[mgreener_34Participant]

 I just want to hear what the board has to say on this. Whenever we talk about under rated we never really have a discussion of actual under rated player, but more of just back and fourths of guys like Tony Parker, Andrea Igguadalla, and Adrew Bogut. This guys aren’t under valued, and I think there are a lot of players out there who are truely over looked. I’ll start.

Trevor Booker- He was on those terrible Wizard teams when they were rebuilding, and then went to Utah, and no one gives his credit. He averages a solid 7/5 off the bench in limited minutes, and plays with a lot of energy. He has a career 111 ORtg and 105 DRtg, both above league average, and is a plus defender in every defensive metric. He sports a 14.4% career rebounding rate, the same as guys like Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, and Drey Green. He shoots .715% from within 0-3 of the basket, where he gets a lot of his points, and even increased his range this year to the point where he started to shoot 3s at a 34% clip. I think he’s one of the more versatile back-up bigs in the game, and I think he’s going to be awesome in the smaller NBA that we’ve been seeing lately. Truely an over looked player. 

Evan Fournier. I hear people talk about the Magics young core of Vucevic/Harris/Olidipo/Payton/Gordon/Hezonja, but no one ever adds Fournier to that list. He might get moved because of the log jam, but the dude can play, and was one of the stand out players to me during the world games a few years ago. In fact that entire French team stood out, and it’s why I wasn’t shocked to see Gobert break out this year. Both these guys were beasts for France, and I expect Fournier to have a long and productive career. He’s only 22 years of age, but was able to put up a productive and efficient 12/2/2 last year in Orlando. He’s already proven to be a great shooter, hitting 38% of his 3pna on a high volume. He’s crafty around the basket and doesn’t take bad shots, which is indicative by his good .64% shooting from within 0-3 of the basket (Something young players typically have trouble at). He has a lot of work to do on the defensive end, but I see no reason why he can’t have a JJ Redick career as a great knock down shooter who makes the right play. I would love to have him on my team, and think he’s the most under rated SG prospects in the league. 

Steven Adams. The last player I’m going to mention is Adams. He was touted as a 4 year project when the Thunder drafted, and many thought he should never have declared. He’s been solid for the Thunder, and ridiculously just turned 22 a couple weeks ago. He averaged near 8/8 last year with 1.2 blocks, and in only 25 MPG. His PEr 36 was near 11/11/2 which isn’t unreasonable, and very impressive. He has a career ORg of 108, and DRtg of 103, and like Booker, is above average in every defensive category. He’s a great rebounder, sporting a 16% rebound rate, and we all know about his grit and toughness. He needs to work on his offensive game more, and needs to foul a lot less when he plays help defense, but I think he is an extremely under rated prospect, and think he can have an Andrew Bogut type of career (the later end of Bogut’s career). 

Anyone else have players they think are under valued? 

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Blake and Carmelo are called overrated so much, I think they both are underrated now.

Marc Gasol- I don’t think I have ever heard anyone else call him the besr center in the league… Eventhough he is.

Wilson Chandler- he’s only been able to land on a few talented teams, but for the most part, he hasn’t. I think he’s definitely a missing piece to many NBA contender teams cause of the way the NBA has translated to wanting guys that can guard 1-4 and can shoot. Pretty good all-around game. Wish my Lakers were able to trade for him :/

Corey Brewer- might not be the most talented player in the NBA but he makes a huge impact when he gets on the floor. Playoffs he was quite amazing vs the Clippers.

Brandon Knight- got in a bad situation in Phoenix and he is proclaimed as the unluckiest player in the NBA, but in Milwaukee he was really killing it. At one point right before all-star break, in comparison to other PGs in the league, he was top 10 in PPG, RPG, APG, 3-points made, 3point %, FT% and I want to say SPG as well.

 

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Blake and Carmelo are called overrated so much, I think they both are underrated now.

Marc Gasol- I don’t think I have ever heard anyone else call him the besr center in the league… Eventhough he is.

