[AwardedBallerParticipant]

In class today I was scrolling through the forums and saw someone mention Stern’s Veto of the Chris Paul trade back in 2011. Although I remember all of this vividly, I was only in 8th grade at the time so there was a lot about this I didn’t understand. I read an article that basically explained the situation and the repercussions that came with it. In all reality, had this trade went through. We’d be looking at a whole entire different NBA right now.

Here some things that would be very different had this trade went down:

The end of Kobe’s career would have been way different. We might have possibly been able to see the LeBron vs. Kobe finals we all longed for. Dwight Howard’s relationship with Kobe may have been different so the Lakers would have a Paul-Howard combo to build around in the future and may have been able to pick up Carmelo in the 2014 free agency pool.

The Pelicans/Hornets may have not been in the position to draft Anthony Davis

The Clippers organization maybe different, Blake may have not signed the contract extention in 2012, DJ never emerges maybe without CP3 + Doc doesn’t go to LA, even Donald Sterling’s comments may have not been released, as the Clippers would not have been relevant enough for the mistress woman to release his comments.

With the Lakers juggarnaut team, we may never get the 15-16 Warriors

James Harden’s free agency may have been a little different, as the Rockets were able to turn their plethora of assets into James Harden.

And also the trade it’s self would have set a crazy precedent about small market players leaving for big city teams. So think about the free agency of players like LA, Draymond, KD and players to come.

My question is, if this trade went as planned, would we overall have a better or worse NBA product? Did vetoing this trade help or hurt the league, knowing what we know now?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheGuyParticipant]

 Obviously plenty would have changed, I’m not sure free agency would change. Players still want to get the mx money/role/title contention they can get, markets are no longer really a big factor for most players.

The Lakers would have been drastically changed, Mike Brown maybe doesn’t get fired (or at least when he did) Kobe maybe never has his blown achilies and is still playing at a high level assuming he stays healthy. My guess is the Lakers would be in the spot the Clippers are in as the #3/4 team in the west.

I don’t think the game would have changed, 3 point shooting and more skilled players was becoming the trend. Maybe the product would be better in the sense we would have more title contenders. At this point it’s just guessing, but it’s crazy to think about especially seeing how Kobe’s career ended and how it very well could’ve changed, that’s the most obvious thing for me.

 

 

[TheGuyParticipant]

 Obviously plenty would have changed, I’m not sure free agency would change. Players still want to get the mx money/role/title contention they can get, markets are no longer really a big factor for most players.

The Lakers would have been drastically changed, Mike Brown maybe doesn’t get fired (or at least when he did) Kobe maybe never has his blown achilies and is still playing at a high level assuming he stays healthy. My guess is the Lakers would be in the spot the Clippers are in as the #3/4 team in the west.

I don’t think the game would have changed, 3 point shooting and more skilled players was becoming the trend. Maybe the product would be better in the sense we would have more title contenders. At this point it’s just guessing, but it’s crazy to think about especially seeing how Kobe’s career ended and how it very well could’ve changed, that’s the most obvious thing for me.

 

 

[ChammesParticipant]

 That team wouldve been deadley even though kobe was pretty old, him and cp3 wouldve made each other even better but the clippers will be good next year

[ChammesParticipant]

 That team wouldve been deadley even though kobe was pretty old, him and cp3 wouldve made each other even better but the clippers will be good next year

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Don’t even get me started on this. By far Stern’s worst moment as commissioner. The trade was agreed upon by all teams involved and worked within the salary cap. Stern had absolutely no business intervening. Basically, it was right after the lockout and CBA that was supposed to create more balance of power for small market teams. A bunch of owners complained about another superstar going to a big market and the threat of another superteam being built, so stern caved and vetoed the trade. He used the vague reasoning of "basketball reasons" as an excuse to veto the deal, which is exactly why the teams decided to make the trade in the first place. The Lakers gave up a hell of a lot of players in the deal and the hornets would’ve actually wound up with a much better haul of players than they ended up with in the clippers deal.

