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- Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 5:34pm #61292

high floorParticipantPer Marc Spears of yahoosports, the Charlotte Hornets are nearing a 4yr, 52 million dollar extension for SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. I’m happy for the guy if this deal comes to fruition. MKG is a hard working, high character player who has a long and successful future in the NBA if he continues to hone his skills.
The irony? Arguably the leagues worst jump shooting player will be making more than arguably the leagues greatest shooter of all time and reigning MVP Steph Curry (4yrs, 44 million).
Execs just seem to love young athletic prospects who they hope can develop into competent shooters these days.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:03pm #1009449

he_gets_bucketsParticipantHes no where near the leagues worst shooter anymore- last season he improved incredibly, he wasn’t shooting 3s, but he was shooting 45% from mid range which was in Nowitski territory, and on a reasonably large sample size. Dude has improved and I’m expecting a breakout year for him this year
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:27pm #1009455
GBeeParticipantWhere are you getting that 45% figure?
He shot zero 3’s and shot 36% on jumpers, 37% if you go by 82games definition of jumpers. 38% if you confine it to the mid-range (15-19 ft).
0- Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 7:17pm #1009463
wonzi_bellsParticipantHe shot 39.6% in between 10 feet out until the three-point line. Still better than what he was before but I don’t think he shot 45% in enough of a volume anywhere in the mid-range.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 7:17pm #1009600
wonzi_bellsParticipantHe shot 39.6% in between 10 feet out until the three-point line. Still better than what he was before but I don’t think he shot 45% in enough of a volume anywhere in the mid-range.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 8:32pm #1009475

he_gets_bucketsParticipantMy bad I was going off what I remembered the figure was a while ago when there was MKG post, and I just checked the stats then and it was 50% between 10 and 16 feet, whereas only 37 between 16 feet and the 3 line- however this figure is still good enough to put him in a category with guys like Damian Lillard(38% from 16-3pt Line) and better than a guy like Brad Beal(33% from same distance). Whilst overall Lillard only took 14.7% of his total shots from that range, half of MKG’s 29.7%, Beal took 27.7% of his shots from that range which is a comparable figure to MKG, and Beal is lauded as a fantastic shooter. Now, in no way am I saying that MKG is a sniper or that Bradley Beal is a poor shooter- I am merely pointing out that MKG cops a lot of flack for being this terrible shooter when he has improved incredibly from college and his rookie season.
Again, my bad with the stat, should’ve double checked the regions
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 8:32pm #1009612

he_gets_bucketsParticipantMy bad I was going off what I remembered the figure was a while ago when there was MKG post, and I just checked the stats then and it was 50% between 10 and 16 feet, whereas only 37 between 16 feet and the 3 line- however this figure is still good enough to put him in a category with guys like Damian Lillard(38% from 16-3pt Line) and better than a guy like Brad Beal(33% from same distance). Whilst overall Lillard only took 14.7% of his total shots from that range, half of MKG’s 29.7%, Beal took 27.7% of his shots from that range which is a comparable figure to MKG, and Beal is lauded as a fantastic shooter. Now, in no way am I saying that MKG is a sniper or that Bradley Beal is a poor shooter- I am merely pointing out that MKG cops a lot of flack for being this terrible shooter when he has improved incredibly from college and his rookie season.
Again, my bad with the stat, should’ve double checked the regions
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:27pm #1009593
GBeeParticipantWhere are you getting that 45% figure?
He shot zero 3’s and shot 36% on jumpers, 37% if you go by 82games definition of jumpers. 38% if you confine it to the mid-range (15-19 ft).
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- Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:03pm #1009586

he_gets_bucketsParticipantHes no where near the leagues worst shooter anymore- last season he improved incredibly, he wasn’t shooting 3s, but he was shooting 45% from mid range which was in Nowitski territory, and on a reasonably large sample size. Dude has improved and I’m expecting a breakout year for him this year
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:12pm #1009451

BleedGreen808ParticipantA lot of it has to do with timing. Steph got his extention in the middle of him having recurring ankle injuries that required a couple of surgeries. His contract is a huge steal now that he’s healthy, an all-star, and the MVP. However, once he’s up for an extension he will get a huge salary increase.
MKG along with many young players are becoming eligible for an extension or are hitting free agency just as the big cap increases are happening. You can look at Jonas Valanciunas getting 4yrs/64mil after averaging 12pts and 8.7rebs last season. While Vucevic is on a 4yr/53mil contract and averaged 19.3pts and 10.9rebs.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:12pm #1009589

