[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Since he’s gotten low balled for his two young Big Guys he has seemingly taken them off the table, Noel will be resigned and Okafor used as the Scorer he was born to be…

He may listen to some fresh trade offers at the deadline but from what little is coming from Philadelphia, Colangelo is leaning towards trading picks in 17 and 18 to land the guard of their preference in the Top 5 (Phoenix and Minnesota said to be in play to trade out for picks in 17 and 18)

Colangelo has the LA Laker’s pick top 3 protected pick in a deep draft, the rights to swap draft picks with Sacramento and their own picks in 18′ and 19′ (likely to be viewed as high picks ATM)

Seems like he’s only interested in adding whoever they draft in 17′ with their own pick(which is essentially a top 7 pick at the worst, even with the talent they’ll be adding in Simmons/Embiid/Saric and others in FA)

So who in the hell has he apparently fallen in love with now that he’s willing to deal picks in 17 and 18 including their own in 18! Who’ll be willing to trade out of the 2016 draft for picks in 17 and 18 via LA and Philadelphia, with a pick swap with the combustable Kings included?

Minnesota at 5? Phoenix at 4? New Orleans at 6 if Dunn falls past Sota?

[CavFanPRParticipant]

I believe a package of Noel and the Lakers ’17 pick could move them back into the top 6. New Orleans could pair Noel with Anthony Davis, would be a scary front court defensively. Minny was said to be interested in Noel as well. We’ll see.

[CavFanPRParticipant]

I believe a package of Noel and the Lakers ’17 pick could move them back into the top 6. New Orleans could pair Noel with Anthony Davis, would be a scary front court defensively. Minny was said to be interested in Noel as well. We’ll see.

[holefillers1Participant]

 This whole belief that the Sixers cant get market value for Noel or Okafor is ridiculous.  What GM in their right mind is going to say, yeah I would give up more than player X is worth to acquire him. It’s posturing and gamesmanship and in the end it’s just another rumor.  Much like the crows post that he may or may not have just made up on his lunch break.

[binetParticipant]

 Let’s put it simply: Phoenix would trade its #4 pick any day for any of the two 6ers big. Marquese Chriss is not a gamble that you want to make over two proven young bigs, and a team with already 3 guards deserving a starting spot in Bledsoe, Knight and Booker is certainly noy high on Dunn, Hield or Murray.

I personally think the 6ers trade is eventually going to happen, I don’t know which of their bigs they will trade and to which team, but they will.

If right now there are still ongoing suspense is probably because:

1)Philly wants much more than a top 5 pick and struggles to get it.

2)The team they are dealing with waits for the draft or a potential other deal (Celtics?).

3)They have a trade with Phoenix or lower and want to know if their target will be available then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 Let’s put it simply: Phoenix would trade its #4 pick any day for any of the two 6ers big. Marquese Chriss is not a gamble that you want to make over two proven young bigs, and a team with already 3 guards deserving a starting spot in Bledsoe, Knight and Booker is certainly noy high on Dunn, Hield or Murray.

I personally think the 6ers trade is eventually going to happen, I don’t know which of their bigs they will trade and to which team, but they will.

If right now there are still ongoing suspense is probably because:

1)Philly wants much more than a top 5 pick and struggles to get it.

2)The team they are dealing with waits for the draft or a potential other deal (Celtics?).

3)They have a trade with Phoenix or lower and want to know if their target will be available then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[holefillers1Participant]

 This whole belief that the Sixers cant get market value for Noel or Okafor is ridiculous.  What GM in their right mind is going to say, yeah I would give up more than player X is worth to acquire him. It’s posturing and gamesmanship and in the end it’s just another rumor.  Much like the crows post that he may or may not have just made up on his lunch break.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

 As much as Hinkie blew it, I fear that Colangelo is probably gonna be even worse in targeting middle of the pack vets, and will keep the team in the dreaded mediocrity treadmill, rather than trusting the process. He completely blew any chance he had at leverage/better deals when he publically made both Noel and Okafor available; what did he think was going to happen? 

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

 As much as Hinkie blew it, I fear that Colangelo is probably gonna be even worse in targeting middle of the pack vets, and will keep the team in the dreaded mediocrity treadmill, rather than trusting the process. He completely blew any chance he had at leverage/better deals when he publically made both Noel and Okafor available; what did he think was going to happen? 

[VRod305Participant]

Hinkie set us up with several top 3 picks, including a generational talent.

