[valentine]

Found this on RealGM.com

Plus, All these reasons are legit

10. Cash. Over the same five years, LeBron would earn $4.14 million less signing with the Knicks than re-signing with the Cavs as a free-agent. The Cavs can offer an extra year, but there is little reason to think the security of a 6th season will be decisive. If LeBron put much value on security, he would have sought a longer-term contract in 2006 rather than the 3-year extension he did sign. If security is what he is after, LeBron would have already signed an extension this off-season. Given the relatively small difference between the Cavs’ and Knicks’ 5-year max offers – and given the mountain of endorsement dollars that could come LeBron’s way if he lands in New York – LeBron could have a significant financial incentive to sign with the Knicks.

9. Talent. The Knicks’ roster, though young and unproven, has the 20-PPG potential of Danilo Gallinari, a two-way wing with upside like Wilson Chandler, and a scoring big in rookie Jordan Hill. All three have higher ceilings than any non-Lebron Cavs. A roster deep with quality role players but not elite talent (the most apt way to describe the Cavs minus LeBron) is only enough to give a great player what he needs to have a successful regular season. Winning in the playoffs requires finding another impact player who can help carry the load. The Knicks have the type of young players who can develop into major pieces next to a superstar and their salary cap is set up to allow the team to bid for other top free-agents in the near term.

8. Attracting free-agents. LeBron may realize that getting future free-agents to follow him onto the big stage in New York would be easier than getting them to join him in Cleveland.

7. 2011. Much is made of the fact that Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries remain on the Knick books. Yet both contracts expire just one year later, freeing up $18 million of cap room that puts the Knicks in position to offer another max contract in 2011 when New York-born Carmelo Anthony is set to hit the free-agent market.

6. Mobley. Cuttino Mobley’s contract, 80% of which is covered by insurance, gives the Knicks a valuable trade chip the team can use to remove more salary from the 2010 ledger. Consider that the payout of $7.6 million of insurance for Mobley’s contract would more than offset Jeffries’ $6.9 million salary in 2010, and the Knicks could throw in an additional $3 million in the trade. The Knicks can make taking Jeffries’ contract off their hands very affordable for another club.

5. Buyouts. If the Knicks are a few million dollars short of the cap room needed to offer a second max contract in 2010, look for Donnie Walsh to engineer a buyout of the 2010-2011 season on the contracts of Curry and/or Jeffries. Because this is the final year of these contracts, the Knicks would receive dollar-for-dollar cap relief on any buyout. For instance, offering 80% of the salary due on the last season of these two contracts would buy the Knicks more than $3.5 million of additional cap room.

4. The salary cap. Since the NBA league office announced its projections that the salary cap will decline next season, several positive economic indicators were released showing that the recession may already have ended. If true, the NBA’s salary cap might not drop nearly as much as projected if it even drops at all. But because Danny Ferry signed Anthony Parker, Jamario Moon and Leon Powe to 2-year contracts, the Cavs will not have room for a second max free-agent next summer even if the cap goes up. It might therefore be a checkmate move if Walsh ekes out enough cap room to be able to offer two max contracts in 2010. LeBron’s decision might be between staying in Cleveland with the Cavs’ roster as is or jumping to New York with Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh.

3. The luxury tax. In New York, LeBron could be assured of joining an organization that would spare no expense in pursuit of multiple championships. Cavs’ ownership has never pulled back on spending but that could change. Dan Gilbert’s deal to bring in Chinese investment, spun as a bold marketing initiative, may have had more to do with cash reserves drying up. Once they’re out of cap room, the Knicks would never hesitate to use their mid-level exception, take on more and more salary each year and pay exorbitant luxury tax bills, to keep renewing LeBron’s supporting cast. The coffers at MSG are effectively bottomless.

2. The Yankees. The Yankees have emerged as the best team in baseball and are poised for another championship run. At some point, CC Sabathia may confide to his good pal, one of the Yankees’ most famous fans, ‘There’s nothing like winning in New York.’