BleedGreen808ParticipantA lot of it has to do with timing. Steph got his extention in the middle of him having recurring ankle injuries that required a couple of surgeries. His contract is a huge steal now that he’s healthy, an all-star, and the MVP. However, once he’s up for an extension he will get a huge salary increase.
MKG along with many young players are becoming eligible for an extension or are hitting free agency just as the big cap increases are happening. You can look at Jonas Valanciunas getting 4yrs/64mil after averaging 12pts and 8.7rebs last season. While Vucevic is on a 4yr/53mil contract and averaged 19.3pts and 10.9rebs.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:54pm #1009457

Taylor Gang MikeParticipantMKG is not a Max player… At All
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 6:54pm #1009594

Taylor Gang MikeParticipantMKG is not a Max player… At All
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 7:09pm #1009459
Rip255Yeah thats too much in my opinion. Nice guy, hard worker blah blah…so is 3/4 of the league.
He cant shoot and cant facilitate. Hes not even 3&D. Hes just D.
Charlotte has to overpay but his ceiling is as a good role player.
His true value is half that. 8m per season as the 5th option in a starting lineup.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 7:09pm #1009596
Rip255Yeah thats too much in my opinion. Nice guy, hard worker blah blah…so is 3/4 of the league.
He cant shoot and cant facilitate. Hes not even 3&D. Hes just D.
Charlotte has to overpay but his ceiling is as a good role player.
His true value is half that. 8m per season as the 5th option in a starting lineup.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 10:52pm #1009477
thetrademachineryParticipantc’mon this guy was born in 1993, at the same age as WCS, Kaminsky younger than Hood Mcdermott. Same age as KJ Mcdaniels.
And he is already a seasoned nba player with excellent defensive abilities.
He can be still considered in a rookie class with that age, and has untapped potential. That much money he deserves.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 08/24/2015 - 10:52pm #1009614
thetrademachineryParticipantc’mon this guy was born in 1993, at the same age as WCS, Kaminsky younger than Hood Mcdermott. Same age as KJ Mcdaniels.
And he is already a seasoned nba player with excellent defensive abilities.
He can be still considered in a rookie class with that age, and has untapped potential. That much money he deserves.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 4:01am #1009493
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThe warriors struck gold with that curry extension. That was just a matter of locking a player up at the right price at the right time. Based on what he had done to that point in his career and the fact that he had pretty severe injury concerns at time it was actually pretty fair market value. No one could have honestly predicted he’d blossom into one of the best players in the league so quickly.
As far as mkg goes, the guy is not just a pretty good defender. Outside of maybe kawhi Leonard, he has more potential as a defensive stopper than probably any young wing in the NBA. Given the fact that he is only 22 years old, by all accounts has a tremendous work ethic and is a high character guy you have to take the gamble that he will improve enough offensively to justify this deal. You also have to remember that this is Charlotte, which is not exactly a highly desired free agent destination, so they have to place a premium on keeping and developing the young talent they already have. Although I’m not sure about some other recent decisions the hornets have made, I think this was the right call. If they had waited they would have likely had to shell out even more to keep him.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 4:01am #1009630
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantThe warriors struck gold with that curry extension. That was just a matter of locking a player up at the right price at the right time. Based on what he had done to that point in his career and the fact that he had pretty severe injury concerns at time it was actually pretty fair market value. No one could have honestly predicted he’d blossom into one of the best players in the league so quickly.
As far as mkg goes, the guy is not just a pretty good defender. Outside of maybe kawhi Leonard, he has more potential as a defensive stopper than probably any young wing in the NBA. Given the fact that he is only 22 years old, by all accounts has a tremendous work ethic and is a high character guy you have to take the gamble that he will improve enough offensively to justify this deal. You also have to remember that this is Charlotte, which is not exactly a highly desired free agent destination, so they have to place a premium on keeping and developing the young talent they already have. Although I’m not sure about some other recent decisions the hornets have made, I think this was the right call. If they had waited they would have likely had to shell out even more to keep him.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 6:34am #1009513
whiteflashParticipantNever understood this guys appeal. I keep hearing what a good defender he is, but he’s never even averaged 1 [one] steal a game, can’t shoot, can’t create, bad handle, can’t pass, not overly athletic, only plays about thirty minutes a game, injury prone… The only positive I see with him is he’s a pretty good rebounder at the sf position. I see a homeless man’s Gerald Wallace without the hops.
0- Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 9:32am #1009668
GBeeParticipantThat’s what you’re going with? Using his steals rate to knock his defense? Please.
At the SF position he is only behind the ELITE of the league in terms of statistical defensive impact. His dRPM only trails behind Kawhi, Tony Allen and Draymond at that position. Those are DPOY candidates. His own team is + 8-9 defensively each game when he’s on the floor. That is not common at all. You only see those type of numbers associated with legit big man defensive anchors, not wings.