I said this when Colangelo started talking to the media every day to make them happy and making it blantently obvious that he’s going to try to deal someone. When has that ever worked?!?! Is he surprised we get lowball offers. What an idiot.

[VRod305Participant]

Hinkie set us up with several top 3 picks, including a generational talent.

I said this when Colangelo started talking to the media every day to make them happy and making it blantently obvious that he’s going to try to deal someone. When has that ever worked?!?! Is he surprised we get lowball offers. What an idiot.

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 What is your source for this? 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 What is your source for this? 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would trade Saric, cash, and two future second round picks for 16, 23, 51, and RJ Hunter.

Philly can’t afford to PAY five core forwards/inside guys.  Pretty soon they will have Ben Simmons, Oakafor, Noel, and Embiid.  Hard to pay more than four.

Philly then hopes it can get at least some good rotation guys out of 16, 23, and RJ Hunter with the 51st pick probably being a D League stash guy.

To Denver for 15 and 19 would probably be another good landing spot for Saric.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 Saric is a very good player. Viewed and hyped incredibly since young age, already kind of proven. His level of hype in Europe was probably higher than Porzingis or Gobert (the last two with comparable hype, even if Gobert ended up being drafted very late) and it’s not like Saric ever disappointed. He is very good both in euroleague and in Croatian National team, of which he is captain.

Right now Saric is an enigma in the trading block because his european contract situation is a mess and he still has to prove he can adapt to the NBA and american way of life. The 6ers should struggle to get something worth his talent, the best is to keep him.

Put it this way: Dragan Bender is also croatian and expected to go between 3 and 8 this year, while being less developped than Saric right now and clearly less talented than Saric at the same age (Bender has no selection in the national team, Saric started playing with his national team at that age). One can argue Bender is taller and benefits from Porzingis’s hype, but the idea is that the player considered to be the top talent in the last decade in croatia is neither Bender or Hezonja, it’s Saric, his trade value cannot be lower than those two.

Remember the guy is the team captain of Croatia at a very young age.

  

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 He was drafted 12 and has not done anything in the NBA yet. 16, 23 and seconds would probably be fair value. 

[binetParticipant]

 I believe the sixers picked and traded immediately Elfrid Payton at 10 for him, so 12 is more a matter of a rookie-scale contract manipulation that where he was supposed to be taken in the draft.

Furthermore, it was already given the day of the draft that he was going to stay overseas for at least 2 years with some very likely and troublesome contract issues and cash expanses with his european team down the line. That’s the kind of things that makes your draft stock collapse.

The way he played since he got drafted did nothing to hurt his value, and I think he even should be worth more for the wait. The guy is still very young at 22, younger than some senior lottery prospects of this year and has proven way more, since euroleague and international competition are way tougher than NCAA. 

If I were the Phoenix Suns and 100% sure he could play next season, I would easily give my #4 pick for him honestly. That’s the least I expect the 6ers front office to accept. After all the guy is younger and more proven than Kris Dunn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 I believe the sixers picked and traded immediately Elfrid Payton at 10 for him, so 12 is more a matter of a rookie-scale contract manipulation that where he was supposed to be taken in the draft.

Furthermore, it was already given the day of the draft that he was going to stay overseas for at least 2 years with some very likely and troublesome contract issues and cash expanses with his european team down the line. That’s the kind of things that makes your draft stock collapse.

The way he played since he got drafted did nothing to hurt his value, and I think he even should be worth more for the wait. The guy is still very young at 22, younger than some senior lottery prospects of this year and has proven way more, since euroleague and international competition are way tougher than NCAA. 

If I were the Phoenix Suns and 100% sure he could play next season, I would easily give my #4 pick for him honestly. That’s the least I expect the 6ers front office to accept. After all the guy is younger and more proven than Kris Dunn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

He only dropped to 12th because teams knew he wasn’t coming over that year. He would go top five in this draft,

[EndlessknightParticipant]

He only dropped to 12th because teams knew he wasn’t coming over that year. He would go top five in this draft,

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 He was drafted 12 and has not done anything in the NBA yet. 16, 23 and seconds would probably be fair value. 