1. The heart. Big life decisions like the one LeBron will have in less than a year are usually made more on emotion than cold reason. Is home where LeBron’s heart is or does he yearn for the spotlight of Broadway? We don’t know the answer to that yet. But last week, just before letting us know that he plans to become a free-agent after the coming season, LeBron said he is “not ashamed of anything in Cleveland.” Not exactly a ringing endorsement, especially in contrast to the reverential words LeBron used to describe how he feels stepping on the floor at Madison Square Garden. The worry for Cavs fans is that LeBron’s tone seems to be creeping closer to the ‘It’s not you, it’s me’ line of reasoning, an explanation vaguely reminiscent of ‘The heart wants what the heart wants.’

[McWinningParticipant]

if the Yankees are the second reason im not sure its worth reading.

[QHaynes20]

Ok, 1 reason out of 10 and you dont wanna read it….wow. Plus, that one makes sense.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

QHaynes- You know the majority of people don’t want to see LeBron go to New York. Expect some haters. Ha. This was a cool article. I hope the Knicks do find a way to trade Jeffries.

[QHaynes20]

I want someone to come up with 10 reasons he stays in Cleveland…..oops, there isint 10 reasons!

[McWinningParticipant]

im note a hater its just maybe im looking it through my eyes because my love for the game would want m to go to the better team, and i hope Lebron choses the same legends dont go with money and if he is a legend he shouldnt.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

But the Knicks will surround LeBron with better talent

[McWinningParticipant]

if they dont resign Lee and Robinson leaves whos that better talent?

[QHaynes20]

He is a Legend…Legends are made into bigger Legends in NY

[gatorheelsParticipant]

birdzilla- You have to have vision….look into the future a little….the Knicks won’t have the talent immediately but they will have the financial ability to surround LeBron with a solid supporting cast within a couple years. Also like I have said before if LeBron can’t win a title in Cleveland which I don’t think he is going to then why stay?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

Half of those reasons can be combined with others (I.E 2011 and Free Agents). The Yankees one is kinda dumb.

Your list is vague and if I did the same thing you did, I can come up with 10 reasons for LeBron to join any team.

[McWinningParticipant]

your right the future looks better for Nw York but right now i dont see much. Cleveland had a great offseason adding Shaq, Moon, and Parker we all know Shaqs specialty i winning titles. and i dont think Lebron wants to wait forever to win he wants it now!

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Haha how are they going to win it now though?

[McWinningParticipant]

im sure Shaq is hungry for one last title i think their the hungriest team in the league right now.

[QHaynes20]

He can win in NY….not in Cleveland

You can attract FA’s to NY…not to Cleveland

[McWinningParticipant]

whos the free agents they have attracted recently that are so good?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

You can attract FA’s fine anywhere except probably Minnesota who wants to go there?

[McWinningParticipant]

why havent the Clippers atracted top free agents i mean their in CAlifornia?

[QHaynes20]

Ummm. We were not run correctly and never had alot of cap space to get FA’s.

The last time was 94…we got Allen Houston and Chris Childs.

Players step up there game when they come to the Garden….LBJ may come here to be the star and lead NY and attract another guy in 2011

[gatorheelsParticipant]

spencer- good point haha

birdzilla- Yeah Cleveland is hungry…that is a true statement

[QHaynes20]

Yeah Cleveland is hungry…that is a true statement

they will remain hungry after LBJ leaves

[McWinningParticipant]

whohave the Knicks attracted lately thats better than who Cleveland has attracted?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

They signed Baron Davis and Cuttino Mobley not too long ago

[QHaynes20]

Noone. But that’s not the point, LBJ wants to go to a place that superstars would wanna go to.

Cleveland is not the place

[McWinningParticipant]

why wouldnt they?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

are you LeBron? you seem to know exactly what he thinks

[QHaynes20]

not a attractive city or as D-Wade said…it’s not a sexy city

[SpencerIsHawesome]

LeBron is gonna go to New Jersey with his boy Jay-Z

PG: Harris
SG: Lee
SF: LeBron
PF: Who Cares
C: Lopez

[QHaynes20]

NY presents better off the court profits.

