[gopack10Participant]

Tobias Harris has been traded to the Pistons for B. Jennings and Ersan I.

My first and only question is…WHY ORLANDO?  You didn’t get any better.

http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/02/pistons-to-acquire-tobias-harris.html

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 What a steal for Detroit.  I’m surprised Orlando didn’t wait to see if there were any better offers than Jennings and Ersan.  

[BleedGreen808Participant]

 What a steal for Detroit.  I’m surprised Orlando didn’t wait to see if there were any better offers than Jennings and Ersan.  

[prophetmeirParticipant]

so confused scott must have tons of power, he coached brandon jennings and Ersan. In his time there he benched tobias harris. Fast foward he trades tobias for two of his old players lol. But think of a tobias harris andre pick and roll! man or reggie jackson tobias pick and roll.

[prophetmeirParticipant]

so confused scott must have tons of power, he coached brandon jennings and Ersan. In his time there he benched tobias harris. Fast foward he trades tobias for two of his old players lol. But think of a tobias harris andre pick and roll! man or reggie jackson tobias pick and roll.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 they had been holding out for a possible deal with the clippers involving blake or jj..but everyone knows that the clips werent trading blake.

 they now have a logjam at pf gordon,frye,nickelson & ilyasova….and at pg with payton,napier,jennings,watson.maybe another trade is coming.but it does create more playing time for the talented mario, who seems to be playing well in his last 10 gms.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

 they had been holding out for a possible deal with the clippers involving blake or jj..but everyone knows that the clips werent trading blake.

 they now have a logjam at pf gordon,frye,nickelson & ilyasova….and at pg with payton,napier,jennings,watson.maybe another trade is coming.but it does create more playing time for the talented mario, who seems to be playing well in his last 10 gms.

[SpaceghostParticipant]

So does this mean E payton is moving and they are going to keep Vic?   OK im sureee Scott Skiles and Brandon Jennings is going to work out great.. SMH. I guess Arron Gordon starts  OH WELL let the ben simmons tanking begin.

[SpaceghostParticipant]

So does this mean E payton is moving and they are going to keep Vic?   OK im sureee Scott Skiles and Brandon Jennings is going to work out great.. SMH. I guess Arron Gordon starts  OH WELL let the ben simmons tanking begin.

[mamadouParticipant]

Come on magic, Harris was worth more than 2 expirings, he’s 23, and if i’m not mistaken he’s no markieff morris on the court, off the court, or in the locker room…

[mamadouParticipant]

Come on magic, Harris was worth more than 2 expirings, he’s 23, and if i’m not mistaken he’s no markieff morris on the court, off the court, or in the locker room…

[festar35Participant]

I like what Detroit did, all though I will say that Harris and Morris are very similar players as offensive hybrid forwards and I think Detroit could have done with a defensive wing, but maybe that’ll be Stanley Johnson’s future.

As for Orlando, I think that they got deeper and have solid 10-man rotation
C. Vucevic/Smith
PF. Gordon/Ilyasova
SF. Fournier/Marble
SG. Oladipo/Hezonja
PG. Payton/Jennings

They have a huge scoring punch of the bench in Jennings, Hezonja and Ilyasova however defensive again they lack big time in that 2nd unit. This team is entertaining, but I’m not sure it helps them win, I think there future is still in how the young guys develop.

[Very Busey]

 It’s not over, Oladipo still might be traded. This Harris trade also means Orlando can afford to pay Fournier.

And a point guard who can shoot is something they’ve been missing since Jameer Nelson got old. That lack of a shooting point guard is at the heart of their struggles to win games this year.

 

 

 

[Very Busey]

 It’s not over, Oladipo still might be traded. This Harris trade also means Orlando can afford to pay Fournier.

And a point guard who can shoot is something they’ve been missing since Jameer Nelson got old. That lack of a shooting point guard is at the heart of their struggles to win games this year.

 

 

 

[festar35Participant]

I like what Detroit did, all though I will say that Harris and Morris are very similar players as offensive hybrid forwards and I think Detroit could have done with a defensive wing, but maybe that’ll be Stanley Johnson’s future.

