[jaysmith1987Participant]

I think it’s about time Harrison Barnes gets removed from the top spot on the mock draft.  It is clear he is not ready for the nba as it looks hes not dominating in college or at least being good on a consistent basis.  He is clearly a product of the hype machine.  Maybe with two years in college he can be a high pick but from his play so far he is definately not worthy of a top pick.  If a team was drafting for potential then Perry Jones has to go number one and the only reason Perry Jones wasn’t projected to go number one is because he was thought to be a more long term project but by seeing Harrison Barnes play he is just as far off as Perry Jones if not farther.  If we are going of production now the number one pick has to be Terrence Jones from Uk.  He has been one of the big name freshman to come in and truly dominate on consistant basis and if you take a look back on the number one picks for the last three years they have at least had a big impact on college hoops.  Harrison Barnes just doesn’t fit that motto and honestly if he came out this year he probably drops to late first round.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Your comment is a bit extreme..Saying he’ll drop to late 1st round…Harrison was over hyped from the beginning..And with media outlets having him number 1 on their mocks and getting named a 1st team All American didnt help either..

People expected him to have the kind of breakout freshman year that guys like Durant & Beasley had…But you can see he has the talent to be a special player…If he hadnt came in with all the expectations,and was ranked the 40 best recruit..People might be saying how good that kid Barnes look and he has the potential to be a great pro….He’s going to need time to get comfortable with college life,the system and a demanding coach….I still think if he came out next year he’ll be a top 3 pick…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Your comment is a bit extreme..Saying he’ll drop to late 1st round…Harrison was over hyped from the beginning..And with media outlets having him number 1 on their mocks and getting named a 1st team All American didnt help either..

People expected him to have the kind of breakout freshman year that guys like Durant & Beasley had…But you can see he has the talent to be a special player…If he hadnt came in with all the expectations,and was ranked the 40 best recruit..People might be saying how good that kid Barnes look and he has the potential to be a great pro….He’s going to need time to get comfortable with college life,the system and a demanding coach….I still think if he came out next year he’ll be a top 3 pick…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Your comment is a bit extreme..Saying he’ll drop to late 1st round…Harrison was over hyped from the beginning..And with media outlets having him number 1 on their mocks and getting named a 1st team All American didnt help either..

People expected him to have the kind of breakout freshman year that guys like Durant & Beasley had…But you can see he has the talent to be a special player…If he hadnt came in with all the expectations,and was ranked the 40 best recruit..People might be saying how good that kid Barnes look and he has the potential to be a great pro….He’s going to need time to get comfortable with college life,the system and a demanding coach….I still think if he came out next year he’ll be a top 3 pick…

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

jaysmith1987, make your prediction

Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes, who do you think will have a better NBA career?

Barnes might not have been great so far, but I am sure not going to be impressed by anyone playing against East Tennessee State or padding a stat line when his team is down 15-20 points to UConn.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

jaysmith1987, make your prediction

Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes, who do you think will have a better NBA career?

Barnes might not have been great so far, but I am sure not going to be impressed by anyone playing against East Tennessee State or padding a stat line when his team is down 15-20 points to UConn.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

jaysmith1987, make your prediction

Terrence Jones or Harrison Barnes, who do you think will have a better NBA career?

Barnes might not have been great so far, but I am sure not going to be impressed by anyone playing against East Tennessee State or padding a stat line when his team is down 15-20 points to UConn.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

No way he drops to late first round. The hype he received coming into UNC will not allow that to happen. Regarless of how he plays, I think he will at least be a top 10 pick. And he still has a chance to go #1.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

No way he drops to late first round. The hype he received coming into UNC will not allow that to happen. Regarless of how he plays, I think he will at least be a top 10 pick. And he still has a chance to go #1.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

No way he drops to late first round. The hype he received coming into UNC will not allow that to happen. Regarless of how he plays, I think he will at least be a top 10 pick. And he still has a chance to go #1.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you that if he stays another year he is likely to be a top ten pick.  As of right now i think he is late lotto pick but I dont think he comes out this year based on the year he is having.  Also he might be better but the system could be holding him back its hard to believe the same guy who was dominating at the all american games can play so mediocre.  Right now Tlyer Zeller is looking like the best player on that team.  Your right the preseason hype did not help the kid.  He should have picked a different school on average players who play for Roy Williams don’t pan out look at Sean May, Rashard Mccants, and Raymond Felton.  Yes they all made the pros but not one has been the star they were supposed to be.  When Ray Felton came out of high school he was one of top players and was really good in college.  If you look at a coach like John Calipari his last two classes have produced two rookie of the years and Derrick Rose is turning into a superstar.  Some coaches are just better at developing talent for the next level and some are great at winning at the college level.  Eventually Harrison Barnes will be a good player but I think his ceiling is more Loul Deng than Melo or Durant.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you that if he stays another year he is likely to be a top ten pick.  As of right now i think he is late lotto pick but I dont think he comes out this year based on the year he is having.  Also he might be better but the system could be holding him back its hard to believe the same guy who was dominating at the all american games can play so mediocre.  Right now Tlyer Zeller is looking like the best player on that team.  Your right the preseason hype did not help the kid.  He should have picked a different school on average players who play for Roy Williams don’t pan out look at Sean May, Rashard Mccants, and Raymond Felton.  Yes they all made the pros but not one has been the star they were supposed to be.  When Ray Felton came out of high school he was one of top players and was really good in college.  If you look at a coach like John Calipari his last two classes have produced two rookie of the years and Derrick Rose is turning into a superstar.  Some coaches are just better at developing talent for the next level and some are great at winning at the college level.  Eventually Harrison Barnes will be a good player but I think his ceiling is more Loul Deng than Melo or Durant.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you that if he stays another year he is likely to be a top ten pick.  As of right now i think he is late lotto pick but I dont think he comes out this year based on the year he is having.  Also he might be better but the system could be holding him back its hard to believe the same guy who was dominating at the all american games can play so mediocre.  Right now Tlyer Zeller is looking like the best player on that team.  Your right the preseason hype did not help the kid.  He should have picked a different school on average players who play for Roy Williams don’t pan out look at Sean May, Rashard Mccants, and Raymond Felton.  Yes they all made the pros but not one has been the star they were supposed to be.  When Ray Felton came out of high school he was one of top players and was really good in college.  If you look at a coach like John Calipari his last two classes have produced two rookie of the years and Derrick Rose is turning into a superstar.  Some coaches are just better at developing talent for the next level and some are great at winning at the college level.  Eventually Harrison Barnes will be a good player but I think his ceiling is more Loul Deng than Melo or Durant.

[canesboy6Participant]

Your tarded brudda. He is a top 5 lock whenever he leaves. NBA scouts dont care about college stats, especially for freshman, and they certainly dont jump the gun 5 games into a season on anybody. Let it ride out and see where his stock is at. With his physical tools, size, and game, he will always be a top 5 pick whenever he wants to.

[canesboy6Participant]

Your tarded brudda. He is a top 5 lock whenever he leaves. NBA scouts dont care about college stats, especially for freshman, and they certainly dont jump the gun 5 games into a season on anybody. Let it ride out and see where his stock is at. With his physical tools, size, and game, he will always be a top 5 pick whenever he wants to.

