Tha Plumlee Bros: One is better than the other

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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:31pm #51060

DolanCare
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I believe that Mason Plumlee has a future in the league. His defense is solid, not great but solid. On offense he has nice instincts, has a decent hook shot and knows how to tip the ball. I could see him playing as a 7th-8th man for years to come.
Miles on the other hand, I can’t see him playing many minutes ever. I realize he has amassed some decent stats in the summer league last year and in the past two games. But when you actually sit down and watch him play, it is hard to ignore how limited he is. He can jump really high, but it takes him a while to get off the ground and he can’t seem to use his leaping ability for anything besides rebounding.
Does anyone see a future for Miles Plumlee in the league? He may be one of the oddest first round picks I have ever seen BTW.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:39pm #817003

Chilbert arenas
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I still think Soloman Hill was an odder pick than Miles. I’ve never been a huge fan of either, but I think guys that are 6’10 that are as athletic as they are will be able to find ways to stay in the league, even Miles. Even if he doesn’t workout in Indy I think Miles will have other teams taking a look at him. Mason will most likely get some minutes this year due to the fact that the Nets bench is limited and I don’t expect KG or Brook to both be able to play 82 games based off recent history.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:16am #817206
  
  TallmanNYC
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  Actually Nets are very deep at PF and C. Blatche is back up C and can easily do the 20 minutes a night he did last year. He can also play PF spot. On a per 36 he was 19 and 9 last year. Reggie Evans is back up PF and he started last season. Garnett can swing to C and will for stretches, perhaps paired with Blatche. Going small Toko and Mirza are both 6′ 9″ or so and have played the PF spot and could pair with a “small” lineup that features Garnett at C.
  I suspect Mason will get minutes because I think he is ready to contribute. But the Nets bench is far from thin, at least not at PF or C.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:16am #817109
  
  TallmanNYC
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  Actually Nets are very deep at PF and C. Blatche is back up C and can easily do the 20 minutes a night he did last year. He can also play PF spot. On a per 36 he was 19 and 9 last year. Reggie Evans is back up PF and he started last season. Garnett can swing to C and will for stretches, perhaps paired with Blatche. Going small Toko and Mirza are both 6′ 9″ or so and have played the PF spot and could pair with a “small” lineup that features Garnett at C.
  I suspect Mason will get minutes because I think he is ready to contribute. But the Nets bench is far from thin, at least not at PF or C.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:39pm #817100

Chilbert arenas
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I still think Soloman Hill was an odder pick than Miles. I’ve never been a huge fan of either, but I think guys that are 6’10 that are as athletic as they are will be able to find ways to stay in the league, even Miles. Even if he doesn’t workout in Indy I think Miles will have other teams taking a look at him. Mason will most likely get some minutes this year due to the fact that the Nets bench is limited and I don’t expect KG or Brook to both be able to play 82 games based off recent history.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:48pm #817007

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You think a 6’10 guy from a major university who can really jump being picked late 1st round is up there with the oddest first round picks? Rafael Araujo was picked 8th overall and was labeled a bust the moment he was selected lol.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:49pm #817051
  
  DolanCare
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  Araujo was a major bust. But he benefited from the international mystic that many teams fall for. I’m not excusing it but it definitely something that has happened before in the past. Mason Plumlee had the misfortune of playing 4 years on a stage filled with scouts. It was hard to notice how unskilled he was. That’s what I meant by a surprise- I was floored that under the circumstances he snuck in the first round… even though it was a late selection.
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  - Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 7:38pm #817168
    
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    Araujo was not an international man of mystery. he played in BYU in Utah where scouts could have made multiple visits and see how his game is and if it would translate well to the nba.
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  - Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 7:38pm #817071
    
    benny15
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    Araujo was not an international man of mystery. he played in BYU in Utah where scouts could have made multiple visits and see how his game is and if it would translate well to the nba.
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    - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 7:08am #817179
      
      DolanCare
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      Lol. I thought he played in Brazil and the ACB. My bad.
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    - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 7:08am #817275
      
      DolanCare
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      Lol. I thought he played in Brazil and the ACB. My bad.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:49pm #817148
  