As for Orlando, I think that they got deeper and have solid 10-man rotation
C. Vucevic/Smith
PF. Gordon/Ilyasova
SF. Fournier/Marble
SG. Oladipo/Hezonja
PG. Payton/Jennings

They have a huge scoring punch of the bench in Jennings, Hezonja and Ilyasova however defensive again they lack big time in that 2nd unit. This team is entertaining, but I’m not sure it helps them win, I think there future is still in how the young guys develop.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 This will open up more mins for hezonja, who I think Orlando believes is their SF of the future anyway. I think that’s the primary reason this deal was made.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Jennings and illyasova both have expiring deals. I don’t really see Orlando keeping either one beyond this season.

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wouldn’t surprise me if they just cut Jennings.  Not only is he a career loser, but he’s not a leader, is damaged goods and Skiles doesn’t like him.  You’re right though, Harris to DET looks like purely a salary dump. 

The Magic are in a strange position.  They brought in Skiles to compete and they were earlier in the year when they were playing their vets, but they started losing some games and it was like the staff was given the directive that, if they were gonna lose games, they shouldd lose with their youngsters. As an organization, they’ve chosen development (for the umpteenth year in a row) over competing for the playoffs, hence clearing more minutes for Gordon.  At this juncture, I’d completely eliminate them from playoff contention.

On the flipside, DET gets a steal, but there is some overlap with Morris andd Harris.  Whether he starts or not, they get a big scoring boost to their bench which was sorely needed.

 

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Wouldn’t surprise me if they just cut Jennings.  Not only is he a career loser, but he’s not a leader, is damaged goods and Skiles doesn’t like him.  You’re right though, Harris to DET looks like purely a salary dump. 

The Magic are in a strange position.  They brought in Skiles to compete and they were earlier in the year when they were playing their vets, but they started losing some games and it was like the staff was given the directive that, if they were gonna lose games, they shouldd lose with their youngsters. As an organization, they’ve chosen development (for the umpteenth year in a row) over competing for the playoffs, hence clearing more minutes for Gordon.  At this juncture, I’d completely eliminate them from playoff contention.

On the flipside, DET gets a steal, but there is some overlap with Morris andd Harris.  Whether he starts or not, they get a big scoring boost to their bench which was sorely needed.

 

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Jennings and illyasova both have expiring deals. I don’t really see Orlando keeping either one beyond this season.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 This will open up more mins for hezonja, who I think Orlando believes is their SF of the future anyway. I think that’s the primary reason this deal was made.

[TWILL123Participant]

 Think Orlando is definitely going to make another move. I’ve seen Oladipo’s name mentioned a lot, but the only way I see them giving him up is if they decide to go full tank mode the second half of the season and trade him for a veteran and some draft picks. 

[TWILL123Participant]

 Think Orlando is definitely going to make another move. I’ve seen Oladipo’s name mentioned a lot, but the only way I see them giving him up is if they decide to go full tank mode the second half of the season and trade him for a veteran and some draft picks. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Detroit wins this trade, makes me think more trades are coming for Orlando, lots of guards. So is Marcus Morris playing the 4 now with Tobias at 3 and Stanley off the bench?

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

 I wouldn’t be surprised if SVG experiments with some Small Ball by puttinh Stanley at the 3 and Harris at the 4 in stretches.

 

 

 

[Wavy BagelsParticipant]

 I wouldn’t be surprised if SVG experiments with some Small Ball by puttinh Stanley at the 3 and Harris at the 4 in stretches.

 

 

 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 Detroit wins this trade, makes me think more trades are coming for Orlando, lots of guards. So is Marcus Morris playing the 4 now with Tobias at 3 and Stanley off the bench?

[hoffmanm6Participant]

I think I like this trade. I thought both teams would make moves so their rookies, Mario and Stanley, could get more playing time and be inserted into the starting lineups. Detroit adding Harris gives them a very balanced lineup with different options on offense. Stanley will still get his minutes as I see Detroit playing small ball for the remainder of the season.

As for Mario, I see him getting a ton of more minutes and hopefully getting a chance to start at the SF position. The only question I have about Mario is can he defend the SF position? I know he has the size but does he have the toughness. 

 

Could Payton now be on the move? Would Philly or NY make a move for him? I would rather have Dennis Schroder than Payton. 

 

Interesting trade, should help both teams out in a positive way, both for now and the future. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[hoffmanm6Participant]

I think I like this trade. I thought both teams would make moves so their rookies, Mario and Stanley, could get more playing time and be inserted into the starting lineups. Detroit adding Harris gives them a very balanced lineup with different options on offense. Stanley will still get his minutes as I see Detroit playing small ball for the remainder of the season.

