[powerguard97Participant]

1. He is not ready for NBA basketball…he must first win at least a national championship before leaving…point guards need to adapt the Isaih Thomas method then the Allen Iverson Method 14 yEARS IN THE LEAGUE no ring…win a national championship before you go to the NBA, then win 2 tittles.

2. He cant shoot! none of Calipari’s point guards can shoot. Derrick Rose, Dewaun Wagner,…great athletes that cannot shoot..jump out the gym, but in the NBA all guards must shoot.

3. Derrick Favors is better!!!!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

This is a bold post but IMO, Wall is still the number 1 pick because of what it means for a team to have a great PG. Im not saying one way or another whether or not he will be but you cant deny the potential. Favors is pretty good also.

[powerguard97Participant]

John Wall is very athletic…but i feel i have seen him before…aka Derrick Rose…
This is an off year for Point Guards in the draft, since last year we saw Rubbio and Flynn, Jennings, Curry go first round last year. The closest to Wall is Warren in Oklahoma.

[JNixonParticipant]

I think the only way Wall doesn’t go 1st overall is if a lotto team like Utah (who has the Knicks pick) goes 1st, as they already have one of the best PG’s in basketball on there team. But even still, they can take him and trade the pick to fill a void on their team. I don’t see him getting pass 1st though, even as there are teams that don’t need PG’s in the projected top half of the lotto.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

That is why someone will grab him this year. Because he is rare. You said something about Rose but that hurt your argument. Rose was the number 1 pick for a reason. Him being just like Rose means he should be the first pick also.

[powerguard97Participant]

but he cant shoot!!!!! a number onbe pick should be the best player, with the most Complete package….not jus the most athletic…but the most complete package….thats Favors!

[powerguard97Participant]

my top three goes as such

1. Favors- Georgia Tech…..Amare Stoutemire agression, Chris Bosh game.
2. John Wall- Kentucky…..Derrick Rose/ Russel Westbrook
3. Wesley Johnson…depending on the Big East Tournement/ NCAA Tourney.

[WhyParticipant]

Favors can’t shoot too well either. And to be honest, I’ve said it in other threads, John Wall is a better shooter at this stage of his career than Rose was. I’ve watched every televised UK game (I think 3 or 4?) and John Wall seems to have a pretty good consistent shot within 15-16 feet. He’s only a freshman, like Favors, give him a chance.

Also, shooting matters a lot but when you can get to the rack like Johnny can, we can forgive some things right ; )

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

The most complete package??? I thought he had to be the most NBA ready. I didnt know he had to be able to do it all. I mean what about Oden, Rose, Bargnani, Bogut, Howard. Those 5 guys are the first picks in the 5 previous drafts. None of them were the total package. They were simply the most NBA ready or showed the most potential. They all had flaws in their games.

[powerguard97Participant]

Im not saying Wall is a bad player every player has flaws…he just not a number one pick in my eyes. Favors is 6’10 250 he has the NBA Body all ready…..he will average a double for a NBA team night in and night out…i dont think Wall can do that for an NBA team..thats why Favors should be number one cant lose with both but i think Favors should be the easy number one pick

[WhyParticipant]

Wow, you’re making very little sense. Here…

1st, John Wall also has an NBA ready body…6 4′ 190 or something, NBA ready for sure. Favors isn’t even averaging A double double in college what makes you think he’ll do it in the pros?

By your logic Hasheem Thabeet should be averaging like 15 and 15 simply because hes 7′ 2 and weights like 280…Makes zero sense.

Favors is arguably less polished than Wall

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Lets look at the pros and cons for a team drafting Favors vs Wall.

What is Favors good at??
Rebounding
Jumping
Average defender in college.
Average size for PF.

What is favors bad at??
Defense can use some work or it wont translate.
Cant shoot.
Average handle.
Really no post moves.

What is Wall good at??
Seeing the floor
Running the floor
Jumping
Passing
Great size for PG.
Good handle

What is Wall bad at??
Average shooter.
Needs work on D.
Ummmmm……

[powerguard97Participant]

Oden- 7’1 post a beast when healthy!

Rose- led his team to the NCAA Championship….can Wall do the same as freshman?????? I say NO! good cast in Kentucky but not this season.

Bargnani…7 footer who can shoot the three…..aka the next Dirk..have to go number one pick

Bogut- Absolute flop! should have never went before Derron Williams, and Chris Paul…..but then again the post is a glory position in the NBA.

Howard- Rare Tallent..unbelievable

IF WALL GOES TO THE NBA HE SHOULD GO WITH A NCAA TITLE! PERIOD THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO SOLIDIFY HIM AS THE NUMBER 1 PICK IN MY BOOK!

