[KingslayerParticipant]

The deal includes a player option on the 4th year. Link – sports.yahoo.com/news/sources–jonas-valanciunas-extension-with-raptors-worth–64m–70m-192902304.html

JV is entering the 4th year of his rookie deal, and this is the first domino to fall in terms of extensions for the 2012 first round draft class (excluding max contracts signed by AD & Lillard). JV was drafted in 2011 but spent one season in Europe before his career & contract began.

He’s the first of several young players going into their last season before restricted free agency next offseason, when contract values will continue to soar with the rapidly rising salary cap. Beal and Drummond are the most noteworthy candidates for extensions before the Oct. 31st deadline, however there are several other more risky candidates that may be offered extensions as well, such as MKG, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones, etc. 

16 million per year seems like a lot of money for JV, however it could actually be seen as a bargain given the expected cap figures over the 4 years beginning 2016/2017. Based on widely reported projections, the average salary cap over those 4 years is expected to be about $101 million. For comparison’s sake, the 4 year average ending this past season was about $59.5. That 70% increase in cap space means this contract takes up essentially the same proportion of cap space as the 4 year, $43 million deal signed by DeAndre Jordan in 2011 – coming off a career year of 7.1 PTS and 7.2 REB per game. Jordan clearly became a much better player since then, but I’d consider his perceived value at that time (2011) to be a notch or two below what JV’s value is viewed as currently. 

Based on the rising cap, max contract offers for 4 years will be as high as $85-90 million next offseason. JV has several areas he needs to improve upon to eventually "earn" this contract extension, but he had the potential to be much costlier to the Raptors than $64 million with another year of only marginal improvement. Another decent move in an offseason full of them by Toronto. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 When Valanciunas was being discussed on this board just prior to his draft, I labeled his best-case scenario as Rik Smits, and was ruthlessly insulted for such a low view of Mr. Valanciunas. I contended that based on Smits’ career numbers, this comparison was a compliment. My argument was that he was likely going to be pretty good, stable, solid, but not a superstar by any stretch. 

After three years, he’s at 12 points and 8.7 rebounds. Smits didn’t rebound quite as well, but averaged more than 12 points for a season 10 times. 

All those of you who were convinced that Valanciunas was the next Tim Duncan, please face the music!

 

 

[Andrew1984Participant]

 When Valanciunas was being discussed on this board just prior to his draft, I labeled his best-case scenario as Rik Smits, and was ruthlessly insulted for such a low view of Mr. Valanciunas. I contended that based on Smits’ career numbers, this comparison was a compliment. My argument was that he was likely going to be pretty good, stable, solid, but not a superstar by any stretch. 

After three years, he’s at 12 points and 8.7 rebounds. Smits didn’t rebound quite as well, but averaged more than 12 points for a season 10 times. 

All those of you who were convinced that Valanciunas was the next Tim Duncan, please face the music!

 

 

[JR RyderParticipant]

Rik Smits modern comparison is Marc Gasol. Jonas is not as skilled as Rik Smits and I dont ever see him ever having the post up game that Smits had.

I always saw Jonas as a Andres Biedris without the free throw issues.

[JR RyderParticipant]

Rik Smits modern comparison is Marc Gasol. Jonas is not as skilled as Rik Smits and I dont ever see him ever having the post up game that Smits had.

I always saw Jonas as a Andres Biedris without the free throw issues.

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 You can make an argument that he’s not been as impressive as most believed because Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan are labeled as "chuckers" and that Dwane Casey does not run much plays for him. He was the 4th option last year behind Derozan, Lowry, and Williams 

 

[ChicagoCaseyParticipant]

 You can make an argument that he’s not been as impressive as most believed because Kyle Lowry and Demar Derozan are labeled as "chuckers" and that Dwane Casey does not run much plays for him. He was the 4th option last year behind Derozan, Lowry, and Williams 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 I would think the Raptors should be very happy.  They didn’t really overpay in a league that really overpays for size, and next year there would have been many teams with much larger offers for him.