As for Mario, I see him getting a ton of more minutes and hopefully getting a chance to start at the SF position. The only question I have about Mario is can he defend the SF position? I know he has the size but does he have the toughness. 

 

Could Payton now be on the move? Would Philly or NY make a move for him? I would rather have Dennis Schroder than Payton. 

 

Interesting trade, should help both teams out in a positive way, both for now and the future. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 I don’t see why the Magic would choose to make this trade either. Perhaps as everyone is suggesting another move will be happening shortly for them. Great pickup for Stan Van Gundy, Tobias Harris should be really good for them.

[Very Busey]

 You can’t see why Orlando would want to unload Harris’ long term contract, when they get similar production from guys on rookie contracts?

They’re lucky they found a taker.

 

[Very Busey]

 You can’t see why Orlando would want to unload Harris’ long term contract, when they get similar production from guys on rookie contracts?

They’re lucky they found a taker.

 

[220Participant]

 I don’t see why the Magic would choose to make this trade either. Perhaps as everyone is suggesting another move will be happening shortly for them. Great pickup for Stan Van Gundy, Tobias Harris should be really good for them.

[bmac697Participant]

I guess the magic really wanted to keep Fournier, can’t blame them, hes been playing very well this year.

But will he be the starting SF now? I dont watch enough magic games to know, but having a gaurd rotation of olidpo, fournier and hezonja isnt that bad.

I like the trade overall, its a win win for each team, but detriot obviously got the best player. But this way the magic have cap space to re sign their own.

[Very Busey]

 I could see Orlando trading Oladipo and Payton for Jeff Teague. 

[Very Busey]

 I could see Orlando trading Oladipo and Payton for Jeff Teague. 

[bmac697Participant]

I guess the magic really wanted to keep Fournier, can’t blame them, hes been playing very well this year.

But will he be the starting SF now? I dont watch enough magic games to know, but having a gaurd rotation of olidpo, fournier and hezonja isnt that bad.

I like the trade overall, its a win win for each team, but detriot obviously got the best player. But this way the magic have cap space to re sign their own.

[thaprodigyParticipant]

 Man, Orlando got fleeced. I’m guessing their thinking was they didn’t want to take on any real players in order to get some extended play for Gordon and Hezonja but still, you gotta get somet type of pick in return. 

As a side note deals like this make me wonder what other GM’s are doing on the phones sometimes.

[thaprodigyParticipant]

 Man, Orlando got fleeced. I’m guessing their thinking was they didn’t want to take on any real players in order to get some extended play for Gordon and Hezonja but still, you gotta get somet type of pick in return. 

As a side note deals like this make me wonder what other GM’s are doing on the phones sometimes.

[The GoatParticipant]

id use Payton or Oladipo to get Noel from Philly 

Noel Vucevic Hezonja Fournier and a lottery pick PG (or Simmons!) would be interesting

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

id use Payton or Oladipo to get Noel from Philly 

Noel Vucevic Hezonja Fournier and a lottery pick PG (or Simmons!) would be interesting

 

 

[eXKaliberParticipant]

If Orlando is truly going into tank mode, Philly needs to pick the phone up ASAP.  Dipo + Frye to Philly for Carl Landry + Jerami Grant (non-guaranteed salary)+ Philly pick from the Heat (Currently slotted at 21). Philadelphia snags a solid, young wing scorer/playmaker and Orlando is able to unload Frye’s contract and get a decent pick in return. Obviously not a huge return for Oladipo, but Orlando destryoed his value when they took him out of the starting lineup.  Who says no?

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h82w6h3

 

 

[connybucketsParticipant]

 Orlando would get robbed in that situation 

[connybucketsParticipant]

 Orlando would get robbed in that situation 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Oladipo was already doing a fine job destroying his own value by himself as a starter.  He had a horrible start to the season.  The Payton/ Oladipo pairing is clearly not a good one since neither shoot it well and both are pretty worthless off the ball.  In fact,  if you look at his season splits, VO was much more valuable to the Magic and had a greater impact on winning when he was coming off the bench.

I’ve hated the way Oladipo was developed.  Them putting the ball in his hands in attempt to groom him as a PG was a horrible mistake IMO.  All it did was make him develop bad habits.  He’s ball-dominant without being a good decision maker, he overdribbles, takes bad shots off the bounce, etc.  He’s just developed into a super erratic player.  If you remember his last year at Indiana, the reason why he shot up the boards wasn’t just because of his athleticism and defense, but because he was ultra efficient too.  If he was developed according to his strengths, as opposed to trying to force him to become something that he wasn’t, he would be a much better, more valuable player by now.  He was never meant to be a high usage offensive player which is what they tried to turn him into.  Now he thinks that’s what he should be and looks like an idiot trying to play that role.