LIKE I SAID I DONT WANT AN IVERSON TYPE PLAYER….GIVE ME AN ISIAH THOMAS TYPE PLAYER, OR EVEN MORE RECENT CARMELLO ANTHONY..WIN ME A COLLEGE TITLE THEN GET ME AN NBA TITLE.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Those are your three reasons? Saying that Allen Iverson not winning a championship in college is the reason he did not win one in the NBA, saying that because he plays for a coach that he can not shoot and saying that another player is better without stating any reason why so since his performance has yet to do so? I’m sold! On a serious note, extremely poor argument so far. You are comparing him to Derrick Rose like it is a bad thing? Really? I mean, Chicago may have problems, but picking Michael Beasley sure as heck would not have been the answer. Also, the best center in the draft, that guy Lopez, on the worst team in the league right now. Oh, and Kevin Love, another big the Bulls could use, also on a bottom feeder. I think that kid Rose played like a man in the play-offs and he won the Rookie of the Year while looking as if he could be a top PG in the league. DaJuan Wagner could not shoot? I beg to differ, maybe not 3 point range, but Juanny had a J, he just had numerous injuries and did not have the athleticism of either Rose nor Wall. Now, I do understand that playing for one year in college usually means you take some time before you adjust to the NBA level of game, but not everyone is Isiah Thomas man. I mean, Chris Paul did not win a title, did he make a mistake? What about those people who constantly talk about Milwaukee/Atlanta passing up a player who is now considered the best PG in the league, are they idiots too (well, maybe, but that is due to their inability to get past the fact that they didn’t do it)? Those guys, Steve Nash, Deron Williams, Devin Harris, Jason Kidd, heck Tony Parker, they never won a championship in college. But that Parker dude, he is from France and has won 3 in the NBA, so every french PG must be amazing! I know I am laying it on thick, but honestly, am not sold on the argument so far. John Wall has looked resoundingly solid and seems to have what it takes to be an NBA star. I am not at all saying Favors does not, but he has a longer way to go than Wall I believe. I think it is smart that Derrick Favors went to a conference like the ACC to play against top flight bigs, but John Wall is also in the SEC, and he has played really well at every opportunity thus far. As far as his shot, his mechanics do not at all seem horrible, and I am sure like most PG’s, he will improve with time. Would it be nice if he won a championship by maybe staying another year or two? Of course, but in this current state of the game, it is not going to happen. Derrick Favors sure as hell won’t stick around the 8 years they may need to win one at G-Tech (win Derrick finally gets a mid-range game to compliment his freakish athleticism and strength), and I am sure he will do fine for himself as well. As of right now, give me some better reasons for John Wall not being the first pick in this draft, make them relevant to this draft and if you are saying a player is better than John Wall in this draft, you have to give some kind of explaination. I am sure I am not the only one who would need it.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

You meant to say three reasons why I know nothing about basketball…..

[JNixonParticipant]

Just thought I’d point it out: Derrick Favors goes about 6’9″ 225. Not 6’10 250. I love Favors game, but I just dont see him as someone that’s better than Wall right now

[powerguard97Participant]

Wall has serious game im not denying that…he just doesnt have the first round, number one pick game…..unless he can win a title..period…Favors is NBA ready…more so then Wall. i believe Favors has size, athletisism, he is more of a helpside defender, but he is young he will grow to be at least 6’11 when its all said and done…

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

As soon as i saw it , i knew i was giving it a minus 1. The points make me want 2 give it a minus 2

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Also, Jayshaun Agosto is young and may grow to be 7’6. Seriously man? Did you mean to say Derrick Favors is a better help side defender? Homie, you need to give us sentences why. Is Derrick Favors a PF or a C too you? Does he change a franchise? Is every team better off drafting Favors? If you want people to take you seriously, which for some reason I do, ask these questions in your head and answer them in your post. So far, just looking ridiculous. Which trust me, for not wanting to take a PG with the number one pick in the draft, you have a lot of fuel, but you still have managed to make yourself look ridiculous. How many rings did Melo win in the NBA? Did Kobe win a state title at Lower Merion? Was Shaq an NCAA champion? Or do just point guards have to do it to prove themselves too you? If so, damn you have high standards.

[JNixonParticipant]

Who’s to know that he gets 2 inches of height? That very hypothetical….I think Wall is rawer than Favors, but he’s so athletic and long that it tends to not matter. I also think that with time, Wall can better one of the best players in basketball, even better than Favors. A sign of a special player is them being super good even when they have a whole lot of raw potential, and are just scratching the surface of what they can be. Wall is less NBA ready than Favors, yet he is more productive and effective in games. That shows just how good he can be…

[WhyParticipant]

MikeyVthedon do you have an ESPN account do you ever post on the ESPN NBA Fantasy Basketball Boards? Random question I know

[QHaynes20]

The Only Players I can see Upseatting John Wall for that #1 pick are:

Greg Monroe & Xaiver Henry and even then- It’s not gonna happen.

I feel Wall will be the next #1 pick unless some explodes and shocks the world.

For Derrick Favors wants to be the 1st overall pick he must

Play the SF position
Work on that D
learn to Bang down low

[Michael.S.Participant]

The guy that made this post=clueless.