Also, The Knicks will add LBJ and most likely a MLE player…The Knicks will also add another player in 2011

[jeff416Participant]

LBJ would have a better chance to win in Clevland then NY the Knicks are not a very good team they cant even make the playoffs just because its a bigger city then Clevland doesnt mean anything unless they sign Bosh or Amare I doubt he will go there.If he wants to play in a big city he would be better off goin to the Clippers or the Bulls they both have young stars and it would be much more likely that he would play with a better team there than in NY.

[QHaynes20]

I disagree. Jordan Hill, Danillo Gallanari and Wilson Chandler are good players and around LBJ, there numbers would improve.

I see NY as his destination.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

you really over-estimate the amount of extra profit Lebron will get in NY… He might make a little more MAYBE but no matter where he is he is LeBron and he’s gonna get pretty much the same endorsements. You act like he gets no publicity in Cleveland. He gets as much as he would anywhere else.

[QHaynes20]

He would get more pub in NY.

I think you just dont wanna see LBJ to NY, if he goes its over The Knicks will be winning a title in the next 10 years

[QHaynes20]

He would get more pub in NY.

I think you just dont wanna see LBJ to NY, if he goes its over The Knicks will be winning a title in the next 10 years

[MagikKnickParticipant]

I like how everyone says “the knicks cant make the playoffs”, like..without lebron neither could the Cavs…

[HaleParticipant]

Why do people always bring this up? You can say all you want but none of us know where he is going. My guess is Cleveland, that is all I can do, guess. Give it a rest.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

I couldnt care less where LeBron goes as long as he stays in the East.

Face it. LeBron gets crazy pub now, if he goes to NY he isnt going to be on ESPN any more than he is, he isn’t gonna be on television anymore than he is. The only extra endorsements he would get would be from smaller NY based companies.. The big ones such as a Nike will get him no matter where he goes.

[QHaynes20]

where are you from Spencer…

[CLYDE-frazier10Participant]

that cavs got people because of lebron. why artest go to LA instead of Cleavland? Cuz he knows kobe is going to be there until he retires.
another reason you can put up there is the system.lebron is made for dantonis system. he thrived on it on usa team. and it cause some one like melo or wade(if knicks make trades) to come cuz they loved they system to. and you guys talk bout how dantonis system has no D. i agree. but when u have lebron screaming in ur face bout playing d i think they play GREAT d. lebron is best help defender in league. hell make everyone better,
cavs front court aside from lebron is either old or overrated.they made stupid decisions with da varajoa deal. shaq is old Big Z is old.i liked the parker signing but hes just a shooter. they have no true point gaurd on that team. mo will is a shoot first gaurd. west is a shoot first guard. how does a team with no true pg win a ship? the knicks have 3 player for the future . and i can argue 4 . sg/sf they have chandler proved he can score, only gets better at D. sf gallonari/ hes ganna be great IMO.
pf/C jordan hillhes going to be a solid player. pg tony douglass is going to be they steal of the draft.

[CLYDE-frazier10Participant]

i think hell get more $$ if his face is all over time square. dont u?

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

he aint coming to NY.

[QHaynes20]

dtc…you never know.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

NY lol

And obviously if his face is over times square he will make more, but not an amazingly huge amount that will be some kind of deal breaker. He’s probably had his face over times square now and he’s in Cleveland.

[QHaynes20]

you thought Elton Brand was leaving LA?

Baron Davis was leaving Golden State?

[jeff416Participant]

Clevland has a very underrated supporting cast there team would make the playoffs without Lebron would they do anything in the playoffs probably not but they would make it. NJ has a better future team than NY the only thing the Knicks have is a good coach after that everyone on there team sucks.

[QHaynes20]

thanks Jeff now we know you dont watch or have ever seen the Knicks play….

[SpencerIsHawesome]

The Cavs wouldn’t make the playoffs without LeBron. No chance.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

DontTradeChandler, you’ve been a pretty strong advocate in saying Lebron, and other big name free agents are going to stay..

