[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

IMO people jumped on Ad’s bandwagon a long time Go

[sheltwon3Participant]

The so called experts have been wrong a lot.

There has been few drafts where the jump was really that huge after 2 years when most young players get the opportunity to show what they can do.

I think it is a lot of media hype and so called experts taking the lazy aproach.

At what point did Barnes who the experts said was a sure thing become a scrub.

How did Drummonds who looks nothing like Thabeet or Kwame or have a smiliar body type become these players.

How did Jeremy Lamb go from being a future star to leftovers.

It sounds like hype to me.  How can you be so wrong one year and and all of a sudden you are right this year. 

Kidd-Gilchrist would not be hyped as much if he stayed another year, let’s just ask Lamb about that.

I am sure he would make a drop like Barnes in stock

[Seamo15Participant]

Beacause the nice people on the television told us so.

[NiceWithTheRockParticipant]

I think it all comes down to expectations. People thought Drummond would dominate, but didn’t. They thought Jeremy Lamb would dominate; depends on how you look at it. Just like Barnes, people know there’s a chance they can become great down the line. It also has to do with team success. Anthony Davis straight dominated defensively on the #1 team in the nation and won a championship. UCONN underperformed given their expectations. So that only magnified questions about Lamb and Drummond’s intensity and desire.

[Jlv2012]

The rest don’t. That’s a pretty big difference from the rest of the group.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

various factors in combination make him a no brainer (no one else has the same credentials as him) 

Potental + Proven performance (Drummond has potential but no proven performance/ Sullinger has proven performance but no potintial) 

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Winning Mentality (Won the NCAA championship)

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Youth (Freshmen, players like Robinson/lillard performed well but are a bit older so their room for growth may be low) 

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Good attitude (seems like a hard worker and a decent guy, sometimes players are picked lower for their attituede which doesnt seem to be a problem for davis) 

you probobly cant find another player in the draft that have this formula so he can be considered a no brainner number 1 pick.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Bosh all of that means nothing if it never translates to the NBA.  I heard good things about tons of players and people were shocked that they sucked.  I actually think he will be a great player and he has gone to the best team for him.  Monty Williams will be able to get the best out of him.  Also Davis played his role, his numbers are not like Beasley, Durant’s or Oden’s.  Barnes get screwed because of the system.  I remember a certain point guard who stats were pretty subpar in college but right now he is in the Finals and causing havoc.  I also remember a certain star guard whose stats were average at UNC but they were supernatural in the NBA. 

One year should not hype a player to unreasonble levels if you are talking about true experts and not hype artists.

[boshjonesfordParticipant]

ofcourse it doesnt sheltwon3. Theres no garuntees with the draft if there was then there would be no need for work outs evalutions or anything like that, but those are the factors that are valued by teams (and rightfully so). there are a number variables in play but the ones that Anthony Davis have seperate him from the others which is why he is a no brainer number 1 (thats all im trying to say) 

 

[bloodshyParticipant]

No one will ever be fired for picking Davis.

Expectations: A few years back the Texan’s GM got fired for picking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.  Now, six years later Mario is a top 5 defensive lineman and Bush just finished his first season as a full-time starter.  Bush’s career overall has been a major disappointment.  Picking Mario was a flat-out brilliant move that got an intelligent GM fired because it went against expectations.  Career-focused GMs will make career-promoting decisions.  No one wants to make the unconvential pick (even if it’s for the best player) if doing so gets you fired.

Potential: Davis has huge potential.  A few may argue that Drummond, PJ3, Barnes, etc. have as much.  But no one thinks anyone has a major advantage on Davis in the potential department.

Safe: Davis is already a producer.  He won player of the year as a freshman and was the best player on a team w/a fist full of first round draft picks.  There’s almost no bust potential here, but there’s very real bust potential with most of the other choices. 

[apb540Participant]

I think that Anthony Davis is the best player in this draft because I watched him play. There are a few good prospects in this class but he was clearly the best player, on a classicly good team, as a freshman.

 

[rickybobbyParticipant]

 I believe Davis is going to be good but he been way overated in my opinion. People have already said he’s a Hall of Famer, he’s going to help a team to 50 wins his first year, he’s going to be the best defensive player since Bill Russel and so on.

