[projectpat310Participant]

The list is here: http://www.baselinej.com/most-unguardable-moves-in-nba-history/ Thoughts? I’m not sure about the Dream Shake being #1. It was pretty… but there are/were more effective moves.

[Cardinal_FanParticipant]

 Its gottta be the skyhook imo, the proof is Kareem is the all-time leading scorer in the league

[goneParticipant]

The utep two step is actually a between the legs then front crossover

. I also think God Shammgod deserves a spot on this list even though he didn’t have a major impact NBA wise and any move tyreke evans does

[JoeWolf1]

 U_Know_Chris, you beat me to it.  +1, a deadly accurate skyhook from a 7’2” athletic center.  UN BLOCKABLE!

Jordan’s fadeaway on the block was unstoppable too, the way he’d kick his leg out to create space was textbook.  Dirk has a great fadeaway too, but it was MJ’s bread and butter past 33 years old and he was a master.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

 The Skyhook was pretty unstoppable and it still would be. Kareem was at least 7′ 2" and he could move and jump (at least during the first 10 or so years in the league). How could the centers of his time or even today stop a hook shot that he would shoot on the move and after jumping? You weren’t blocking it even if you were Wilt or Russell or even Mutumbo. 

The Skyhook only had one weakness and you won’t figure it out watching the highlight reels. The highlight reals make it look he never missed. He did. Some of the moves above, I suspect, once executed resulted in a higher percentages of makes than Kareem’s skyhook. But since all the Skyhook needed was a decent post position, an easy entry pass (you are passing to a guy who is 7′ 2", pass it anywhere and he will grab it) and then have enough shooters and cutters on the floor that the double team doesn’t come immediately. You could run that play 30 times a game. So I’d say it should be number 1.

It also seems like they are taking all of the Dream’s moves and calling it the Dream Shake. That doesn’t seem fair when you look at the rest of the list. If you want to talk about the totatlity of a players moves, then McHale of the 60% shooting percentage and 80% from the FT line should be on any list of unguardable players. But McHale didn’t have any one specific move that was unguardable.  

[2quick4uParticipant]

good post, bad list. 

first of all we should make a diference between most unguardeable move and most unguardable shot… with an unguardable move the player creates space with the dribble, but then he has to shoot..and make it. with an unguardable shot, the shot it self becomes the moves just by using the body and the release without dribbling..and of course making it.

second, i think in order to be in that list, the player has to be the creator of that shot/move, or if not, to be the best doing it.

and third, that move/shot has to be the trademark move/shot of that player, that means the one he used to score most of its points.

i say all this because for example, Shaquille O’Neal‘s dropstep move is a move older than him, he did not use that move to score most of his points and it wasn’t even his best move..

and that patrickmaeng has to be joking so hard by having hakeem’s shake over kareem’s sky hook and jordan’s fadeaway.

wizkid,  Shammgod was obviously a great dibbler but that crossover that made him famous and actually has his name on it, it’s a move that was invented in europe(former yugoslavia), and it was already used in the 70’s!!

[aamir543Participant]

Speaking of a skyhook, I was thinking of incorporating a skyhook into my game. Do you guys recomend it, or not? Because I know it’ll take a lot of practice to get it pefect.

[dsrepresentaParticipant]

 jamal crawford move so nice i havent seen anybody do that move yet. that move still unguardable 

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Truly, the reason no one else has really done it is due to the fact that they do not have the same dimensions and athleticism as Kareem. So, it more than likely would not be a "Skyhook". But, if you want to study the move and try to emulate, it is fantastic in post situations. It gives you great separation from defenders with your body and if you can indeed get the bend on your body that Kareem did, plus the necessary elevation, than go for it. Of course, I would practice it before using it in a game. I think that the reason no one really does the "Skyhook", is that simply is not something they could emulate with success, not to mention they are not graceful and 7’2. So, I would say, definitely work on your hook shot, but I think a "Skyhook" seems to be Kareem exclusive (I know Magic Johnson did a nice hook shot through the lane that looked like a "Skyhook", but I again, think their is a reason no one has mastered the move, much like Hakeem’s patented "Dream Shake").

 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

 Don’t bother with the Skyhook. There is a reason why people don’t use it, it is too hard and the payoff when you get good at it isn’t worth it. Start with what the skyhook is, it is a running jumping hook shot that you are taking from 5 to 10 feet from the basket. Should you really ever be shooting that shot? A baby hook is worth it. Sure take those within 5 feet of the hoop. Every big man should have that shot. But to shoot it from farther out? No. There is no reason to do that. Back your guy down and get closer to the basket. Learn to drible and attack the rim like that. Kick it out and repost for deeper position. Kareem was so skinny and so tall (with high center of gravity) that he couldn’t back down players very easily. So he developed a shot that he could shoot from the post as he got pushed out. It took him decades to really develop it (he had the same problem as a kid, tallest guy around but he couldn’t dribble or overpower stronger shorter guys, this shot started when he was young). You don’t have that kind of time unless you are going to become a professional basketball player. 

If you want a tough post move to get over a tall defender, just use the fadeaway jumper. You should be able to get it off against most people and shooting with two hands you will make a higher percentage from 10 feet than you will with a running hook shot.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 jordans fadeaway, jordans fadeaway, and jordans fadeaway

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

 Currently it has to be Melo’s jab step pullup J. He can get that shot anytime he wants and there’s nothing you can do.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

LeBron’s dribble drive is tough to stop too. Even with the offensive holes in his game, he could basically lead the league in scoring every year if he wanted to.

[NJHooper95Participant]

The move so nice that the league banned it, because MJ said it was a carry and unguardable!!!!

[iminipandaParticipant]

 Unguardable. If im going to take a shot thats unguardable its going to be a MANUTE BOL slingshot three. Name someone who can guard that.

[iguapops420Participant]

 Disagree Indiana, he doesn’t have enough breakdown ability with his dribble moves to make up for his mildly diminished first step. Stevenson/Kidd/Marion proved this year what Pietrus proved a few years back, that if you just back off LBJ and allow his jumper to go cold(more often than not it will), he will ultimately be stopped. It’s almost like he forgets that he’s at his best driving the lane creating for shooters and drawing fouls.

So I guess you are right that he could easily lead the league in scoring every year, but come playoff time, tht stuff don’t work. IMO, that’s why it’s not unstoppable. At least not like the rest of this stuff. Kobe has far more moves that are unstoppable than LBJ’s dribble drive. 

[iguapops420Participant]

 I’m with @dsrepresenta, Jamaal Crawford’s double behind the back layup is one of the most unstoppable moves I’ve seen. his finishing ability is what holds him back. reminds me of Tierre Brown, who was able to do whatever he wanted on the court but was just completely unable to finish AT ALL.

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