[the27guyParticipant]

All,

I’ve never posted a trade idea here, but a few rumors got me thinking and I’m interested to know what you think about this…. I’m not saying that I think this is good/bad for any team in particular, but I think this trade makes sense.

 

Milwaukee gets the #4 pick Dante Exum (from Orlando) and Enes Kanter (from Utah)

Orlando gets the #5 pick Marcus Smart and the #23 (both from Utah)

Utah gets #2 pick either Jabari Parker or Andrew Wiggins from Milwaukee.

 

If you’ve listened to the tweets and the rumors, there has been a lot of talk about Milwaukee having serious interest in Exum at #2. They’re bringing him in for a workout and seem to have been interested from the start. Orlando by all accounts was really dissapointed last year when Marcus Smart decided not to enter the draft, and there have been rumors this year that they still prefer him over Exum.

Meanwhile, in Utah, although there isn’t a lot of real information, it does seem that either Wiggins or Jabari would both fit the big wing position that the team needs so badly, that doesn’t seem to be available at #5.

This trade would allow Milwaukee to get their guy without having to reach for him–instead allowing them to also acquire a piece in Kanter to put between Giannis and Larry Sanders. Orlando gets their guy, and at 23 they would get another very nice piece in this year’s draft. The Jazz use a few of their accumulated assets for the potential Star that they appear to be after.

Thoughts?

 

 

[Makaveli_xParticipant]

 Sounds good to me Idc what none of them teams do as long as it’s helping my sixers get wiggins lol

[Makaveli_xParticipant]

 Sounds good to me Idc what none of them teams do as long as it’s helping my sixers get wiggins lol

[Ebown5Participant]

 I think that the Bucks would probably need more than just Kanter though.  It is certainly a good idea to include Orlando where you give them something to drop one spot, and soften the landing for th Bucks.

 

[Ebown5Participant]

 I think that the Bucks would probably need more than just Kanter though.  It is certainly a good idea to include Orlando where you give them something to drop one spot, and soften the landing for th Bucks.

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Utah would do that, and without a doubt they would take Parker.

Orlando gets pick 23 for moving back from Exum to Smart, that seems possible.

Milwaukee get out of the Big 3, they get a big point guard and also a young, and very strong, center.  Milwaukee might need more, and one part of that is very soon Kanter will want a huge contract.  Orlando, or especially Utah, have the room to take back a bad contract or two from the Bucks.  That could make the trade work even better.

 

 

 

 

[christebasParticipant]

 Parker (a Mormon) in Utah would be like Dorothy and Toto back in Kansas

[christebasParticipant]

 Parker (a Mormon) in Utah would be like Dorothy and Toto back in Kansas

[christebasParticipant]

Jabari Parker, a Mormon, going to Utah would be like Dorothy and Toto back to Kansas

[christebasParticipant]

Jabari Parker, a Mormon, going to Utah would be like Dorothy and Toto back to Kansas

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Utah would do that, and without a doubt they would take Parker.

Orlando gets pick 23 for moving back from Exum to Smart, that seems possible.

Milwaukee get out of the Big 3, they get a big point guard and also a young, and very strong, center.  Milwaukee might need more, and one part of that is very soon Kanter will want a huge contract.  Orlando, or especially Utah, have the room to take back a bad contract or two from the Bucks.  That could make the trade work even better.

 

 

 

 

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 Great trade idea mate, one of the few that hasn’t been drilled into the ground. I like this particularly for Milwaukee as I believe Exum has the chance to be every bit as good as Parker and wiggins and if your Milwaukee you take any extra help at any position

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 Great trade idea mate, one of the few that hasn’t been drilled into the ground. I like this particularly for Milwaukee as I believe Exum has the chance to be every bit as good as Parker and wiggins and if your Milwaukee you take any extra help at any position

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 I would then trade Brandon Knight to the nuggets for their #11 pick and draft Gary Harris if available. 

