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- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 4:59am #62877

high floorParticipantI like Mike Conley. He’s been the starting PG for a team that’s consistently won 50+ games and made it past the first round in a brutal WC the past 5-6 years. He’s a guy who hasn’t demanded the spotlight, plays good defense, can shoot from the outside, and has pretty good size at 6’2 with a 6’8 wingspan. I think his current contract that paid him $8 million per year was excellent value for his production and leadership.
Now.. with all that being said I wouldn’t want to be the team that gets caught up in a bidding war for his services this upcoming offseason. He’ll be turning 29 in October, and there are rumors that he’ll be commanding an annual salary of $23-$25 million per season , not disimilar to Damian Lillards agreement. Thus far he’s been linked to the Knicks, Nets, Magic, and of course the Grizz for next year.
I like Conley, for sure. But he hasn’t shown that he can carry an offense or facilitate at an elite top 5 level to justify that type of pay. If I’m a suitor I’d be much more inclined to offer something in the $15-$17 million per year range, and if that doesn’t get it done… walk away happy knowing you didn’t overpay and get stuck with a nasty contract in his age 32 and 33 season.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:25am #1044522
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantWith the salary cap set to jump the way it is and the demand for quality pgs higher than ever, somebody will offer him a max deal or very close to it. Whether he is worth it or not is up for debate but this just happens to be a wonderful time to be a free agent.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:25am #1044658
Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipantWith the salary cap set to jump the way it is and the demand for quality pgs higher than ever, somebody will offer him a max deal or very close to it. Whether he is worth it or not is up for debate but this just happens to be a wonderful time to be a free agent.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:30am #1044524

ZouldiersParticipantHmm, I always see him as one of the more underrated guys out there and he has been always overlooked due to a stacked talent at his position. He has always performed at an elite level and is one of the more complete PG’s out there. 15-17M would be a bargain for a team that pays him that much because his play will more than exceed what they pay for. He would have made a couple of all-star games if he was in the East but he is stuck in the deep West so yeah. With that being said, His minimum will be around 18-20M due to cap rise.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 6:11am #1044532
ballislyfe25ParticipantAgreed, he is definitely underrated. He spends most of his time facilitating in the half court to Gasol and ZBo and if he had more freedom his numbers would likely be better. I don’t think the Grizzlies system limits him either, the team just plays to their strengths and obviously that has been the bigs in the middle, and Conley is a large part of getting them good looks. I just think if he were given the freedom of some of the other top PGs, he could be close to 20-10. Great ballhandler/facilitator and really an underrated shooter. Also, he is basically ambidexterous.
Every team without stability at the point should be reaching out. Teams like Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. I know both NY teams will be vying for him but I doubt he comes. My guess is he signs on to stay with Gasol and the Grizzlies and finish out their primes together.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 6:11am #1044668
ballislyfe25ParticipantAgreed, he is definitely underrated. He spends most of his time facilitating in the half court to Gasol and ZBo and if he had more freedom his numbers would likely be better. I don’t think the Grizzlies system limits him either, the team just plays to their strengths and obviously that has been the bigs in the middle, and Conley is a large part of getting them good looks. I just think if he were given the freedom of some of the other top PGs, he could be close to 20-10. Great ballhandler/facilitator and really an underrated shooter. Also, he is basically ambidexterous.
Every team without stability at the point should be reaching out. Teams like Atlanta, Indiana, Minnesota, etc. I know both NY teams will be vying for him but I doubt he comes. My guess is he signs on to stay with Gasol and the Grizzlies and finish out their primes together.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:30am #1044660

ZouldiersParticipantHmm, I always see him as one of the more underrated guys out there and he has been always overlooked due to a stacked talent at his position. He has always performed at an elite level and is one of the more complete PG’s out there. 15-17M would be a bargain for a team that pays him that much because his play will more than exceed what they pay for. He would have made a couple of all-star games if he was in the East but he is stuck in the deep West so yeah. With that being said, His minimum will be around 18-20M due to cap rise.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:34am #1044528