[JNixonParticipant]

I thought Evan Turner had the best chance outside of Wall and Favors, but he’d be a super long shot as well

[powerguard97Participant]

none of those players are number one picks!!!!!! stick to the subject…I like Wall he is just not ready for the NBA as a number one pick…i dont think he will live up to the hype!….im talking number one pick!!!! not that he isnt ready for the NBA……JOHN WALL IS NOT A NUMBER ONE PICK!!!!!!!!! Allen Iverson has game no doubt..but he has how many championships????? Zero

Number one picks
96- Allen Iverson…..MVP….NBA Finals…All Star Game MVP…lol
97- Tim Duncan 4 Championships…..PF
98- Michael Olowakandi—its the Clippers……..PF
99- Elton Brand—–Flop!……………PF
00 – Kenyon Martin—-PF
01- Kwame Brown….PF
02- Yao Ming…….C
03- The King…Lebron James….PG, SG,SF,PF…NBA Finals
04- Dwight Howard…..C….NBA Finals
05- Andrew Bogut- C…Flop!
06- Bargnani…next Dirk!…..C
07- Greg Oden…..Monster when he finally desides to where a knee brace
08 – Derrick Rose…….led team to NCAA Championship….PG
09- Blake Griffin….PF.

See a trend? the NBA doesnt want to have some 6’4 PG as a number one pick!!!!! AND I DONT WANT TO SEE IT! FAVORS IS THE MOST NBA READY AND WILL BE A NUMBER ONE PICK!! yeah not everyone is Isaih Thomas but John Wall obviously has game…I just want to see a 6’4 185lb point guard win a championship before he has to go up against bigger, stronger, faster point guards in the league. He needs to prove himself….when u draft a Center or Power forward as the NBA has did for 12 of the last 13 number one picks u have a 16 percent chance of getting to the finals. And a 33 percent chance at winning THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. Even Isaih Thomas didnt go number one in the 1981…he went number two behind Mark Aguire. Allen Iverson, Derrick Rose and John Lucas since 1976 are the only Pointguards taken with the number one overall pick since 1976……..result…0 rings! 2 NBA Finals appearences ( Iverson 2001, Lucas in 1986 w Rockets) so its a bad decision anyway you look at it……Besides Magic Johnson who was a 6’10 PG..taking a little guy number one is a joke!!!!!!

Favors should be the number one pick! unless you take Wall he might win you a FIBA Championship if you draft him number one…..

[QHaynes20]

My Question is:

Who wins rings? The Answer: Big Men

With that being said- I want John Wall lol

[WhyParticipant]

This is just silly…

“NBA doesnt want to have some 6’4 PG as a number one pick!!!!! AND I DONT WANT TO SEE IT!”

Actually had me laughing. You’re weird as hell.

Your arguments are HORRIBLE. Nothing you say correlates to John Wall and his actual talent in the upcoming draft class.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Hey guy, stop it. You make little to no sense.

So Far I have learned that

The NBA doesn’t want a 6’4 PG.
You can’t win in the NBA unless you win a national championship.
If your athletic you can’t shoot.
Magic Johnson was 6’10.
And Wall hasn’tlived up to the hype.

Keep it coming!!!

[QHaynes20]

…Magic was 6-9

But I will say this: John Wall will need to cut down the turnovers. I also want to see him in the Tourney when it becomes more a zone game and he’s force to shoot a tad more jumpers.

[powerguard97Participant]

Give me 4 good John Calipari coached Point Guards????? or better yet give me 3 good John Calipari players in the league?

anybody!!!!!????

[QHaynes20]

Tyreke Evans, Derrick Rose

but he did have

DeJuan Wagner, Antonio Burke, Willie Kemp, Darius Washington

so lets get off the Coach Cal has good PG thing…he has not.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Agreed, I don’t know how effective a zone D would be………..

[powerguard97Participant]

The whole argument is why John Wall should not be a number one pick…i havent been convinced at all…nobody has any facts or anything to say to back up John Wall being a number one pick!!!!!!!!!!

ALL YOU PEOPLE SPEAK ABOUT IS SPORTCENTER HYPE!!!!!!!!!!!! DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE!

[Michael.S.Participant]

Ok, but what does anyone else have to do with J.O.H.N. W.A.L.L.?

[Michael.S.Participant]

Wanna be convinced????????Huh?

How about watching a damn game If you have you wouldn’t be this uneducated.

[WhyParticipant]

You’re definitely just trying to start shit

I said s’hit

[QHaynes20]

Mikenike…Hear me out.

I agree he has looked impressive BUT I want to see him again a team like Kansas, Syracuse or even Michigan State.

I think he looked very amazing but we have to take into account

Kemba Walker- 5-11, 2011 prospect

Larry Drew II- His 7th career start

I wanna see him against some experience

[Michael.S.Participant]

I don’t think its too early…………..

He has far surpassed the hype and will continue to. He is even clutch, very very very clutch,

[QHaynes20]

Kansas vs Kentucky…who wins that game?

[WhyParticipant]

Yea QHaynes and who’s Kansas point guard? A 5 11′ guy who is a vet in college just like Walker… UK has played competition. And you know it’s not just 1 on 1 match-up’s…Every team collapses on Wall when he drives, hes the focal point of the offense. Yea, it won’t hurt for him to play MORE good competition but to say he needs “better competition” makes you sound stupid… Who’s Syracuse’s point guard? Is he better than Kemba Walker? No. And State’s point guard Lucas isn’t as good as Walker, not in terms of NBA ability…So I don’t see your point really at all

[powerguard97Participant]

if John Wall beating up on

Favors is averaging 13points 8 rebounds and 2 blocks in 24 minutes a game!!!!!!! double figures every game……number one pick numbers! at 6’10 250!!!