[canesboy6Participant]

Your tarded brudda. He is a top 5 lock whenever he leaves. NBA scouts dont care about college stats, especially for freshman, and they certainly dont jump the gun 5 games into a season on anybody. Let it ride out and see where his stock is at. With his physical tools, size, and game, he will always be a top 5 pick whenever he wants to.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I believe Terrence Jones has the better career based on an advanced post game the ability to shoot the three.  If he fixes his free throws hes gonna be big time and you said he padded his stats verses Uconn but he had ten in the first half and the game was close until he came out.  Not to mention Uconn is alot better than expected and they did beat Michigan State.  Right now North Carolina isn’t looking that much better than last year and 11 points against UncAshville isnt very impressive.  Neither is overly athletic so it comes down to skill and consistency and the gives edge to Terrence Jones.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I believe Terrence Jones has the better career based on an advanced post game the ability to shoot the three.  If he fixes his free throws hes gonna be big time and you said he padded his stats verses Uconn but he had ten in the first half and the game was close until he came out.  Not to mention Uconn is alot better than expected and they did beat Michigan State.  Right now North Carolina isn’t looking that much better than last year and 11 points against UncAshville isnt very impressive.  Neither is overly athletic so it comes down to skill and consistency and the gives edge to Terrence Jones.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I believe Terrence Jones has the better career based on an advanced post game the ability to shoot the three.  If he fixes his free throws hes gonna be big time and you said he padded his stats verses Uconn but he had ten in the first half and the game was close until he came out.  Not to mention Uconn is alot better than expected and they did beat Michigan State.  Right now North Carolina isn’t looking that much better than last year and 11 points against UncAshville isnt very impressive.  Neither is overly athletic so it comes down to skill and consistency and the gives edge to Terrence Jones.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Is basketball more about hype than production now days.  I understand everyone before the season was all over Harrison Barnes as the got next kid.  Fact is hes not ready it be one thing if he was doing what he is now on a dominant winning team but his team is mediocre as we seen in their losses.  Fact is his team needs someone to take over to win games and hes not that guy.  Crazy thing is they were tryna compare him to jordan in the summer sometimes its better to make predictions after the players play.  Also a resent example of a player being super skilled and projected to be number one in future on this sight Josh Mcroberts fell all the way to second round and look at him now and He was a big man with the altheticism to go with it sometimes these kids peek early or look really great against inferior competition.  Fact is some people just max out in high school.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Is basketball more about hype than production now days.  I understand everyone before the season was all over Harrison Barnes as the got next kid.  Fact is hes not ready it be one thing if he was doing what he is now on a dominant winning team but his team is mediocre as we seen in their losses.  Fact is his team needs someone to take over to win games and hes not that guy.  Crazy thing is they were tryna compare him to jordan in the summer sometimes its better to make predictions after the players play.  Also a resent example of a player being super skilled and projected to be number one in future on this sight Josh Mcroberts fell all the way to second round and look at him now and He was a big man with the altheticism to go with it sometimes these kids peek early or look really great against inferior competition.  Fact is some people just max out in high school.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Is basketball more about hype than production now days.  I understand everyone before the season was all over Harrison Barnes as the got next kid.  Fact is hes not ready it be one thing if he was doing what he is now on a dominant winning team but his team is mediocre as we seen in their losses.  Fact is his team needs someone to take over to win games and hes not that guy.  Crazy thing is they were tryna compare him to jordan in the summer sometimes its better to make predictions after the players play.  Also a resent example of a player being super skilled and projected to be number one in future on this sight Josh Mcroberts fell all the way to second round and look at him now and He was a big man with the altheticism to go with it sometimes these kids peek early or look really great against inferior competition.  Fact is some people just max out in high school.

[JNixonParticipant]

I doubt Terrence Jones becomes a better pro than Harrison Barnes. His post game isn’t that advanced and his ability to shoot the 3 isn’t that great either. Barnes is more skilled than Jones is and he’s more athletic too, Jones just has more size. Mix that with his fluidity and quickness (both are just solid for NBA standards, but better than the vast majority of college PF’s) allows him to be a mismatch at this level. Think about the way Jones projects and how Barnes projects to the NBA, and it’s obvious to me that Barnes will have a more seamless adjustment. And that adjustment will be easier to see as the season goes along and Barnes continues to get better.

[JNixonParticipant]

I doubt Terrence Jones becomes a better pro than Harrison Barnes. His post game isn’t that advanced and his ability to shoot the 3 isn’t that great either. Barnes is more skilled than Jones is and he’s more athletic too, Jones just has more size. Mix that with his fluidity and quickness (both are just solid for NBA standards, but better than the vast majority of college PF’s) allows him to be a mismatch at this level. Think about the way Jones projects and how Barnes projects to the NBA, and it’s obvious to me that Barnes will have a more seamless adjustment. And that adjustment will be easier to see as the season goes along and Barnes continues to get better.

[JNixonParticipant]

I doubt Terrence Jones becomes a better pro than Harrison Barnes. His post game isn’t that advanced and his ability to shoot the 3 isn’t that great either. Barnes is more skilled than Jones is and he’s more athletic too, Jones just has more size. Mix that with his fluidity and quickness (both are just solid for NBA standards, but better than the vast majority of college PF’s) allows him to be a mismatch at this level. Think about the way Jones projects and how Barnes projects to the NBA, and it’s obvious to me that Barnes will have a more seamless adjustment. And that adjustment will be easier to see as the season goes along and Barnes continues to get better.

[plasticmanParticipant]

So your using Josh McRoberts to support your arguement?  Really?….It is not time to take Barnes out of the number 1 spot, as a matter of fact its not time to do ANYTHING.  It never ceases to amaze me how reactionary sports fans are.  How can you possibly know how "far off" he is in comparison to other freshmen?  Unless you have access to info we don’t or you are the most brilliant talent evaluater in history, you can’t.  Come on now man your surely you see how premature this all is.  Barnes could easily still be the #1 overall pick.  You see guys start off slow all the time and then find their game later in the season.

 

BTW…McRoberts was never super skilled, he has no post moves to speak of even now.  He was not in Harrison’s league in terms of skills and versatility.

[plasticmanParticipant]

So your using Josh McRoberts to support your arguement?  Really?….It is not time to take Barnes out of the number 1 spot, as a matter of fact its not time to do ANYTHING.  It never ceases to amaze me how reactionary sports fans are.  How can you possibly know how "far off" he is in comparison to other freshmen?  Unless you have access to info we don’t or you are the most brilliant talent evaluater in history, you can’t.  Come on now man your surely you see how premature this all is.  Barnes could easily still be the #1 overall pick.  You see guys start off slow all the time and then find their game later in the season.

 

BTW…McRoberts was never super skilled, he has no post moves to speak of even now.  He was not in Harrison’s league in terms of skills and versatility.

[plasticmanParticipant]

So your using Josh McRoberts to support your arguement?  Really?….It is not time to take Barnes out of the number 1 spot, as a matter of fact its not time to do ANYTHING.  It never ceases to amaze me how reactionary sports fans are.  How can you possibly know how "far off" he is in comparison to other freshmen?  Unless you have access to info we don’t or you are the most brilliant talent evaluater in history, you can’t.  Come on now man your surely you see how premature this all is.  Barnes could easily still be the #1 overall pick.  You see guys start off slow all the time and then find their game later in the season.