Knock him for his offense. He’s bad there, even his finishing is mediocre, but his impact defensively is undeniable.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 9:32am #1009531
GBeeParticipantThat’s what you’re going with? Using his steals rate to knock his defense? Please.
At the SF position he is only behind the ELITE of the league in terms of statistical defensive impact. His dRPM only trails behind Kawhi, Tony Allen and Draymond at that position. Those are DPOY candidates. His own team is + 8-9 defensively each game when he’s on the floor. That is not common at all. You only see those type of numbers associated with legit big man defensive anchors, not wings.
Knock him for his offense. He’s bad there, even his finishing is mediocre, but his impact defensively is undeniable.
0- Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 4:17pm #1009738
whiteflashParticipantSorry, was in a rush to get to work and didn’t convey my total point. I see what you’re saying, but this is where all of the new age advanced metrics and analytics fuck things up. He may [and does] play solid team and man D, but this isn’t football where you can just avoid throwing the ball to a certain receiver ’cause Deon Sanders is covering him. The three guys you mentioned All averaged between 1.6-2.3 steals and .8-1.6 blocks. Obviously stats don’t paint the whole picture, but that kind of defensive prowess usually shows up in the box score. MKG averaged literally half a steal and a little over half a block [0.5 &0.7, respectively]. If he were a true lockdown defender, the numbers would support it. He plays solid D within their system, reads plays, plays angles, denies post entry…. but he is NOT a lockdown defender.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 4:17pm #1009601
whiteflashParticipantSorry, was in a rush to get to work and didn’t convey my total point. I see what you’re saying, but this is where all of the new age advanced metrics and analytics fuck things up. He may [and does] play solid team and man D, but this isn’t football where you can just avoid throwing the ball to a certain receiver ’cause Deon Sanders is covering him. The three guys you mentioned All averaged between 1.6-2.3 steals and .8-1.6 blocks. Obviously stats don’t paint the whole picture, but that kind of defensive prowess usually shows up in the box score. MKG averaged literally half a steal and a little over half a block [0.5 &0.7, respectively]. If he were a true lockdown defender, the numbers would support it. He plays solid D within their system, reads plays, plays angles, denies post entry…. but he is NOT a lockdown defender.
0- Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 5:13pm #1009748
GBeeParticipantBut the numbers do support it. You’re just looking at the wrong numbers. Boxscore stats are pretty meaningless for evaluating defense. A player can actually be a bad defender and get steals/blocks via gambling and breaking defensive integrity. What matters is how a player impacts the bottom line, aka the score. There are readily available stats that anyone can look up now that measure that.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 5:13pm #1009611
GBeeParticipantBut the numbers do support it. You’re just looking at the wrong numbers. Boxscore stats are pretty meaningless for evaluating defense. A player can actually be a bad defender and get steals/blocks via gambling and breaking defensive integrity. What matters is how a player impacts the bottom line, aka the score. There are readily available stats that anyone can look up now that measure that.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:16am #1009669
whiteflashParticipantNo, the advanced metrics and analytics support it, the stats don’t. I personally think advanced metrics and the like are the definition of "overlooking the forest for the trees". They don’t paint the whole picture. That’s pointing out what the team does when he’s out there, not his individual ability. If he were locking people down, he’d be ripping them or blocking their shots, but he’s not. That shows that he plays sound team defense but is pretty average individually. Aggressive individual defenders [Leonard, Green, Iguadala, Allen, etc…] lock people down and force turnovers, rip ball handlers, play passing lanes, get chase down blocks and even 1-on-1 blocks. MKG does literally none of that.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:54am #1009705
GBeeParticipantWhat do you think "analytics and advanced metrics" are? They’re stats. Stats that get to the very crux of what we’re discussing here, which is MKG’s defensive impact, both at the micro and macro levels (ie RAPM and PPP). Whichever scope you’re interested in, there is a stat for that, so in essence you can see the forest AND/OR trees, whereas just looking at box score stats is like idk, looking at dirt.
The goal of defense is to make it difficult for the opposing team to score. MKG does make it difficult for the opposition to score both at a team and individual level, at a very good rate too. The numbers reflect that. His dRPM reflects the totality of how he affects the defensive end. I’m sorry you don’t see that. Actually, I’m not. You’re just being dense and unaccepting of the fact there are clearly better statistical measures to evaluate aspects of the game.
If you wanna specifically talk about his ability to "lockdown" his matchup, I could delve even further statistically and expound on how MKG’s isolation defense (ISO points per possession against) is equal to a guy like Tony Allen’s (actually, MKGs is slightly better), but I’m pretty sure you’d find some lame reasoning to dismiss that too. If you were paying ANY attention to statistics in the past 7 years, you’d see just how little value box score stats have when evaluating defense. Stay in the dark or maybe you should limit your basketball discussion to just talking with casuals.
0- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:40am #1009715