The nuggets would have a dynamic back court similar to Dallas’ guard situation, the bucks would be way too young at the guard spot but let’s face it they won’t be challenging for supremacy anytime soon and would give bucks fan cause for hope

[ThenilonatorParticipant]

 I would then trade Brandon Knight to the nuggets for their #11 pick and draft Gary Harris if available. 

The nuggets would have a dynamic back court similar to Dallas’ guard situation, the bucks would be way too young at the guard spot but let’s face it they won’t be challenging for supremacy anytime soon and would give bucks fan cause for hope

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Many think Smart is a better fit in Orlando

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Many think Smart is a better fit in Orlando

[juves4783Participant]

i think this would be more believable if milwaukee shed someone from their frontcourt (sanders, henson, zaza, udoh (restricted fa) or ilyasova).

but for the most part, makes sense.  never get that many +’s on a potential trade unless it is reasonable…

 

[juves4783Participant]

i think this would be more believable if milwaukee shed someone from their frontcourt (sanders, henson, zaza, udoh (restricted fa) or ilyasova).

but for the most part, makes sense.  never get that many +’s on a potential trade unless it is reasonable…

 

[machu46Participant]

My only thing is that I think it takes more than #5, #23, and Kanter to jump up to #2.  The price to crack that top 4 in this year’s draft is going to be very steep.

I can see Milwaukee and Orlando making some sort of swap, but I can’t see Utah putting together a package to jump up to #2 that doesn’t include Derrick Favors.

This is pretty well thought out though.  You usually don’t see many solid hypothetical trades on these message boards lol.

[machu46Participant]

My only thing is that I think it takes more than #5, #23, and Kanter to jump up to #2.  The price to crack that top 4 in this year’s draft is going to be very steep.

I can see Milwaukee and Orlando making some sort of swap, but I can’t see Utah putting together a package to jump up to #2 that doesn’t include Derrick Favors.

This is pretty well thought out though.  You usually don’t see many solid hypothetical trades on these message boards lol.

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 #5, #23, and Kanter and taking O.J.Mayo’s contract would work.

[thetrademachineryParticipant]

 #5, #23, and Kanter and taking O.J.Mayo’s contract would work.

[Captain LParticipant]

Very good idea but like many have said it may take more than Kanter and 23, the idea of taking back a bad contract may be what could push something like this thru and Utah has the cap space to do that. Utah would love to get either Parker or Wiggins but I’m not getting my hopes up.

[Captain LParticipant]

Very good idea but like many have said it may take more than Kanter and 23, the idea of taking back a bad contract may be what could push something like this thru and Utah has the cap space to do that. Utah would love to get either Parker or Wiggins but I’m not getting my hopes up.

[machu46Participant]

Yeah, if Milwaukee actually does prefer Exum and Orlando is good with settling for Smart, then I could see taking back Mayo could end up making this deal complete.  If Utah doesn’t take a bad contract back, then I think Milwaukee would demand they get Favors instead of Kanter + 23 (so just to be clear, Milwaukee would then be getting Favors to drop to #4).

[machu46Participant]

Yeah, if Milwaukee actually does prefer Exum and Orlando is good with settling for Smart, then I could see taking back Mayo could end up making this deal complete.  If Utah doesn’t take a bad contract back, then I think Milwaukee would demand they get Favors instead of Kanter + 23 (so just to be clear, Milwaukee would then be getting Favors to drop to #4).

[Andrew1984Participant]

Hypothetically, what if it does go, 1. Embiid, 2. Exum, 3. Wiggins. Does Orlando love Marcus Smart enough to take him over Jabari Parker? If so, Utah’s dream comes true without any wheeling and dealing.

[Andrew1984Participant]

Hypothetically, what if it does go, 1. Embiid, 2. Exum, 3. Wiggins. Does Orlando love Marcus Smart enough to take him over Jabari Parker? If so, Utah’s dream comes true without any wheeling and dealing.

[the27guyParticipant]

 Thanks for the feedback on the trade guys. I appreciate it. 

A couple things though.

1. This is all contingent on what Cleveland does. Jabari seems to be the natural fit in Utah for a lot of reasons, but what if Cleveland takes Jabari? WOuld Utah feel as strong about a chance at Embiid or Wiggins?

