[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

I’ve read something yesterday that say’s that the New York Knicks are interested in trading for the Minnesota Timberwolves point guard Ricky Rubio. (http://www.inquisitr.com/2338540/new-york-knicks-trade-rumors-ricky-rubio-may-be-headed-to-the-knicks/). 

This is an interesting trade because that Ricky Rubio doesn’t fit the triangle offence and the Knicks passed on Denver point guard Emmanuel Mudiay mostly because he didn’t fit the triangle. 

I actually love Ricky Rubio talent, but I would love to see him on another team than the Timberwolves. I believe a change of team would help Ricky Rubio.

 

 

[SubZeroParticipant]

So who could the Wolves get back for him? If they do this, I think they should at least try to get Cleanthony Early, Arron Afflalo, or Jerian Grant. They’d probably have to pitch in something else to get Afflalo, but depending on how much the Knicks want him, I think they could swing it.

[SubZeroParticipant]

So who could the Wolves get back for him? If they do this, I think they should at least try to get Cleanthony Early, Arron Afflalo, or Jerian Grant. They’d probably have to pitch in something else to get Afflalo, but depending on how much the Knicks want him, I think they could swing it.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Wouldn’t Arron Afflalo be ineligible to be traded for so long as he has just signed with a new team, if someone could clear up this query please?

[HitsterParticipant]

 Wouldn’t Arron Afflalo be ineligible to be traded for so long as he has just signed with a new team, if someone could clear up this query please?

[publius2481Participant]

 A newly signed free agent cannot be traded until December 15th.

[SubZeroParticipant]

Ah, didn’t know about that rule. Good call. Well, I guess they could trade him then, I wasn’t thinking about absolutely trading him before the season

[SubZeroParticipant]

Ah, didn’t know about that rule. Good call. Well, I guess they could trade him then, I wasn’t thinking about absolutely trading him before the season

[publius2481Participant]

 A newly signed free agent cannot be traded until December 15th.

[asmartin626Participant]

Knicks need to go ahead and give up on the triangle. Yeah it worked and won championships…with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe and Shaq. Not with Langston Galloway and Carmelo. I like Melo, but he’ll never win a championship when he’s the best player on the team. They just need to get a run and gun offense until they get some stars that want to play there again. 

[asmartin626Participant]

Knicks need to go ahead and give up on the triangle. Yeah it worked and won championships…with Jordan and Pippen. And Kobe and Shaq. Not with Langston Galloway and Carmelo. I like Melo, but he’ll never win a championship when he’s the best player on the team. They just need to get a run and gun offense until they get some stars that want to play there again. 

[BallBeenLifeParticipant]

I think this is the year that Ricky puts it all together (or at least shows signs of it). Obviously his shot is his biggest knock on his game at this point. But I could see his shooting percentage going up after a full season and off season with Wolves shooting coach Mike Penberthy. 

And as far as the trade with the Knicks, who would the Wolves recieve from them? Future draft pick(s), Calderon, & O’Quinn? That’s what it would probably take to even out Rubio’s contract (which he’s getting $12,700,000 for just this season….) 

But if I’m Minnesota I wouldn’t pull the plug on Ricky just yet… He’s finally coming into a season that the team is pretty much built around him and looks like it actually could work. Think about it, when Rubio first came into the league he was forced to play with guys that didn’t fit with his run & gun type of style. And the players that they brought in to help him at that time didn’t pan out at all (Wes Johnson/Derrick Williams). 

Now he’s surrounded by uprising athletes and has a good core of Vets in the lockeroom to really help him take that next step in his game.  

[BallBeenLifeParticipant]

I think this is the year that Ricky puts it all together (or at least shows signs of it). Obviously his shot is his biggest knock on his game at this point. But I could see his shooting percentage going up after a full season and off season with Wolves shooting coach Mike Penberthy. 

And as far as the trade with the Knicks, who would the Wolves recieve from them? Future draft pick(s), Calderon, & O’Quinn? That’s what it would probably take to even out Rubio’s contract (which he’s getting $12,700,000 for just this season….) 