 

BTW…McRoberts was never super skilled, he has no post moves to speak of even now.  He was not in Harrison’s league in terms of skills and versatility.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

It’s not the slow start as far as stats go that has me questioning Harrison Barnes it’s the fact his team isn’t winning like expected.  Derrick Rose only averaged like 14points a game his only year in college with about 3 or 4 assistst but what set him apart is his team won and he took over when needed.  Being the number one pick is not about stats but about how you impact the game to make your team win.  Right now Harrison Barnes doesn’t have it .  On another note I believe Terrence Jones will be better Nba Player than Harrison Barnes reason being a player can have all the skills all the althleticism but the thing that sets players apart is the can star player attitude and this kid is a star he may not be the most athletic or fluid but he gets it done and there are many cases of players not considered to be the best athlete who just make it happen in the nba case and point Steve Nash he is not the fastest doesnt jump the highest but he plays smart I believe Terrence Jones just has a better basketball Iq.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

It’s not the slow start as far as stats go that has me questioning Harrison Barnes it’s the fact his team isn’t winning like expected.  Derrick Rose only averaged like 14points a game his only year in college with about 3 or 4 assistst but what set him apart is his team won and he took over when needed.  Being the number one pick is not about stats but about how you impact the game to make your team win.  Right now Harrison Barnes doesn’t have it .  On another note I believe Terrence Jones will be better Nba Player than Harrison Barnes reason being a player can have all the skills all the althleticism but the thing that sets players apart is the can star player attitude and this kid is a star he may not be the most athletic or fluid but he gets it done and there are many cases of players not considered to be the best athlete who just make it happen in the nba case and point Steve Nash he is not the fastest doesnt jump the highest but he plays smart I believe Terrence Jones just has a better basketball Iq.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

It’s not the slow start as far as stats go that has me questioning Harrison Barnes it’s the fact his team isn’t winning like expected.  Derrick Rose only averaged like 14points a game his only year in college with about 3 or 4 assistst but what set him apart is his team won and he took over when needed.  Being the number one pick is not about stats but about how you impact the game to make your team win.  Right now Harrison Barnes doesn’t have it .  On another note I believe Terrence Jones will be better Nba Player than Harrison Barnes reason being a player can have all the skills all the althleticism but the thing that sets players apart is the can star player attitude and this kid is a star he may not be the most athletic or fluid but he gets it done and there are many cases of players not considered to be the best athlete who just make it happen in the nba case and point Steve Nash he is not the fastest doesnt jump the highest but he plays smart I believe Terrence Jones just has a better basketball Iq.

[plasticmanParticipant]

I don’t know about that one, I would say being the number one pick has quite a bit to do with stats, and a lot to do with potential…intagibles and team success is a distant third.  I’m not saying it should be that way but it is…historically anyway.

[plasticmanParticipant]

I don’t know about that one, I would say being the number one pick has quite a bit to do with stats, and a lot to do with potential…intagibles and team success is a distant third.  I’m not saying it should be that way but it is…historically anyway.

[plasticmanParticipant]

I don’t know about that one, I would say being the number one pick has quite a bit to do with stats, and a lot to do with potential…intagibles and team success is a distant third.  I’m not saying it should be that way but it is…historically anyway.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is still the first pick in my mind, because to me it has yet to be taken from him. By that, I mean that all of the freshman and other players who have played overseas/college basketball thus far have yet to show they are superior to Harrison Barnes. You may say that Harrison has yet to show a lot as well, which may be true to an extent, but I think people are still impressed with what they saw from Harrison Barnes throughout his HS career and over the summer. It is much too early for me to place another player ahead of him, because to me nobody has shown me they flat out have the potential to be a better player. In other words, no one has dominated out of the people who have a legitimate shot of taking Harrison’s top spot. I mean, if you want to go by who has performed the best so far, Kemba Walker is probably the first pick in the draft.

Yes, Harrison Barnes did not come in and flat out dominate the dojo, both Terrence Jones and Perry Jones have put up better numbers thus far, but it is not like they have shown they are flat out better players than Harrison Barnes in my opinion. They are taller, they may be more post oriented, but neither are better shooters than Harrison (despite the 0-12 game against Minnesota, the guy has a stroke). He has underachieved in 5 games, but it is not like he has been a non-factor. Give him time, I would give them all time. There have been a number of guys who have started slow and picked up as the season progressed, or even vice versa (I remember Shavlik Randolph starting his career with some huge numbers only to cool down big time). Players always can develop and maybe Harrison Barnes is not as far along as many thought he would be, but to me I still see him as the likely number 1 pick the draft. Terrence Jones is great, but he is kind of a tweener and I do not see him being a flat out better player than Harrison Barnes. I have always thought Terrence might have been the best draft prospect out of this years Kentucky recruiting class, but I still say Barnes is a better NBA prospect. UNC’s problems lie in guard play, but I have a feeling that come ACC play, Barnes will be putting up big numbers. I would be surprised if Perry Jones and Terrence Jones put up the numbers they are putting up now once they start playing in conference. Even still, you pick based on who is the best prospect.

Production means something, it means a great deal, but it is not always a gauge of NBA success. Kevin Durant had an amazing year at Texas, but who won the NPOY next year? Psycho T, who is truly setting the world on fire. Get my drift? These guys have growing pains. Brandon Knight and Harrison Barnes are still just kids, younger than even typical freshman usually are in college. They will take time, but both of them will end up doing very well, they just had exceedingly high expectations to lead two huge programs from the very start. I still think of Harrison Barnes quite highly as a prospect and have a feeling that he will end up showing people why he deserves to be the first pick sooner than later. It has not happened yet, but these posts of criticism over him being the top pick are really premature in my eyes.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is still the first pick in my mind, because to me it has yet to be taken from him. By that, I mean that all of the freshman and other players who have played overseas/college basketball thus far have yet to show they are superior to Harrison Barnes. You may say that Harrison has yet to show a lot as well, which may be true to an extent, but I think people are still impressed with what they saw from Harrison Barnes throughout his HS career and over the summer. It is much too early for me to place another player ahead of him, because to me nobody has shown me they flat out have the potential to be a better player. In other words, no one has dominated out of the people who have a legitimate shot of taking Harrison’s top spot. I mean, if you want to go by who has performed the best so far, Kemba Walker is probably the first pick in the draft.

Yes, Harrison Barnes did not come in and flat out dominate the dojo, both Terrence Jones and Perry Jones have put up better numbers thus far, but it is not like they have shown they are flat out better players than Harrison Barnes in my opinion. They are taller, they may be more post oriented, but neither are better shooters than Harrison (despite the 0-12 game against Minnesota, the guy has a stroke). He has underachieved in 5 games, but it is not like he has been a non-factor. Give him time, I would give them all time. There have been a number of guys who have started slow and picked up as the season progressed, or even vice versa (I remember Shavlik Randolph starting his career with some huge numbers only to cool down big time). Players always can develop and maybe Harrison Barnes is not as far along as many thought he would be, but to me I still see him as the likely number 1 pick the draft. Terrence Jones is great, but he is kind of a tweener and I do not see him being a flat out better player than Harrison Barnes. I have always thought Terrence might have been the best draft prospect out of this years Kentucky recruiting class, but I still say Barnes is a better NBA prospect. UNC’s problems lie in guard play, but I have a feeling that come ACC play, Barnes will be putting up big numbers. I would be surprised if Perry Jones and Terrence Jones put up the numbers they are putting up now once they start playing in conference. Even still, you pick based on who is the best prospect.