whiteflashParticipantWell, that was awfully condescending. I’m not being dense or unaccepting in the least. I played in college and had oppertunities beyond and now coach high school. I’ve already written multiple times that box score stats don’t paint the whole picture, but they do provide some insight. You could say the same for analytics, but I personally feel that’s a fad that will be dismissed in the next 5-10 years. Remember in the NFL when everyone started running "The Wildcat"? Pro sports are copycat leagues. In the NBA a few teams had success with drafting high schoolers but overall it didn’t work well. Then, a few teams had success with drafting Euros but overall it didn’t work well. Now, a few teams have had success using these advanced metrics but in the long run it’ll be another attempt to go for the homerun instead working with the tried and true. Not sure why you’re being condescending and dismmissive towards what I’m writing.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:40am #1009852
whiteflashParticipantWell, that was awfully condescending. I’m not being dense or unaccepting in the least. I played in college and had oppertunities beyond and now coach high school. I’ve already written multiple times that box score stats don’t paint the whole picture, but they do provide some insight. You could say the same for analytics, but I personally feel that’s a fad that will be dismissed in the next 5-10 years. Remember in the NFL when everyone started running "The Wildcat"? Pro sports are copycat leagues. In the NBA a few teams had success with drafting high schoolers but overall it didn’t work well. Then, a few teams had success with drafting Euros but overall it didn’t work well. Now, a few teams have had success using these advanced metrics but in the long run it’ll be another attempt to go for the homerun instead working with the tried and true. Not sure why you’re being condescending and dismmissive towards what I’m writing.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 8:54am #1009842
GBeeParticipantWhat do you think "analytics and advanced metrics" are? They’re stats. Stats that get to the very crux of what we’re discussing here, which is MKG’s defensive impact, both at the micro and macro levels (ie RAPM and PPP). Whichever scope you’re interested in, there is a stat for that, so in essence you can see the forest AND/OR trees, whereas just looking at box score stats is like idk, looking at dirt.
The goal of defense is to make it difficult for the opposing team to score. MKG does make it difficult for the opposition to score both at a team and individual level, at a very good rate too. The numbers reflect that. His dRPM reflects the totality of how he affects the defensive end. I’m sorry you don’t see that. Actually, I’m not. You’re just being dense and unaccepting of the fact there are clearly better statistical measures to evaluate aspects of the game.
If you wanna specifically talk about his ability to "lockdown" his matchup, I could delve even further statistically and expound on how MKG’s isolation defense (ISO points per possession against) is equal to a guy like Tony Allen’s (actually, MKGs is slightly better), but I’m pretty sure you’d find some lame reasoning to dismiss that too. If you were paying ANY attention to statistics in the past 7 years, you’d see just how little value box score stats have when evaluating defense. Stay in the dark or maybe you should limit your basketball discussion to just talking with casuals.
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- Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 6:16am #1009806
whiteflashParticipantNo, the advanced metrics and analytics support it, the stats don’t. I personally think advanced metrics and the like are the definition of "overlooking the forest for the trees". They don’t paint the whole picture. That’s pointing out what the team does when he’s out there, not his individual ability. If he were locking people down, he’d be ripping them or blocking their shots, but he’s not. That shows that he plays sound team defense but is pretty average individually. Aggressive individual defenders [Leonard, Green, Iguadala, Allen, etc…] lock people down and force turnovers, rip ball handlers, play passing lanes, get chase down blocks and even 1-on-1 blocks. MKG does literally none of that.
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- Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 6:34am #1009650
whiteflashParticipantNever understood this guys appeal. I keep hearing what a good defender he is, but he’s never even averaged 1 [one] steal a game, can’t shoot, can’t create, bad handle, can’t pass, not overly athletic, only plays about thirty minutes a game, injury prone… The only positive I see with him is he’s a pretty good rebounder at the sf position. I see a homeless man’s Gerald Wallace without the hops.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 12:21pm #1009698
Stephen A. BaylessParticipantThis isn’t a terrible deal, it’s just not a good one either.
I’m also not sure why Charlotte is in a rush to re-sign him. It just doesn’t make sense to offer Kidd-Gilchrist an extension unless it’s favorable to the team. He’s played less than 1600 minutes each of the past two season. Something in the 4year 38-42 range would have been great if you want to lock him up early.
But it’s not terrible. He’s already a very good defender, an elite positional rebounder. But his offensive game does need work. In his defense, he’d look better if the team ran more and if he had a playmaking point guard. He’s probably never going to be much of a ball handler, but he DOES need to greatly improve his shooting.
As pointed out he shot 37% from 16ft to 3point, and that’s not atrocious but it also doesn’t factor in that teams left him wide open and clogged up the rest of the offense. You can’t even position him at the 3pt for pseudo-spacing because he shot exactly 0 3pt shots, and teams will leave him wide open from there until he hits a couple.
