[sammybuckeye13Participant]

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/68921/20100831/nets_unwilling_to_offer_lopez_for_melo_as_denver_hears_trade_offers/

Smart. Centers like Lopez are truly hard to find. With Bogut not having averaged more than 15.9 points 5 seasons in and Oden still struggling with injuries and not projecting to be much of a force on offense anytime soon, Lopez could be the only 7-footer averaging 20-10 in a year or two. Swingmen who can give you 25-30 on any night but don’t excel in any other areas are not as valuable, especially in today’s league.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I guess you can semi-eliminate New Jersey then.

Unless NJ is willing to do a T-Will/Favors/picks package- I don’t see Melo in NJ.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

I guess you can semi-eliminate New Jersey then.

Unless NJ is willing to do a T-Will/Favors/picks package- I don’t see Melo in NJ.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Teams shouldn’t trade away their best players …

for a guy they’re not sure will sign an extension…

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Teams shouldn’t trade away their best players …

for a guy they’re not sure will sign an extension…

[bkballerParticipant]

I don’t even know if I trade Favors/Twill and picks for Melo. It can really bite you in the ass if Favors reaches his potential and becomes a top 3-4 PF in the NBA playing for 3 million a year. Plus I don’t see them becoming better than a 45 win team next year with Melo anyways so those picks would be solid as well.

[bkballerParticipant]

I don’t even know if I trade Favors/Twill and picks for Melo. It can really bite you in the ass if Favors reaches his potential and becomes a top 3-4 PF in the NBA playing for 3 million a year. Plus I don’t see them becoming better than a 45 win team next year with Melo anyways so those picks would be solid as well.

[PlatypusParticipant]

“Lopez could be the only 7-footer averaging 20-10 in a year or two”

Pau Gasol? Yao? Bargnani (no other bigs on his team)? Marc Gasol (if Randolph is traded he can step up)?

[PlatypusParticipant]

“Lopez could be the only 7-footer averaging 20-10 in a year or two”

Pau Gasol? Yao? Bargnani (no other bigs on his team)? Marc Gasol (if Randolph is traded he can step up)?

[sheltwon3Participant]

I would do Melo for Lopez if Melo signs an extension easy because Lopez may not be the starting center in 2 years. Favors could take over that spot. Brook’s game is more like a power forwards. There are most than enough power forwards to replace him.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I would do Melo for Lopez if Melo signs an extension easy because Lopez may not be the starting center in 2 years. Favors could take over that spot. Brook’s game is more like a power forwards. There are most than enough power forwards to replace him.

[sheltwon3Participant]

obviously I would not give up Lopez and another key guy to get Melo though and also NJ if they do add Harris or Williams, they need to get Chris Anderson. You have to think that Melo in the East would be devestating especially since NJ has cap space.

[sheltwon3Participant]

obviously I would not give up Lopez and another key guy to get Melo though and also NJ if they do add Harris or Williams, they need to get Chris Anderson. You have to think that Melo in the East would be devestating especially since NJ has cap space.

[bkballerParticipant]

I personally think Lopez is overrated and on a better team wouldn’t have those numbers so I would probably trade him before a a favors and picks package.

[bkballerParticipant]

I personally think Lopez is overrated and on a better team wouldn’t have those numbers so I would probably trade him before a a favors and picks package.

[SteroidParticipant]

I also think Lopez is overrated. He can score, and that’s about it. He is an average rebounder and below average defender for the center position. Don’t let the stats fool you…

T-Will could have a breakout year, and Favors is a BIG project, IMO. I would trade Favors with no remorse at all even IF he became a good player. What are the chances he becomes a perennial all-star, or even far off, a superstar?

[SteroidParticipant]

I also think Lopez is overrated. He can score, and that’s about it. He is an average rebounder and below average defender for the center position. Don’t let the stats fool you…

T-Will could have a breakout year, and Favors is a BIG project, IMO. I would trade Favors with no remorse at all even IF he became a good player. What are the chances he becomes a perennial all-star, or even far off, a superstar?