But to answer your question, ORL says no.  VO is still on a rookie contract so there’s no reason to sell low.

 

[GBeeParticipant]

 Oladipo was already doing a fine job destroying his own value by himself as a starter.  He had a horrible start to the season.  The Payton/ Oladipo pairing is clearly not a good one since neither shoot it well and both are pretty worthless off the ball.  In fact,  if you look at his season splits, VO was much more valuable to the Magic and had a greater impact on winning when he was coming off the bench.

I’ve hated the way Oladipo was developed.  Them putting the ball in his hands in attempt to groom him as a PG was a horrible mistake IMO.  All it did was make him develop bad habits.  He’s ball-dominant without being a good decision maker, he overdribbles, takes bad shots off the bounce, etc.  He’s just developed into a super erratic player.  If you remember his last year at Indiana, the reason why he shot up the boards wasn’t just because of his athleticism and defense, but because he was ultra efficient too.  If he was developed according to his strengths, as opposed to trying to force him to become something that he wasn’t, he would be a much better, more valuable player by now.  He was never meant to be a high usage offensive player which is what they tried to turn him into.  Now he thinks that’s what he should be and looks like an idiot trying to play that role.

But to answer your question, ORL says no.  VO is still on a rookie contract so there’s no reason to sell low.

 

[eXKaliberParticipant]

If Orlando is truly going into tank mode, Philly needs to pick the phone up ASAP.  Dipo + Frye to Philly for Carl Landry + Jerami Grant (non-guaranteed salary)+ Philly pick from the Heat (Currently slotted at 21). Philadelphia snags a solid, young wing scorer/playmaker and Orlando is able to unload Frye’s contract and get a decent pick in return. Obviously not a huge return for Oladipo, but Orlando destryoed his value when they took him out of the starting lineup.  Who says no?

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h82w6h3

 

 

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

 Maybe Orlando is just trying to clear cap space…Jennings is a free agent this off season and Ilyasova is a team option I believe

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Makes sense since this Free Agency is supposed to be a big one… The Magic could be trying to lure some top talent over there.

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Makes sense since this Free Agency is supposed to be a big one… The Magic could be trying to lure some top talent over there.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

 Maybe Orlando is just trying to clear cap space…Jennings is a free agent this off season and Ilyasova is a team option I believe

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Orlando could have let Harris go for nothing, and now they keep him around to move him for expiring contracts which could be ike letting Harris go for nothing.

Harris was overpaid, and Orlando do have two or three players who are cheaper at the moment and are either better or better in some areas of their play.

Most would have thought Orlando could have at least got a second or rounder or two in the deal.  

This does make Orlando a team with mroe cap room for summer than most others.

For Detroit, they got a young forward for two players who may not have been there next season.  

Getting free agents to Detroit is not easy for them, so maybe the idea of cap room for them in the summer was traded for Harris now.

Right now, Josh Smith is the highest paid player on the Pistons.  When the trade is official, Harris will be their top earner.  Obviously Smith was waived but on the cap he is still counted.

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 Orlando could have let Harris go for nothing, and now they keep him around to move him for expiring contracts which could be ike letting Harris go for nothing.

Harris was overpaid, and Orlando do have two or three players who are cheaper at the moment and are either better or better in some areas of their play.

Most would have thought Orlando could have at least got a second or rounder or two in the deal.  

This does make Orlando a team with mroe cap room for summer than most others.

For Detroit, they got a young forward for two players who may not have been there next season.  

Getting free agents to Detroit is not easy for them, so maybe the idea of cap room for them in the summer was traded for Harris now.

Right now, Josh Smith is the highest paid player on the Pistons.  When the trade is official, Harris will be their top earner.  Obviously Smith was waived but on the cap he is still counted.

 

 

 

 

[phila9012Participant]

 It is weird for orlando to go for cap room. There are going to be many other teams who have cap room this summer, they aren’t going to orlando. Tobias is on a decent contract since the cap is going up. Detroit is on to something. If Morris, Harris or Johnson breaks out or makes a leap, they could be contenders for the next 5 or 6 years. I am surprised that Van Gundy was able to get the team to this point this fast. All of their best players are 25 and under with room to grow.