[QHaynes20]

My point is more experienced teams my man.

North Carolina lost 4 of it’s 5 starters
UConn lost 3 of it’s 5 starters

I wanna see him play against more Experienced teams. Teams who gelled for longer my man. That’s all.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

To answer your question, I do have an ESPN account, but this is the only forum I post on. But, I would like to meet a person who writes posts like I do :). They could know their stuff. This powerguard guy obviously is just going against logic with not only using precedent with regards to a player who very few people have seen the likes of in a draft that seems to not really have very many options when it comes to have a potential franchise player. When it comes to winning championships, it requires big men, but at the same time, it requires a team with chemistry and pretty much always a focal point. I mean, both eras of Detroit teams had bigs that could rebound, play defense and knock down the occasional shot, but the focal point was Dumars/Thomas and Hamilton/Billups respectively. Rodman and Ben Wallace grabbed the boards and brought the defensive intensity and they both had solid benches. Sensing a trend here powerguard? A championship team is not built on one player, and players who lead teams to championships in college do not necessarily translate to NBA rings. Yes, it has been done many a time, particularily in the time where big men dominated college basketball, but in the modern era, it is increasingly difficult to do. Derrick Rose made it to the championship, yet I have a feeling that John Wall doing the same would not impress this guy? Is he a Yellow Jacket fan or Derrick Favors cousin? Man, we all get that it is more difficult to lead a team to a championship as a 1 than a 5, but a championship 5 does not come along to often. Not in this draft at least, unless Donatas turns into Sabonis.

[powerguard97Participant]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE! JOHN WALL IS NOT A NUNBER ONE PICK!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD A NUMBER 2…YES BUT NOT A NUMBER ONE PICK IS ALL IM SAYING

[Michael.S.Participant]

Kemba Walker is a lottery pick right now.(just wanted to throw that out there.) I think Walker is probably the most competition Wall will ever get at the college level right now, and he(Wall) went bananas.

[QHaynes20]

Kemba Walker is a lottery pick right now

NOT IN THE 2010 DRAFT HE IS NOT

[Michael.S.Participant]

Why not?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

you’re acting like john wall has had a chance at winning the national title and not done it. every big game so far he’s been dominant. it’s ridiculous to think he couldnt possibly be the number one pick. I agree teams should consider derrick favors- if he comes out. but that definitely doesn’t mean a team shouldn’t also take a look at wall. the guy looks as good as advertised so far

[QHaynes20]

He has not impressed many people based on updated mocks.

players like Wes Johnson, Xavier Henry, Arnett Moultrie, Stanley Robinson and Jan Vessley have stepped it up.

Also, not alot of demand for PG’s

[Michael.S.Participant]

What do mocks have to do with anything?

Your right about the demand, but I feel he is a lottery talent.

[QHaynes20]

he has lotto potential. Will agree with you there

I don’t see a team looking at adding a PG as a main need in this draft IMO

[powerguard97Participant]

QHAYNES20…MAKES A GOOD POINT!

I am not derrick favors cousin…i am a die hard Detroit Piston Fan! so i know something about good basketball. It does take a team effort to win. Unfortunately this doesnt look good for John Wall as a number one pick!!!!!

key matchups for each John Wall and Derrick Favors:

Kentucky vs. Vandy Jan. 30….6’7 Guard Jeffery Taylor
Kentucky vs. Mississippi……Feb. 2….6’5 Guard Terrico White

Georgia Tech vs. North Carolina..Jan 16…..6’10 Ed Davis and 6’10 Jon Henson
Georgia Tech vs. Duke….Jan. 9…this will be his coming out game!!!!!!!!!!!!! for the number 1 pick!!!!!

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Wall has played very well and is probably the best choice for the #1 pick at this point, BUT… I want to see more from him. I want to see if he can play a half court game consistently. Right now I feel like he only knows how to play at one speed. I want to see him focus on on the ball defense, instead of always gambling in the passing lanes. I want to see a consistent jump shot. Like QHaynes20… I want to see him vs a GREAT team.