[TheWizardParticipant]

I would have never said this before last week, but the Kings look like they have a major shot at tying up Melo. With Dalembert, up-coming Landry, and garcia/donte, this would be a major offer for the nuggets who would lose melo anyways next summer.

[TheWizardParticipant]

I would have never said this before last week, but the Kings look like they have a major shot at tying up Melo. With Dalembert, up-coming Landry, and garcia/donte, this would be a major offer for the nuggets who would lose melo anyways next summer.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I’m glad they came out and said it. I think a starting center with real skill is a hard find in the NBA. Teams reach on 7 footers all the time, but most of those guys are raw. At least with Lopez, you know he can play. He’s not perfect, but he’s still a young guy and I think he could actually put up better numbers with some added help. Teams spent a lot of time double teaming him and he still did a nice job. Last year was even worse for Lopez because Devin Harris missed a lot of games and wasn’t the same last year. He could have helped relieve some of that pressure. You have a 22 year old center in his 2nd year putting up almost 19 and 9 with over a block and a half. Don’t get me wrong, Carmelo is good, but he also gets to put up a lot of shots. I’m not saying the Nets shouldn’t go after Carmelo, but not if you have to give up Lopez and you can’t give up too many young guys because that doesn’t really advance the cause for building a better team for the long-term either, especially when you would be giving up guys still playing on rookie contracts.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

I’m glad they came out and said it. I think a starting center with real skill is a hard find in the NBA. Teams reach on 7 footers all the time, but most of those guys are raw. At least with Lopez, you know he can play. He’s not perfect, but he’s still a young guy and I think he could actually put up better numbers with some added help. Teams spent a lot of time double teaming him and he still did a nice job. Last year was even worse for Lopez because Devin Harris missed a lot of games and wasn’t the same last year. He could have helped relieve some of that pressure. You have a 22 year old center in his 2nd year putting up almost 19 and 9 with over a block and a half. Don’t get me wrong, Carmelo is good, but he also gets to put up a lot of shots. I’m not saying the Nets shouldn’t go after Carmelo, but not if you have to give up Lopez and you can’t give up too many young guys because that doesn’t really advance the cause for building a better team for the long-term either, especially when you would be giving up guys still playing on rookie contracts.

[sc0rebuckets11Participant]

was obvious. you don’t trade bigs (especially centers) for wings, even if it is melo.

[sc0rebuckets11Participant]

was obvious. you don’t trade bigs (especially centers) for wings, even if it is melo.

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

would have to have just hit the crack pipe to take that deal with the Kings but if the Kings get it they are for real for real…..like that….

[midwestbbscoutParticipant]

would have to have just hit the crack pipe to take that deal with the Kings but if the Kings get it they are for real for real…..like that….

[billykParticipant]

Lopez is overrated??? 19 ppg 9 rebs and 2 blks a game in your second year is overrated… Lopez obviously has room to grow you and you can build around him.. The Nets would be making a BIG mistake to trade Lopez for Melo… I think Lopez can be a top 5 center and you dont trade a potential top 5 center… I think Lopez can peak at 24 ppg and 10 reb… I think he has handled himself very well considering the team around him.. Brook Lopez can easily be a STARTING CENTER for a championship team… BTW Lopez is actually and above average defender…

[billykParticipant]

Lopez is overrated??? 19 ppg 9 rebs and 2 blks a game in your second year is overrated… Lopez obviously has room to grow you and you can build around him.. The Nets would be making a BIG mistake to trade Lopez for Melo… I think Lopez can be a top 5 center and you dont trade a potential top 5 center… I think Lopez can peak at 24 ppg and 10 reb… I think he has handled himself very well considering the team around him.. Brook Lopez can easily be a STARTING CENTER for a championship team… BTW Lopez is actually and above average defender…

[SteroidParticipant]