The 50% he shot from 10-16ft is completely misleading as far as shooting improvement. It was only 7% of his total shot attempts and he had less than 500 total shots on the season. Simple math tells us that he shot less than 35 total attempts from that range on the season, way too small of a sample size to make any real conclusions from. Before last year he only shot 15% from that range on an even smaller sample size, so great fluctation can probably be expected until the amount of shots from that range goes up.
By virtue of being the #2 pick MKG had more leverage than most first round picks though. His Qualifying offer would have been $8 million. It wouldn’t have made sense for him to accept a deal around $10 million early. So Charlotte had to increase it a bit from that.
So with all things considered it’s an ok deal.
0 - Posted on: Tue, 08/25/2015 - 12:21pm #1009561
Stephen A. BaylessParticipantThis isn’t a terrible deal, it’s just not a good one either.
I’m also not sure why Charlotte is in a rush to re-sign him. It just doesn’t make sense to offer Kidd-Gilchrist an extension unless it’s favorable to the team. He’s played less than 1600 minutes each of the past two season. Something in the 4year 38-42 range would have been great if you want to lock him up early.
But it’s not terrible. He’s already a very good defender, an elite positional rebounder. But his offensive game does need work. In his defense, he’d look better if the team ran more and if he had a playmaking point guard. He’s probably never going to be much of a ball handler, but he DOES need to greatly improve his shooting.
As pointed out he shot 37% from 16ft to 3point, and that’s not atrocious but it also doesn’t factor in that teams left him wide open and clogged up the rest of the offense. You can’t even position him at the 3pt for pseudo-spacing because he shot exactly 0 3pt shots, and teams will leave him wide open from there until he hits a couple.
The 50% he shot from 10-16ft is completely misleading as far as shooting improvement. It was only 7% of his total shot attempts and he had less than 500 total shots on the season. Simple math tells us that he shot less than 35 total attempts from that range on the season, way too small of a sample size to make any real conclusions from. Before last year he only shot 15% from that range on an even smaller sample size, so great fluctation can probably be expected until the amount of shots from that range goes up.
By virtue of being the #2 pick MKG had more leverage than most first round picks though. His Qualifying offer would have been $8 million. It wouldn’t have made sense for him to accept a deal around $10 million early. So Charlotte had to increase it a bit from that.
So with all things considered it’s an ok deal.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:04am #1009786
phila9012ParticipantThe new TV money makes this deal a fair value for both player and team, it doesn’t kick in until next year and on the second year of it the cap will be 110-120 million. Which would make it like a 7 to 8 million a year deal going by this years cap, which is fair value for a top 5 wing defender in the NBA who is only 21 with a developing jumpshot. Smart by the hornets and a decent decision by MKG to sign it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 5:04am #1009649
phila9012ParticipantThe new TV money makes this deal a fair value for both player and team, it doesn’t kick in until next year and on the second year of it the cap will be 110-120 million. Which would make it like a 7 to 8 million a year deal going by this years cap, which is fair value for a top 5 wing defender in the NBA who is only 21 with a developing jumpshot. Smart by the hornets and a decent decision by MKG to sign it.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:35am #1009711
mamadouParticipantMKG facts.
He’s 21 since he was a champ, drafted at 18.
Not his fault, if his president is MJ, if he plays in the east, half court game, horrendous shooting team and kemba as his ‘PG'(5 assists 16 FGA, 38% FG PG).
How much flashier would he be with pace, open floor, fast breaks, easy points(hornets are 29 out of 30 teams), shooters(dead last in the league, the splash brothers made more threes than the entire team), manufactured points with a true assist man, blake griffin was a better passer than kemba last year.
He’s the best rebounding SF in the league, while playing 29 minutes per game(the rebounder draymond 25 YO is at the 4, same draft).
There’s no coincidence if the hornets are a 30% wins team in the last 2 seasons without him and a 53% wins team(PO team) with him, that’s his brand, winning basketball, he’s the only hornet in that case, no offense to the others, that’s a reality.
Same DRPM as Gobert, the next generation of DPOY candidates if you know your &$#%#&@! about D, individual D, versatility, on ball, off ball, team D, help D and you’re not judging D with steals and weakside shot blocking like a noob.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 9:35am #1009848
mamadouParticipantMKG facts.
He’s 21 since he was a champ, drafted at 18.
Not his fault, if his president is MJ, if he plays in the east, half court game, horrendous shooting team and kemba as his ‘PG'(5 assists 16 FGA, 38% FG PG).
How much flashier would he be with pace, open floor, fast breaks, easy points(hornets are 29 out of 30 teams), shooters(dead last in the league, the splash brothers made more threes than the entire team), manufactured points with a true assist man, blake griffin was a better passer than kemba last year.
He’s the best rebounding SF in the league, while playing 29 minutes per game(the rebounder draymond 25 YO is at the 4, same draft).
There’s no coincidence if the hornets are a 30% wins team in the last 2 seasons without him and a 53% wins team(PO team) with him, that’s his brand, winning basketball, he’s the only hornet in that case, no offense to the others, that’s a reality.
Same DRPM as Gobert, the next generation of DPOY candidates if you know your &$#%#&@! about D, individual D, versatility, on ball, off ball, team D, help D and you’re not judging D with steals and weakside shot blocking like a noob.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:26am #1009733