[natevalParticipant]

 Has there ever been a year when 3 players on the same team win ROY? Saric, Simmions and Embiid are being hyped up so much here by Philly fans they better be no less then the 6th seed in the East. Check it

2017 DPOY-Noel

2017 ROY- Saric,Simmions,Embiid

Best center to enter the league since Olajuwon-Embiid

Best low post scorer in the league- Okafor

How do they lose?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[natevalParticipant]

 Has there ever been a year when 3 players on the same team win ROY? Saric, Simmions and Embiid are being hyped up so much here by Philly fans they better be no less then the 6th seed in the East. Check it

2017 DPOY-Noel

2017 ROY- Saric,Simmions,Embiid

Best center to enter the league since Olajuwon-Embiid

Best low post scorer in the league- Okafor

How do they lose?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[binetParticipant]

 Saric is a very good player. Viewed and hyped incredibly since young age, already kind of proven. His level of hype in Europe was probably higher than Porzingis or Gobert (the last two with comparable hype, even if Gobert ended up being drafted very late) and it’s not like Saric ever disappointed. He is very good both in euroleague and in Croatian National team, of which he is captain.

Right now Saric is an enigma in the trading block because his european contract situation is a mess and he still has to prove he can adapt to the NBA and american way of life. The 6ers should struggle to get something worth his talent, the best is to keep him.

Put it this way: Dragan Bender is also croatian and expected to go between 3 and 8 this year, while being less developped than Saric right now and clearly less talented than Saric at the same age (Bender has no selection in the national team, Saric started playing with his national team at that age). One can argue Bender is taller and benefits from Porzingis’s hype, but the idea is that the player considered to be the top talent in the last decade in croatia is neither Bender or Hezonja, it’s Saric, his trade value cannot be lower than those two.

Remember the guy is the team captain of Croatia at a very young age.

  

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I would trade Saric, cash, and two future second round picks for 16, 23, 51, and RJ Hunter.

Philly can’t afford to PAY five core forwards/inside guys.  Pretty soon they will have Ben Simmons, Oakafor, Noel, and Embiid.  Hard to pay more than four.

Philly then hopes it can get at least some good rotation guys out of 16, 23, and RJ Hunter with the 51st pick probably being a D League stash guy.

To Denver for 15 and 19 would probably be another good landing spot for Saric.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 How is this Coangelos fault?  He wasn’t the one that took every center to enter the draft the past few years and hoped that other teams wouldn’t notice.  You shouldn’t be blindsided by this.  Coangelo making a public announcement about the need to trade one also isn’t downplaying their value.  Believe it or not, everybody else knows that the 76ers have a logjam at 1, soon to be 2 positions.  Of course everybody is going to play hard ball why wouldn’t they?

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 How is this Coangelos fault?  He wasn’t the one that took every center to enter the draft the past few years and hoped that other teams wouldn’t notice.  You shouldn’t be blindsided by this.  Coangelo making a public announcement about the need to trade one also isn’t downplaying their value.  Believe it or not, everybody else knows that the 76ers have a logjam at 1, soon to be 2 positions.  Of course everybody is going to play hard ball why wouldn’t they?

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I don’t see a HUGE log jam.

They have Embiid, Noel, and Oakafor at the 4 and 5 spots.  3 guys. 2 spots. 32 minutes for each big.

Ben Simmons can also play some 4, but it looks more likely that he will be at the 3 or even play point guard.

What the Sixers NEED is the next Klay Thompson.

They might need to look at dealing Saric, 24, and 26 for a pick if either Buddy Hield or Jamal Murray falls.

I would do Saric, 24, 26, a future first round pick, Richaun Holmes, and cash to move up to get Buddy Hield.

Hield has 3rd/4th option sniper written all over him.

Might even try to low ball Harrison Barnes to be the glorified 5th guy.

Start a BIG starting lineup of Ben Simmons, Hield, Harrison Barnes, Oakafor, and Noel, with Embiid, Robert Covington, and 3 guards off the bench.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 Offensively Ben Simmons can handle point guard duties, but I imagine he might be worn out if he needs to constantly defend point guards. 

Noel and Okafor don’t really play well together on offense or defense. Noel’s best defensive position is center, but so is Okafor’s and Okafor can’t guard the majority of the league’s power forwards. So Noel is forced to chase stretch fours along the perimeter eliminating his greatest strengths as the defensive anchor so to speak the last line of defense. Offensively Noel has to be near the basket which messes with Okafor’s room to operate. If they are both on the court together along with Ben Simmons, Simmons would likley struggle because of having extra traffic in the paint unless his jumper vastly improves by next season.