2. Those of you who mentioned Utah taking back cash are spot on. They can do that! But….

3. Should they really? They’re giving up an awful lot in this proposed trade. #5, #23, and Enes Kanter is not chopped liver. That’s a serious haul! IF ( and I know this is a HUGE IF) Milwaukee really does prefer Exum, AND Orlando really prefers Marcus Smart over Exum, than this trade works out amazingly for both teams as is because they both acquire serious assets while still getting what they want.

So, there are a lot of "If’s" to deal with, but I think they’re all pretty darn reasonable. Might be something fun to watch for on draft night.

 

[the27guyParticipant]

 Thanks for the feedback on the trade guys. I appreciate it. 

A couple things though.

1. This is all contingent on what Cleveland does. Jabari seems to be the natural fit in Utah for a lot of reasons, but what if Cleveland takes Jabari? WOuld Utah feel as strong about a chance at Embiid or Wiggins?

2. Those of you who mentioned Utah taking back cash are spot on. They can do that! But….

3. Should they really? They’re giving up an awful lot in this proposed trade. #5, #23, and Enes Kanter is not chopped liver. That’s a serious haul! IF ( and I know this is a HUGE IF) Milwaukee really does prefer Exum, AND Orlando really prefers Marcus Smart over Exum, than this trade works out amazingly for both teams as is because they both acquire serious assets while still getting what they want.

So, there are a lot of "If’s" to deal with, but I think they’re all pretty darn reasonable. Might be something fun to watch for on draft night.

 

[stifler101Participant]

I agree with your premise that this trade could be a real possibility, based on what’s been put out there thus far.  And it also makes real bball sense; Parker is one of the most talented players who one can foresee loving playing in Utah for a long time, Exum is dynamic PG with size allowing Knight to slide over to SG w/o worrying about defensive issues, and Smart is the PG of the future that the Magic have liked for 2 years.  But, the reason why thetrademachinery’s trade is better is because of value.  Even if everybody is getting what they really want, the Bucks still need value for the #2 pick in a loaded draft.  I think it should go like this:

Milwaukee gets: 4th pick (from Orlando), 23rd pick (from Utah), Enes Kanter

Utah gets: 2nd pick (from Milwaukee), O.J. Mayo

Orlando gets: 5th pick (from Utah), 35th pick (from Utah)

I think this trade should happen.  Embiid to Cleveland, Parker to Utah, Wiggins to Philly, Exum to Milwaukee, & Smart to Orlando.  Get on the phones GM’s!

[stifler101Participant]

I agree with your premise that this trade could be a real possibility, based on what’s been put out there thus far.  And it also makes real bball sense; Parker is one of the most talented players who one can foresee loving playing in Utah for a long time, Exum is dynamic PG with size allowing Knight to slide over to SG w/o worrying about defensive issues, and Smart is the PG of the future that the Magic have liked for 2 years.  But, the reason why thetrademachinery’s trade is better is because of value.  Even if everybody is getting what they really want, the Bucks still need value for the #2 pick in a loaded draft.  I think it should go like this:

Milwaukee gets: 4th pick (from Orlando), 23rd pick (from Utah), Enes Kanter

Utah gets: 2nd pick (from Milwaukee), O.J. Mayo

Orlando gets: 5th pick (from Utah), 35th pick (from Utah)

I think this trade should happen.  Embiid to Cleveland, Parker to Utah, Wiggins to Philly, Exum to Milwaukee, & Smart to Orlando.  Get on the phones GM’s!

[jtthebrickParticipant]

 If the premise of this trade is correct, and that Milwaukee values Exum as much as Parker or Embiid, then that means that they are all on their same draft tier.  If you’re trading down but into the same tier, you’re not really losing ANY value with your pick. So getting a great young prospect like Kanter would be plenty of value.  

 I think you’re just undervaluing Kanter here.  Also the #23 pick has the same value as a late lottery pick most years.  The depth of this draft isn’t only at the top.