HitsterParticipantMKG isn’t a prolific scorer nor that great a shooter but he plays very good defence, is regarded as an all round good character guy and is one of the very best rebounding SF’s in the league.
Charlotte could have probably offered him less but if they wanted to get the deal they had to meet his side’s demands. Also if he had a breakout year then his value could well go up sharply.
He will be on a better deal than his team mate Kemba Walker but with the cap rising this can account some way for that and MKG is still not even 22 so likely has more upside than the 25 year old Walker.
Comparing his deal to Steph Curry’s is a bit false too as Steph signed his extension 3 years back and as rightly pointed out above he’d come off an injury ruined season. If Steph had waited until 2013 or not had an injury hit 3rd year, his renewal would have been likely about $55 to 60 million range.
Steph Curry MVP will get a mega deal in 2017 when he’ll rightly become one of the highest paid players in the NBA.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 08/26/2015 - 11:26am #1009870

HitsterParticipantMKG isn’t a prolific scorer nor that great a shooter but he plays very good defence, is regarded as an all round good character guy and is one of the very best rebounding SF’s in the league.
Charlotte could have probably offered him less but if they wanted to get the deal they had to meet his side’s demands. Also if he had a breakout year then his value could well go up sharply.
He will be on a better deal than his team mate Kemba Walker but with the cap rising this can account some way for that and MKG is still not even 22 so likely has more upside than the 25 year old Walker.
Comparing his deal to Steph Curry’s is a bit false too as Steph signed his extension 3 years back and as rightly pointed out above he’d come off an injury ruined season. If Steph had waited until 2013 or not had an injury hit 3rd year, his renewal would have been likely about $55 to 60 million range.
Steph Curry MVP will get a mega deal in 2017 when he’ll rightly become one of the highest paid players in the NBA.
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