  DolanCare
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  Araujo was a major bust. But he benefited from the international mystic that many teams fall for. I’m not excusing it but it definitely something that has happened before in the past. Mason Plumlee had the misfortune of playing 4 years on a stage filled with scouts. It was hard to notice how unskilled he was. That’s what I meant by a surprise- I was floored that under the circumstances he snuck in the first round… even though it was a late selection.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:48pm #817104

hbomb3300
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You think a 6’10 guy from a major university who can really jump being picked late 1st round is up there with the oddest first round picks? Rafael Araujo was picked 8th overall and was labeled a bust the moment he was selected lol.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:51pm #817011

JordanC20
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The way I see it with Bird he goes after a star if Indiana fails to make the playoffs but if they do he goes after guys that do dirty work.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:51pm #817108

JordanC20
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The way I see it with Bird he goes after a star if Indiana fails to make the playoffs but if they do he goes after guys that do dirty work.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:55pm #817009

Chilbert arenas
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LOL Rafael Araujo! Man oh man…
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:04pm #817013
  
  mattystars
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  that name haunts raptors fans
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:04pm #817110
  
  mattystars
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  that name haunts raptors fans
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:52pm #817158
  
  BenchWarmer
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  I always get it out of my mind then one of you guys has to bring him up as some sort of sick joke. Why do I even put up with the raptors?… I should become a bandwagon fan.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:52pm #817061
  
  BenchWarmer
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  I always get it out of my mind then one of you guys has to bring him up as some sort of sick joke. Why do I even put up with the raptors?… I should become a bandwagon fan.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 4:55pm #817106

Chilbert arenas
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LOL Rafael Araujo! Man oh man…
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:26pm #817025

phila9012
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I see him as a nick collison. He can play 20 to 25 minutes a game and a spot starter if there is injuries and get you 6-7 points, 6-7 rebounds and a block a game while playing above average defense. I think he will develop a 15ft jumper and that will complete his game.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 9:49pm #817182
  
  Jester87
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  Nick Collison is really very different. They might end up having similar stats, but Collison is a very cerebral player, with good fundamentals, great knowledge of the game and without great athleticism. He has decent shooting touch from as far as 20 ft and some good post moves, but lacks explosiveness. Plumlee is a very explosive athlete without shooting touch (and quite an odd shooting form, so I’m not so confident on his chances to develop a jumper quickly), he’s added one or two post moves to his game but still looks a bit mechanic. On D he plays smart but not even close to Collison’s level.
  Honestly Plumlee’s first two games of the Summer League didn’t impress me, it was like he wasn’t even taking a look at the basket, just setting screens for both on and off the ball players, trying to get rebounds and nothing else. If it’s a good thing that he’s unselfish, playing for the team and is able to be a role player, he seemed a bit lost on offense. When he did receive the ball on the low post he didn’t look comfortable at all trying to create his own shot. He looks mostly as a bruiser, a 15ft jumper would really help him, but I think he a lot of work to do on it.
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- Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 9:49pm #817085
  
  Jester87
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  Nick Collison is really very different. They might end up having similar stats, but Collison is a very cerebral player, with good fundamentals, great knowledge of the game and without great athleticism. He has decent shooting touch from as far as 20 ft and some good post moves, but lacks explosiveness. Plumlee is a very explosive athlete without shooting touch (and quite an odd shooting form, so I’m not so confident on his chances to develop a jumper quickly), he’s added one or two post moves to his game but still looks a bit mechanic. On D he plays smart but not even close to Collison’s level.
  Honestly Plumlee’s first two games of the Summer League didn’t impress me, it was like he wasn’t even taking a look at the basket, just setting screens for both on and off the ball players, trying to get rebounds and nothing else. If it’s a good thing that he’s unselfish, playing for the team and is able to be a role player, he seemed a bit lost on offense. When he did receive the ball on the low post he didn’t look comfortable at all trying to create his own shot. He looks mostly as a bruiser, a 15ft jumper would really help him, but I think he a lot of work to do on it.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:18am #817207
    
    TallmanNYC
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    The six blocks he got in the first summer league game didn’t impress you? Man you are hard to impress.
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  - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:18am #817111
    
    TallmanNYC
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    The six blocks he got in the first summer league game didn’t impress you? Man you are hard to impress.
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    - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 3:30am #817231
      
      Jester87
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      I was talking about Mason Plumlee, not Miles. Anyways, I should have been more specific, my bad, but I was talking about his offense. I was quite disappointed because he showed some improvements in his senior year at Duke and I expected something more.
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    - Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 3:30am #817135
      