So what are you expecting to happen 2010? just wondering..cuz it sounds like your expecting 100% rejection

[MagikKnickParticipant]

Jeff, that was one of the dumbest things i’ve ever read…

[SpencerIsHawesome]

More guys than people want/hope are probably going to stay with their teams.. I think everyone wants the league to shake up and be really interesting but you gotta think majority of guys will re-sign. There might be a few major moves but i think it’s not very likely that almost everyone switches

[CLYDE-frazier10Participant]

he comes here his face will be everywhere here. its not. i know. i go to manhatten a lot.the cavs stating lineup wud be this. west mo-will parker varejoa shaq yup there making playoffs (sarcastic)
they wud suck @$$

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

but i just dont see enough reasons for him to leave cleveland. i think the cavs can win a title and the only reason they lost to orlando was cause hedo and lewis killed them. i dont think lebron making more money in NY with the whole endoresement thing means he wont make money in cleveland. he is already maketable enough to get lots of endorsements where he is. and the knicks roster may be better than the cavs, im not sure if the cavs roster is that bad. mo williams is an allstar, gibson was a post season hero a couple of years ago. jj hickson looks good and i want to see what danny green can do. and ohio has the one thing NY does not, personal ties. he was nearly aborted, was given birth to anyways, learned the game, became a phenom and lived his dream in ohio. his best friends are the same guys he played ball with in H.S. the nba is a business but there is a lot more in his decision than winning and money.

[CLYDE-frazier10Participant]

winning is everything for lebron

[jeff416Participant]

Ive watched them play like 5 times last year Nates good but he might not stay Lees alright but not greatand Hill will be might be ok but Ill have to see him play in the NBA before Iknow how good he is after that I dont see alot of talent on their team I havent watched Chandler or Galanarie play alot but when I did I wasnt impressed.
But if he goes to Chicago he has a superstar in Rose and a team that made it to the playoffs if he goes to the Clippers he has good talent in Griffin and Gordon if he goes to the Nets he has Harris and alot of poteintal good players in CDR,Lee,Lopez, and Williams I just think he would fit better with them than in NY or he could stay in Clevland and have a very good team every year but the ONLY way I can see him play with the Knicks is if they sign another superstar.

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

is only using free agency to create a buzz about himself. i mean this whole 2010 thing wouldnt exist if he wasnt on that list. there are great playersin wade and bosh who will most likely opt out in 2010 but lbj is the biggest name. during the season, one game when lebron came to msg. people were going crazy. people had fake jerseys with New York on the front and James on the back. has New York ever did this for a potential free agent? and the thing is it happend two seasons before he is to become a free agent. everybody knows when he opts out, he will be the biggest name in sports until he signs with a team. he will be in every newspaper from NY all the way to LA and orobably overseas. there is no one in the history of sports whose free agency has been this discussed and this anticipated and he knows that. this is why the cavs will be the most pressured team in not just the NBA but America. and i think he wants that. btw, jeff416, watch a little more than that before you critisize

[jeff416Participant]

Im not trying to critisize NY I just think he would be a better fit with another team. But if NY signs a Bosh or Amare I think he will go to NY but I just think other teams have better talent than NY right now.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

I’m surprised that this article wasn’t able to get -20923 points…

[QHaynes20]

why?

[QHaynes20]

one word- haters

[HaleParticipant]

QHaynes man I gave you like 15 points on 15 posts an hour ago and now your lower then you were before I gave you any. WTF?

EDIT: Right after I said that you went up 20, then I gave you more so the statement above is no longer accurate.

[GoodbyeChandlerParticipant]

cause i give q points on almost everything he says, except when he mentions lbj and knicks, i dont do anything on those. and hes still in the minus. theres something going on. i think when natethe great found the point bug, he may have used it on some of the users to lower their points.

[marcusfizer21Participant]

I am no hater of yours… I just don’t like the topic implyng LBJ is going to NYK whereas we are not even sure where his mind is right now. Can’t you wait until 2010 before you start writing this article about LBJ going to the Big Apple? Anyway, bottomline, I don’t hate you man… It’s just that this topic is all over the net…I am just tired of talking about it. Why not focus on this upcoming season’s exciting stories that will come instead of the FA on 2010…peace dawg^^

[MkadozaParticipant]

Its currently in the place called “If we dont win this year, I’m getting the …. outta here.”