Yes, he’s overrated. He averaged that on a team that went 12-70, and no matter what you average, that record is unimpressive in itself and makes any individual player stat line on that team irrelevant… He played A LOT of garbage games. I’ve watch games where he would stuff stats towards the end of games when they had no chance of winning against other teams’ bench players. He is a good center and definitely a starter on a winning team, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be a first option. He is not a good low post defender. Don’t let the blocks fool you. He is not a good rebounder for a 7 foot center, playing 36 mpg, especially on such a pedestrian team with no one sharing the paint with him really. He should have averaged at least 9.5 instead of 8.6, if indeed, he is a good rebounder. Brook Lopez is good, and he’s up there by default simply because there aren’t too many big men. I wouldn’t anoint him to be the next Tim Duncan or someone on that level of big men though..

[SteroidParticipant]

Yes, he’s overrated. He averaged that on a team that went 12-70, and no matter what you average, that record is unimpressive in itself and makes any individual player stat line on that team irrelevant… He played A LOT of garbage games. I’ve watch games where he would stuff stats towards the end of games when they had no chance of winning against other teams’ bench players. He is a good center and definitely a starter on a winning team, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be a first option. He is not a good low post defender. Don’t let the blocks fool you. He is not a good rebounder for a 7 foot center, playing 36 mpg, especially on such a pedestrian team with no one sharing the paint with him really. He should have averaged at least 9.5 instead of 8.6, if indeed, he is a good rebounder. Brook Lopez is good, and he’s up there by default simply because there aren’t too many big men. I wouldn’t anoint him to be the next Tim Duncan or someone on that level of big men though..

[bkballerParticipant]

steriod said exactly what I was going to…countless games he went into the 4th quarter with non existent numbers and padded them the last few minutes in a 20 point loss. He is a poor rebounder, I dont understand why people are so quick to bash Amare’s 9 rebounds per game but praise a taller center averaging less on a poor team that had the leagues lowest shooting percentage by far. He was forced into scoring 19 ppg and was not very efficient… if you take his very solid free throw shooting his TS% numbers are very bad for a big man. He also pouts a lot and acts like a baby during games. On a solid team he is just a good center, not a “future all star”….I’ll take Horford, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Howard, Bogut, Yao (hopefully he gets healthy), possibly Kaman to name a few over him. All those guys would put up better numbers on that Nets team and would win more than 12 games.

[bkballerParticipant]

steriod said exactly what I was going to…countless games he went into the 4th quarter with non existent numbers and padded them the last few minutes in a 20 point loss. He is a poor rebounder, I dont understand why people are so quick to bash Amare’s 9 rebounds per game but praise a taller center averaging less on a poor team that had the leagues lowest shooting percentage by far. He was forced into scoring 19 ppg and was not very efficient… if you take his very solid free throw shooting his TS% numbers are very bad for a big man. He also pouts a lot and acts like a baby during games. On a solid team he is just a good center, not a “future all star”….I’ll take Horford, Bynum, Marc Gasol, Howard, Bogut, Yao (hopefully he gets healthy), possibly Kaman to name a few over him. All those guys would put up better numbers on that Nets team and would win more than 12 games.

[bkballerParticipant]

If Lopez averages 24 and 10 one year, we will have a new loss record in the NBA.

[bkballerParticipant]

If Lopez averages 24 and 10 one year, we will have a new loss record in the NBA.