Production means something, it means a great deal, but it is not always a gauge of NBA success. Kevin Durant had an amazing year at Texas, but who won the NPOY next year? Psycho T, who is truly setting the world on fire. Get my drift? These guys have growing pains. Brandon Knight and Harrison Barnes are still just kids, younger than even typical freshman usually are in college. They will take time, but both of them will end up doing very well, they just had exceedingly high expectations to lead two huge programs from the very start. I still think of Harrison Barnes quite highly as a prospect and have a feeling that he will end up showing people why he deserves to be the first pick sooner than later. It has not happened yet, but these posts of criticism over him being the top pick are really premature in my eyes.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Is still the first pick in my mind, because to me it has yet to be taken from him. By that, I mean that all of the freshman and other players who have played overseas/college basketball thus far have yet to show they are superior to Harrison Barnes. You may say that Harrison has yet to show a lot as well, which may be true to an extent, but I think people are still impressed with what they saw from Harrison Barnes throughout his HS career and over the summer. It is much too early for me to place another player ahead of him, because to me nobody has shown me they flat out have the potential to be a better player. In other words, no one has dominated out of the people who have a legitimate shot of taking Harrison’s top spot. I mean, if you want to go by who has performed the best so far, Kemba Walker is probably the first pick in the draft.

Yes, Harrison Barnes did not come in and flat out dominate the dojo, both Terrence Jones and Perry Jones have put up better numbers thus far, but it is not like they have shown they are flat out better players than Harrison Barnes in my opinion. They are taller, they may be more post oriented, but neither are better shooters than Harrison (despite the 0-12 game against Minnesota, the guy has a stroke). He has underachieved in 5 games, but it is not like he has been a non-factor. Give him time, I would give them all time. There have been a number of guys who have started slow and picked up as the season progressed, or even vice versa (I remember Shavlik Randolph starting his career with some huge numbers only to cool down big time). Players always can develop and maybe Harrison Barnes is not as far along as many thought he would be, but to me I still see him as the likely number 1 pick the draft. Terrence Jones is great, but he is kind of a tweener and I do not see him being a flat out better player than Harrison Barnes. I have always thought Terrence might have been the best draft prospect out of this years Kentucky recruiting class, but I still say Barnes is a better NBA prospect. UNC’s problems lie in guard play, but I have a feeling that come ACC play, Barnes will be putting up big numbers. I would be surprised if Perry Jones and Terrence Jones put up the numbers they are putting up now once they start playing in conference. Even still, you pick based on who is the best prospect.

Production means something, it means a great deal, but it is not always a gauge of NBA success. Kevin Durant had an amazing year at Texas, but who won the NPOY next year? Psycho T, who is truly setting the world on fire. Get my drift? These guys have growing pains. Brandon Knight and Harrison Barnes are still just kids, younger than even typical freshman usually are in college. They will take time, but both of them will end up doing very well, they just had exceedingly high expectations to lead two huge programs from the very start. I still think of Harrison Barnes quite highly as a prospect and have a feeling that he will end up showing people why he deserves to be the first pick sooner than later. It has not happened yet, but these posts of criticism over him being the top pick are really premature in my eyes.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Physco T won the national Player of the Year the Year after Durant Left and I dont really think you get what im saying Im not saying take him off as number one because he is not dominating its the fact his team is losing to minnesota and vanderbilt two good teams but not teams you lose two if your an elite team.  He doesnt have to have dominating stat to prove he is worth the first pick but his team should at least be winning games they have been losing and if there not winning those games he should be taking over as the number one scoring option because thats what he was billed as.  The thing coming into college was that Perry Jones was the player with the most potential but Harrison Barnes was more Nba ready.  As it turns out they are both developing and Perry Jones is on a better team so it comes down to do you take an 6"11 freak athlete with potential or do you take a 6"8 loul deng clone.  Im sorry but if your picking between two developmental players you normally take the one with the higher ceiling because no one wants to risk picking a future solid player over a future all star game changer.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Physco T won the national Player of the Year the Year after Durant Left and I dont really think you get what im saying Im not saying take him off as number one because he is not dominating its the fact his team is losing to minnesota and vanderbilt two good teams but not teams you lose two if your an elite team.  He doesnt have to have dominating stat to prove he is worth the first pick but his team should at least be winning games they have been losing and if there not winning those games he should be taking over as the number one scoring option because thats what he was billed as.  The thing coming into college was that Perry Jones was the player with the most potential but Harrison Barnes was more Nba ready.  As it turns out they are both developing and Perry Jones is on a better team so it comes down to do you take an 6"11 freak athlete with potential or do you take a 6"8 loul deng clone.  Im sorry but if your picking between two developmental players you normally take the one with the higher ceiling because no one wants to risk picking a future solid player over a future all star game changer.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

Physco T won the national Player of the Year the Year after Durant Left and I dont really think you get what im saying Im not saying take him off as number one because he is not dominating its the fact his team is losing to minnesota and vanderbilt two good teams but not teams you lose two if your an elite team.  He doesnt have to have dominating stat to prove he is worth the first pick but his team should at least be winning games they have been losing and if there not winning those games he should be taking over as the number one scoring option because thats what he was billed as.  The thing coming into college was that Perry Jones was the player with the most potential but Harrison Barnes was more Nba ready.  As it turns out they are both developing and Perry Jones is on a better team so it comes down to do you take an 6"11 freak athlete with potential or do you take a 6"8 loul deng clone.  Im sorry but if your picking between two developmental players you normally take the one with the higher ceiling because no one wants to risk picking a future solid player over a future all star game changer.

[MkadozaParticipant]

You really glossing over the actual play of the two. I question if youve seen either of them play live.

[MkadozaParticipant]

You really glossing over the actual play of the two. I question if youve seen either of them play live.

[MkadozaParticipant]

You really glossing over the actual play of the two. I question if youve seen either of them play live.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I have been saying for half a year now that I think Perry Jones is the best player in this draft and I have been ridiculed because of it.  I also said based on pure ability and athleticism I didn’t see much of a difference between Terrence Jones and Barnes.  While it’s too early to call Barnes a bust or anything less then the 3rd pick in the draft, T.Jones does look like the better prospect thus far.  But I really don’t think either one of them will be anything more then Deng type players in the NBA.  I hope I’m wrong because the Sixers are going to have another high pick so I want these guys to be franchise talents.

Right now the number one pick should be Kyrie Irving.