Mr. HookShotParticipantFirst of all, there are very few options for teams looking for a starting PG in free agency next off-season:
– Rondo (UFA): Inconsistent, Rondo has a nice season for the Kings. However, he can’t shoot from the outside, is very ball dominant and there remain questions about his (work) attitude. There might be some team willing to gamble on good-Rondo by offering him a long-term contract, but I wouldn’t want to make t
– Clarkson (RFA): Younger, more athletic, but there are multiple questions: is he a PG? Is he a starting PG? Will he improve enough to become an above-average PG?). Combining this with the fact he is restricted results in a limited market for Clarkson.
Other options: Deron Williams, Brandon Jennings, Jeremy Lin
Looking at this list, I can see there will be teams offering Conley a very rich contract, as he has shown to function well within a good team, both on offense and defense. He is better than Dragic when he signed for $85 million / 5 years. With the rising cap space, I can see a team offering Conley at least $20 over 5 years, and even a max contract (starting with $25 million a year) is not out of the question. Not saying I would like such a contract, but I can actually see a team overpaying to get a stable presence at the PG.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 5:34am #1044664

Mr. HookShotParticipantFirst of all, there are very few options for teams looking for a starting PG in free agency next off-season:
– Rondo (UFA): Inconsistent, Rondo has a nice season for the Kings. However, he can’t shoot from the outside, is very ball dominant and there remain questions about his (work) attitude. There might be some team willing to gamble on good-Rondo by offering him a long-term contract, but I wouldn’t want to make t
– Clarkson (RFA): Younger, more athletic, but there are multiple questions: is he a PG? Is he a starting PG? Will he improve enough to become an above-average PG?). Combining this with the fact he is restricted results in a limited market for Clarkson.
Other options: Deron Williams, Brandon Jennings, Jeremy Lin
Looking at this list, I can see there will be teams offering Conley a very rich contract, as he has shown to function well within a good team, both on offense and defense. He is better than Dragic when he signed for $85 million / 5 years. With the rising cap space, I can see a team offering Conley at least $20 over 5 years, and even a max contract (starting with $25 million a year) is not out of the question. Not saying I would like such a contract, but I can actually see a team overpaying to get a stable presence at the PG.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 7:16am #1044538

Chilbert arenasParticipantDoes anyone else hope Conley signs with the Spurs this offseason? He seems to be the perfect replacement for Parker though I don’t see Parker retiring just yet since he’s only going to be 34 by seasons end.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:07am #1044552

high floorParticipantConley, Danny Green, and Kawhi Leonard would likely be the best defensive trio in the league for several years. Bring in Tony Parker to spell Conley off the bench and they’d murder the opposition’s second unit. Not to mention their ridiculous efficiency. For context, the 3 of them combined only turn the ball over a combined 4.1 times per game this year.
That’s less than James Harden, Russell Westbrook & John Wall by themselves.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:07am #1044688

high floorParticipantConley, Danny Green, and Kawhi Leonard would likely be the best defensive trio in the league for several years. Bring in Tony Parker to spell Conley off the bench and they’d murder the opposition’s second unit. Not to mention their ridiculous efficiency. For context, the 3 of them combined only turn the ball over a combined 4.1 times per game this year.
That’s less than James Harden, Russell Westbrook & John Wall by themselves.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 7:16am #1044674

Chilbert arenasParticipantDoes anyone else hope Conley signs with the Spurs this offseason? He seems to be the perfect replacement for Parker though I don’t see Parker retiring just yet since he’s only going to be 34 by seasons end.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 8:10am #1044540
Memphis MadnessParticipantI would trade Mike Conley to the Kings for Rajon Rondo and the 10th pick.
Cousins, Rudy, and Conley might be a better big 3 for the Kings.
Rondo is a little tougher and a better rebounder, plus a more inventive passer even if he can’t shoot. We could DEFINITELY use the 10th pick, though.
If I were us I would also throw in a filler guy like Jarrell Martin or Vince Carter, and a 2nd round pick or two.
0- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:27am #1044556