[phila9012Participant]

 It is weird for orlando to go for cap room. There are going to be many other teams who have cap room this summer, they aren’t going to orlando. Tobias is on a decent contract since the cap is going up. Detroit is on to something. If Morris, Harris or Johnson breaks out or makes a leap, they could be contenders for the next 5 or 6 years. I am surprised that Van Gundy was able to get the team to this point this fast. All of their best players are 25 and under with room to grow.

[r377Participant]

As a pistons fan I am not a huge fan of this trade.

Tobias Harris is now locked up for $16mill per year. Is he really worth $16mill per year ? I don’t think so. He is a bit one dimensional. At $16 mill per year, Marcus Morris $6 mill seems like a bargain….

I actually like Ersan. Ersan was a good teammate. He was a willing passer, he tried on the defensive end. Was always stepping in and taking charges. His 3 pt % was better than Tobias Harris, he is also a bigger to guard Power Forwards.

They now have 3 guys at the SF position. I know Harris will play some PF with this small ball fad and Stanley Johnson can play some SG, but technically you have 3 guys who best play at SF.

I really thought they could have used a decent SG. Why did they not go after Courtney Lee ?

I also read the Pistons are trying to get back DJ Augustine.

[r377Participant]

As a pistons fan I am not a huge fan of this trade.

Tobias Harris is now locked up for $16mill per year. Is he really worth $16mill per year ? I don’t think so. He is a bit one dimensional. At $16 mill per year, Marcus Morris $6 mill seems like a bargain….

I actually like Ersan. Ersan was a good teammate. He was a willing passer, he tried on the defensive end. Was always stepping in and taking charges. His 3 pt % was better than Tobias Harris, he is also a bigger to guard Power Forwards.

They now have 3 guys at the SF position. I know Harris will play some PF with this small ball fad and Stanley Johnson can play some SG, but technically you have 3 guys who best play at SF.

I really thought they could have used a decent SG. Why did they not go after Courtney Lee ?

I also read the Pistons are trying to get back DJ Augustine.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I don’t get it either. From what I heard Detroit wanted a stretch four in the rashard lewis-ryan Anderson mode to pair with Drummond. Harris is a good player but he doesn’t fit that prototype. Hes a smart player who can score the ball and has good basketball instincts, but he’s kind of a tweener who isn’t a knock down shooter or floor spacer by any stretch of the imagination. Now you are committed to him for the next three years, presumably as your starting pf. Just seems like kind of a strange fit.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I don’t get it either. From what I heard Detroit wanted a stretch four in the rashard lewis-ryan Anderson mode to pair with Drummond. Harris is a good player but he doesn’t fit that prototype. Hes a smart player who can score the ball and has good basketball instincts, but he’s kind of a tweener who isn’t a knock down shooter or floor spacer by any stretch of the imagination. Now you are committed to him for the next three years, presumably as your starting pf. Just seems like kind of a strange fit.

[phila9012Participant]

 The magic didn’t really have shooters. Harris is going to get open shots off of the jackson-drummond pick and role. 

[phila9012Participant]

 The magic didn’t really have shooters. Harris is going to get open shots off of the jackson-drummond pick and role. 

[KHAM83Participant]

 I don’t get the hate for Orlando here. Orlando is looking for a more athletic running team, Harris didn’t fit. He’s a talent yes, and his once overpaid contract would soon seen decent when the cap goes up, but Orlando got two needs immediately: a veteran pg that can shoot and another big to space the floor, which they thought they had with Frye. Jennings is a stop gap as Payton hopefully improves his shot next season. Orlando is currently better suited to make a playoffs run, while opening up cap space this Summer. I can see them pursuing Horford or Ryan Anderson. Bigs that can stretch the floor yet reboun (Vuvecic, Illysova, Horford/Anderson), wings that can slash (Dipo, Fournier, Hezonja), and Payton. Looks dangerous. 

I just think Orlando could have demanded Detroit pick, lotto protected as well. Detroit needed this deal more than they did. With Detroit pick, and possibly their own lottery pick, they have ammo to make moves this Summer.