Followed by Perry Jones

Followed by Sullinger

Followed by Barnes.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I have been saying for half a year now that I think Perry Jones is the best player in this draft and I have been ridiculed because of it.  I also said based on pure ability and athleticism I didn’t see much of a difference between Terrence Jones and Barnes.  While it’s too early to call Barnes a bust or anything less then the 3rd pick in the draft, T.Jones does look like the better prospect thus far.  But I really don’t think either one of them will be anything more then Deng type players in the NBA.  I hope I’m wrong because the Sixers are going to have another high pick so I want these guys to be franchise talents.

Right now the number one pick should be Kyrie Irving.

Followed by Perry Jones

Followed by Sullinger

Followed by Barnes.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I have been saying for half a year now that I think Perry Jones is the best player in this draft and I have been ridiculed because of it.  I also said based on pure ability and athleticism I didn’t see much of a difference between Terrence Jones and Barnes.  While it’s too early to call Barnes a bust or anything less then the 3rd pick in the draft, T.Jones does look like the better prospect thus far.  But I really don’t think either one of them will be anything more then Deng type players in the NBA.  I hope I’m wrong because the Sixers are going to have another high pick so I want these guys to be franchise talents.

Right now the number one pick should be Kyrie Irving.

Followed by Perry Jones

Followed by Sullinger

Followed by Barnes.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you completely except to me the order of the picks depend on who has the first pick and my thing is if Terrence Jones and Barnes are similar players but Terrence Jones is more productive why not pick Terrence Jones. Barnes only big game has come against Hofstra Lol and he is 38percent from the feild while Terrence Jones has better percent and at one point against Uconn was 4-4 from three and they beat a top 15 team this year in washington already and Terrence Jone is having the Melo type fresman season so far with 20 a game 50 percent from the field and ten boards a game to go with it.  Some compare Jones to Lamar Odom with more heart and Odom is a really good player in his own right so you take that talent and put a fire behind it maybe we have  a great player.  Yes Barnes looks fluid playing the game and has Kobe manerisms and moves that make you think hes the next superstar but hes not there yet maybe he is worth a top 10 pick this year but if he stays another year maybe two and develops then he will be a possible top 3 pick but if he goes this year he will not be ready for the nba and will be getting minutes but wont be able to produce and that could ruin his career.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you completely except to me the order of the picks depend on who has the first pick and my thing is if Terrence Jones and Barnes are similar players but Terrence Jones is more productive why not pick Terrence Jones. Barnes only big game has come against Hofstra Lol and he is 38percent from the feild while Terrence Jones has better percent and at one point against Uconn was 4-4 from three and they beat a top 15 team this year in washington already and Terrence Jone is having the Melo type fresman season so far with 20 a game 50 percent from the field and ten boards a game to go with it.  Some compare Jones to Lamar Odom with more heart and Odom is a really good player in his own right so you take that talent and put a fire behind it maybe we have  a great player.  Yes Barnes looks fluid playing the game and has Kobe manerisms and moves that make you think hes the next superstar but hes not there yet maybe he is worth a top 10 pick this year but if he stays another year maybe two and develops then he will be a possible top 3 pick but if he goes this year he will not be ready for the nba and will be getting minutes but wont be able to produce and that could ruin his career.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

I agree with you completely except to me the order of the picks depend on who has the first pick and my thing is if Terrence Jones and Barnes are similar players but Terrence Jones is more productive why not pick Terrence Jones. Barnes only big game has come against Hofstra Lol and he is 38percent from the feild while Terrence Jones has better percent and at one point against Uconn was 4-4 from three and they beat a top 15 team this year in washington already and Terrence Jone is having the Melo type fresman season so far with 20 a game 50 percent from the field and ten boards a game to go with it.  Some compare Jones to Lamar Odom with more heart and Odom is a really good player in his own right so you take that talent and put a fire behind it maybe we have  a great player.  Yes Barnes looks fluid playing the game and has Kobe manerisms and moves that make you think hes the next superstar but hes not there yet maybe he is worth a top 10 pick this year but if he stays another year maybe two and develops then he will be a possible top 3 pick but if he goes this year he will not be ready for the nba and will be getting minutes but wont be able to produce and that could ruin his career.

[plasticmanParticipant]

no way Barnes stays 2 years.  He is a one and done player, period.

[plasticmanParticipant]

no way Barnes stays 2 years.  He is a one and done player, period.

[plasticmanParticipant]

no way Barnes stays 2 years.  He is a one and done player, period.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 @Jaysmith you are right for instance if the Raptors or Clippers get the first pick you know they are going to be looking at Irving depending on how Bayless and Bledsoe develop but I think you have to take Irving to lead you franchise if you are them.  If the Sixers get the first pick this is where it gets interesting.  We already have a franchise PG in Holiday, and Turner so our backcourt is set.  And we don’t need another wing like Barnes or T. Jones.  So we probably look to go big with Perry Jones or Sullinger.  Perry can play anywhere and he is nothing like Anthony Randolph I am tired of them comparisons.  

So far it’s looking like Kyrie Irving may have the best value is this draft tho.  He looks like the real deal and somebody that can be the face of a franchise and not disapoint.  

I have been high on T.  Jones for awhile now and never understand why he wasn’t considered a top 5 pick.  I am going on record by saying T. Jones will be a top 5 pick.  I don’t think he gets drafted higher then Barnes but he will be drafted high.  

There is more pressure on Barnes and in the end I think he will level out.  I think Barnes by the end of the year will be putting up modest stats and playing great basketball.  He is still younger then T.  Jones.  I am hype to see what they’re combine numbers look like.  This is where Perry Jones could really seal the first pick if he has insane combine numbers.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 @Jaysmith you are right for instance if the Raptors or Clippers get the first pick you know they are going to be looking at Irving depending on how Bayless and Bledsoe develop but I think you have to take Irving to lead you franchise if you are them.  If the Sixers get the first pick this is where it gets interesting.  We already have a franchise PG in Holiday, and Turner so our backcourt is set.  And we don’t need another wing like Barnes or T. Jones.  So we probably look to go big with Perry Jones or Sullinger.  Perry can play anywhere and he is nothing like Anthony Randolph I am tired of them comparisons.  

So far it’s looking like Kyrie Irving may have the best value is this draft tho.  He looks like the real deal and somebody that can be the face of a franchise and not disapoint.  

I have been high on T.  Jones for awhile now and never understand why he wasn’t considered a top 5 pick.  I am going on record by saying T. Jones will be a top 5 pick.  I don’t think he gets drafted higher then Barnes but he will be drafted high.  

There is more pressure on Barnes and in the end I think he will level out.  I think Barnes by the end of the year will be putting up modest stats and playing great basketball.  He is still younger then T.  Jones.  I am hype to see what they’re combine numbers look like.  This is where Perry Jones could really seal the first pick if he has insane combine numbers.

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 @Jaysmith you are right for instance if the Raptors or Clippers get the first pick you know they are going to be looking at Irving depending on how Bayless and Bledsoe develop but I think you have to take Irving to lead you franchise if you are them.  If the Sixers get the first pick this is where it gets interesting.  We already have a franchise PG in Holiday, and Turner so our backcourt is set.  And we don’t need another wing like Barnes or T. Jones.  So we probably look to go big with Perry Jones or Sullinger.  Perry can play anywhere and he is nothing like Anthony Randolph I am tired of them comparisons.  