The reason we Knicks fans talk about it is because we gotta special bond with Lebron. Him wearing the Yankees cap in the New York-Cleveland series, him coming out with his special Yankee Pinstripe Custom Lebrons and Big Apple Custom Lebrons, his reverence of Madison Square Garden and the mecca, chants of MVP, he seems like he want to be that guy. This is a team with young talent and large contracts coming of the books, and the Knicks will offer him everything. The question is whether the allure of the city is what he wants, because he’ll find 8+ million witnesses lining Broadway and Lexington. He’ll have his ads in Time Square. He would run the City.

The Cavs were easily the best regular season team with great defense and a team that played well together. However, once the playoffs rolled around, Lebron was left to carry all his teammates dead weight. They could not score if their franchise depended on it, and every miss of a great pass from Lebron hurt him more and more. You could tell from his actions and words that he felt he did everything in his power to win, and if he had some support they could have won. Anthony Parker isnt as good as his sister, and is really a taller Delonte West. Moon can defend and jump. Shaq is old, and is very non committal about what he thinks Lebron plans are. If David Lee was so make-or-break for the Knicks getting Lebron, why didnt the Cavs sight him?

The fact of the matter is the New York City is better than Cleveland. Lebron knows he could probably be a partial owner if he wanted, but he fears the back lash from his hometown. So I see him playing as hard as he can, again, and if they dont even make the finals, he’s gone. He made it to the second round 3 years ago so imrovement is necessary, and while his game continues to improve, the team doesnt. It doesnt help that the Cavs have drafted horribly in 2004, when they could have had Biedrins, Al Jefferson, Josh Smith, JR Smith, Kevin Martin, or Jameer Nelson and they pick…. Luke Jackson?
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[invalidParticipant]

knicks is built with mike D. and the free agency. yes, another superstar or no one will go to NY.
nets is the better choice for LBJ. this team looks like the cavs only younger.

[MkadozaParticipant]

The nets have Devin Harris and Brook Lopez and a plethora of wings with similar skill sets. Yi is the big question mark. Can he show the improvement necessary to make up for the loss of their best player? I dont think so.

[MkadozaParticipant]

PLus, Lebron has seen madison square garden at its best, with some of the rowdiest fans in the NBA when the team is good. When the Knicks were in the playoffs, every series was epic, whether it was the bulls, heat or pacers, theres something very special about MSG, and I think Lebron knows and feels it.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

Madison Square Garden… where jesus was born!

give me a break. you knicks fans are such clowns

[quincey hodges]

lol..yeah knicks fans are really trying. its gonna be sad if it doesnt happen( which is likely)

[McWinningParticipant]

Lebron might go to Chicago because yjey have cap their and their young talented team in a big city (by the way i hate the Cavs more than i do the KNicks i ddont hate the Knicks).

[JoeWolf1]

Chicago has a hard time pulling in big names for some reason, as a Bulls fan i have watched them try ever since the rebuilding years after they disbanded the late 90’s Dynasty. TMac, Kobe, Garnett were all went after in free agency, but for some reason, Chicago couldn’t pull them in, I don’t know if its Jordan’s shadow or just poor front office moves, but I SERIOUSLY doubt LeBron will wind up in Chicago.

[MkadozaParticipant]

Theres are reason MSG is called the World’s Most Famous Arena… And Spencer… Jesus was born in Bethlehem.

On a more analytical note, lets get one thing clear. Lebron knows the opportunity he has in 2010. He’s going weigh his options and he will have a lot of huge offers. the thing is only the Lakers can match what NY will shell out. Multi billion dollar stadiums are being put up, the Yankees continue to out spend, and the fan base is desprate for something to believe in, and with his “We are all Witnesses” slogan why wouldnt he go to a place with at least 10 Million worshipers ready to bow to the King? Why wouldnt he go to the Mecca of Basketball? D’Antoni would play him at point guard and watch him operate with a smile. If you can be the Toast of the Town why not pick the best town in the world?

