[gatorheelsParticipant]

Landesberg has been suspended for the remainder of the season for failing to meet academic obligations.

 

What does this mean for Landesberg?  Is he finished for good at Virginia?  Would it be best if he entered the 2010 draft? 

 

Personally I think he should go pro now.  He really can’t prove much more in college.  I don’t see his stock getting higher by returning for another season or two.   

[JNixonParticipant]

He’ll declare. I’m pretty sure he will. And Virginia will lose miserably in there last games of the season

[the barronParticipant]

It’s clear this guy really doesn’t have what it takes to get it done in the class room and doesnt want to risk this happening in further years at UVA and further hurting his draft status. He’s a second rounder right now and its a shame cuz i thought he could take virginia to the big dance in his jr or sr years.

[quinceyhodges]

now why exactly would he declare?…hesonly a soph. all he has to do is go to summer school and get his grades up. i hope his friends or family isnt giving him this same dumb advice to go in the draft. he has awholelot to prove like leading his team to a ncaa tournament and helping his draft stock because he could easily go late second round. it would be different if he was a old soph or lead his teamto a deep run in the tournament but he hasnt so his stockcan get alot better then it is now

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Quincey- Have you seen him play?

It isn’t dumb advice. I think Landesberg is a 1st Round pick… & his stock can’t get much higher.  Simple as that. 

[quinceyhodges]

umm yeah it was.. you think he is a 1st rounder. scouts ont he other hand say hes a boarderline early second round pick. how cant asoph’s game not get any better?. hes not flawless he has a coupel of things he could get better at like shooting defense, leading his team. this is the advice alot of guys thinking they are firstrounders get and endup putting there name in and then going second round. i dont know why you think this guy has maxed his talent at the age of 19.20, or even 21. hell a perfect example is vasquez who ccame back and rasied his stock and he doesnt even have the raw ability that this guy has. or how about jamer nelson who went back and raised his stock or nate robinson. how is it a good idea if you are a boarderline first rounder at best and youre only a sophmore?

[JNixonParticipant]

There really isn’t a point in him returning Quincey. It’s not only about the grades with him, it’s about Virginia not being good next year and him not having anything to prove in terms of production. He’s improved his shot, and that was the main thing holding back his NBA potential, so I think he’d be wise to declare.

[quinceyhodges]

matter of fact hes considered by sites, who talk to nba scouts, as a second rounder in the 2011 draft. he hasnt had the year of a first rounder this year. if he had then it would make sense to tell him to go in the draft

[quinceyhodges]

thats when you make the team good ala j. nelson. they have more talent then maryland on that team. guys get better during the summer on top of him only being a soph. and the guy can get alot better. so yeah he can improve and his team can improve. please tell me ya’ll are joking. no scout has him as a first rounder and he didnt have a first round year

[quinceyhodges]

and hes only 19……19…are you serious he cant get better????

[quinceyhodges]

impretty sure he has smart peopel in his corner telling him to go to workout and get info on his draft status after his workouts. thats what that option is for. makes no sense to just put youre name in the draft when youre stock isnt that high and when you can get go to workout and if you didnt raise youre stock you can go back to school

[JNixonParticipant]

He can go in the 1st round. I don’t think it’s impossible for him to be a 1st rounder, but I don’t think it’s carved in stone either. He’s made some necessary improvements from last year to be a 1st rounder though. He isn’t a great 3-ball shooter, but he can shoot from about 15-18 feet consistently from what I’ve seen this year. There is a chance he slips in the 2nd round, but he can make a roster easily for a team and be a good role player. The rookie contract isn’t as important as the 2nd deal is anyway, especially for a guy that’ll likely be a late 1st or early 2nd round pick. So money should be the last thing on his mind

[quinceyhodges]

so let me get this straight. it makes more since to hire a agent and go in the draft if you are boarderline over testing the draft and going to workouts and if youre stock doesnt rise go back to school?…riiiiiiiiiiight….. please tell me ya’ll are kidding?..its not about where fans think you can go its about what scouts and gm’s think you can go

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Landesberg can get better but not enough to raise his stock much higher, I don’t think.  Landesberg has a very polished game already.  Aran has told me personally that scouts worry about his upside.  Getting older isn’t going to help his stock.