      Jester87
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      I was talking about Mason Plumlee, not Miles. Anyways, I should have been more specific, my bad, but I was talking about his offense. I was quite disappointed because he showed some improvements in his senior year at Duke and I expected something more.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:26pm #817122

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I see him as a nick collison. He can play 20 to 25 minutes a game and a spot starter if there is injuries and get you 6-7 points, 6-7 rebounds and a block a game while playing above average defense. I think he will develop a 15ft jumper and that will complete his game.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:59pm #817031

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Mason is absolutely the better basketball player. But Miles, barring any major injuries, will be in the league 10+ years. He already beat all odds to get drafted in the 1st round, when he was projected to be a late 2nd or even non drafted going into his Senior year.
Duke doesn’t always produce the best NBA All – Stars, but the school produces plenty of NBA players that stick in the league or make rosters when they shouldn’t.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 5:59pm #817128

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Mason is absolutely the better basketball player. But Miles, barring any major injuries, will be in the league 10+ years. He already beat all odds to get drafted in the 1st round, when he was projected to be a late 2nd or even non drafted going into his Senior year.
Duke doesn’t always produce the best NBA All – Stars, but the school produces plenty of NBA players that stick in the league or make rosters when they shouldn’t.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:50pm #817154

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They selected Miles saying he was like Jeff Foster and I can honestly see him having a similar career to that.
Mason Plumlee’s ceiling is quite a bit higher in my opinion, his lowest type production to me is Nick Collison and ceiling along the lines of a bigger JJ Hickson.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 6:50pm #817057

festar35
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They selected Miles saying he was like Jeff Foster and I can honestly see him having a similar career to that.
Mason Plumlee’s ceiling is quite a bit higher in my opinion, his lowest type production to me is Nick Collison and ceiling along the lines of a bigger JJ Hickson.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:33am #817211
  
  TallmanNYC
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  That is high praise since Jeff Foster was quite solid and a very long career.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:33am #817115
  
  TallmanNYC
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  That is high praise since Jeff Foster was quite solid and a very long career.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 8:32pm #817180

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The thing is Miles Plumlee always looks good in workouts and practices but can never put it all together in a real game consistently.
Mason on the other hand has proven he can carry a load like he did at Duke last year. I personally struggle to see where Miles will find his niche.
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 8:32pm #817083

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The thing is Miles Plumlee always looks good in workouts and practices but can never put it all together in a real game consistently.
Mason on the other hand has proven he can carry a load like he did at Duke last year. I personally struggle to see where Miles will find his niche.
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 7:36am #817201
  
  Siggy
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  Mason’s ability to “carry the load” for Duke doesn’t matter because that won’t nearly be his role in the NBA. What matters is what role they project to play and how well they project to play it. Both project to have similar roles as a energy, athletic bigs off the bench. What Miles has over Mason is bulk and strength which will enable him to defend the bigger C’s
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- Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 7:36am #817297
  
  Siggy
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  Mason’s ability to “carry the load” for Duke doesn’t matter because that won’t nearly be his role in the NBA. What matters is what role they project to play and how well they project to play it. Both project to have similar roles as a energy, athletic bigs off the bench. What Miles has over Mason is bulk and strength which will enable him to defend the bigger C’s
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 10:12pm #817184

Ahkasi Clay
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C’mon
Utah is about as international as you can get wuth out actually leaving the country!
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Posted on: Mon, 07/08/2013 - 10:12pm #817087

Ahkasi Clay
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C’mon
Utah is about as international as you can get wuth out actually leaving the country!
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:32am #817209

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First I do agree that Miles is interesting in that he is the definition of a slow leaper. He skies when he has a nice running start, but he doesn’t just explode off a standing position.
But he looked good in the one summer game I saw. He rebounded the ball and he blocked 6 shots. He also handed off a few assists and he did score on some hook shots. But really those attempts to score are just something he is going to do in summer league and garbage time for now. He isn’t going to initiate offense during a meaningful NBA game. I think OP is doing the common problem of not really understanding the ways big men can contribute. Miles should model his game off of Birdman. If you saw the Indian – Heat series you saw how helpful it can be to have a Center who is rebounding, blocking shots and finishing at the rim even if he never takes a jump shot.
Mason has more skills than Miles and seems to be pretty much ready to go. He grabbed rebounds at a high rate in college and he also has better touch to finish around the rim than his brother. No one is going to run their offense through Mason at the NBA level either, but many teams don’t run their offense through their PFs and Centers. Certainly the Nets won’t need anything more than about five minutes of rebounds, blocks and dunks out of Mason this year.
Both guys are role players. Miles much more limited with serious deficiencies, but still enough good stuff to stick in the league. Mason with smaller deficiencies, but plenty of good stuff in the hustle stats. Also Mason has at least a chance of developing a decent stand still 15 jumper.
I think both guys will workout well for their teams as late first round picks. Mason actually seems like a steal to me at the 22 pick.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 2:32am #817113