I’d personally want to hang onto Noel and Okafor for the time being because I’m not making any plans that center around Joel Embiid being healthy. I also wouldn’t trade Dario Saric if he is coming over this summer as the 76ers already waited two years for him. The only way I’d deal Noel, Okafor, or Saric is for a guy I’m convinced is exactly what the team needs in the present and future.

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 Offensively Ben Simmons can handle point guard duties, but I imagine he might be worn out if he needs to constantly defend point guards. 

Noel and Okafor don’t really play well together on offense or defense. Noel’s best defensive position is center, but so is Okafor’s and Okafor can’t guard the majority of the league’s power forwards. So Noel is forced to chase stretch fours along the perimeter eliminating his greatest strengths as the defensive anchor so to speak the last line of defense. Offensively Noel has to be near the basket which messes with Okafor’s room to operate. If they are both on the court together along with Ben Simmons, Simmons would likley struggle because of having extra traffic in the paint unless his jumper vastly improves by next season.

I’d personally want to hang onto Noel and Okafor for the time being because I’m not making any plans that center around Joel Embiid being healthy. I also wouldn’t trade Dario Saric if he is coming over this summer as the 76ers already waited two years for him. The only way I’d deal Noel, Okafor, or Saric is for a guy I’m convinced is exactly what the team needs in the present and future.

 

 

 

 

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

 I don’t see a HUGE log jam.

They have Embiid, Noel, and Oakafor at the 4 and 5 spots.  3 guys. 2 spots. 32 minutes for each big.

Ben Simmons can also play some 4, but it looks more likely that he will be at the 3 or even play point guard.

What the Sixers NEED is the next Klay Thompson.

They might need to look at dealing Saric, 24, and 26 for a pick if either Buddy Hield or Jamal Murray falls.

I would do Saric, 24, 26, a future first round pick, Richaun Holmes, and cash to move up to get Buddy Hield.

Hield has 3rd/4th option sniper written all over him.

Might even try to low ball Harrison Barnes to be the glorified 5th guy.

Start a BIG starting lineup of Ben Simmons, Hield, Harrison Barnes, Oakafor, and Noel, with Embiid, Robert Covington, and 3 guards off the bench.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 So unless the guy who started this thread knows somebody who gets a paycheck from the 76ers, this is a false and made up rumor. It’s not on the Internet, and they’re sixers rumors everyday. So this is not a credible source. I still think they have a shot to trade one of those players before the end of Thursday night, but I’m sure they’ll only trade one of them if the player they are targeting falls. They will not give up okafor for anything outside of the top 5 at most just because they have a log jam in the front court. And being that the sixers aren’t winning the title next year, I would wait and see if Embid can stay healthy before you go and give away Okafor. Put some shooters around okafor and a point guard who can actually create, and okafor will be even better then the 18ppg and 7rpg he had this year as a 19 year old rookie. 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 But I should remind you that I went on the record about the 76ers shopping BOTH Noel and Okafor, and the national media jumped all over that story shortly after…

I will again take the bullet for revealing something I heard from a reliable source, the 76ers arent dealing Noel or Okafor, at least not on the night of the draft…

They arent dealing either to Boston, they are convinced Sarver or Taylor will attempt to trade out of their respective spots for a future pick(s) or a Veteran…Draftnet forum users hate to hear this, but most GM’s only view the draft as the 1st chance to shed salaries and Phoenix and Minnesota are famous for trading/wasting draft picks…

If anyone thinks the 4th or 5th pick in this draft is more valuable than a pick in 17′ and 18′ with a tremendously deep draft class coming up well than welcome to Club Colangelo, because he’s willing to deal picks in 17 and 18 to land Murray/Dunn/Hield/Brown to pair up with Simmons…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[VRod305Participant]

It’s a perfect match. They have too many guards and we have too many big men. Of course they would rather have picks in a much better draft (and I wouldn’t be stunned if Colangelo is so dumb he gives them away).

Noel for Knight makes a ton of sense. If a late first or a crappy player we don’t need like Holmes is needed to make it work, who cares.

Same kind of goes for Boston..Are they really going to take another guard to go with the four they already have? It makes no sense.

[VRod305Participant]

It’s a perfect match. They have too many guards and we have too many big men. Of course they would rather have picks in a much better draft (and I wouldn’t be stunned if Colangelo is so dumb he gives them away).