The kid really is just a long long long athlete who was a guard until a huge growth spurt. Offensive he has to go to post moves but you can see some developing. He was a guard a can dribble but he isnt going to be running a fast break or anything and crossing be up.  Yea defensively he going to have an impact right away but his length isnt going to as big of an advantage as it was in college because almost everyone is long in the NBA nowadays. 

I fail to believe the drop off from #1 to #2 is a huge as everyone says. Guys like Barnes and Lamb didnt all of sudden go from potential all stars and stars to scrubbs as the media is trying to make it seem. Both average 17 points a game in college which isnt nothing to sneeze at. To tell the truth i wouldnt be surprised if someone other than Davis becomes the best player out of this draft years from now.

[r377Participant]

I think at this point in time there is a gap because of the uncertainty of it all in the future. Davis is the most certain not to be a complete bust and to me looks like at least a 5+ future all star.

Now the gap is  just the uncertainty of who is the second best player. At this point in time its just so hard to tell.  It could be MKG, T-Rob, Beal, Lamb and who knows it could even be someone down the list like Austin Rivers or Royce White. It may seem hardly unlikely, but it does happen. Back on draft day you would never had said Monta Ellis, David Lee, Gerald Wallace, Gilbert Arenas or Michael Redd would have turned out to be a top 3 or top 5 player from their draft class, but it does happen…..

In 10 years time we could look back and for instance Lamb or Beal could of been selected 4th-7th overall and then be 20+ppg – 7 time allstars and end up being the second best player from the class or even better than Anthony Davis….

At this point in time its just the uncertainty of it all – made even harder by alot of the players only playing 1 or 2 college seasons…..

[sheltwon3Participant]

The funny thing is it is the one year player getting most of the hype.  I think there is no way Barnes is a bust.  Same thing with Sullinger.  These guys have legit skills and no how to play.  There are a few others but these guys have taken the biggest fall and it is all because of hype and not reality.

 

This upset me because it actually encourages players to come out early but the league acts like it wants two years minimum for college players.  If the draft reflected player staying longer than players would stay longer.  I think players started coming out early more often when they were being picked ahead of guys with more time in college.  Right now it is actually a knock on you to be in school too long except for a few players.

[JrbenzCuse23]

If Scoop Jardine doesn’t sneak into the top 10 I am going to be seriously disapointed.

[uknationParticipant]

You could ask the same questions when Duncan,Wall,Blake,Shaq,LeBron were all projected as top picks and everyone else was a step below. No one knew for sure how they would turn out but ey went by what they saw and what they figured each player would become

[uknationParticipant]

Also. No one has said Barnes or Sully are going to be bust so I’m not sure why you keep saying that. The only players any scout said have busy potential is Drummond and P.Jones. They think every other player including Barnes and Sully will be very productive.

[B-ball fanParticipant]

 Davis is the top prospect because he was both productive and efficient in college, and has a ton of growing room on both ends of the floor.  

Barnes is very good, but he was very fortunate to play for UNC in an up-tempo offense alongside Kendall Marshall which hid some of his weaknesses.  He can do everything pretty well, but he has work to do to become an efficient NBA scoring threat.  

MKG is outstanding; I think he is a little underrated by some of the posters on this site, but his lack of shooting ability is a major weakness.  I think most people aknowledge that he isn’t really on another level from some other prospects, but he is the top sf prospect.  

Drummond really struggles to put the ball in the basket when he can’t dunk and doesn’t attack the basket aggresively, which negates some of the physical advantages he holds over opponents.

Sullinger is a very limited defensive player whose lack of athleticism hinders his potential to become an elite post scorer in the NBA.

Lamb is very good, but he is the type of player who needs to go to the right team, which will let him play to his strengths, as he has a very unorthodox game.

Is there any one player you think should be on the level of Davis?  Of course, Davis isn’t a lock to be the best player chosen, but I don’t think there is a single prosect on par with Anthony Davis.

[Sewok15Participant]

I agree with everything you said but the part about Lamb having an orthodox game….can you elaborate?

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