Wilson Chandler- he’s only been able to land on a few talented teams, but for the most part, he hasn’t. I think he’s definitely a missing piece to many NBA contender teams cause of the way the NBA has translated to wanting guys that can guard 1-4 and can shoot. Pretty good all-around game. Wish my Lakers were able to trade for him :/

Corey Brewer- might not be the most talented player in the NBA but he makes a huge impact when he gets on the floor. Playoffs he was quite amazing vs the Clippers.

Brandon Knight- got in a bad situation in Phoenix and he is proclaimed as the unluckiest player in the NBA, but in Milwaukee he was really killing it. At one point right before all-star break, in comparison to other PGs in the league, he was top 10 in PPG, RPG, APG, 3-points made, 3point %, FT% and I want to say SPG as well.

 

[BallGawd01Participant]

If people still call Blake Griffin overrated they don’t watch basketball as far as I’m concerned.  

[BallGawd01Participant]

If people still call Blake Griffin overrated they don’t watch basketball as far as I’m concerned.  

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Couldn’t have said it better myself, some fans have this problem of thinking if a player is super athlete, they must be lacking in bball skills… Until that player retires lol

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

 Couldn’t have said it better myself, some fans have this problem of thinking if a player is super athlete, they must be lacking in bball skills… Until that player retires lol

[HazelParticipant]

People who talk about Carmelo and Blake as overrated are looking at winning in the playoffs and playing defense. They are two of the best offensive forwards to play the game. They can do so many things and they make scoring look easy. Unfortunately, they make scoring easy for the other team as well. Not just their man. Blake continues to improve, but his defensive ceiling is average because his lack of instincts or elite length. Carmelo is what he is defensively. When a 38 year-old Tim Duncan looks like he’s the 28 year old version in a series, that is not a good argument for saying Blake is a top 5 player. People are putting him up there with players who just do more for winning in the playoffs.

IMO players like
LeBron, Davis, Durant, Paul, Wall, Loenard are better players because they are both offensively dominant in some or many ways and defensively can shut a guy down.

Then there are players like
Curry, Harden who have less defensive talent, but have learned the last year or two how to balance better and have been part of a much better defensive team. Plus they run the offense much more than Blake does.

Finally, there are players like
Dreymond Green, Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors, Serge Ibaka who are three or four steps ahead in terms of personal and team defense while fitting a role on offense that is much lower usage, but more efficient so they allow their offenses to be very good while making defense much better.

So my opinion is that those guys are amazing, but if I am picking an all-NBA team to actually play and win a playoff series, Blake is not on that team or even the top three teams unless he is an off-the bench guy. Same with Melo.

[HazelParticipant]

People who talk about Carmelo and Blake as overrated are looking at winning in the playoffs and playing defense. They are two of the best offensive forwards to play the game. They can do so many things and they make scoring look easy. Unfortunately, they make scoring easy for the other team as well. Not just their man. Blake continues to improve, but his defensive ceiling is average because his lack of instincts or elite length. Carmelo is what he is defensively. When a 38 year-old Tim Duncan looks like he’s the 28 year old version in a series, that is not a good argument for saying Blake is a top 5 player. People are putting him up there with players who just do more for winning in the playoffs.

IMO players like
LeBron, Davis, Durant, Paul, Wall, Loenard are better players because they are both offensively dominant in some or many ways and defensively can shut a guy down.

Then there are players like
Curry, Harden who have less defensive talent, but have learned the last year or two how to balance better and have been part of a much better defensive team. Plus they run the offense much more than Blake does.

Finally, there are players like
Dreymond Green, Paul Millsap, Derrick Favors, Serge Ibaka who are three or four steps ahead in terms of personal and team defense while fitting a role on offense that is much lower usage, but more efficient so they allow their offenses to be very good while making defense much better.

So my opinion is that those guys are amazing, but if I am picking an all-NBA team to actually play and win a playoff series, Blake is not on that team or even the top three teams unless he is an off-the bench guy. Same with Melo.

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

Tim looks 28 whenever he wants to lol. Plus what elite power forward has done more for his team in the playoffs than Blake the past two years? Pop makes the load on Timmy easy, Zach Randolph doesn’t have DeAndre Jordan’s defender sitting in the paint making it difficult for him to post up, LaMarcus wasn’t trying to advance this year and have a reason to stay in Portland.