I think the top pick is his to lose. The demand for point guard is low right now in the NBA… I want to see if Wall can make himself one of those players you HAVE to pick regardless of who you have on your team at his position.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is that the Pistons would not draft John Wall number 1. That is true, they would most likely trade it or take Favors or Motiejunas, who I am sure since he is from Europe you see as Darko 2.0. Your claims for Wall are totally bogus though. The first pick in the draft is the player who will help out your team the most and usually the player thought to possess the highest ceiling of potential and possible skill set in the draft. John Wall so far seems to have it while Derrick Favors has yet to prove himself. Even in high school, I saw Favors play and get pretty much owned in the post by DeMarcus Cousins. Granted he showed a number of ways to score himself, but I do not see Derrick Favors as this franchise type player that John Wall could possibly be, even though he is after all a PG. John Wall will make his team a lot better, has the height to possibly slide to the 2 and make things very dangerous and seems to have an edge to him that shows he can be an extremely high level pro. Yes, this is early on his college career, but so far, he is sure as hell impressing me, and most others a lot more than Derrick Favors, who is on a somewhat disappointing G-Tech team that has its share of pro prospects (Gani Lawal, Ishmael Smith). Yes, John Wall is on a better team, but he is leading that team and has looked good doing it. If Favors can come close to doing that, which he has not, than maybe he indeed will be the first pick in the draft. Right now, saying that a guy looks like a first pick who won rookie of the year last year in a stacked draft class and saying a 6’4 PG SHOULD NOT BE THE FIRST PICK, looks really stupid.

[Michael.S.Participant]

You know, mikeyV, you don’t have to argue with him. He is clearly making zero sense and is obviously wrongo.

I just don’tunderstand, how people can continue to look past Wall’s obvious star power talent, and come back to he needs tougher comp. He wil be dynomite at any level. His potential is hard to turn down too.

[powerguard97Participant]

mikenike doesnt know basketball!!!! he jus sees a 6’4 guard that can jump and who everyone likes so he goes with it… John Wall has star tallent..idiot…he is jus not a number one pick…..idiot….back to the people that know basketball and the draft…..we have seen a John Wall type before…..besides Derrick Rose…..remember Steve Francis?…same size, same game..same hype….he panned out to about little or next to nothing..6’4 point guards with athletism does not appeal to me as a number one pick…you mean to tell me with the number one pick in the draft you will take John Wall? history is not on your side. a……b.If John Wall can win the NCAA tourney is the only way he will be a number one pick….he will go anywhere from 2 to 5 and will be traded…..

Derrick Favors is the way to go…i cant wait to say i told you so!

[NYK2010Participant]

Rather take the opinion of scouts some reactions of scouts at the game last night.
He’s a 6’4 Lebron James, he’ll be better than recent picks Rose and Durant easy.
He’ll be in Wade and Mello’s league.

High praise from scouts and also Pat Riley.

[powerguard97Participant]

Dont trust scouts cause they go of potential
Just like Joe Smith is a number one pick over Kevin Garnett….
jus like Michael Olowakandi went over Vince Carter, Paul Pierce and Dirk Nowitski……dont trust scouts…trust your own eyes….we have all seen enough basketball to be scouts…

Is there a team in the NBA that needs John Wall???????????

[McWinningParticipant]

i probably shouldnt trust my eyes because all i can see is him scoring 25 points and 6 steals against a very good uconn team.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

just because steve francis did not “make it” (although, who are we kidding, steve francis definitely “made it,” just like stephon marbury “made it” ) does NOT mean that john wall can’t be the next great PG. steve francis and marbury had the ability to become two of the better players in the league. just like john wall has that ability. saying he won’t be great because francis wasn’t great by your standards is dumb.

[powerguard97Participant]

he played very well against a 5’11 point guard (Kemba Walker)……Thats great..so we know that he could dominate a point guard the size of Carlos Arroyo….not impressed…but he did play well.

[McWinningParticipant]

lol yah Walker is small but hes super quick and a great defender i mean cmon you dont have to win a title to be number one what number one picks hve? Oden no Griffin no Bogut no Lebron no who has?

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Carlos Arroyo is 6’2. He is just slightly smaller than Wall.

[powerguard97Participant]

Once again im not doubting John Walls talent!!!!!!! the best player in college basketball hands down right now….he jus is not worth being the number one overall pick…im sure he will have a good career i hope he does….JOHN WALL IS NO Number ONE PICK…i feel like we have seen his game many times before.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Yea. We have seen his game. We saw it in Rose, who went number one. We saw it in Tyreke and if the draft was redone, he would challenge Griffin for the number one pick. Come one man, why are you so against him. Do you know Favors or something?? Favors is good an all but come one.

[McWinningParticipant]

lol you say hes gonna have a good career but not number one pick worthy how good do you think he will be?

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

quincey? Is that you?

[powerguard97Participant]

MY BAD A WILL BYNUM SZE POINT GUARD.

[JNixonParticipant]

LOL @ Orange Juice Jones

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

I honestly thought it was him. He has quincey’s stubbornness….. and his nose.

[powerguard97Participant]

JOHN WILL WILL HAVE A GOOD CAREER DEPENDING ON WHERE HE GOES IN THE DRAFT…If he goes number one, he will not have a very productive career……2 on down he will have a very fine career. Im not against John Wall skills he has not shown that he is a number one pick…..I think he will be another Steve Francis.

[Michael.S.Participant]

“mikenike doesnt know basketball!!!! he jus sees a 6’4 guard that can jump and who everyone likes so he goes with it”

YOU my friend don’t know basketball, your logic is stupid.

ME jumping on the bandwagon??? Dummy, ive been saying that he is going to be good since the summer, ask anyone here.

[Michael.S.Participant]

HE A MORON!