[MkadozaParticipant]

When Lebron James signs with the Knicks I will create a forum topic where all you haters can formally apologize…

[McWinningParticipant]

i would create a topic when he resigns with the Cavs but its not nice to rub things in.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

I love how everyone says everyone is a “hater” now. No, nobody is a hater. Your argument just sucks. He will go to NY and play for a coach whose teams dont ever play defense. A Mike D coach team, even with LeBron, would struggle in the playoffs unless he changes his philosophy. If LeBron loves regular season wins and not winning in the playoffs he can just stay in Cleveland instead of moving to NY to do that.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

I really think if LeBron goes anywhere it will be to NJ.. Him and Jay-Z are good friends, Harris and Lopez are great 2 and 3 options. They have 30 Mil coming off the books after this season.

Look at it like this:

Nets will have a top-10, probably top-5 pick.

Lets say they pick Ed Davis PF
Sign LeBron James to a max contract
Re-sign Alston, Boone, CDR let Simmons, Battie, Hassel, and Hayes walk

PG: Devin Harris, Rafer Alston
SG: Courtney Lee/Terrence Williams/CDR
SF: Lebron James/Yi Jianlian/Terrence Williams
PF: Ed Davis/Yi Jianlian/Sean Williams
C: Brooke Lopez/Josh Boone

Just sign a spot shooter and the team basically would have it all.

[QHaynes20]

Spencer….come on now. A LBJ team is gonna be good in the playoffs

If you lived in NY, you would realize they actually have some decent talents.

[McWinningParticipant]

name a player thats near Lopez, or Harris in talent?

[QHaynes20]

We have Wilson Chandler who was good last season and is a solid defender who can play the 2 or the 3

Danillo Gallonari can be a 20ppg guy in the NBA (And I’m not the only one saying that)

Jordan Hill can be solid

David Lee is a top 5 Rebounder in the NBA

Nate is one of the top 6 men in the NBA

Plus, If LBJ signs in 2010. The Knicks can add a player in 2011 if they trade Curry’s expiring contract or let him walk.

[McWinningParticipant]

none of those players are sure things. Nate, and Lee have a good chance of leaving. Gallonari could be good but he didnt dominate last year so im not sure hes ready to take the staep. i ageww Hill will be good but hes a rookie, the Nets have two proven stars in Haris and Lopez.

[quincey hodges]

lol..so wait thats youre reason?.. because he wore a yankee cap and likes the yankees?( alot of athletes like the yankees) and because he called newyork the mecca which is what all the players call new york and that he wants to win ( thats the funniest since the players they have in place even with lebron would struggle to even get to the second round as well as mike d’antono has proved his no defense approach doesnt even get you to the championship even when he has a team full of talent). for one cleveland can offer him more money and im pretty sure he can have some of the owner ship if he wanted on top of the asian market that has been opened up even more to him because of owner ship and since there are alot of players that would liek to play with lebron im pretty sure they can add another player to the roster. im not a fan of either teams but chances are high that he resigns with cleveland before heading to new york.

[QHaynes20]

Maybe. Chandler, Hill and Gallo are gonna be good this year and I think they can attract LBJ to NY.

The Nets can get him too but it’s like LBJ going to the Clippers, why go to the 2nd best team in NY?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

Lee and Nate aren’t on any team right now, and wont be on the Knicks for more than this year if they are at all.

Chandler is solid.. Gallinari and Hill are both question marks but i’d imagine both will be solid.
This is the team in 2 seasons

Gallinari, Hill, Chandler, Jeffries, Curry, No first round pick.

[McWinningParticipant]

you think the Knicks are better than the Nets?

[QHaynes20]

QH…..read the top of the topic post sir….

[QHaynes20]

QH…..read the top of the topic post sir….

[quincey hodges]

thats a very very very big maybe

[QHaynes20]

True, but the Knicks can buy a 1st round pick.

Also, Do i think they are better? No. More Balance? Maybe.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

This year the Knicks will be better than NJ if they re-sign Lee and Nate for the year. For the future? No doubt NJ is the better team

[SpencerIsHawesome]

If they buy a first rounder it will be late and some guy who wont make a difference just filling a roster spot

[QHaynes20]

Plus if the Knicks can land Iverson or Sessions, I think they can be a playoff team

[QHaynes20]

your right spencer because no late 1st round pick has never made a impact.