And Melo’s nuggets were actually pretty damn good just didn’t get the credit they deserved because they played in the Wild West and they would always matchup with the team that would go on and win the championship. The Knicks are easily the worst organization in sports and the fact Melo could get them to be a 2nd seed one year and to the semis, is amazing.

I’m not saying Melo at the moment is amazing cause he came off an injury idk how that will work out, but you won’t find many players who when they match up with Melo, they’ll out perform him, on both ends. Just look at Melo and LeBrons head to head record And then go check out Melo vs Durant. 

I’m a Kentucky fan but the crap Melo and Blake get should go to a guy like DeMarcus Cousins who has yet to make the playoffs and never try on defense

[SkalAndJamalParticipant]

Tim looks 28 whenever he wants to lol. Plus what elite power forward has done more for his team in the playoffs than Blake the past two years? Pop makes the load on Timmy easy, Zach Randolph doesn’t have DeAndre Jordan’s defender sitting in the paint making it difficult for him to post up, LaMarcus wasn’t trying to advance this year and have a reason to stay in Portland.

And Melo’s nuggets were actually pretty damn good just didn’t get the credit they deserved because they played in the Wild West and they would always matchup with the team that would go on and win the championship. The Knicks are easily the worst organization in sports and the fact Melo could get them to be a 2nd seed one year and to the semis, is amazing.

I’m not saying Melo at the moment is amazing cause he came off an injury idk how that will work out, but you won’t find many players who when they match up with Melo, they’ll out perform him, on both ends. Just look at Melo and LeBrons head to head record And then go check out Melo vs Durant. 

I’m a Kentucky fan but the crap Melo and Blake get should go to a guy like DeMarcus Cousins who has yet to make the playoffs and never try on defense

[T Rex]

 Kelly Olynyk. Underrated defender, good 3 point shooter, great passer for a center/PF, and a great ball handler. Underrated jumper too, which he improved with his top notch work ethic.

Most of the advanced stats love him, and he hasn’t even broken out yet.

 

 

 

[T Rex]

 Kelly Olynyk. Underrated defender, good 3 point shooter, great passer for a center/PF, and a great ball handler. Underrated jumper too, which he improved with his top notch work ethic.

Most of the advanced stats love him, and he hasn’t even broken out yet.

 

 

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Plus, he made the Warriors win the title.

 

 

 

 

I’m joking by the way.

 

[ZachAttackParticipant]

 Plus, he made the Warriors win the title.

 

 

 

 

I’m joking by the way.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I personally think Terrance Jones is slightly underrated, partly because of the fact that he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. There are very few players in the league with his defensive potential, as far as having the speed and athleticism to switch and stay with smaller players on the pick and roll. Offensively, he has shown flashes of developing a decent face up game and 3 point range. However, he hasn’t quite put it all together yet, which again can be probably be attributed to injuries. He’ll probably never be a featured scoring option on this current Houston roster, but he seems like he could be an ideal pf in this current era of the NBA.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 I personally think Terrance Jones is slightly underrated, partly because of the fact that he hasn’t been able to stay healthy. There are very few players in the league with his defensive potential, as far as having the speed and athleticism to switch and stay with smaller players on the pick and roll. Offensively, he has shown flashes of developing a decent face up game and 3 point range. However, he hasn’t quite put it all together yet, which again can be probably be attributed to injuries. He’ll probably never be a featured scoring option on this current Houston roster, but he seems like he could be an ideal pf in this current era of the NBA.

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 Al Jefferson, for the past decade he has been pretty dominant in his own respects, but has never been to an All Star game even though he really has averaged some pretty impressive numbers over the years.

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 Al Jefferson, for the past decade he has been pretty dominant in his own respects, but has never been to an All Star game even though he really has averaged some pretty impressive numbers over the years.

[Rip255]

Andrew Bogut

One of the best defenders in the league. Low opposition fg%, and high blocks and rebounds per 36m.

Also very good passer. If he didn’t break his arm, he’d still have scoring game.