[quinceyhodges]

thats why you tes the waters.you dont jump straight in. scouts said pysco t,j.nelson,vasquez,nate are all second rounders maybe end of first. each came back lead there team further then people expected and went higher the next year(vasquez still in college of course but his stock has went up from coming back). thats why i say it would be dumb which it would be. liek i said before you test the waters get feed back and if you arent a sure thing for first roudn you come back lead youre team further then what peopel thought and then youre stock rises. going from 19-20 is not gonna make that much of a difference

[JNixonParticipant]

No one doubts that he can get better, but it’s about just how much. I don’t think he’s going to get a great deal better than he is right now, so it would be wise to declare. He’s not going to be more than a role player who makes open shots and creates off the dribble. He already has some solid skills, and all of his weaknesses could all be improved in the NBA just as easily as they can be in college. Plus, why return and damage your stock by playing another year?

He’ll probably declare for the draft, I don’t see why that’s so hard for you to believe. Whether he gets an agent immediately is unknown, but I don’t think there is a prospect out there that would get an agent off the ball without knowing they will be a lottery pick.

[JNixonParticipant]

I said he’d declare. I agree he would be wise to workout and stuff before he signs and agent, and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what he’ll do. But he’ll declare either way. He’s too borderline to sign an agent immediately.

[quinceyhodges]

ok that makes more sense.. i still dont think he declares. doesnt have to because he still has 2 years left

[quinceyhodges]

i cant even find anywhere that has him as a first rounder. the sites that deals with scouts or the ones that dont. i cant even think of who he would replace in the first round potentially

[gatorheelsParticipant]

He would replace Vasquez LOL

[quinceyhodges]

not to mention they return there top 5 players next year plus add 2 guys ranked in the top 100. i mean its not like they lose everyone on the team

[quinceyhodges]

lol..riiiiiiiight because he has shown to be better then vasquez huh..lol. he needs to watch vasquez and see what comign back and leading youre team can do to youre draft stock. like i said if his people tells him to go and hire a agent without first testing the waters then they are dumb

[JNixonParticipant]

I don’t think anybody really knows who’s projected to be a late 1st round pick, so I don’t know who he’ll replace either. But there is basically no point in him returning to Virginia next season. For what? Everything he needs to improve can be improved in the NBA, and it’s not like Virginia will be a contender next year and he’s been productive enough to declare. He can definitely be a 1st rounder. No one though Quincy Douby, George Hill, Aaron Brooks, Jason Thompson, Toney Douglas, Alando Tucker, Christian Eyenga etc etc would be 1st rounders either. But guess what, they all were 1st rounders

[quinceyhodges]

the year they declared they were projected first rounders. hes not. hes a boarder line.. and wasnt quincy a sr?..matter of fact how many of those guys were srs?..this guy is a soph and you dont knowif virgina wont be good. they return there top 5 players so youre basing them not being good next year on what? liek i said it would be DUMB to just go in the draft without testing it. we make post about guys coming out too early all the time and being dumb for not testing the water first. if you are a boarderline first rounder at best then it is dumb to not test the waters. whts the worst that can happen?..teams tell you you are a second rounder and you go back to school and work on the parts of youre game that they tell you to work on. whats thw orst that happens when you get a agent?..have a bad workout dont get drafted and dont get the breaks to make a team and end up overseas playing for alot less money. this isnt even a arguement because testing makes sense and just going doesnt

[quinceyhodges]

and now imagin if all those guys you named( pretty sure they were all sr’s) went in the draft the year before?.then they might not have eeven made it int he nba. its different when you are a sr… you have no other option but to go in the draft

[JNixonParticipant]

Quincey Douby was a Junior and Eyenga was from Europe, but the rest of those guys were seniors. Not that that has much to do with anything, but yes, they were seniors.

And I don’t know why your saying it would be dumb to declare without testing 1st. I have said that I agree with that and that he will do that I’m sure.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I don’t pay a lot of attention to these mock drafts.  I just go by my own personal opinion (which can certainly be wrong) based on the games I’ve seen.  I’m high on Landesberg as a player & a prospect. I would take him over a lot of guys currently in the 1st round mock on this site.  A lot of the guys currently in the 2nd round are better than guys in the 1st

You are right Quincey though…he should test the waters. I won’t argue with that at all.  If he gets negative reports from GMs & scouts than he has to go back to school.  I just expect him to get good news from scouts & enter the draft.   I think his stock has pretty much peaked.