I’m not even gone think about the whole ripple effect of changes this caused throughout the NBA because that’s all pure speculation. All I know was that was just some straight b.s. and everyone knows it.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Don’t even get me started on this. By far Stern’s worst moment as commissioner. The trade was agreed upon by all teams involved and worked within the salary cap. Stern had absolutely no business intervening. Basically, it was right after the lockout and CBA that was supposed to create more balance of power for small market teams. A bunch of owners complained about another superstar going to a big market and the threat of another superteam being built, so stern caved and vetoed the trade. He used the vague reasoning of "basketball reasons" as an excuse to veto the deal, which is exactly why the teams decided to make the trade in the first place. The Lakers gave up a hell of a lot of players in the deal and the hornets would’ve actually wound up with a much better haul of players than they ended up with in the clippers deal.

I’m not even gone think about the whole ripple effect of changes this caused throughout the NBA because that’s all pure speculation. All I know was that was just some straight b.s. and everyone knows it.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Don’t even get me started on this. By far Stern’s worst moment as commissioner. The trade was agreed upon by all teams involved and worked within the salary cap. Stern had absolutely no business intervening. Basically, it was right after the lockout and CBA that was supposed to create more balance of power for small market teams. A bunch of owners complained about another superstar going to a big market and the threat of another superteam being built, so stern caved and vetoed the trade. He used the vague reasoning of "basketball reasons" as an excuse to veto the deal, which is exactly why the teams decided to make the trade in the first place. The Lakers gave up a hell of a lot of players in the deal and the hornets would’ve actually wound up with a much better haul of players than they ended up with in the clippers deal.

I’m not even gone think about the whole ripple effect of changes this caused throughout the NBA because that’s all pure speculation. All I know was that was just some straight b.s. and everyone knows it.

 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 Don’t even get me started on this. By far Stern’s worst moment as commissioner. The trade was agreed upon by all teams involved and worked within the salary cap. Stern had absolutely no business intervening. Basically, it was right after the lockout and CBA that was supposed to create more balance of power for small market teams. A bunch of owners complained about another superstar going to a big market and the threat of another superteam being built, so stern caved and vetoed the trade. He used the vague reasoning of "basketball reasons" as an excuse to veto the deal, which is exactly why the teams decided to make the trade in the first place. The Lakers gave up a hell of a lot of players in the deal and the hornets would’ve actually wound up with a much better haul of players than they ended up with in the clippers deal.

I’m not even gone think about the whole ripple effect of changes this caused throughout the NBA because that’s all pure speculation. All I know was that was just some straight b.s. and everyone knows it.

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 I gave you points on both of your threads that double posted. Because your last sentence sums up that whole nixed trade. 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 I gave you points on both of your threads that double posted. Because your last sentence sums up that whole nixed trade. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

The veto was B.S, as stated, pure B.S. It happened to help the Pelicans because they had a bad enough record to be in contention for the Anthony Davis sweepstakes, which of course they won.

(Then again, I’m sure Stern was desperate enough to find an owner that he would have found a way to give NOLA the number one pick even if they had a 55 win season). 

But to recap: NOLA lost out on Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin and Luis Scola (I can’t believe I remember this so well) all above average players in their primes. In order to overpay Eric Gordon and receive a pick that became Austin Rivers. Talk about value, baby. 

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

The veto was B.S, as stated, pure B.S. It happened to help the Pelicans because they had a bad enough record to be in contention for the Anthony Davis sweepstakes, which of course they won.

(Then again, I’m sure Stern was desperate enough to find an owner that he would have found a way to give NOLA the number one pick even if they had a 55 win season). 

But to recap: NOLA lost out on Lamar Odom, Kevin Martin and Luis Scola (I can’t believe I remember this so well) all above average players in their primes. In order to overpay Eric Gordon and receive a pick that became Austin Rivers. Talk about value, baby. 

 

 

 

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