Best screens in the league. Helps Steph Curry get his shot off. 

[Rip255]

Andrew Bogut

One of the best defenders in the league. Low opposition fg%, and high blocks and rebounds per 36m.

Also very good passer. If he didn’t break his arm, he’d still have scoring game.

Best screens in the league. Helps Steph Curry get his shot off. 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

marcin gortat might be the most underrated player in the league..

 jared sullinger is underrated…he’s not the type of player that can carry a team….but he has been solid since he joined them…..

 

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

marcin gortat might be the most underrated player in the league..

 jared sullinger is underrated…he’s not the type of player that can carry a team….but he has been solid since he joined them…..

 

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 I dont know about most underrated but i agree with you totally for what he brings to the table he is completely almost ignored. These is so many guys like this Monta Elis, DeMarcus Cousins, Nikola Vucevic…

[herceg_bukuParticipant]

 I dont know about most underrated but i agree with you totally for what he brings to the table he is completely almost ignored. These is so many guys like this Monta Elis, DeMarcus Cousins, Nikola Vucevic…

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Paul Millsap, Marcin Gortat, Timofey Mozgov, Danny Green, Reggie Jackson, Gordon Hayward, Kylw Korver, Isaiah Thomas, Darren Collison, Tyreke Evans, Andrew Bogut, Josh Smith. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Paul Millsap, Marcin Gortat, Timofey Mozgov, Danny Green, Reggie Jackson, Gordon Hayward, Kylw Korver, Isaiah Thomas, Darren Collison, Tyreke Evans, Andrew Bogut, Josh Smith. 

[evangelion79Participant]

 You were suposed to list underrated players. Not overrated. Milsap and Korver were allstars. Evans, Gortat, and maybe Hayward are the only ones that might be a little underrated.

[evangelion79Participant]

 You were suposed to list underrated players. Not overrated. Milsap and Korver were allstars. Evans, Gortat, and maybe Hayward are the only ones that might be a little underrated.

[HazelParticipant]

Derrick Favors

PER 21.86
TS% 55.8
20 points and 10 rebs per 40 mins.

Excellent team and individual defender with great instincts and versatility as well as length, strength and athleticism.

Getting better every year. Only 24 yrs old.

Never mentioned by anyone outside of Utah.

Defense was just as good with him and no Gobert as it was with Gobert during the second half of the season.

[HazelParticipant]

Derrick Favors

PER 21.86
TS% 55.8
20 points and 10 rebs per 40 mins.

Excellent team and individual defender with great instincts and versatility as well as length, strength and athleticism.

Getting better every year. Only 24 yrs old.

Never mentioned by anyone outside of Utah.

Defense was just as good with him and no Gobert as it was with Gobert during the second half of the season.

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yeah everyone in utah is underrated

[bumbleb33Participant]

 yeah everyone in utah is underrated

[immortalone23Participant]

Both are some of the best defenders in the league, they really rate well in advanced stats.

[immortalone23Participant]

Both are some of the best defenders in the league, they really rate well in advanced stats.

[llperez]

 corey brewer-he hits a good enough amount of outside shots that you cant leave him. he attacks the rim ahrd and gets out in transition. And is an above average wing defender. Wanted to not like this guy since his gators beat my bruins in the final 4 twice and i thought he was overrated coming out of college. but he has grown on me and i respect his game a lot more now that he isnt overhyped. The guy is an underrated difference maker

brandon bass-felt this way about him going back to his orlando magic days. Just real solid all around player. happy the lakers got him for cheap.

mareese speights-i know the warriors were super deep, but this guy just goes out and gets buckets every time he is on the court. Big men that can score like he does usually get more hype/playing time then he does.

 

 

 

[llperez]

 corey brewer-he hits a good enough amount of outside shots that you cant leave him. he attacks the rim ahrd and gets out in transition. And is an above average wing defender. Wanted to not like this guy since his gators beat my bruins in the final 4 twice and i thought he was overrated coming out of college. but he has grown on me and i respect his game a lot more now that he isnt overhyped. The guy is an underrated difference maker

brandon bass-felt this way about him going back to his orlando magic days. Just real solid all around player. happy the lakers got him for cheap.

mareese speights-i know the warriors were super deep, but this guy just goes out and gets buckets every time he is on the court. Big men that can score like he does usually get more hype/playing time then he does.