[quinceyhodges]

ok now ya’ll make sense with the testing the waters

[YurpleHazEParticipant]

I have seen a few UVA games and Landesberg has a silky smooth game…George Hill is great comparison….and yes i agree there is no point in him coming back to a UVA squad that is mediocre team and lacks depth..He’s young and has real upside he might aswell sharpen his game at the next level

[quinceyhodges]

the team wasnt that good this year but returns there top 5 players so how does that make sense not to return to a team like that?..howmany teams are just ok or average one year then return most of there team and are better the next year?..sometimes i wonder when people make comments like “they arent that good and cant get better” when its not a team full of sr’s. i guess that florida team that won the title was just so great the year before they won the title. schyer and shingler prob should have left last year because duke was as good as they were gonna be last year.. its not liek every team in the acc is gonna get a bunch of allamericans next year. alot of teams are losing alot more then virgina as far as important players. yeah theres no way virgina can possibly be better by brining back there top players and 2 top 100 players while other teams will lose more important players then them. what was i thinking, main case of when peopel say playerslisten to the wrong people. the only people i hope he listens to is the scouts to determine what he shoulddo with his career since they are the only people that matter, not fans

[JNixonParticipant]

All of those teams knew they would be good the next year though. Virginia doesn’t have the pieces this year or next year to make a run for the title that Duke or Florida does/did. Florida had 4 and 5 star recruits, McDonald’s All-Americans, up and down their roster and Duke does/did too. Do you really see Virginia having the pieces to contend for a title next year? Yes, they have a top 50 prospect and the number 99 prospect in the class, but do you really think that they will compete for a title next year by bringing in those 2 guys? They probably won’t even get to the NCAA tourny next year if you want to be realistic about everything.

[quinceyhodges]

no one knows if they have the players to do it. you dont and i dont. no one thought we had the players either and look how we finished tied for number one in the acc. no one thought unc would be this bad or the cuse would be this good. so saying they wont be better next year makes no senses. there talentisnt horrible. hell we had a time with them the last ame even without there star player. makes no sense to say a teamwont get better the next year when youre dealing with young kids who havent reached there potential yet.

[quinceyhodges]

and what does having the 5star recruits that florida have really mean?..the cuse had no players in the top 100 and now they are fighting for a number one seed. every single year teams get further then what was projected because players get better. the only person who can say that a team wont get better is someone who can tell the future. and players who are stars can make average team better and thats what nba teams like to see. thats how you raise you draft stock. and extra practice time cant replace actual game experience

[quinceyhodges]

which is another reason he isnt projected first round. putting up good numbers on a bad team doesnt help. putting up those same numbers while leading youre team to wins helps a whole lot. thats something 99 percent of first round draft picks have in common. leading there teams to wins. how many players on teams with losing records go first round?

[JNixonParticipant]

He’s still worthy of being a 1st round pick. All that putting up good numbers on a bad team has more to with his bad team than him being inefficient or taking a bunch of terrible shots. He’s not a Monta Ellis type of good player on a bad team, Virginia just sucks. Quick, I dare you, name 1 person on Virginia’s team besides him.

I’m sure NBA scouts like it when a player can make an average team better, but that’s when they’re looking for a superstar prospect or highly regarded prospect. Landesburg is not projected to be more than a role-player in the NBA, possibly not even a starter.

Also, Virginia is not an average team. Have you seen them play before? Because they are a below average team, and they don’t have very good coaching.

Florida recruited towards being a title contender. Them getting 5-star recruits showed that. They recruited prospects with alot of upside and ability to build a title team. Joakim Noah, Corey Brewer, Al Horford and Taurean Green and Chris Richards were all players that fit in with Donovan and were talented. Hence the recruiting accolades they got at Florida with that class(es) and how highly ranked most of those guys were.