[billykParticipant]

Last year Brook Lopez was in his second season with nobody around him…. Who else on the Nets team were any good, of course thet couldnt win his supporting cast wasnt very goodt.. I think Lopez is an above average rebounder and defender (he may not be an elite)… How is shooting 50% from the field and 80% from the freethrow line inefficent… He played on a team with NOBODY… If Lopez averages 19 and 9 in his second year, is it not possible he can improve to 24 and 10 by his 6th or 7th season when centers are usually in their primes??? Lopez is a future all star and he still has a ways to go before he reachs his prime, but NO DOUBT he has the tools… He has decent range on his jumper and some nice post moves… I think if Lopez had a decent surrounding cast he could make some noise.. BTW, Lopez averaged 23 ppg 10 rebs and 2 blks in games the Nets won last year, while shooting 60%…

[billykParticipant]

Last year Brook Lopez was in his second season with nobody around him…. Who else on the Nets team were any good, of course thet couldnt win his supporting cast wasnt very goodt.. I think Lopez is an above average rebounder and defender (he may not be an elite)… How is shooting 50% from the field and 80% from the freethrow line inefficent… He played on a team with NOBODY… If Lopez averages 19 and 9 in his second year, is it not possible he can improve to 24 and 10 by his 6th or 7th season when centers are usually in their primes??? Lopez is a future all star and he still has a ways to go before he reachs his prime, but NO DOUBT he has the tools… He has decent range on his jumper and some nice post moves… I think if Lopez had a decent surrounding cast he could make some noise.. BTW, Lopez averaged 23 ppg 10 rebs and 2 blks in games the Nets won last year, while shooting 60%…

[SteroidParticipant]

The thing is, in comparison to other good big men, shooting barely 50% from the field is mediocre while shooting 81% from the line is pretty good. Other good big men shoot well above 50% The thing is, they can’t win with him being their main scorer. If you say he played on a team with nobody, then you must agree that his stats are padded, right? If he averaged 24 and 10 in his prime, then the Nets will still continue to lose. There is no way they will be a winning team with him as their first option. If lopez had a better surrounding casts, his numbers would be down. The Nets didn’t even win too many games for that to even matter. A lot of big men have big double double games. Also, I don’t know why you say he averaged 9 rebs because it s a clear 8.6. Like Bkballer said, if Amar’e gets critized for being a legit 9 reb guy, then you think a 7 footer averaging 8.6 is good? The averages are pretty accurate over a 82 game season especially when the guy plays 36 mins. Also, his individual defensive stats are pretty bad. His defensive win shares is 2.4, which if he was a good defender, it would have been higher at about 6 or better. His defensive rating is also 110, which if he contributed to being a good low post defender on the team, it would have been in the high 90s or low 100s at worst.

[SteroidParticipant]

The thing is, in comparison to other good big men, shooting barely 50% from the field is mediocre while shooting 81% from the line is pretty good. Other good big men shoot well above 50% The thing is, they can’t win with him being their main scorer. If you say he played on a team with nobody, then you must agree that his stats are padded, right? If he averaged 24 and 10 in his prime, then the Nets will still continue to lose. There is no way they will be a winning team with him as their first option. If lopez had a better surrounding casts, his numbers would be down. The Nets didn’t even win too many games for that to even matter. A lot of big men have big double double games. Also, I don’t know why you say he averaged 9 rebs because it s a clear 8.6. Like Bkballer said, if Amar’e gets critized for being a legit 9 reb guy, then you think a 7 footer averaging 8.6 is good? The averages are pretty accurate over a 82 game season especially when the guy plays 36 mins. Also, his individual defensive stats are pretty bad. His defensive win shares is 2.4, which if he was a good defender, it would have been higher at about 6 or better. His defensive rating is also 110, which if he contributed to being a good low post defender on the team, it would have been in the high 90s or low 100s at worst.

[PlatypusParticipant]

just throwing it out there about Lopez, he finnished 7th in PER

1 Tim Duncan – 24.79
2 Dwight Howard – 24.07
3 Greg Oden – 23.14
4 David Lee – 22.28
5 Andrew Bogut – 20.81
6 Andrew Bynum – 20.26
7 Brook Lopez – 20.11
8 Nazr Mohamed – 19.64
9 Al Horford – 19.43
10 Marc Gasol – 19.30