BlueLacesParticipantExcept that both are free agents this summer. I don’t see Mike Conley wanting to go to the mess that is the Kings when he can choose pretty much any team and situation he wants.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:27am #1044692

BlueLacesParticipantExcept that both are free agents this summer. I don’t see Mike Conley wanting to go to the mess that is the Kings when he can choose pretty much any team and situation he wants.
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- Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 8:10am #1044676
Memphis MadnessParticipantI would trade Mike Conley to the Kings for Rajon Rondo and the 10th pick.
Cousins, Rudy, and Conley might be a better big 3 for the Kings.
Rondo is a little tougher and a better rebounder, plus a more inventive passer even if he can’t shoot. We could DEFINITELY use the 10th pick, though.
If I were us I would also throw in a filler guy like Jarrell Martin or Vince Carter, and a 2nd round pick or two.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 8:22am #1044542

Chilbert arenasParticipantI like that idea aside from the fact that the Grizzlies go from a bad three point shooting team to God awful in an era where the three is as valuable as ever.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 8:22am #1044678

Chilbert arenasParticipantI like that idea aside from the fact that the Grizzlies go from a bad three point shooting team to God awful in an era where the three is as valuable as ever.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:06am #1044550
phila9012ParticipantI think he is getting a max, there are too many teams have a ton of money. He is a smaller guard who relies on his quickness so a three year max contract would be a solid deal. If it is 5 years, there is potential for his contract to turn into a deron williams type contract where he is over paid by 10 or 15 million for each of the last 2 years.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:06am #1044686
phila9012ParticipantI think he is getting a max, there are too many teams have a ton of money. He is a smaller guard who relies on his quickness so a three year max contract would be a solid deal. If it is 5 years, there is potential for his contract to turn into a deron williams type contract where he is over paid by 10 or 15 million for each of the last 2 years.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:27am #1044554
Memphis MadnessParticipantWith Rondo and Lance in the back court we would have tons of length and toughness. Plus passing, and driving. We would DEFINITELY need some outside shooting Chilbert.
We have Matt Barnes and PJ Hairston. Barnes isn’t a volume guy. Neither is Hairston.
I would STILL like to see Marc Gasol take more 3’s. Hopefully he does when he comes back next year.
If we get the Kings pick at 10, obviously, we would hope one of the top guys falls — a Buddy Hield could be our scorer/shooter either as a third guard or a 6th man off the bench. Same with Jamal Murray.
I would ALSO like Domantas Sabonis. He could play inside with anybody we have — Marc, Zach, or our bench bigs like Brandan Wright and Birdman. Also a 3 point shooter. So, maybe we get tons of penetration from our backcourt then we have two bigs who can shoot at the 4 and 5 spots (Sabonis) and then Marc or Zach (Zach used to jack up 3’s back in the day).
At our other pick (assuming we make the playoffs) we could go with Wayne Selden who is a really solid shooting guard. If we get him, then we can have him as our 6th man shooter, along with a guy who we can use in 3 guard sets (Rondo, Stephenson, Selden).
Then you gotta sign a 3 and D small forward for the MLE. Even just a deep rotation guy. We need a guy in that role. Or, just a 3 point sniper. Maybe we bring back Mike Miller for a third go around.
A team of Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Mario Chalmers, Wayne Selden, Jordan Adams, Matt Barnes, PJ Hairston, Vince Carter, Mike Miller, Zach Randolph, Domantas Sabonis, JaMychal Green, Marc Gasol, Brandan Wright, and Birdman sounds pretty good to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 9:27am #1044690
Memphis MadnessParticipantWith Rondo and Lance in the back court we would have tons of length and toughness. Plus passing, and driving. We would DEFINITELY need some outside shooting Chilbert.