Good for Syracuse not getting any top 100 recruits. That’s a great accomplishment. Happens every blue moon that a team wins a title like that though. There has only been 1 team to win a title without any McDonald’s All-American on their roster since the game was brought into existence, and that was the 2002 Maryland tema

[quinceyhodges]

same can be said abou maryland this year ..oher then vasquez no one could name another player on the roster….i asked and only maryland fans and diehard fans culd. as far as virgina i do know about the jeff kid. i even asked my bothers old coach who has nba connections from being a scout.. this kid is a second round pick. mid second round right now and that making a bad team good looks very well in the eyes of nba teams even if the player is just gonna be a role player. asked my old coach who also said going in the draft is a very bad idea for a soph if they arent even a sure thing as a first rounder. many people including you have even said in the past that if youre not a sure first rounder then you shouldnt go in the draft. and every team builds towards winning a title. billy didnt expect to win one in florida with that team and hes said as much. just because a team isnt good one year doesnt mean they wont be good the next year. remeber george mason?..gonzaga before they went on that deep run? they werent excpected to go that far. and how many teams in a major onference return there top 5 players and end up being worst? youre looking at things as a fan and not reality. in reality he is viewed as a second rounder. through youre fan eyes you see him as a first rounder. you have to learn to seperate that. im a big fan of vasquez but i knew he was a boarderline first rounder at best and scouts told him as much as well and he came back and proved he could be a that. there are too many guys in the ncaa who do what this guy does thats why hes a second rounder. and he knows it too which is why he is still going to class. thankfully he lsitened to the right people and got the right advice

[quinceyhodges]

and name me one first rounder who put up good numbers on a bad team

[JNixonParticipant]

Quincy Douby, Stephen Curry last season, Anthony Randolph, George Hill, J.R. Giddens, Morris Almond, Wilson Chandler, Renaldo Balkman. All 1st rounders on bad teams the year they declared.

Do ytou really believe Virginia is the next 2002 Maryland team next year?? Or the next George Mason?? Are you being serious right now.

And Virginia doesn’t have anyone that will get draft next year. I guarantee you that.

Don’t be surprised if Landesburg is a 1st round pick. I’m not a real fan of him at all actually. I’ve seen him play, but he’s not a guy that’s out of the question of being a 1st round pick in this draft. He’s not a surefire 1st rounder, but I’ve already said that. He’s definitely got a chance to be a 1st round pick though.

[quinceyhodges]

those werent bad teams..lol..didnt they all have winning or better records?..and stephen curry was a lock for first round as well as randolph almond chandler. lol..come on now youre really reaching. douby had a much better season as well. new mexico wasnt bad..as a matter of fact none of these teams were as bad a virgina. u have to just accept the fact that this guy is a second rounder no matter how much you wish he wasnt. ifhe has a good workout that can change but rightnow hes only a second rounder….lol..i mean reallyyou put him int he same catagory as stephen curry and randolph…2 guys who were lotto locks

[quinceyhodges]

and whos comparing him to those teams. im making a point that you cant say a team is not gonna get better because you dont know that. youre not a scout nor coach nor able to tell the future so theres no way you can know if a team will be better next year. the only thing you can do is guess just like the rest of us and youre guess is that they wont be better next year. i could say many peopel can be first rounders but that wont make it true. hes a second rounder unless he wows guys in workouts and or the predraft camp (hed be dumb not to go)

[quinceyhodges]

and ill say this again..any guy who is projected as a second or late first is DUMB to go in the draft unless its jus to test it. thats common sense and thats what the rules to test the draft was made for.

[JNixonParticipant]

Most of those teams weren’t as bad as Virginia, but all of them weren’t NCAA tourny teams. Rutgers (Quincey Douby), IUPUI, (George Hill) South Carolina (Balkman) and LSU (Anthony Randolph) actually had losing records. Rice (Almond) was 16-16.

Stephen Curry’s Davidson team wasn’t bad last year. They were an NIT team. And lost only 7 games. my bad.

I don’t know why you keep saying “if you a late 1st or 2nd round prospect it would be dumb to declare without signing an agent”. I have addressed that now for the 3rd time.

“i mean reallyyou put him int he same catagory as stephen curry and randolph…2 guys who were lotto locks”

You said name 1 guy who was a 1st rounder on a bad team. So I named players. I was answering what you put out there.