So far it’s looking like Kyrie Irving may have the best value is this draft tho.  He looks like the real deal and somebody that can be the face of a franchise and not disapoint.  

I have been high on T.  Jones for awhile now and never understand why he wasn’t considered a top 5 pick.  I am going on record by saying T. Jones will be a top 5 pick.  I don’t think he gets drafted higher then Barnes but he will be drafted high.  

There is more pressure on Barnes and in the end I think he will level out.  I think Barnes by the end of the year will be putting up modest stats and playing great basketball.  He is still younger then T.  Jones.  I am hype to see what they’re combine numbers look like.  This is where Perry Jones could really seal the first pick if he has insane combine numbers.

[stanford hoops]

none of us knows whos gonna be the better pro between barnes and jones. we can make guesses but no one actually knows. Same with whos gonna get picked higher

[stanford hoops]

none of us knows whos gonna be the better pro between barnes and jones. we can make guesses but no one actually knows. Same with whos gonna get picked higher

[stanford hoops]

none of us knows whos gonna be the better pro between barnes and jones. we can make guesses but no one actually knows. Same with whos gonna get picked higher

[jaysmith1987Participant]

If melo and beasley werent top picks wich is what people were expecting barnes to be how in the world do people project him to go top pick.  Also these draft projections change drastically all the time the year Melo went to college before the season he was considered top ten pick or top 15 pick if he went straight from high school then he has great year at syracuse and becomes top 3 pick so its possible terrence jones makes the leap ala melo we gotta see what happens at the end of the season.  And history shows teams draft big men or in recent drafts pgs before sg or small forwards unless they are lebron james who happens to be one of the best athletes in the game.  So if michael jordan, kobe bryant, melo, and durant, get passed on for other bigmen or freak athletes so will barnes because he has not proven that he is on that level yet. And the potential of a bigmen or point gaurd is alot more intriguing in todays game than a small forward.  Look at the number of really good small forwards in the league then check the win column then look at the really good point gaurds and big men and check the win column point gaurds and big men win so there is no way a team with a first pick chooses a small forward when there is a really talented point guard in kyrie irving and a intriguing big men in perry jones.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

If melo and beasley werent top picks wich is what people were expecting barnes to be how in the world do people project him to go top pick.  Also these draft projections change drastically all the time the year Melo went to college before the season he was considered top ten pick or top 15 pick if he went straight from high school then he has great year at syracuse and becomes top 3 pick so its possible terrence jones makes the leap ala melo we gotta see what happens at the end of the season.  And history shows teams draft big men or in recent drafts pgs before sg or small forwards unless they are lebron james who happens to be one of the best athletes in the game.  So if michael jordan, kobe bryant, melo, and durant, get passed on for other bigmen or freak athletes so will barnes because he has not proven that he is on that level yet. And the potential of a bigmen or point gaurd is alot more intriguing in todays game than a small forward.  Look at the number of really good small forwards in the league then check the win column then look at the really good point gaurds and big men and check the win column point gaurds and big men win so there is no way a team with a first pick chooses a small forward when there is a really talented point guard in kyrie irving and a intriguing big men in perry jones.

[jaysmith1987Participant]

If melo and beasley werent top picks wich is what people were expecting barnes to be how in the world do people project him to go top pick.  Also these draft projections change drastically all the time the year Melo went to college before the season he was considered top ten pick or top 15 pick if he went straight from high school then he has great year at syracuse and becomes top 3 pick so its possible terrence jones makes the leap ala melo we gotta see what happens at the end of the season.  And history shows teams draft big men or in recent drafts pgs before sg or small forwards unless they are lebron james who happens to be one of the best athletes in the game.  So if michael jordan, kobe bryant, melo, and durant, get passed on for other bigmen or freak athletes so will barnes because he has not proven that he is on that level yet. And the potential of a bigmen or point gaurd is alot more intriguing in todays game than a small forward.  Look at the number of really good small forwards in the league then check the win column then look at the really good point gaurds and big men and check the win column point gaurds and big men win so there is no way a team with a first pick chooses a small forward when there is a really talented point guard in kyrie irving and a intriguing big men in perry jones.

[stanford hoops]

the difference is

1. jordan got passed over for the dream and sam bowie. i dont see any dreams or sam bowies this year

2. melo got passed over for lebron. there are no lebrons in college this year

3. Kobe was a highschooler with a couple of flaws and no hype machine like there is now as far as highschool hoops. No one saw what he was gonna become. Even west who say a very good player but not a challenege to be greater then jordan

4. durant had a 7’1 athletic greg oden. There also isnt a greg oden in college basketball

 

There are no very good or great big men in college basketball right now. Theres a very good point guard in irving and its possible he could get picked ahead of barnes as well as jones,jones3 and maybe a couple other guys. Before the season started it wasnt really possible but after watching a couple of games it is possible. Not saying barnes wont be the top pick but it is now possible but not for the same reasons melo,durant,melo werent picked number one

[stanford hoops]

the difference is

1. jordan got passed over for the dream and sam bowie. i dont see any dreams or sam bowies this year

2. melo got passed over for lebron. there are no lebrons in college this year

3. Kobe was a highschooler with a couple of flaws and no hype machine like there is now as far as highschool hoops. No one saw what he was gonna become. Even west who say a very good player but not a challenege to be greater then jordan

4. durant had a 7’1 athletic greg oden. There also isnt a greg oden in college basketball

 

There are no very good or great big men in college basketball right now. Theres a very good point guard in irving and its possible he could get picked ahead of barnes as well as jones,jones3 and maybe a couple other guys. Before the season started it wasnt really possible but after watching a couple of games it is possible. Not saying barnes wont be the top pick but it is now possible but not for the same reasons melo,durant,melo werent picked number one

[stanford hoops]

the difference is

1. jordan got passed over for the dream and sam bowie. i dont see any dreams or sam bowies this year

2. melo got passed over for lebron. there are no lebrons in college this year

3. Kobe was a highschooler with a couple of flaws and no hype machine like there is now as far as highschool hoops. No one saw what he was gonna become. Even west who say a very good player but not a challenege to be greater then jordan

4. durant had a 7’1 athletic greg oden. There also isnt a greg oden in college basketball

 

There are no very good or great big men in college basketball right now. Theres a very good point guard in irving and its possible he could get picked ahead of barnes as well as jones,jones3 and maybe a couple other guys. Before the season started it wasnt really possible but after watching a couple of games it is possible. Not saying barnes wont be the top pick but it is now possible but not for the same reasons melo,durant,melo werent picked number one

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Lets take a look at this…. Jones is playing more of a PF role where his job is to rebound, and he has no one on his team that will rebound the basketball other than him, so there is where he gets 4 more rebounds than barnes per game, where barnes has zeller and henson pulling down 7 and 12 rebounds a game respectively. As far as scoring.. Jones is a ball hog. he shoots. Barnes is not selfish. he averages 12 shots a game. Jones 16 shots a game. Did i mention he has brandon knight an explosive point guard setting him up?? Barnes gets who? Larry Drew, yeah thats right. Lets face it, Barnes had ONE bad game where he just couldnt find his rhythm now everyone jumps the gun and thinks hes terrible. Peyton Manning had 3 INT’s last week… is he bad now too? Barnes main problem right now is Roy Williams and his lineups. When he replaces Drew with Marshall and Strickland with Bullock, i think you will see UNC and Barnes flourish.