But if I’m Minnesota I wouldn’t pull the plug on Ricky just yet… He’s finally coming into a season that the team is pretty much built around him and looks like it actually could work. Think about it, when Rubio first came into the league he was forced to play with guys that didn’t fit with his run & gun type of style. And the players that they brought in to help him at that time didn’t pan out at all (Wes Johnson/Derrick Williams). 

Now he’s surrounded by uprising athletes and has a good core of Vets in the lockeroom to really help him take that next step in his game.  

[RecoveringVegetarianParticipant]

 Hey Now!! Who Will they send back Calderon ,draft picks and some broadway tickets?  Rubio has a great basketball mine.. He can play in any system!! Ricky Rub cube can run the triangle

[RecoveringVegetarianParticipant]

 Hey Now!! Who Will they send back Calderon ,draft picks and some broadway tickets?  Rubio has a great basketball mine.. He can play in any system!! Ricky Rub cube can run the triangle

[MopgrassParticipant]

 They might need to send out some players to even the trade financially, but I think Minnesota would just hand him over if they could. He gets paid too much for what he’s accomplished and, on another team, maybe he’d earn that contract. The rest of the Wolves will mature when Rubio is on his way down. 

The Knicks just need talent. If they started the year with Rubio, Afflalo, Carmelo, I’d be impressed with how much Phil Jackson has changed the team. From reports, Carmelo said he had they had Aldridge in the bag until the Knicks started insisting on him playing center. I guess they really want a PF who can hit 3’s. Those 4 players would’ve been pretty impressive. Phil might have had legit reasons though.

Maybe the triangle still works with Rubio. He used to have Jordan or Kobe drive the ball and kick it to a 3 point shooting PG. Maybe now he’d have Rubio drive it and kick it to Aflalo. 

[SnowtaParticipant]

 You think the Wolves would hand him over becuase he gets paid too much, yet Flip is the one who just gave him his current contract (doesn’t even start until ’15-’16)? I don’t think you understand how much Flip values Ricky. People criticize him so much for his shooting and don’t look at his overall impact on the game. The Wolves are a different team with him on the floor. Honestly, if he puts it all together he could eventually make his contract look like a bargain with the new cap. There’s no way Flip is trading him especially right now when his value is low.

[SnowtaParticipant]

 You think the Wolves would hand him over becuase he gets paid too much, yet Flip is the one who just gave him his current contract (doesn’t even start until ’15-’16)? I don’t think you understand how much Flip values Ricky. People criticize him so much for his shooting and don’t look at his overall impact on the game. The Wolves are a different team with him on the floor. Honestly, if he puts it all together he could eventually make his contract look like a bargain with the new cap. There’s no way Flip is trading him especially right now when his value is low.

[MopgrassParticipant]

 They might need to send out some players to even the trade financially, but I think Minnesota would just hand him over if they could. He gets paid too much for what he’s accomplished and, on another team, maybe he’d earn that contract. The rest of the Wolves will mature when Rubio is on his way down. 

The Knicks just need talent. If they started the year with Rubio, Afflalo, Carmelo, I’d be impressed with how much Phil Jackson has changed the team. From reports, Carmelo said he had they had Aldridge in the bag until the Knicks started insisting on him playing center. I guess they really want a PF who can hit 3’s. Those 4 players would’ve been pretty impressive. Phil might have had legit reasons though.

Maybe the triangle still works with Rubio. He used to have Jordan or Kobe drive the ball and kick it to a 3 point shooting PG. Maybe now he’d have Rubio drive it and kick it to Aflalo. 

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 I just don’t understand why everyone thinks the Wolves are going to move him now at his lowest value. They don’t have anyone ready to take over for him. He is going to be 25 this season,which is not old at all. Why would he need a change of scenery when the Wolves are tailor made for his skills. I’m glad the Knicks want him, but the Wolves don’t want anything the Knicks are offering.

[WarblingSpamalopeParticipant]

 I just don’t understand why everyone thinks the Wolves are going to move him now at his lowest value. They don’t have anyone ready to take over for him. He is going to be 25 this season,which is not old at all. Why would he need a change of scenery when the Wolves are tailor made for his skills. I’m glad the Knicks want him, but the Wolves don’t want anything the Knicks are offering.