[jtthebrickParticipant]

 If the premise of this trade is correct, and that Milwaukee values Exum as much as Parker or Embiid, then that means that they are all on their same draft tier.  If you’re trading down but into the same tier, you’re not really losing ANY value with your pick. So getting a great young prospect like Kanter would be plenty of value.  

 I think you’re just undervaluing Kanter here.  Also the #23 pick has the same value as a late lottery pick most years.  The depth of this draft isn’t only at the top.

[stifler101Participant]

respectfully, i feel like you’re operating under the assumption that every team’s draft board/tiers are the same…news flash, they’re not.  there’s 30 different front offices who value different prospects differently based on many factors.  hence, the whole point of this thread’ proposed trades.  some do agree that the top tier includes embiid, wiggins, parker, & exum as all franchise player.  but some think exum’s too much of a risk because they haven’t seen enough of him in games against tough competition, and have the top tier as the other 3.  hell, some even think if embiid’s healthy, he’s so good that he’s in a top tier all by himself!

the point is, if you can get the player you want or your team and trade down to get more value on top of it, you do it.  there are costs moving up in the draft, and there are benefits in moving down.  i agree a guy like TJ Warren or Payne that you could get at #23 this year makes that pick worth much more than in other drafts, but it’s what the Jazz have to offer. think about their team.  they’re young, with little veteran leadership, and need scoring badly…they don’t need 3 rookies, they need a superstar who woul like to play there…like Jabari.  i also don’t think i’m undervaluing Kanter at all.  the guy hasn’t really improved since he came into the league. whether that’s more a product of corbin’s coaching and/or past years’ frontcourt congestion (Big Al & Millsap along with Favors) remains to be seen, but to me he doesn’t have a future with the Jazz…they extended Favors, they want to extend Hayward, I doubt they’re going to invest in Kanter.

that’ my 2 cents.

[stifler101Participant]

respectfully, i feel like you’re operating under the assumption that every team’s draft board/tiers are the same…news flash, they’re not.  there’s 30 different front offices who value different prospects differently based on many factors.  hence, the whole point of this thread’ proposed trades.  some do agree that the top tier includes embiid, wiggins, parker, & exum as all franchise player.  but some think exum’s too much of a risk because they haven’t seen enough of him in games against tough competition, and have the top tier as the other 3.  hell, some even think if embiid’s healthy, he’s so good that he’s in a top tier all by himself!

the point is, if you can get the player you want or your team and trade down to get more value on top of it, you do it.  there are costs moving up in the draft, and there are benefits in moving down.  i agree a guy like TJ Warren or Payne that you could get at #23 this year makes that pick worth much more than in other drafts, but it’s what the Jazz have to offer. think about their team.  they’re young, with little veteran leadership, and need scoring badly…they don’t need 3 rookies, they need a superstar who woul like to play there…like Jabari.  i also don’t think i’m undervaluing Kanter at all.  the guy hasn’t really improved since he came into the league. whether that’s more a product of corbin’s coaching and/or past years’ frontcourt congestion (Big Al & Millsap along with Favors) remains to be seen, but to me he doesn’t have a future with the Jazz…they extended Favors, they want to extend Hayward, I doubt they’re going to invest in Kanter.

that’ my 2 cents.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I have never saw a trade idea get so many +1s. I could definitely see all of those scenerios playing out like that though. 

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 He’s found his calling.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 He’s found his calling.

[TyroberParticipant]

 I have never saw a trade idea get so many +1s. I could definitely see all of those scenerios playing out like that though. 

[jtthebrickParticipant]

I’ve been wondering if Utah might just do a straight trade with Orlando with #4 for #5 and #23.  Utah takes Exum and Orlando takes Smart.  That would make sense considering that Utah doesn’t like Smart, and Orlando seems to value Smart about the same as Exum.

The above trade idea does make sense though because it enables Utah to also give up Kanter in order to get Jabari Parker or Wiggins, who I’m sure they both covet more.

I disagree with those that say it would take more than #5, #23, and Kanter to trade up to #2.  That is a steep price.  I get it that this is a strong draft and so the prices will be higher, but you also have to consider that #23 in this draft would be the quality of a late lottery pick most years. 