[McWinningParticipant]

another thing the Cavs cant attract free agents but the Knicks havent been that succesful. Miller chose the tiny unendorsable Portland over New York and iy looks like Sessions might choose La, how would they suddenly atract free agents?

[SpencerIsHawesome]

Lee, Nate, Iverson. They dont bring anything to the Knicks future. If they get Sessions thats a good pick up.

The only problem is they get Sessions, he is the starting PG. Lebron is a SF so Gallinari will ride the bench.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

late first rounders do make differences. about 1 a year maybe makes a real big difference on a team.

[quincey hodges]

lol who said no late first rounder have made a impact. if the knicks buy a later first rounder wont that cut into the money they can offer a free agent. im just not sure they can be a playoff team if they add either since they play no defense. mike just doesnt teach it it seems he just teaches you to entertain the crowd and score alot of points which doesnt get you in the championship and with this roster(including sessions or iverson , wont get you near the playoffs

[QHaynes20]

Birdzilla…

Cleveland has not been called a attractive city and they dont get the big FA’s they want. They are not players in FA and the only they can add another great player next to LBJ in a trade…

NY has been poorly run since 2000. We are on the upswing now because Donnie Walsh is a Top 3 GM. Plus the Knicks are offering most players 1 year deals and Miller did not want that. Sessions still may come to NY because the Knicks may offer Milwaukee a good trade deal.

Spencer- I know. But he can be a great 6th man

[quincey hodges]

why doesnt this guy like you?. is it really that serious qhaynessucks its only a basketball chat fourm

[QHaynes20]

Lol…Ok, you must love me because you named yourself after me. I have a life, dont worry about homie. I already have offers to write for basketball sites, Im 16. I’m chill son. I dont care what you say. You talk me, I talk ball it’s whatever to me.

[McWinningParticipant]

you do? what sites?

[QHaynes20]

im gonna write for realcollegebasketball.com in the fall most likely. They offered me the opp to do it.

[McWinningParticipant]

nice.

[QHaynes20]

Did I really?

If I did, I stand buy it.

[McWinningParticipant]

sorry your wrong there Roy has turned a young team and and winners and led his team to 50+ wins, Rondos decent but Roys a special player.

[QHaynes20]

lol…i like who i like.

BTW, keep blowing me….

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

just for the record Q, the cavs will not have any cap space because LeBron will still have to have a cap hold if the Cavs want to keep his rights (and the ability to resign him to the longest/richest deal) so yea… the Cavs couldn’t resign someone as of how the roster is set right now…. I think.

[QHaynes20]

I dont understand…so is that something good for my arguement?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

good thing for your argument…remember when i was saying the Cavs would have cap room…only if they could keep his bird riights until after july 1… but they can’t. i just wanted to let u know cuz i was having the discussion with you

[QHaynes20]

oh thanks for the info man

[sameolGParticipant]

re-title this “10 reason I hope my Knicks can get Lebron James in 2010”

[knicksfreakParticipant]

Sorry I’m late to the party. I used to be very pessimistic about Lebron actually leaving Clveland to come to New York but my optimism has grown over time.

I doubt Cleveland will win the championship this year and Lebron will have to evaluate his team’s roster. Shaq and Z are getting old. Mo Williams and Varejao are overrated. Nobody else really makes a difference on that team. Cleveland’s roster is not built for the long haul.

To all of you haters that dont realize the draw of Madison Square Garden you have to open your eyes. Every great player acknowledges the greatness of MSG including Lebron. Who even knows the names of the arenas in Cleveland or New Jersey?

People also have to realize that Lebron will make more money from endorsements in New York. Fads and styles start in New York. It is the most international city in the world.

Lebron would put up mindblowing numbers playing for Mike D’Antoni. It is not out of the realm of possibility to see Lebron average a triple-double.

Chandler, Lee, and Hill have the size and versatility of the players of Orlando that gave Lebron such a hard time in the playoffs. I think he will recognize the potential and strength of such a long athletic lineup.