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Lets take a look at this…. Jones is playing more of a PF role where his job is to rebound, and he has no one on his team that will rebound the basketball other than him, so there is where he gets 4 more rebounds than barnes per game, where barnes has zeller and henson pulling down 7 and 12 rebounds a game respectively. As far as scoring.. Jones is a ball hog. he shoots. Barnes is not selfish. he averages 12 shots a game. Jones 16 shots a game. Did i mention he has brandon knight an explosive point guard setting him up?? Barnes gets who? Larry Drew, yeah thats right. Lets face it, Barnes had ONE bad game where he just couldnt find his rhythm now everyone jumps the gun and thinks hes terrible. Peyton Manning had 3 INT’s last week… is he bad now too? Barnes main problem right now is Roy Williams and his lineups. When he replaces Drew with Marshall and Strickland with Bullock, i think you will see UNC and Barnes flourish.

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Lets take a look at this…. Jones is playing more of a PF role where his job is to rebound, and he has no one on his team that will rebound the basketball other than him, so there is where he gets 4 more rebounds than barnes per game, where barnes has zeller and henson pulling down 7 and 12 rebounds a game respectively. As far as scoring.. Jones is a ball hog. he shoots. Barnes is not selfish. he averages 12 shots a game. Jones 16 shots a game. Did i mention he has brandon knight an explosive point guard setting him up?? Barnes gets who? Larry Drew, yeah thats right. Lets face it, Barnes had ONE bad game where he just couldnt find his rhythm now everyone jumps the gun and thinks hes terrible. Peyton Manning had 3 INT’s last week… is he bad now too? Barnes main problem right now is Roy Williams and his lineups. When he replaces Drew with Marshall and Strickland with Bullock, i think you will see UNC and Barnes flourish.

[stanford hoops]

thats a horrible excuse. jones is not a ball hog. all guys who score alot shoot more then someone who doesnt. i still think barnes has the edge over jones as the number one pick but lets not make excuse…Jones is just playing better than barnes right now. Thats a fact

 

Barnes clearly isnt terrible but hes not first team all american as predicted so far either. Right now hes playing ok as a second option on a 3-2 team.If he expects to hold on to that number one pick then he needs to step it up, if not hes gonna drop

[stanford hoops]

thats a horrible excuse. jones is not a ball hog. all guys who score alot shoot more then someone who doesnt. i still think barnes has the edge over jones as the number one pick but lets not make excuse…Jones is just playing better than barnes right now. Thats a fact

 

Barnes clearly isnt terrible but hes not first team all american as predicted so far either. Right now hes playing ok as a second option on a 3-2 team.If he expects to hold on to that number one pick then he needs to step it up, if not hes gonna drop

[stanford hoops]

thats a horrible excuse. jones is not a ball hog. all guys who score alot shoot more then someone who doesnt. i still think barnes has the edge over jones as the number one pick but lets not make excuse…Jones is just playing better than barnes right now. Thats a fact

 

Barnes clearly isnt terrible but hes not first team all american as predicted so far either. Right now hes playing ok as a second option on a 3-2 team.If he expects to hold on to that number one pick then he needs to step it up, if not hes gonna drop

[stanford hoops]

Forgot to add that maybe you havnt been watching kentucky but knight hasnt show to be much of a set up man. He’s more of a scorer and gets less assist than marshall and drew3 so barnes actually has 2 set up guys who are better at setting people up then jones has on top of a big man who demands at least a double team from time to time. Barnes problem seems to be his shooting (37percent) and you cant blame that on anyone but barnes

[stanford hoops]

Forgot to add that maybe you havnt been watching kentucky but knight hasnt show to be much of a set up man. He’s more of a scorer and gets less assist than marshall and drew3 so barnes actually has 2 set up guys who are better at setting people up then jones has on top of a big man who demands at least a double team from time to time. Barnes problem seems to be his shooting (37percent) and you cant blame that on anyone but barnes

[stanford hoops]

Forgot to add that maybe you havnt been watching kentucky but knight hasnt show to be much of a set up man. He’s more of a scorer and gets less assist than marshall and drew3 so barnes actually has 2 set up guys who are better at setting people up then jones has on top of a big man who demands at least a double team from time to time. Barnes problem seems to be his shooting (37percent) and you cant blame that on anyone but barnes

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Im just trying to show you how stupid it is to judge a players draft value stock by the way he plays against crap teams in the beginning of the year. You think that nba execs care that terrence jones went 10/19 against east tennessee state?? Probably not. I mean by your guys logic, Jimmer Fredette should be the number 1 pick. He averages 23 a game.. or wait.. in that case stats dont count?? Just sayin.

[dude1955Participant]

To deny that Barnes is talented is a stretch. But I think that when you put so much hype into a player, you set the bar so high that anything less than stellar is seen as a failure. I agree that all this speculation and projection gets out of hand due to the fact that most of these guys are playing against equally talented players night in and night out and not a highschooler or those AAU pick up games where no one plays D. Irving is good no doubt and a talent, but it is easy to be good on a loaded team. If Irving has a bad 3 game stretch is the tide going to change about him??? At the end of the day..both are talented and both will make millions playing ball.

[dude1955Participant]

To deny that Barnes is talented is a stretch. But I think that when you put so much hype into a player, you set the bar so high that anything less than stellar is seen as a failure. I agree that all this speculation and projection gets out of hand due to the fact that most of these guys are playing against equally talented players night in and night out and not a highschooler or those AAU pick up games where no one plays D. Irving is good no doubt and a talent, but it is easy to be good on a loaded team. If Irving has a bad 3 game stretch is the tide going to change about him??? At the end of the day..both are talented and both will make millions playing ball.

[dude1955Participant]

To deny that Barnes is talented is a stretch. But I think that when you put so much hype into a player, you set the bar so high that anything less than stellar is seen as a failure. I agree that all this speculation and projection gets out of hand due to the fact that most of these guys are playing against equally talented players night in and night out and not a highschooler or those AAU pick up games where no one plays D. Irving is good no doubt and a talent, but it is easy to be good on a loaded team. If Irving has a bad 3 game stretch is the tide going to change about him??? At the end of the day..both are talented and both will make millions playing ball.

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Im just trying to show you how stupid it is to judge a players draft value stock by the way he plays against crap teams in the beginning of the year. You think that nba execs care that terrence jones went 10/19 against east tennessee state?? Probably not. I mean by your guys logic, Jimmer Fredette should be the number 1 pick. He averages 23 a game.. or wait.. in that case stats dont count?? Just sayin.

[heelsfan1307Participant]

Im just trying to show you how stupid it is to judge a players draft value stock by the way he plays against crap teams in the beginning of the year. You think that nba execs care that terrence jones went 10/19 against east tennessee state?? Probably not. I mean by your guys logic, Jimmer Fredette should be the number 1 pick. He averages 23 a game.. or wait.. in that case stats dont count?? Just sayin.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[TooNice4TVParticipant]

He might not be the projected pick by the end of a year, but he will be a top 3 pick for sure. 