Also consider that Kanter is still a great young prospect that is a few years further along than a young rookie would be.   Most of the teams don’t want to rebuild for 3 more years, and Kanter could help speed up that process and fit right into any existing young core.

[jtthebrickParticipant]

I’ve been wondering if Utah might just do a straight trade with Orlando with #4 for #5 and #23.  Utah takes Exum and Orlando takes Smart.  That would make sense considering that Utah doesn’t like Smart, and Orlando seems to value Smart about the same as Exum.

The above trade idea does make sense though because it enables Utah to also give up Kanter in order to get Jabari Parker or Wiggins, who I’m sure they both covet more.

I disagree with those that say it would take more than #5, #23, and Kanter to trade up to #2.  That is a steep price.  I get it that this is a strong draft and so the prices will be higher, but you also have to consider that #23 in this draft would be the quality of a late lottery pick most years. 

Also consider that Kanter is still a great young prospect that is a few years further along than a young rookie would be.   Most of the teams don’t want to rebuild for 3 more years, and Kanter could help speed up that process and fit right into any existing young core.

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

I just don’t think in this scenario they get the most of what they could get out of this.  Assuming they like Smart, they could trade down to 6 or 7 and probably still get him and perhaps even get a lot more value.  The two proposals here are for them (in addition to the teams early lotto pick) Utah’s 23 or their #35.  Why in the heck would Orlando do that?  Seems like they could get more from LA or Boston.  If I’m Orlando, I’d want more than that even if I think Smart is a better fit for me than Exum.

 

Personally I’d love for this to happen as a Jazz fan.  Just losing Kanter and my picks to get Parker or Wiggins. Gosh that would be awesome.  But if I feel that way, why would Orlando want to give up on that?  I just don’t understand…  What am I missing?

 

 

[jazznationpresidentParticipant]

I just don’t think in this scenario they get the most of what they could get out of this.  Assuming they like Smart, they could trade down to 6 or 7 and probably still get him and perhaps even get a lot more value.  The two proposals here are for them (in addition to the teams early lotto pick) Utah’s 23 or their #35.  Why in the heck would Orlando do that?  Seems like they could get more from LA or Boston.  If I’m Orlando, I’d want more than that even if I think Smart is a better fit for me than Exum.

 

Personally I’d love for this to happen as a Jazz fan.  Just losing Kanter and my picks to get Parker or Wiggins. Gosh that would be awesome.  But if I feel that way, why would Orlando want to give up on that?  I just don’t understand…  What am I missing?

 

 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 LA doesn’t have anything. Boston does have the #17 which would beat out Utah’s 23rd. However, they run the risk that Utah passes on Smart, which would be dangerous and potentially  leaves them without a point guard of the future. The field from 10-23 looks pretty blurred, I don’t think I risk that if i’m Orlando.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 LA doesn’t have anything. Boston does have the #17 which would beat out Utah’s 23rd. However, they run the risk that Utah passes on Smart, which would be dangerous and potentially  leaves them without a point guard of the future. The field from 10-23 looks pretty blurred, I don’t think I risk that if i’m Orlando.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 I could see something like this happening. Milwaukee has Giannis as their future SF so that would mean a position conflict with Parker and Wiggins. Parker could play PF, but would get killed in the post by the legit 260 lb PFs like Griffin, Aldridge, Love, etc. Wiggins could slide to SG, but doesn’t really project to have the elite 3 point shooting you ideally should have there.

Overall the best trade proposal I’ve read regarding the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

    

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 I could see something like this happening. Milwaukee has Giannis as their future SF so that would mean a position conflict with Parker and Wiggins. Parker could play PF, but would get killed in the post by the legit 260 lb PFs like Griffin, Aldridge, Love, etc. Wiggins could slide to SG, but doesn’t really project to have the elite 3 point shooting you ideally should have there.

Overall the best trade proposal I’ve read regarding the draft.

 

 

 

 

 

 

    

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