 

 

 

 

[KHAM83Participant]

 I don’t get the hate for Orlando here. Orlando is looking for a more athletic running team, Harris didn’t fit. He’s a talent yes, and his once overpaid contract would soon seen decent when the cap goes up, but Orlando got two needs immediately: a veteran pg that can shoot and another big to space the floor, which they thought they had with Frye. Jennings is a stop gap as Payton hopefully improves his shot next season. Orlando is currently better suited to make a playoffs run, while opening up cap space this Summer. I can see them pursuing Horford or Ryan Anderson. Bigs that can stretch the floor yet reboun (Vuvecic, Illysova, Horford/Anderson), wings that can slash (Dipo, Fournier, Hezonja), and Payton. Looks dangerous. 

I just think Orlando could have demanded Detroit pick, lotto protected as well. Detroit needed this deal more than they did. With Detroit pick, and possibly their own lottery pick, they have ammo to make moves this Summer.

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

I think its a great trade for both teams. For the Magic Skiles and Jennings is a match made in heaven and Ilyasova is like a poor mans Tobias Harris. With Harris’s role diminishing Orlando drops an unnecessary contract while replacing his role and adding a familiar face to the system. 

For the Pistons they add the much needed combo forward into the lineup they were looking for when signing Ilyasova in the first place and also give Jackson the green light to run the team and grow in that role.

 Im a believer in Harris and the fact that he still has untapped potential. There is a very interesting article online suggesting he was the NBAs most underrated player last year. I’ll post the full link for those who are interested but here’s a tidbit I found interesting as well. 

 http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/Hiding Among the Game’s Elite Let’s see which NBA forwards have produced like a superstar VF (versatile forward) this season. The elite VFs must be able to score and rebound. They must also be able to shoot 3s. This season, only six players averaged at least 15 points and 6 rebounds per game, while also shooting 35% (on at least two 3-point attempts per game). Only six VFs met these minimum requirements. They were Love, Millsap, Bosh, Durant, LeBron, and our mystery man. Who might be missing? This grossly undervalued NBA player is not only among the NBA’s elite VFs, but also the youngest by four years to make the list. This player is only the 4th player in the last five seasons to meet the minimum requirements outlined above while still 22 years old or younger. The others were Love, Durant and George. The NBA’s most underrated player is Tobias Harris.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

I think its a great trade for both teams. For the Magic Skiles and Jennings is a match made in heaven and Ilyasova is like a poor mans Tobias Harris. With Harris’s role diminishing Orlando drops an unnecessary contract while replacing his role and adding a familiar face to the system. 

For the Pistons they add the much needed combo forward into the lineup they were looking for when signing Ilyasova in the first place and also give Jackson the green light to run the team and grow in that role.

 Im a believer in Harris and the fact that he still has untapped potential. There is a very interesting article online suggesting he was the NBAs most underrated player last year. I’ll post the full link for those who are interested but here’s a tidbit I found interesting as well. 

 http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/05/06/the-nbas-most-underrated-player/Hiding Among the Game’s Elite Let’s see which NBA forwards have produced like a superstar VF (versatile forward) this season. The elite VFs must be able to score and rebound. They must also be able to shoot 3s. This season, only six players averaged at least 15 points and 6 rebounds per game, while also shooting 35% (on at least two 3-point attempts per game). Only six VFs met these minimum requirements. They were Love, Millsap, Bosh, Durant, LeBron, and our mystery man. Who might be missing? This grossly undervalued NBA player is not only among the NBA’s elite VFs, but also the youngest by four years to make the list. This player is only the 4th player in the last five seasons to meet the minimum requirements outlined above while still 22 years old or younger. The others were Love, Durant and George. The NBA’s most underrated player is Tobias Harris.

 

 

[Very Busey]

 pretty arbitrary way of determining most underrated player.

[Very Busey]

 pretty arbitrary way of determining most underrated player.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

Yeah I didn’t necessarily agree with the article but some good points are made. The NBA has transitioned to more 3-pointers shot and smallball or versatile forwards are a big part of that. But I’m preaching to the quior here because you are the nbadraft.net legend that invented the OE-40-oz Olynyk effect. You can make the same argument for Olynyk really if you wanted too but who’s got time for that.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

Yeah I didn’t necessarily agree with the article but some good points are made. The NBA has transitioned to more 3-pointers shot and smallball or versatile forwards are a big part of that. But I’m preaching to the quior here because you are the nbadraft.net legend that invented the OE-40-oz Olynyk effect. You can make the same argument for Olynyk really if you wanted too but who’s got time for that.