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Is this getting anywhere?? I mean he doesnt care about how much evidence is thrown his way he just doesnt care. He is stubborn. Nah. This is a ridiculous topic.

[NYK2010Participant]

Imagine your a GM and you pass on Wall and he turns out to be a great player how stupid do you look with all the hype.
Whats interesting to see what these teams that have pretty good pg’s would do if they land the 1st pick in the draft.

[Forte IVParticipant]

I didnt think one person could get so much negative rep in just one topic lol

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

gary parrish, not that i always like what he writes:

” Consider that Wall has played eight games and scored key points in the final minute to help win four of them. Some great college players will go entire careers without doing that. But Wall has already hit a game-winning jumper to beat Miami of Ohio, hit a pull-up jumper followed by free throws with 0.5 seconds remaining to force overtime in an eventual victory against Stanford, made two free throws with 4.3 seconds remaining to secure a win over North Carolina, and converted an I-can’t-believe-he-just-made-that three-point play with 30.8 seconds remaining to beat UConn.

If it sounds amazing, that’s because it is amazing.

If he sounds awesome, that’s because he is awesome.

“It’s just like I said of John Wall when I saw him play in high school; I said he’s at least as good as Derrick Rose,” UConn coach Jim Calhoun said. “Wall is all of that. Whatever that is, he’s all of that.”

And more, really.

Calipari won’t come right out and say it, but trust me when I tell you the UK staff believes Wall is better than Rose, i.e., the first pick of the 2008 NBA Draft and reigning NBA Rookie of the Year. Wall is bigger and stronger, and just as fast (if not faster). He’s more assertive, a better leader, and 10 times as good in clutch situations. That’s why regardless of whether you have Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rose or some other point guard you love, if you’re a general manager with the top pick in June’s NBA Draft you had better take Wall and just figure it out.””

he won’t have a productive career if he goes number one, but he will if he goes 2 on down…. now you’re just being stubborn

[OrangeJuiceJonesParticipant]

Enough, quincey! If John Wall hasn’t shown that he isn’t the number one pick, then who has? Derrick Favors, with his 6’8 frame and lack of perimeter skills AND post moves? This isn’t even close to “Beasley vs. Rose,” because Favors doesn’t have the skill set that Beasley had during the same stages of their careers. John Wall’s only two gaping weaknesses at this point are his outside shot (which has already shown improvement) and his ability to set up the offense in the half court. Most of the NBA’s best players weren’t good shooters when they came in the league, and I don’t expect a 19/20 year old to be a John Stockton type in the half court setting.

BTW, that wasn’t just any 5’11 point guard. That was Kemba Walker, quite possibly the best player under 6’0 in the NATION, and a future 1st round pick. He’s one of the few people who could actually stay in front of Wall consistently. You act like he was being guarded against some random guy from Southeast Montana A&M Tech.I’m beginning to think you’re just another troll trying to do nothing more than just illicit responses, and I have nothing more to say to you. Good day to you, sir.

[WhyParticipant]

Whyyyy are we still entertaining this idiot.

[powerguard97Participant]

I thougth this website had knowledge im dissappointed to have so many people who believes that this 6’4 SEC PG should be the number one pick in the draft!?!?!?

YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS!!!!! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASKETBALL OR THE DRAFT FOR THAT MANNER…ALL U IDIOTS WATCH AND LEARN DERRICK FAVORS IS THE FUTURE NUMBER ONE PICK!

This is unbelievable that the top PF in the ACC has nothing on a SEC PG?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? WOW

Im glad that none of you are GM’s….your Teams would be awful.

Orange Juice Jones

Kemba Walker right now is thr first round pick in the NBDL!…is everyone here from Kentucky??????

[NYK2010Participant]

You might trade Paul but only because he has a big contract since he’s already proven to be great and Wall has to do it on the pro level. Most likely only Utah would be facing this potential issue but I don’t see them landing the top pick unless its pure luck as the the Knicks will probably win there fair share of games.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

Dang. Can I ask you a question?? How old are you and what do you do for a living??

[powerguard97Participant]

25 work as a sales rep.

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

So what qualifies you over anyone else? I mean you come in here acting like you are some hotshot with a gun talking like you have some sort of experience with the NBA. I am trying to be civil about this, unlike you. I just have one question for ya. Why do you come off like an arrogant a’s’s hole if you really dont have any credibility??

[powerguard97Participant]

Dont get offended its jus my thoughts right or wrong…the rest of your buddies got mad and stop replying…..Everyone want this kid to suceed…Im one of them…yet he is not a number one pick…that statement alone got alot of people angry because Derrick Favors i believe will be the number one pick

could be wrong…its all in fun dont take it personal…what do u do for a living? since you ask me…but i still stand by my statement. dont be all upset and get to name calling like mikenike and WHY…thats uneccesary

[WhyParticipant]

I’m not upset

[The8thDeadlySinParticipant]

I got ya man. Im a 20 year old student. I understand. Stand by your statement if thats what you really believe. I just feel like this entire post has gone around and around to no avail. Know what I mean. Its just crazy because the same thing was said quite a few times. Then, like you said, it got ugly and people started calling people names and just like every other controversial post, people get pissed. When that happens, everyone might as well just stop.