[quinceyhodges]

one thing you must have forgotten…all those guys went to camp and did work…and had great workouts. so liek i said before..unless he has a great camp or workout its a dumb move. without those things those guys wouldnt have went first round just like this guy. so if he were to go( which at this point he has smart people telling himnot to) then he would have to do exactly what i said which is have a great camp or great workout

[JNixonParticipant]

He’s going to declare. He’s not going to sign with an agent immediately.

No. I didn’t forget. I keep saying that he’s got a chance to be a 1st round pick, but it’s not carved in stone. He’s going to have to do all the same things everyone who declares has to do, I don’t think he can walk on water, but I do think he’ll do just fine and be a player that will get drafted and play in the NBA. Whether as a 1st or 2nd rounder.

[quinceyhodges]

so you know hes going to declare now..and how exactly do you know this?…and yeah he couldgo first round with a good camp and workout just liek many other second rounders

[JNixonParticipant]

You don’t think Landesburg will declare at all??

[quinceyhodges]

its usually kinda hard for a sg with just ok ahletisim and average 3pt shot while not dominating on a bad team to get in the first round

his season has been pretty unimpressive considering there schedule is soft as charmin and the acc is down. his numbers are also unimpressive for a guy who has the green light. maybe youreright he should go in the draft since he hasnt done much and in another year teams will see how more unimpressive he is

[gatorheelsParticipant]

C’mon now….

Landesberg has been impressive.  That just shows you haven’t seen him play many games if it all.  Opposing teams key on him defensively & they still can’t stop him.  He can score in a variety of ways.   

[JNixonParticipant]

His stats haven’t been unimpressive at all for a guy that is a projected role player at the next level. He’s not given the green light to just do whatever he wants like Evan Turner or John Wall. He plays off the ball for Virginia and rarely ever plays PG, so lets not think that he just gets the ball and shoots shot after shot. I don’t think you’ve watched him play much if at all, because you wouldn’t say his stats are unimpressive or he’s unimpressive if you had watched him play this season. He’s clearly a player that needs another good player to show his real NBA value, as he’s not a player that will be asked to score as much in the NBA as he does now. But you’d feel bad for him playing for Virginia if you watch him play. They have a serious lack of talent on their team.

All of his weaknesses can be improved in the NBA. So I don’t think he’s as “unimpresive” as your making him out to be

[quinceyhodges]

yep 17 a game on a team with a losing record is unimpressive. making 23 threes out of 27 games as the star shooting guard isnt impressive to me. and being a nba role player is prob one reason why he is projected as a second rounder. you can get many role players in the second round. im not the one whomatters as far as saying hes a second rounder..scouts are and thats where they project himso hes obviously not impressing them as well as you all. qucy was on a bad team but very impressive. george hill same way, steph curry. this guy isnt doing anything any different then elijah millsap. yeah he wont ask to score in the nba so what else does he do that is on the nba level?..rebound,ast,steal,blk,defense?

[quinceyhodges]

every players weakness can be improved in the nba so thats not really saying much. and other teams cant stop him?…yeah 17 a game is so unstoppable. when you are on a team that bad you shouldbe putting up better numbers then that. should be putting up harangody numbers like hes done through his career when his teams were good or bad. i understand why hes listed as a second rounder. after his freshman year he was thought to be a first rounder but his game hasnt changed like they thought it wouldand his numbers didnt improve like expected so i can understand ifscouts are wondering howmuch more this guy can improve

[quinceyhodges]

the fact that he couldnt keep a esy 2.0 is prob gonna hurt him even more. teams will see that hes either lazy or dumb and prob think “this guy cant even get a c taking cooking classes so how can we expect him to learn plays”

[quinceyhodges]

i watch all of maryland games so of course ive seen him play. also watched him against ga tech. hes so impressive that hes projected as a second rounder. and that was before they teams found out how dumb he is

[gatorheelsParticipant]

His outside shot has improved this season.

He is 5th in the ACC in scoring.

Last season he was ranked 4th nationally in scoring at of all Freshman.

Landesberg will either be on the 1st or 2nd All-ACC team. 

[JNixonParticipant]

He defends and is a good enough scorer to play in the NBA. He projects as a guy that score score a decent amount and provide solid defense and passing ability. He can be a Courtney Lee type player.

Just admit you’ve never seen him play. Because he’s an impressive player.