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First I do agree that Miles is interesting in that he is the definition of a slow leaper. He skies when he has a nice running start, but he doesn’t just explode off a standing position.
But he looked good in the one summer game I saw. He rebounded the ball and he blocked 6 shots. He also handed off a few assists and he did score on some hook shots. But really those attempts to score are just something he is going to do in summer league and garbage time for now. He isn’t going to initiate offense during a meaningful NBA game. I think OP is doing the common problem of not really understanding the ways big men can contribute. Miles should model his game off of Birdman. If you saw the Indian – Heat series you saw how helpful it can be to have a Center who is rebounding, blocking shots and finishing at the rim even if he never takes a jump shot.
Mason has more skills than Miles and seems to be pretty much ready to go. He grabbed rebounds at a high rate in college and he also has better touch to finish around the rim than his brother. No one is going to run their offense through Mason at the NBA level either, but many teams don’t run their offense through their PFs and Centers. Certainly the Nets won’t need anything more than about five minutes of rebounds, blocks and dunks out of Mason this year.
Both guys are role players. Miles much more limited with serious deficiencies, but still enough good stuff to stick in the league. Mason with smaller deficiencies, but plenty of good stuff in the hustle stats. Also Mason has at least a chance of developing a decent stand still 15 jumper.
I think both guys will workout well for their teams as late first round picks. Mason actually seems like a steal to me at the 22 pick.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 3:18am #817225

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Miles will have a career, he was a senior project which isn’t really that common, but he produced in the D-League last season. ( 11p/10r/2b ) He’s still not as good as Mahinmi, but I suspect he’ll see a bigger role. Miles brings offensive rebounding to the table, hell he averaged 1 offensive rebound in the 4 minutes per game he played as a rookie. I could see him even playing some PF next year with Indiana seemingly not having much interest in re-signing Phycho T.
I could eventually see Mason being a starter in the league. He can do a little more on offense, and although he’ll never be a guy who gets plays called for him, he’s not a liability and like his brother is good on the O glass tipping and dunking back misses. He’ll be brought along slowly in NJ, but I do think Mason has a future as a 1st big off the bench or starting caliber PF/C.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 3:18am #817129

JoeWolf1
Miles will have a career, he was a senior project which isn’t really that common, but he produced in the D-League last season. ( 11p/10r/2b ) He’s still not as good as Mahinmi, but I suspect he’ll see a bigger role. Miles brings offensive rebounding to the table, hell he averaged 1 offensive rebound in the 4 minutes per game he played as a rookie. I could see him even playing some PF next year with Indiana seemingly not having much interest in re-signing Phycho T.
I could eventually see Mason being a starter in the league. He can do a little more on offense, and although he’ll never be a guy who gets plays called for him, he’s not a liability and like his brother is good on the O glass tipping and dunking back misses. He’ll be brought along slowly in NJ, but I do think Mason has a future as a 1st big off the bench or starting caliber PF/C.
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 8:05am #817213

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Both Plumlees suffer from being good athletes – because of that they never really developed much in the way of hoop skills
Kelly Olynyk is the opposite – had to make up for lack of run jump ability by developing skills
Both Plumlees can be hustle guys, grab boards, etc
After 4 years at duke you’d think they could learn under and up moves and fall aways
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Posted on: Tue, 07/09/2013 - 8:05am #817310

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Both Plumlees suffer from being good athletes – because of that they never really developed much in the way of hoop skills
Kelly Olynyk is the opposite – had to make up for lack of run jump ability by developing skills
Both Plumlees can be hustle guys, grab boards, etc
After 4 years at duke you’d think they could learn under and up moves and fall aways
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