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

1) Rubio is like one of the best defensive PGs by pretty much every analytic measure. 2) His leadership and unselfishness (Not to mention his insanely high BBIQ and ability to pass) are a huge asset to the Wolves, 3) The only thing that’s held Rubio back is injuries. When he’s healthy, he’s a baller.

 

Plus, what assets do the Knicks have? They cant trade firsts for another like 3-4 years, They dont have players on good contracts that would particularly help the Wolves (exceptions- Grant, O Quinn, Early).

 

Plus, Ricky likes it in MN, and he wants to stay. The Wolves want him to stay. If Rubio gets traded, it’s definitely not to the Knicks because they arent able to put together a good enough offer

 

 

 

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 

1. Keeping Ricky Rubio will likely stunt the growth of both Zach LaVine and Tyus Jones
2. Ricky Rubio is pretty injury prone and only played one full season in his career
3. His highest field goal percentage is 38%
4. The Knicks don’t really need to have anything. The Timberwolves would trade him because it will creare oppotunity for Zach LaVine and Tyus Jones to develop and shine
5. Do you know what both think about each other behind closed doors?

[SnowtaParticipant]

Lavine is not a pg. He’s a combo guard that will be playing primarily off the ball this season. There’s no reason he can’t play well with Rubio. In terms of Tyus, people need to calm down. He is not going to play that much this year and right now Rubio is a WAY better NBA player than Tyus or Lavine (as a pg). Plus Rubio is 24 he is the PG of the future for the Wolves right now.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Rubio have been with the Minnesota Timberwolves for about 4 years now and didn’t show nothing that scream "Franchise Point Guard". He’s never been healthy but once in his career. He never shot over 40% from the field and he’s a career 31% 3 point shooter. 

In LaVine at least you can see if he is a point guard by giving him the keys to the team.

I believe a change of scenery is the best for both the Timberwolves and Ricky Rubio.

 

 

[SnowtaParticipant]

 The Wolves did try that last year. Lavine played the majority of his minutes at PG and struggled a lot. Towards the end of the year when he started playing more off ball is when he started playing much better.

I would agree that if you just look at his traditional stats Rubio doesn’t look like a franchise PG, but if you actually watch the games and look at his on/off numbers you’d realize he’s much more important to the Wolves than his pts and FG% suggest. This team doesn’t need him to score 15-20 pts/gm. He just needs to avg 10-12 while continuing to improve his efficiency, avg 8-10 asts and run the offense, and play good D. All stuff he’s capable of and IMO would make him the franchise PG for this team.

I just really can’t understand your argument here. Now that we finally have  talented athletes around Rubio a change of scenery would benefit him? I think, if anything, playing with Wiggins, Towns, Lavine, Bazz, etc will help raise Rubio’s game to the next level.

 

 

[SnowtaParticipant]

 The Wolves did try that last year. Lavine played the majority of his minutes at PG and struggled a lot. Towards the end of the year when he started playing more off ball is when he started playing much better.

I would agree that if you just look at his traditional stats Rubio doesn’t look like a franchise PG, but if you actually watch the games and look at his on/off numbers you’d realize he’s much more important to the Wolves than his pts and FG% suggest. This team doesn’t need him to score 15-20 pts/gm. He just needs to avg 10-12 while continuing to improve his efficiency, avg 8-10 asts and run the offense, and play good D. All stuff he’s capable of and IMO would make him the franchise PG for this team.

I just really can’t understand your argument here. Now that we finally have  talented athletes around Rubio a change of scenery would benefit him? I think, if anything, playing with Wiggins, Towns, Lavine, Bazz, etc will help raise Rubio’s game to the next level.

 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

Rubio have been with the Minnesota Timberwolves for about 4 years now and didn’t show nothing that scream "Franchise Point Guard". He’s never been healthy but once in his career. He never shot over 40% from the field and he’s a career 31% 3 point shooter. 

In LaVine at least you can see if he is a point guard by giving him the keys to the team.

I believe a change of scenery is the best for both the Timberwolves and Ricky Rubio.