[quinceyhodges]

how exactly does a guy flunk in his soph year in college?..all the classes are basically hs classes and electives. you dont even take youre core classes untill youre jr year. yeah he should go to the draft. keeping a 2.0 taking basic math and gymmight be too hard for him

[gatorheelsParticipant]

He had 22 points, 6 rebounds, & 5 assists against Georgia Tech

Virginia won that game 

Landesberg didn’t play last game against Maryland.

 

[quinceyhodges]

last year..and howmuch did his scoring jump exactly with all those improvements?..will he make first or second team?..you may be right..lest see

vasquez
nolan
schyer
shingler
gani
delany
the kid from wake
the big man for clemson

[quinceyhodges]

umm they play maryland twice

[JNixonParticipant]

Who cares how he flunked out….We’re not his parents…Quit trying to change the subject. `

I don’t think you have seen him play. I just don’t believe how everyone else thinks he’s impressive except you. He’s in discussion for declaring for the draft after his Sophomore year, so he’s definitely impressive in some way or another.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I know they played Maryland twice….that is why I said last game

[JNixonParticipant]

He only played them once…..They played yesterday vs. Maryland but he was suspended

[quinceyhodges]

nba teams care. if a player isnt a lotto talent then teams question a guy for flunking out. why you think the nba and nfl gives test that has to deal with iq? since when does everyone mean 2 people?..and obviously everyone that matters doesnt think hes so impressive since they dont project him as a first rounder. and that does include the people who arent scouts who watch his game and put up profiles about him…what does this site have him as?..draftexpress has him as a second rounder in NEXT years draft. so how do you figure EVERYONE is so impressed by him? youre very impressed and a guy who think tyrus thomas is better then he i, is very impressed by him. i watch all my hometown area teams play at least 2 games. townon,va,gtown,hampton,va tech,maryland, and a couple of d2 schools that some of my forer aau peopels assist coach at

[quinceyhodges]

i know he only played them once..i said they play them twice because he mentioned him not playign against maryland..not sure why he said that when not playign against a team has nothing to do with what we are talking about. i said i seen him play against maryland then he said the guy didnt play against maryland last game. see how one thing has nothing to do with what i said

[quinceyhodges]

so who is this EVERYONE ELSE you speak of that are so impressed by him? every where i look and read it says second round. a couple even said second round in the 2011 draft. and after watching him i completely agree

[JNixonParticipant]

I don’t think you have seen him play. I just don’t believe how everyone else thinks he’s impressive except you. He’s in discussion for declaring for the draft after his Sophomore year, so he’s definitely impressive in some way or another.

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Quincey- you don’t know what real scouts are projecting him as.  Who cares about these mock drafts… that aren’t very accurate.  We have to wait & see what happens.  

Landesberg has skills & if you have ever watched him play you would know that. 

[quinceyhodges]

who is this everyone you speak of?…hes impressive enough for the second round..ive admitted that many times. so because i dont think hes a first rounder like you then i must not have watched hm play..lol im guessing other web sites with mock drafts havnt seen him play either. ill even check other people on here mock draft and see where they have them and even youre mock draft if you had one in the past

[quinceyhodges]

going frommy brothers old coach who used to be a nba scout hes projected as a second rounder. since this is comign from me i wouldnt expect ya’ll to believe this. ill check hoopsworld who constantly talk to nba scouts and whos writiers work with the nba and works out nba players

[quinceyhodges]

you know what i find funny gators…you have said many times about how scouts project this or that player but when its about a player you like you say i dont know where scouts project him…so tell me what source did you use when you said scouts project this or that player?

[gatorheelsParticipant]

I don’t know any real scouts.  

Yes, I’ve said mock drafts have a player projected at a certain spot but that doesn’t mean anything to me.  I’ve never said mock drafts matter or they are accurate. 