[BennyLogParticipant]

 Not getting all the hate for the magic either. Harris just didnt really fit with skiles style and while some say hes underrated i believe hes overrated based on potential just because he his only 23. His ceiling is just not that high. They took a chance paying him to get another year to look at him and realized he doesnt fit. They had to give the money to someone and its off the books after this year.not a huge loss considering the upside. Ilyasova i think is on a favorable contract and jennings is still only 26 so if he fully heals from his achilles injury he could still be a solid player this year. the magic still have a shot to make the playoffs but i personally think they need to play their young guys. Which was probably the second biggest reason for the trade besides a salary dump

[BennyLogParticipant]

 Not getting all the hate for the magic either. Harris just didnt really fit with skiles style and while some say hes underrated i believe hes overrated based on potential just because he his only 23. His ceiling is just not that high. They took a chance paying him to get another year to look at him and realized he doesnt fit. They had to give the money to someone and its off the books after this year.not a huge loss considering the upside. Ilyasova i think is on a favorable contract and jennings is still only 26 so if he fully heals from his achilles injury he could still be a solid player this year. the magic still have a shot to make the playoffs but i personally think they need to play their young guys. Which was probably the second biggest reason for the trade besides a salary dump

[The GoatParticipant]

Ive had a bit more time to think this over and digest it, think i see why both teams have done it. It really is a win for both teams. 

Detroit get Harris who is young, versatile and talented. They didnt want to be put under financial stress dealing with Jennings or Ilyasova in free agency, but didnt wanna lose them for nothing either, so it works for them. They improve if Harris does. 

The Magic meanwhile can look at it like this – they rid themselves of a $64 million investment currently returning 13ppg, get back the financial freedom to re-sign Fournier and get 2 players that could each very easily average 13ppg themselves without being obliged to keep them beyond this year. Most importantly they get more available playing time for Hezonja, who is going to be fantastic in the next few years. Thats a massive win overall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

Ive had a bit more time to think this over and digest it, think i see why both teams have done it. It really is a win for both teams. 

Detroit get Harris who is young, versatile and talented. They didnt want to be put under financial stress dealing with Jennings or Ilyasova in free agency, but didnt wanna lose them for nothing either, so it works for them. They improve if Harris does. 

The Magic meanwhile can look at it like this – they rid themselves of a $64 million investment currently returning 13ppg, get back the financial freedom to re-sign Fournier and get 2 players that could each very easily average 13ppg themselves without being obliged to keep them beyond this year. Most importantly they get more available playing time for Hezonja, who is going to be fantastic in the next few years. Thats a massive win overall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[wildpfingParticipant]

I’ll admit, I’m biased because I’m a Magic fan, but if you actually watched their games, you’d see why they made the trade. Tobias is a good offensive player but not a very good defender. He was too slow to guard the 3 and not quite big enough to guard the 4. He will work out in Detroit because he will have the Drummond safety net if he is beat off the dribble. The Magic don’t have a true shot blocker (besides maybe Gordon) so Tobias was helping us slightly on offense, but hurting us more on defense. Plus we get more minutes for mighty Mario who, as others have noted, has been playing very well lately. I think this trade makes us deeper and more dangerous. I’m excited to see the next 30 games.

[wildpfingParticipant]

I’ll admit, I’m biased because I’m a Magic fan, but if you actually watched their games, you’d see why they made the trade. Tobias is a good offensive player but not a very good defender. He was too slow to guard the 3 and not quite big enough to guard the 4. He will work out in Detroit because he will have the Drummond safety net if he is beat off the dribble. The Magic don’t have a true shot blocker (besides maybe Gordon) so Tobias was helping us slightly on offense, but hurting us more on defense. Plus we get more minutes for mighty Mario who, as others have noted, has been playing very well lately. I think this trade makes us deeper and more dangerous. I’m excited to see the next 30 games.

[HadzialijagicParticipant]

 So glad the pistons traded for Harris. I was really scared we were going to end up paying Ryan Anderson $20 mill a year, that guy is a pussy and useless on defense. Harris is much better in my opinion and his contract is going to be extremely reasonable once the new salary cap is intact. He’s going to 16mil and 14.8 mil his last 2 years. 

[HadzialijagicParticipant]

 So glad the pistons traded for Harris. I was really scared we were going to end up paying Ryan Anderson $20 mill a year, that guy is a pussy and useless on defense. Harris is much better in my opinion and his contract is going to be extremely reasonable once the new salary cap is intact. He’s going to 16mil and 14.8 mil his last 2 years. 

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