 

 

[SnowtaParticipant]

Lavine is not a pg. He’s a combo guard that will be playing primarily off the ball this season. There’s no reason he can’t play well with Rubio. In terms of Tyus, people need to calm down. He is not going to play that much this year and right now Rubio is a WAY better NBA player than Tyus or Lavine (as a pg). Plus Rubio is 24 he is the PG of the future for the Wolves right now.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 

1. Keeping Ricky Rubio will likely stunt the growth of both Zach LaVine and Tyus Jones
2. Ricky Rubio is pretty injury prone and only played one full season in his career
3. His highest field goal percentage is 38%
4. The Knicks don’t really need to have anything. The Timberwolves would trade him because it will creare oppotunity for Zach LaVine and Tyus Jones to develop and shine
5. Do you know what both think about each other behind closed doors?

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

1) Rubio is like one of the best defensive PGs by pretty much every analytic measure. 2) His leadership and unselfishness (Not to mention his insanely high BBIQ and ability to pass) are a huge asset to the Wolves, 3) The only thing that’s held Rubio back is injuries. When he’s healthy, he’s a baller.

 

Plus, what assets do the Knicks have? They cant trade firsts for another like 3-4 years, They dont have players on good contracts that would particularly help the Wolves (exceptions- Grant, O Quinn, Early).

 

Plus, Ricky likes it in MN, and he wants to stay. The Wolves want him to stay. If Rubio gets traded, it’s definitely not to the Knicks because they arent able to put together a good enough offer

 

 

 

 

 

[publius2481Participant]

 this makes a lot of sense to me. The Knicks need an upgrade at point guard. The TWolves are rebuilding and if they are worried Rubio’s value will decline (which is likely because soon he will be at an age where it is unlikely he will vastly improve), it make sense to trade him now. Also, if they think LaVine will eventually be a better point guard than Rubio, then exploring a trade makes sense. The problem is what do the Knicks have to give back. Rubio is not worth a potential top ten pick, so the Knicks shouldn’t give up a future first round pick. I don’t see any combination of young players the Knicks have that would be good value for Rubio. The only way I can see this trade happening is if a third team is involved.

[publius2481Participant]

 this makes a lot of sense to me. The Knicks need an upgrade at point guard. The TWolves are rebuilding and if they are worried Rubio’s value will decline (which is likely because soon he will be at an age where it is unlikely he will vastly improve), it make sense to trade him now. Also, if they think LaVine will eventually be a better point guard than Rubio, then exploring a trade makes sense. The problem is what do the Knicks have to give back. Rubio is not worth a potential top ten pick, so the Knicks shouldn’t give up a future first round pick. I don’t see any combination of young players the Knicks have that would be good value for Rubio. The only way I can see this trade happening is if a third team is involved.

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

 So the Wolves would need a point guard if they traded Rubio and the Knicks have nothing the Wolves need in return… how does it make any sense at all?  

 With the salary  growing and Rubio coming into his prime with players that fit his style perfectly,  why would the Wolves make that trade?

 Rubio’s ankle has been repaired and he will be the straw that stirs the Wolves drink.  

[PurpleMonkeyDishwasherParticipant]

 So the Wolves would need a point guard if they traded Rubio and the Knicks have nothing the Wolves need in return… how does it make any sense at all?  

 With the salary  growing and Rubio coming into his prime with players that fit his style perfectly,  why would the Wolves make that trade?

 Rubio’s ankle has been repaired and he will be the straw that stirs the Wolves drink.  

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 I’m still pretty sure Rubio is entirely part of the rebuilding process. They’re so much better with him on the floor,why give him up? Now there may be a time where they don’t need him anymore,but that time will not be this season.

[sitlbitoParticipant]

 I’m still pretty sure Rubio is entirely part of the rebuilding process. They’re so much better with him on the floor,why give him up? Now there may be a time where they don’t need him anymore,but that time will not be this season.

[jalliParticipant]

Ricky Rubio is not an NBA starting PG let alone franchise PG.  Defense is decent but his shooting is HS level, cannot finish at rim, injury and turnover-prone. 

[jalliParticipant]

Ricky Rubio is not an NBA starting PG let alone franchise PG.  Defense is decent but his shooting is HS level, cannot finish at rim, injury and turnover-prone. 

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