 

[quinceyhodges]

im still looking for the everyone you were talking bout..checking other sites for regular people who think hes first round impressive. shouldnt be hard since everyone else thinks he is.

http://thehoopsjunkie.com/- not that this guy matters but this is one guys opinion on first and second team all acc

http://www.nbadraft.net/2010mock_draft-this sites mock draft
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2010/-draftexpress mock draft
http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2010/02/2010-mock-draft-version-4-0/
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2010-NBA-Mock-Draft
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft
http://hoopshype.com/draft.htm

[quinceyhodges]

ok so why is it all o a sudden”who cares about these mock drafts” but in the past when you were trying to prove a point about a player you would say “this guy is projected here or there”? is like you used it for youre benifit but when it doesnt benifit you you disclaimed it.

and iggy how many times have i ever not watched a player and then talk about them? every singleplayer i havent seen i say i havent seen. did it with white side,paul george,the kid out of byu, the freshman out of florida, when some guy made a mid major list. just because i dont agree withyou doesntmean i havnt seen a player play

[quinceyhodges]

fromwhat i see these are the sg who would go ahead of him

willie warren
xavier henry
klay thompson
james anderson
jeff taylor
terrico wright
iman shumpert
manny harris

[JNixonParticipant]

There is a difference between what you said. You said he was unimpressive. You said nothing about being 1st-round impressive.

On DraftExpress, he’s a 2nd round, 1st pick projection. You don’t think he can go ahead of someone and be a 1st rounder?

I tink you’d have to wait until they figure out who declares to find sites with a more accurate projection for where he’ll land. Some of those sites have guys like Elias Harris, Eric Bledsoe, etc going ahead of him when they aren’t likely to declare. And with him projected to be an early 2nd rounder, that will only benefit him if guys that are 1st rounders don’t declare.

[quinceyhodges]

really?..did i really have to say that?..i figured it was common sense if i think hes a second rounder. no one who gets drafted isnt impressive. i thought it waspretty obvious that i was talking about first round when i said over and over that he was a secondrounder. my bad next time i well explain it alot further so you can se what im talking about. and thats oneway tolook at. another is the guys who declare who werent projected todelare who are first round talent.. i still havent found the everyones that you were talking about. not sure where that came fromsince it has only really been us three talking about him

[JNixonParticipant]

I know you have admitted it other times, but I don’t think you’ve watched him play. He’s the only good person on Virginia’s entire team and he’d stick out like a sore thumb if you’d watched. He has every time I’ve seen him play, and that’s why I think he can be a 1st rounder. Other sites wouldn’t doubt that either, he’s like right on the cusp on some of the sites you listed.

[JNixonParticipant]

He was a 1st rounder earlier in the season on Hoopshype. But he’s not now.

[quinceyhodges]

i never said he was bad just said he wasnt that impressive. he wasnt first round impressive. he was x henry,james anderson, klay thompson impressive. imjust not overly impressed when a guy puts up 17 a game on a bad team because if you are a 2nd round player then that really isnt hard to do. and i obviously think he has talent because i say hes a second rounder but he also has alot of flaws. and i see the post about his 22 point game but what about his single diget games?…and i dont think he will be 1st or second team all acc. iliked him much more as a freshman becuse i thought he would not only be alot better this year but also make his team better. no matter how bad youre team is scouts expect you to make them better. if a guy is a big time scorer on a bad team in college then teams know that he can be a role player at least scoring wise in the nba. if they arent then theres no given that the guy can even be a good role player in the nba. everything is based on how good you make youre team or teammates. why you think monta ellis or kevin martin dont get more respect? or the big money like other guys who score as much. why dont you think guys dont get respect untill they start winning. 17ppg just doesnt cut it when you are on a bad team to be a first rounder just off of that. there have been plenty of guys who were on teams worst then va who put up better numbers so how come he cant?..my answer is in my question. because he cant. he didnt make that freshman to soph jump like other first rounders have. yeah he shot better but he still only score a point or less more a game

[quinceyhodges]

yeah earlier.. hell he was projected as a first rounder by me before the season start. buit asthe season progressed people saw how he couldnt lead his teamand how he didntmake that frshman to soph jump like so many other first rounders. happens to many players. people think they are better then they are then as the season progresses people findout they the player isnt as good as they thought

[JNixonParticipant]

I’m not talking about before the season started. I mean, like before the last mock they made was released.