 

 

 

[VRod305Participant]

The most overrated player by far is Kyrie Irving. He’s a never won anything without LeBron. He uses every excuse or injury he possibly can to sit on the bench. He’s basically a slightly more skilled Nick Young. Then people like the biggest Cavs fan in the national media, Zach Lowe puts him on the first team All-NBA. Take LeBron away and he would spend his entire career in the lottery. Even Kemba Walker has gotten his team to the playoffs.

Underrated…I would say Tim Duncan. I think he is the most underappreciated guy in sports. He’s five titles and been the best player every since time. No one has had the type of longevity that he has. All those guys that were there when he started are gone or long gone.

[VRod305Participant]

The most overrated player by far is Kyrie Irving. He’s a never won anything without LeBron. He uses every excuse or injury he possibly can to sit on the bench. He’s basically a slightly more skilled Nick Young. Then people like the biggest Cavs fan in the national media, Zach Lowe puts him on the first team All-NBA. Take LeBron away and he would spend his entire career in the lottery. Even Kemba Walker has gotten his team to the playoffs.

Underrated…I would say Tim Duncan. I think he is the most underappreciated guy in sports. He’s five titles and been the best player every since time. No one has had the type of longevity that he has. All those guys that were there when he started are gone or long gone.

[llperez]

 duncan underrated? Dude is unanimously considered the greatest pf of all time. Fact is he has not been th ebest player on the spurs for about 5-6 years now but hes still been rated very highly.

[llperez]

 duncan underrated? Dude is unanimously considered the greatest pf of all time. Fact is he has not been th ebest player on the spurs for about 5-6 years now but hes still been rated very highly.

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 Corey Joseph, great defender, only takes good shots, seemed to have learned a lot offensively from the Spurs system.

 

Pat Patterson – one of the best stretch 4s in the league, plays solid defense, willing passer

 

 Gorgui Dieng – Good defender, solid midrange jumper, good rebounder, good passer even. Dude is talented and could be a starter for a lot of teams.

 

 Brandan Wright – relatively bigger name than the rest but he’s elite at what most teams want their C to be nowadays. Quick pick and roll defender, elite finisher, solid rim protector. He’s not a great rebounder and not the best at defending the post, but his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 Corey Joseph, great defender, only takes good shots, seemed to have learned a lot offensively from the Spurs system.

 

Pat Patterson – one of the best stretch 4s in the league, plays solid defense, willing passer

 

 Gorgui Dieng – Good defender, solid midrange jumper, good rebounder, good passer even. Dude is talented and could be a starter for a lot of teams.

 

 Brandan Wright – relatively bigger name than the rest but he’s elite at what most teams want their C to be nowadays. Quick pick and roll defender, elite finisher, solid rim protector. He’s not a great rebounder and not the best at defending the post, but his strengths outweigh his weaknesses.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheTruth86Participant]

 Nik Vucevic is somehow underrated, I admit he’s been putting big nnumbers on a poor Orlando team, but his improvement and reasonable contract make him a bit overlooked, imo.

[TheTruth86Participant]

 Nik Vucevic is somehow underrated, I admit he’s been putting big nnumbers on a poor Orlando team, but his improvement and reasonable contract make him a bit overlooked, imo.

[cjwParticipant]

 PG- Mike Conley

SG- Corey Brewer

SF- Wilson Chandler

PF- David West

C- AL Jefferson

6th man- tyreke evans

[cjwParticipant]

 PG- Mike Conley

SG- Corey Brewer

SF- Wilson Chandler

PF- David West

C- AL Jefferson

6th man- tyreke evans

[Rip255]

Ricky Rubio is under rated because people cant get past the shooting %.

Hes rated as terrible…when he should be rated as average.

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Ricky Rubio is under rated because people cant get past the shooting %.

Hes rated as terrible…when he should be rated as average.

 

 

 

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