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc

[PlatypusParticipant]

just throwing it out there about Lopez, he finnished 7th in PER

1 Tim Duncan – 24.79
2 Dwight Howard – 24.07
3 Greg Oden – 23.14
4 David Lee – 22.28
5 Andrew Bogut – 20.81
6 Andrew Bynum – 20.26
7 Brook Lopez – 20.11
8 Nazr Mohamed – 19.64
9 Al Horford – 19.43
10 Marc Gasol – 19.30

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?position=c&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fposition%3dc

[HitsterParticipant]

Looking at the PER shows truly why Tim Duncan is regarded as one of the best players ever and esily one of the all time great PF’s. These rating do perhaps help to show Brook’s potential worth regardless of whether the Nets won less regular season games than several NFL teams last season.

[HitsterParticipant]

Looking at the PER shows truly why Tim Duncan is regarded as one of the best players ever and esily one of the all time great PF’s. These rating do perhaps help to show Brook’s potential worth regardless of whether the Nets won less regular season games than several NFL teams last season.

[SteroidParticipant]

PER doesn’t include defense at all, and why does his PER even matter when his team doesn’t win with him as a first option? And if your going to bring in PER, you might as well bring in the other advanced stats such as the advanced defensive stats.

[SteroidParticipant]

PER doesn’t include defense at all, and why does his PER even matter when his team doesn’t win with him as a first option? And if your going to bring in PER, you might as well bring in the other advanced stats such as the advanced defensive stats.

[SteroidParticipant]

It’s just hard for me to fathom the New Jersey Nets actually winning in this era, especially in the Eastern Conference, with Brook Lopez as their “all-star”. Anyone care to tell me how that’s going to happen in the next 3-4 years without getting a big name like Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony? It’s about winning championships, not simply competing, and this should be taken even more serious with teams like Boston, Miami, and The Lakers who are stockpiled with guys with 18-20+ PER ratings.. At best, the Nets will be the next Atlanta Hawks team with Brook as the main guy. He will be no better than Pau Gasol when he was at the Grizzlies. Count on it..

[SteroidParticipant]

It’s just hard for me to fathom the New Jersey Nets actually winning in this era, especially in the Eastern Conference, with Brook Lopez as their “all-star”. Anyone care to tell me how that’s going to happen in the next 3-4 years without getting a big name like Chris Paul or Carmelo Anthony? It’s about winning championships, not simply competing, and this should be taken even more serious with teams like Boston, Miami, and The Lakers who are stockpiled with guys with 18-20+ PER ratings.. At best, the Nets will be the next Atlanta Hawks team with Brook as the main guy. He will be no better than Pau Gasol when he was at the Grizzlies. Count on it..

[billykParticipant]

Of course Lopez cant do it by himself and maybe he wont play his whole career for the Nets, but he is a very viable piece to a championship contender.. Any player needs a CAST around them to win a CHAMPIONSHIP and I think Lopez can be like a Pau Gasol (a seond option on a championship team)… What player can WIN a CHAMPIONSHIP with the Nets ROSTER??? NONE… Lopez is a future all star and he does have the ability to be a 2nd option on a championship contender… Lopez is entering his third season and is far from his prime as a player, but he has the tools to be great considering the strides he has made from his first to second year…. Big men usually take a while to develop and it is safe to say that Lopez is ahead of the curve (how many big men put up the numbers Lopez has in his second year??)…..

[billykParticipant]

Of course Lopez cant do it by himself and maybe he wont play his whole career for the Nets, but he is a very viable piece to a championship contender.. Any player needs a CAST around them to win a CHAMPIONSHIP and I think Lopez can be like a Pau Gasol (a seond option on a championship team)… What player can WIN a CHAMPIONSHIP with the Nets ROSTER??? NONE… Lopez is a future all star and he does have the ability to be a 2nd option on a championship contender… Lopez is entering his third season and is far from his prime as a player, but he has the tools to be great considering the strides he has made from his first to second year…. Big men usually take a while to develop and it is safe to say that Lopez is ahead of the curve (how many big men put up the numbers Lopez has in his second year??)…..

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