[ricks17Participant]

listen my man . . . . . if for some outrageous reason john wall doesn’t go number 1. what makes you think derrick favours will?if were talking about complete packages, and some one to build a franchise around then Donatas Motiejunas should be number 1 over derrick favours.

by the way this is probably the stupidest post ever on this site, your an idiot

[powerguard97Participant]

Call me what you want mr. or ms. ricks17 he is not a number one pick, he is a Steve Francis all over again,except Francis dunked on people……second who is Donatas Motiejunas??? i give no European player higher rankings then a NCAA player…. Part because i am a Piston fan and i was told along with the rest of Piston nation, that Darko was better then Carmelo Anthony, Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade….. third this draft is not the strongest and there are not many players in this draft that you can build a team around. Derrick Favors is 6’10 250….likes to bang(physical) block shots (defense) and rebound (extra possesions). need i say more for a number one pick?????????????

[nba00Participant]

Wall can have an immediate impact on a team than favors. With his speed he could be like a young parker or present rondo if not like rose. Favors I dont think is capable of giving that much impact that wall can give early in his career.

[ball4life66Participant]

8thdeadlysin what do you mean Favors is not a good defender? I’d acutally say that is one of his biggest strengths. Also why does he have to be a good ball handler if he is a PF? I mean hes not going to cross anybody over but he’s actually solid in that area for a big man atleast. He also is a solid mid range shooter so I wouldn’t say he can’t shoot.

On Wall I have been really impressed with his mid range shot. Defintitely suprised me yesterday….

[marcusfizer21Participant]

-24 for the this post…??? WoW… If Utah gets the 1st pick in which they have a big chance they will, then that’s the time John Wall will not go #1… But to see the way he’s playing right now, you gotta believe the hype because this kid is real…

[tonyl33Participant]

Based on your list below; how many PF have been drafted and label as a Flop and how many pgs a Flop. Looking at the list only AI and Rose were the only point guards listed unless you count the LBJ because he was consider the next magic then 3. None of them were Flops.

Let’s count the PF and the flops.
Olowakandi, Brand, Martin, Brown, Griffen (hasn’t played yet).

Out of this list, the only PF to not be label a flop was Duncan.

Knowing this, why would you pick Favor over Wall? How many wrong picks must we go through to figure out that PF as the #1 pick is not always the best choice.

Number one picks
96- Allen Iverson…..MVP….NBA Finals…All Star Game MVP…lol
97- Tim Duncan 4 Championships…..PF
98- Michael Olowakandi—its the Clippers……..PF
99- Elton Brand—–Flop!……………PF
00 – Kenyon Martin—-PF
01- Kwame Brown….PF
02- Yao Ming…….C
03- The King…Lebron James….PG, SG,SF,PF…NBA Finals
04- Dwight Howard…..C….NBA Finals
05- Andrew Bogut- C…Flop!
06- Bargnani…next Dirk!…..C
07- Greg Oden…..Monster when he finally desides to where a knee brace
08 – Derrick Rose…….led team to NCAA Championship….PG
09- Blake Griffin….PF.

See a trend? the NBA doesnt want to have some 6’4 PG as a number one pick!!!!! AND I DONT WANT TO SEE IT! FAVORS IS THE MOST NBA READY AND WILL BE A NUMBER ONE PICK!! yeah not everyone is Isaih Thomas but John Wall obviously has game…I just want to see a 6’4 185lb point guard win a championship before he has to go up against bigger, stronger, faster point guards in the league. He needs to prove himself….when u draft a Center or Power forward as the NBA has did for 12 of the last 13 number one picks u have a 16 percent chance of getting to the finals. And a 33 percent chance at winning THE NBA CHAMPIONSHIP. Even Isaih Thomas didnt go number one in the 1981…he went number two behind Mark Aguire. Allen Iverson, Derrick Rose and John Lucas since 1976 are the only Pointguards taken with the number one overall pick since 1976……..result…0 rings! 2 NBA Finals appearences ( Iverson 2001, Lucas in 1986 w Rockets) so its a bad decision anyway you look at it……Besides Magic Johnson who was a 6’10 PG..taking a little guy number one is a joke!!!!!!

Favors should be the number one pick! unless you take Wall he might win you a FIBA Championship if you draft him number one…..

[McWinningParticipant]

lol you Kenyon Martin went to the finals once with the Nets he was also an All-Star i think.