Big and strong, great percentages, no injuries the last two seasons, the hardest piece for a team to get is often the one in the middle so signing Jonas should bring stability to the roster.

The interesting part of this is when the draft was on, everyone thought JV to the Cavs would happen but instead they went with Tristan Thompson.  The Raptors are keeping their big guy for the future, the Cavs might be unable to get an extension with their player.

Jonas, T Thompson, N Vucevic, Kanter, the draft produced some useful center size and rebounding.  Orlando got a bargain with Vucevic’s extension.  Toronto did well.  OKC might have been in a tough position, not wanting to look cheap when they have to keep Durant happy, but they overpaid Kanter.  Thompson, he was offered a lot by Cleveland but hasn’t signed yet.

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 I would think the Raptors should be very happy.  They didn’t really overpay in a league that really overpays for size, and next year there would have been many teams with much larger offers for him.

Big and strong, great percentages, no injuries the last two seasons, the hardest piece for a team to get is often the one in the middle so signing Jonas should bring stability to the roster.

The interesting part of this is when the draft was on, everyone thought JV to the Cavs would happen but instead they went with Tristan Thompson.  The Raptors are keeping their big guy for the future, the Cavs might be unable to get an extension with their player.

Jonas, T Thompson, N Vucevic, Kanter, the draft produced some useful center size and rebounding.  Orlando got a bargain with Vucevic’s extension.  Toronto did well.  OKC might have been in a tough position, not wanting to look cheap when they have to keep Durant happy, but they overpaid Kanter.  Thompson, he was offered a lot by Cleveland but hasn’t signed yet.

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 It’s so hard to judge what’s a good deal now. I know everyone talks about the new CBA being way more generous for players but I have yet to meet anyone who can intelligible explain by how much. 

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

Well, I think of contracts as what percentage of the cap will that player be taking up. JV’s deal will pay him on average of 16 mil per season over a time period with an average projected salary cap of around 94 million. That means he’ll take up on average of 17% of Toronto’s cap. Nikola Pekovic signed a 5 year extension back in 2013 for an average of 12 million per. The cap wasn’t expected to jump so much back then, but as I recall is was pretty safe to assume that the cap would go up 4 million per year. Using an average salary cap of 67 million Pekovics deal pays him roughly 18% of the cap on average. Considering Peks deal at the time seemed like a bad one due to his injury concerns; plus, JV is younger then Pek was and arguably just as good, this seems like a good deal for Toronto. 

[Numbers_CruncherParticipant]

Well, I think of contracts as what percentage of the cap will that player be taking up. JV’s deal will pay him on average of 16 mil per season over a time period with an average projected salary cap of around 94 million. That means he’ll take up on average of 17% of Toronto’s cap. Nikola Pekovic signed a 5 year extension back in 2013 for an average of 12 million per. The cap wasn’t expected to jump so much back then, but as I recall is was pretty safe to assume that the cap would go up 4 million per year. Using an average salary cap of 67 million Pekovics deal pays him roughly 18% of the cap on average. Considering Peks deal at the time seemed like a bad one due to his injury concerns; plus, JV is younger then Pek was and arguably just as good, this seems like a good deal for Toronto. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 It’s so hard to judge what’s a good deal now. I know everyone talks about the new CBA being way more generous for players but I have yet to meet anyone who can intelligible explain by how much. 

[Toronto16Participant]

Good value deal for the Raptors. I just hope that groin injury that Jonas has is not really serious why he took this deal.

[Toronto16Participant]

Good value deal for the Raptors. I just hope that groin injury that Jonas has is not really serious why he took this deal.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 The raptors are banking on the fact that valuncunias will take a leap forward and blossom into an upper-echelon center with this deal. If that happens than it will look like an excellent deal. If he continues to give them about the same production he has over the past couple seasons, than they are overpaying though.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 The raptors are banking on the fact that valuncunias will take a leap forward and blossom into an upper-echelon center with this deal. If that happens than it will look like an excellent deal. If he continues to give them about the same production he has over the past couple seasons, than they are overpaying though.

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