[CLYDE-frazier10Participant]

uys r dumb LBK is not the onlt guy whoz ganna b a freeagent. were getting a freeagent star garenteed when we get 2 of them ill make a topic called NY hatter Suck my b@!!$

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

“It is the most international city in the world.”

I don’t know about that… Although the more that I think of it, I don’t know if I can name a city that is significantly ‘more international.’ I donno, to me LA is more international than NY cuz everywhere you look there is someone who looks different…

[quincey hodges]

well knicks freak lee is just as overrated because you can go on any website and see coaches say his offense is a product of his enviorment. he has no real offensive moves and just scores off of hustle and is a good rebounder. you say chandler who is good but once again a product of d’antonis system. and you mention hill even though he hasnt done a thing in the nba yet. if you talk about winning a title cleveland has a much better chance then newyork reguardless of the lights flash and the mecca of basketball. the fact still remains the young guys arent proven robins yet and are still not at there potenial where they can help lead a team to a title then theres the fact that the coach just preaches offense and no defense which doesnt win titles. he had a monster of a team out west that was better then the knicks would be with lebron and still couldnt even get to the finals once so you really think he would get that team to the finals?. now if the knicks coach was larry brown then id be singing a different tune

[QHaynes20]

lee is not overrated

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Dantoni is not a bad coach. He made the majority of the players that came to Phoenix into NBA names. And his teams were never terrible defensively, they were middle of the pack, not in the perennial defensive basement as everyone says. Dantoni’s offensive pace is set more to wear the other team out than play the least amount of defense possible. And in all the years he was in Phoenix I saw the Suns drop 120-130+ points on teams multiple times, but I never saw a team drop 130 points on the Suns. He even won 9 more games this year than the Knicks did last year while trying to clean up the mess there, dealing with the Marbury soap opera, and with significantly less talent than the year before, all while making multiple trades throughout the year and playing young guys heavy minutes.

[ckowalskiParticipant]

Not only were the Suns not terrible defensively under Dantoni, but his first three years there they IMPROVED defensively every year from 17th to 13th, before falling back to 16th his final year there, while never having worse than the 3rd best offense in the League. Pretty impressive.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/

[SpencerIsHawesome]

too bad come playoff time the entire team is worn out

[gatorheelsParticipant]

ckowalski- I agree. Plus the fact that he hasn’t won a title yet doesn’t mean that he can’t win one in the future. I think he is a solid coach. I would rather have Dantoni over Mike Brown anyday.

[SpencerIsHawesome]

Mike Brown sucks, i’d take almost any coach over him..

[quincey hodges]

not overrated by nba coaches or scouts but overrated by some fans and him( or his agent) for the money hes asking for that no team is willing to pay

[QHaynes20]

can we agree he is a top 5 NBA rebounder?

[quincey hodges]

theres no choice but to agree stat wise since he was the third leading rebounder in the leauge. which also means we have to acknowledge that troy murphey is the second best rebounder in the leauge

[QHaynes20]

Troy Murphy is not a top rebounder…he had one good year and average year before that. Lee had 3 good rebounding seasons

[quincey hodges]

hmmmm

murphey last 3 seasons… 14 12 11
lee 16 10 10…..

[quincey hodges]

which is weird since it says both averaged 11. something during this year on the daily leaders but on there name page it says 16 lee and 14 murphey

[QHaynes20]

are you guessing stats now?

Lee- 11.7, 8.9 and 10.4

Murphy- 11.8, 7.2 and 6.1

where are you getting those stats from?

[quincey hodges]

nba.com

[quincey hodges]

where u getting youres from?

[quincey hodges]

oops lol i was looking at points pergame..

[QHaynes20]

espn.com

[quincey hodges]

since we dont go by just one season we woul dhave to go by career which has lee averaging more by .6 right?

[QHaynes20]

True.

[quincey hodges]

actually the more i look at it the more im thinking its almost even..if you look at the seasons his rebounds were down he played 20 something games and go injured except 2..one was his rookie year and the other was when he was getting over the injury

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