Noel for Knight makes a ton of sense. If a late first or a crappy player we don’t need like Holmes is needed to make it work, who cares.

Same kind of goes for Boston..Are they really going to take another guard to go with the four they already have? It makes no sense.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 But I should remind you that I went on the record about the 76ers shopping BOTH Noel and Okafor, and the national media jumped all over that story shortly after…

I will again take the bullet for revealing something I heard from a reliable source, the 76ers arent dealing Noel or Okafor, at least not on the night of the draft…

They arent dealing either to Boston, they are convinced Sarver or Taylor will attempt to trade out of their respective spots for a future pick(s) or a Veteran…Draftnet forum users hate to hear this, but most GM’s only view the draft as the 1st chance to shed salaries and Phoenix and Minnesota are famous for trading/wasting draft picks…

If anyone thinks the 4th or 5th pick in this draft is more valuable than a pick in 17′ and 18′ with a tremendously deep draft class coming up well than welcome to Club Colangelo, because he’s willing to deal picks in 17 and 18 to land Murray/Dunn/Hield/Brown to pair up with Simmons…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 So unless the guy who started this thread knows somebody who gets a paycheck from the 76ers, this is a false and made up rumor. It’s not on the Internet, and they’re sixers rumors everyday. So this is not a credible source. I still think they have a shot to trade one of those players before the end of Thursday night, but I’m sure they’ll only trade one of them if the player they are targeting falls. They will not give up okafor for anything outside of the top 5 at most just because they have a log jam in the front court. And being that the sixers aren’t winning the title next year, I would wait and see if Embid can stay healthy before you go and give away Okafor. Put some shooters around okafor and a point guard who can actually create, and okafor will be even better then the 18ppg and 7rpg he had this year as a 19 year old rookie. 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Is it just me or does Colangelo fail to inspire confidence?

[EndlessknightParticipant]

Is it just me or does Colangelo fail to inspire confidence?

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Saric would probably the second (or third) player taken in this week draft.

[VRod305Participant]

I think he goes second behind Simmons. I also feel like that isn’t even close.

[VRod305Participant]

I think he goes second behind Simmons. I also feel like that isn’t even close.

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 Saric would probably the second (or third) player taken in this week draft.

[circumlocution75Participant]

 for a guard but you can’t force it

Leverage is Everything in negotiations & Colangelo Looks Desperate

Phila is Not contending for Anything this year Or next & Probably Not the year after that

Why would you trade away Valuable young talent for Nothing???

& I Certainly would Not trade away Any of that treasure trove of 1st round picks they have in 2017, 18 & 19…….

just draft Simmons & 2 guards at #24 & #26

 

 

 

 

 

[circumlocution75Participant]

 for a guard but you can’t force it

Leverage is Everything in negotiations & Colangelo Looks Desperate

Phila is Not contending for Anything this year Or next & Probably Not the year after that

Why would you trade away Valuable young talent for Nothing???

& I Certainly would Not trade away Any of that treasure trove of 1st round picks they have in 2017, 18 & 19…….

just draft Simmons & 2 guards at #24 & #26

 

 

 

 

 

[jfong32Participant]

I think the teams that are at a real disadvantage are teams like Boston with multiple picks. With the previous salary cap, moving a "max" player offered cap relief to the team trading that guy away. Now everyone has cap space. Also guys on max contracts now become more valuable. Take Jimmy Butler for example. On his current max deal, he is a bargain compared to what guys like Harrison Barnes are about to get on the open market. It’s more difficult now for teams with multiple picks to leverage them into star players because star players signed under the old cap are far more valuable now. 

I think Boston will eventually be at the mercy of Colangelo to convert their picks into an impact big man like Jahlil Okafor. 

See my mock draft: 3 Shades of Blue

 

 

 

 

 

[jfong32Participant]

I think the teams that are at a real disadvantage are teams like Boston with multiple picks. With the previous salary cap, moving a "max" player offered cap relief to the team trading that guy away. Now everyone has cap space. Also guys on max contracts now become more valuable. Take Jimmy Butler for example. On his current max deal, he is a bargain compared to what guys like Harrison Barnes are about to get on the open market. It’s more difficult now for teams with multiple picks to leverage them into star players because star players signed under the old cap are far more valuable now. 

I think Boston will eventually be at the mercy of Colangelo to convert their picks into an impact big man like Jahlil Okafor. 

See my mock draft: 3 Shades of Blue

 

 

 

 

 

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