[quincey hodges]

first of all favors isnt better. second he doesnt have anything liek a chris bosh game. he cant shoot out side of the paint. hes made no threes and his offensive skill set is very raw.. he scores off of feeds and being a better athlete then guys who are checking him…and why does a pg have to lead a team to a national title but not a power foward?…i think there are plenty of nba pg who never won a college title. matter of fact rondo,fisher,farmar,billups,parker,bj armstrong,wade,sam cassell. so from 1991-2009 the pg for those teams didnt have a ncaa national title pg, i think the ten years before 91 only isah won a title. im not understand how you dont think wall should be number one but favors should when wall is playing much better then favors and favors isn’t even the best big man or player on his team right now

[ball4life66Participant]

“first of all favors isnt better. second he doesnt have anything liek a chris bosh game. he cant shoot out side of the paint. hes made no threes and his offensive skill set is very raw.. he scores off of feeds and being a better athlete then guys who are checking him…and why does a pg have to lead a team to a national title but not a power foward?…i think there are plenty of nba pg who never won a college title. matter of fact rondo,fisher,farmar,billups,parker,bj armstrong,wade,sam cassell. so from 1991-2009 the pg for those teams didnt have a ncaa national title pg, i think the ten years before 91 only isah won a title. im not understand how you dont think wall should be number one but favors should when wall is playing much better then favors and favors isn’t even the best big man or player on his team right now”

Well favors hasn’t made a 3 yet because he hasn’t taken one yet so not sure what your point is. Again you are wrong because favors is a solid(not great) shooter outside the paint. Just look at his form and you can tell that he has the potenial to be a very good mid range shooter in the NBA. Am i the only one that thinks its kinda crazy to compare a PG to a PF? Its still way to early and why wall has been awesome favors has been very good and will only get better. Will not suprise me if Favors challenges Wall for the #1 pick at the end of the year and i doubt a lot of people have even seen Favors play yet since he hasn’t been on national television yet while Wall has been on ESPN multiple times already.

[quincey hodges]

also how can you talk about who wall has played against when favors hasn’t played against any potential first rounders or good nba prospect. and double double in the pros??? you must be talking about years down the road because he’s not even getting a double double now. and gets in foul trouble while playing against maybe d leaguers. but you think wehn he plays future nba players at unc and duke it will be his coming out party?

[McWinningParticipant]

powerguard tomorrow we get to see if your right about him struggling against big guards tomorrow he plays 6-5Jeremiah Rivers who before he left Georgetown was the best perimeter defender in the big east so well see if your right.

[porquevaParticipant]

I was first excited to see your user name and laughed at the picture, but then I realized that you made your name “orange juice jones” when the guys actual name is Oran “juice” Jones. So I guess you kind of got a chuckle out of me and then ended up failing.

On topic John Wall looks to me like a cross between D. Rose and D. Wade. He has a better shot than Rose IMO and just looks like a more fluid athlete. Roses game seems to vanilla, whereas Wade will and can do anything to get a shot off in and around the lane, and I think Wall plays more like Wade in that respect.

I understand the OP’s point about big men being more of a key to winning a championship than guards, but it has to be looked at on a case by case basis. Using the OP’s logic the Pistons were right to take Darko instead of Wade(not that they would have taken Wade).

[quincey hodges]

yeah its a case by case..you can win with a great or good guard just liek you can win with a great or good big man or a bunch of good players with no great player

[joecheck88Participant]

i respect your opinion but i believe your argument is horrible. u point out random things that make little sense. you showed the list of #1 picks and as someone pointed out, the only busts were the big men. now i agree that big men win championships, but is derrick favors really that big man? bigmen that win championships are kareem, mchale, parish, olajuwon, duncan, shaq, and garnett. does anyone see favors becoming as good as any of those guys? i don’t. and u mention teams not needing pg’s, lets see who doesn’t need one. new orleans, utah, probably okc wouldn’t draft him. and even new orleans might draft a wall for some scoring. and add milwaukee, i don’t think they would draft pg. wall is a talent that people don’t pass up on. and that favors is real good but not dominant big man good, he is more like beastly good ala amare, and al jefferson. john wall the sure fire #1 pick in the 2010 draft.

[FrankBlackBoi]

i have never seen 27 negative and counting before

[quincey hodges]

lol..naw hes the opposite..im more of a proof guy..wall has shown proof of him being number one..favors hasnt by far

[quincey hodges]

thats because he cant hit threes consitantly…bosh shot threes in college cuz he could hit them..the same with beasley and other pf who could shoot them. pretty much peopel who dont shoot threes cant hit them consistantly thats why they dont shoot them. favors has been good but i wouldnt go so far as to say very good..henry has been very good patterson has been very good and favors isnt on there level right now. everyone has the potential to be good shooters if they work on it but right now hes not a very good shooter unless hes close to the basket. i dont know if alot of people have seen him play but there are a coupel including me who have seen all of his games( theres a coupel of sites where u can watch any college game as well as espnu) which is why i say the things i say about him because ive seen all of his games. anyone who watches can clearly see there best player is lawal although favors has more POTENTIAL(key word). his defense is also pretty suspect(hence he foul trouble just about every game and contrary to what some fans who barley seen him play say he is not a sf at this point. anyone who have never heard of favors and watched him play( like a couple of my friends who have watched) say hes a pretty good player but isnt the second best player in college by a loooooooong shot( but of course the draft is more on potential)

[quincey hodges]

this was a funny post

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

im gone watch favors play tonite lets see if he has that chris bosh game you speak of……

[STEVEDOT2Participant]

all star cal point gaurds are easy to come by tho

big men not so much

[THE LAKESHOW]

did you see that chris bosh game steve?..lol

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