Kyrie Irving though, is proving to be the man at Duke, and definitely has a shot at the #1 pick. The young CP3 with the jumper.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Someone else will get most of the attention he can catch and shoot. Come of off screens. He has a game that will look better in the pro’s than in the NCAA. I am not certain he is a superstar or perrenial all star,but his skills will transfer to the L better.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Someone else will get most of the attention he can catch and shoot. Come of off screens. He has a game that will look better in the pro’s than in the NCAA. I am not certain he is a superstar or perrenial all star,but his skills will transfer to the L better.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Someone else will get most of the attention he can catch and shoot. Come of off screens. He has a game that will look better in the pro’s than in the NCAA. I am not certain he is a superstar or perrenial all star,but his skills will transfer to the L better.

[delfamParticipant]

I’m not comparing Barnes to Scottie Pippen but that’s the type of player he’s going to be in the NBA IMO, he isn’t going to be that go to guy but he’s going to be a very good glue guy that can take over if the #1 option is in foul trouble.

Now do you take a #2 option with the #1 pick, probably not cause you want a go to guy, but I still feel he’s a top 5 pick and a really good piece to build around.

[delfamParticipant]

I’m not comparing Barnes to Scottie Pippen but that’s the type of player he’s going to be in the NBA IMO, he isn’t going to be that go to guy but he’s going to be a very good glue guy that can take over if the #1 option is in foul trouble.

Now do you take a #2 option with the #1 pick, probably not cause you want a go to guy, but I still feel he’s a top 5 pick and a really good piece to build around.

[delfamParticipant]

I’m not comparing Barnes to Scottie Pippen but that’s the type of player he’s going to be in the NBA IMO, he isn’t going to be that go to guy but he’s going to be a very good glue guy that can take over if the #1 option is in foul trouble.

Now do you take a #2 option with the #1 pick, probably not cause you want a go to guy, but I still feel he’s a top 5 pick and a really good piece to build around.

[stanford hoops]

the interesting thing is NBA teams do care about what jones did against east Tenn state or what ever sorry team. Thats what first gets there attention then the watch closer as he does the same thing against good teams at Maui. They said as much on t.v when the announcers said NBA scouts where really buzzing about what he has done so far in the season. They care about it all. I talked to a couple of them( thunder scout and suns scout, one grew up with my brother and the other used to be my brothers teammate) while out here in cal for the 76classic and the said they go to all types of games and watch and become interested in players even games like Marist vs Yale. There are 8 scouts out here now watching this tournament even though no teams are ranked and the best team out here is Unlv or Va. tech

[stanford hoops]

the interesting thing is NBA teams do care about what jones did against east Tenn state or what ever sorry team. Thats what first gets there attention then the watch closer as he does the same thing against good teams at Maui. They said as much on t.v when the announcers said NBA scouts where really buzzing about what he has done so far in the season. They care about it all. I talked to a couple of them( thunder scout and suns scout, one grew up with my brother and the other used to be my brothers teammate) while out here in cal for the 76classic and the said they go to all types of games and watch and become interested in players even games like Marist vs Yale. There are 8 scouts out here now watching this tournament even though no teams are ranked and the best team out here is Unlv or Va. tech

[stanford hoops]

the interesting thing is NBA teams do care about what jones did against east Tenn state or what ever sorry team. Thats what first gets there attention then the watch closer as he does the same thing against good teams at Maui. They said as much on t.v when the announcers said NBA scouts where really buzzing about what he has done so far in the season. They care about it all. I talked to a couple of them( thunder scout and suns scout, one grew up with my brother and the other used to be my brothers teammate) while out here in cal for the 76classic and the said they go to all types of games and watch and become interested in players even games like Marist vs Yale. There are 8 scouts out here now watching this tournament even though no teams are ranked and the best team out here is Unlv or Va. tech

[MkadozaParticipant]

 A secondary, glue guy second option on a championship team = Pippen, Gasol, McKale, Ginobili (I think this will be the best comparison after a while). Thats not a bad number one pick. Sullinger and Irving look better at the moment, but things change.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 A secondary, glue guy second option on a championship team = Pippen, Gasol, McKale, Ginobili (I think this will be the best comparison after a while). Thats not a bad number one pick. Sullinger and Irving look better at the moment, but things change.

[MkadozaParticipant]

 A secondary, glue guy second option on a championship team = Pippen, Gasol, McKale, Ginobili (I think this will be the best comparison after a while). Thats not a bad number one pick. Sullinger and Irving look better at the moment, but things change.

[SteroidParticipant]

There is no telling how good Barnes will be in the NBA, or even on a bigger scale, this draft class. Literally, Barnes can be anywhere from a Superstar to a bust. It isn’t unreasonable for someone to believe that he isn’t worth a number 1 pick. He still has to earn that pick by playing great this season. Just look up the threads on guys that were supposed to be big time NBA players, and read how people thought that it was so obvious that they were going to be…

[SteroidParticipant]

There is no telling how good Barnes will be in the NBA, or even on a bigger scale, this draft class. Literally, Barnes can be anywhere from a Superstar to a bust. It isn’t unreasonable for someone to believe that he isn’t worth a number 1 pick. He still has to earn that pick by playing great this season. Just look up the threads on guys that were supposed to be big time NBA players, and read how people thought that it was so obvious that they were going to be…

[SteroidParticipant]

There is no telling how good Barnes will be in the NBA, or even on a bigger scale, this draft class. Literally, Barnes can be anywhere from a Superstar to a bust. It isn’t unreasonable for someone to believe that he isn’t worth a number 1 pick. He still has to earn that pick by playing great this season. Just look up the threads on guys that were supposed to be big time NBA players, and read how people thought that it was so obvious that they were going to be…

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah I definitely get the vibe that Barnes is more Pippen than Jordan. However, he is a freshman adjusting to college life, there is plenty of time for him to assert himself once he’s comfortable. Ultimately, it should come down to team need; Irving if you need a franchise PG, Barnes if you need a second option (most likely).

If Sacramento get the first pick they would be in quite a bind; they need a wing to complement Tyreke Evans, but also a PG to allow him to be a scorer. If the Kings can land either of those two they’ll be in a great position for the future.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah I definitely get the vibe that Barnes is more Pippen than Jordan. However, he is a freshman adjusting to college life, there is plenty of time for him to assert himself once he’s comfortable. Ultimately, it should come down to team need; Irving if you need a franchise PG, Barnes if you need a second option (most likely).

If Sacramento get the first pick they would be in quite a bind; they need a wing to complement Tyreke Evans, but also a PG to allow him to be a scorer. If the Kings can land either of those two they’ll be in a great position for the future.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah I definitely get the vibe that Barnes is more Pippen than Jordan. However, he is a freshman adjusting to college life, there is plenty of time for him to assert himself once he’s comfortable. Ultimately, it should come down to team need; Irving if you need a franchise PG, Barnes if you need a second option (most likely).

If Sacramento get the first pick they would be in quite a bind; they need a wing to complement Tyreke Evans, but also a PG to allow him to be a scorer. If the Kings can land either of those two they’ll be in a great position for the future.

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