I think he can be a 1st rounder this year. He can be a very similar player to Courtney Lee. A good slasher and spot up shooter with a good mid-range game and provides solid D. Once again, if a scout watches tape or any game footage of him, they will see that it would take a miracle to make Virginia a tourny team. Or even a good team. For a projected role player, he had done an admirable job of being a good player on a team full of scrubs. He’s not the type of player that can make a bad team good all by himself.
I don’t think there are very many players that can make this Virginia team good right now in the college game if they were the only truly good player.

“and i see the post about his 22 point game but what about his single diget games?”

He only had 2 games where he didn’t score double figures man.

[quinceyhodges]

hence why i said games…the s indicates 2 or more. and it was 2 games correct? its all fine that you think he will go this high or be as good as this or that player but in reality hes not projected as the next lee or a first rounder. maybe he will be one day but right now and in the near future he isnt. too many other players and at least 5 other sg would get picked before him. and i didnt even mention if elliot williams declares or the kid out of tenn..hopson
right now he wouldnt go before

xavier
terrico
james anderson
avery bradley
manny harris
klay thompson

and thats just sg whowould go ahead of him. not even counting the pg,sf,pf,centers out there or the eruo guys

[gatorheelsParticipant]

Virginia was a little better this year than they were last year just like Landesberg was a little better this year than he was last year.

Plus Virginia has a new coach this season.  They now play a completely different style than they did last year.  You remember how Washington St. played the last couple seasons? Slow grinding style offense…  Virginia only averages 66 points per game.  That is last in the ACC.  17 points per game in that offense is impressive.

Anyways if he declares I think he will likely be a 1st round pick.  We shall see.  

[quinceyhodges]

the guys just didnt make that next step as a soph liek other first rounders do from there freshmen to soph year. ive been asking and i cant find one person who will commit to saying hes a first rounder. and not one person even comes close to syaing they would take him over the guys who i listed. even locking on the mock drafts i cant see who he would go over in the first round when looking at the names and looking at what the teams need as a starter or a back

[JNixonParticipant]

2 games of not getting double digits is no big deal. Not even worth mentioning.

I could easily see him going ahead of Klay Thompson, who won’t even declare this year. His team also sucks and you said yourself NBA scouts don’t like that.

Manny Harris provides all of the same things Landesburg does, while being less efficient and a worse defender and shooter. And also playing on a bad team.

Scotty Hopson is very unlikely to declare for the draft this season, and so is Avery Bradley.

That leaves Xavier Henry, Anderson, and maybe Terrico White, who is probably 50/50 on declaring. They are the only 3 SG’s that are even remotely likely to declare this year and go ahead of him.

[JNixonParticipant]

LOL who have you been asking? Your friends?

[quinceyhodges]

lets see
atlanta
memphis
nets
washington
minny
boston

these are the teams with the last 6 picks int he first round

i just dont see any of those guys picking him over manny harris,kylay thompson, terrico white, or elliot williams. chances are they will all be avalible when those teams pick

other players who prob will be avalible…domonic jones, vasquez, d.butler,

[quinceyhodges]

no ive been going on other chat rooms and asked one of the writers for hoopsworld.com who works at img academies who also works out nba players during the summer and talks to a bunc of different scouts in the nba

[quinceyhodges]

i just cant find the everyones that agree with you. its good that you have stuck to youre opinions though because thats all that should matter to you:)

[JNixonParticipant]

I think Landesburg could be picked over most of the guys you listed in the post I already talked about. The only guys I know he won’t be picked above are James Anderson, Terrico White if he declares, Dominique Jones and Xavier Henry. The rest of those guys are either worse than he is, or aren’t likely to declare this season

Did you just put a smiley face at the end of what you said?? Woah.

[quinceyhodges]

thats cool..as long as you THINK hes better then those players then thats all that matters. most peopel dont though. just stating what the masses think

[LeroyJenkinsParticipant]

another draft site suggested this

“Sylven Landesberg can get an Israeli passport I believe, since his dad is Jewish. May be smart to spend next year in Europe, & then declare”

[quinceyhodges]

wow?..thats a very very good thing to have. having a parent that’s from europe. you will always have a job overseas as long as you can play because you dont count against the limit of american players a team can have

[YurpleHazEParticipant]

im pretty sure he has the rest of the semester to pick his grades up….remember these are midterms

[quinceyhodges]

thats what i was saying earlier. they think its such a given that hes gone even though he’s only just a sophmore

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