We have Matt Barnes and PJ Hairston. Barnes isn’t a volume guy. Neither is Hairston.
I would STILL like to see Marc Gasol take more 3’s. Hopefully he does when he comes back next year.
If we get the Kings pick at 10, obviously, we would hope one of the top guys falls — a Buddy Hield could be our scorer/shooter either as a third guard or a 6th man off the bench. Same with Jamal Murray.
I would ALSO like Domantas Sabonis. He could play inside with anybody we have — Marc, Zach, or our bench bigs like Brandan Wright and Birdman. Also a 3 point shooter. So, maybe we get tons of penetration from our backcourt then we have two bigs who can shoot at the 4 and 5 spots (Sabonis) and then Marc or Zach (Zach used to jack up 3’s back in the day).
At our other pick (assuming we make the playoffs) we could go with Wayne Selden who is a really solid shooting guard. If we get him, then we can have him as our 6th man shooter, along with a guy who we can use in 3 guard sets (Rondo, Stephenson, Selden).
Then you gotta sign a 3 and D small forward for the MLE. Even just a deep rotation guy. We need a guy in that role. Or, just a 3 point sniper. Maybe we bring back Mike Miller for a third go around.
A team of Rondo, Lance Stephenson, Mario Chalmers, Wayne Selden, Jordan Adams, Matt Barnes, PJ Hairston, Vince Carter, Mike Miller, Zach Randolph, Domantas Sabonis, JaMychal Green, Marc Gasol, Brandan Wright, and Birdman sounds pretty good to me.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 10:20am #1044562
mamadouParticipantI see Conley to the Lakers, they badly need a PG, a vet, and a defender in the backcourt.
Best part of Conley’s game today is probably the fact that he has the best assist/TO ratio in the league, known as the CP3 criteria.
I don’t see the 20-10 guy in a free flow offense, but definitly a 17-7, 18-6 solid 2 way PG.
Let Russell be the SG facilitator he is, Conley the 2 way "scoring" PG and Clarkson the 6th men combo guard instant offense.
@Memphis, what you’re talking about, that conditionnal kings pick is for the bulls(kings should keep it exactly at 10, maybe 9).
That sounds pretty bad to me, plus the nuggets will have your juicy 1st rounder next season…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 10:20am #1044698
mamadouParticipantI see Conley to the Lakers, they badly need a PG, a vet, and a defender in the backcourt.
Best part of Conley’s game today is probably the fact that he has the best assist/TO ratio in the league, known as the CP3 criteria.
I don’t see the 20-10 guy in a free flow offense, but definitly a 17-7, 18-6 solid 2 way PG.
Let Russell be the SG facilitator he is, Conley the 2 way "scoring" PG and Clarkson the 6th men combo guard instant offense.
@Memphis, what you’re talking about, that conditionnal kings pick is for the bulls(kings should keep it exactly at 10, maybe 9).
That sounds pretty bad to me, plus the nuggets will have your juicy 1st rounder next season…
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 2:26pm #1044574
BigChamp12ParticipantI think Conley can be a good fit in Houson if they still plan to keep James and Dwight. With a savvy veteran pg like Conley, that team can be a Contender again.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 2:26pm #1044710
BigChamp12ParticipantI think Conley can be a good fit in Houson if they still plan to keep James and Dwight. With a savvy veteran pg like Conley, that team can be a Contender again.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 3:13pm #1044578

r377ParticipantI can see Nets, Knicks, Kings throwing offers his way.
Orlando, Milwaukee, Indiana could be options if he wants to play for a competitive team in the future….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 3:13pm #1044714

r377ParticipantI can see Nets, Knicks, Kings throwing offers his way.
Orlando, Milwaukee, Indiana could be options if he wants to play for a competitive team in the future….
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 11:27pm #1044748

ExumInfernoParticipantEverybody gets MAX, even though only Durant and LeBron deserve it.
Ten, fifteen players will get MAX, Conley will be one of them.
Memphis can’t afford to lose him, so they will pay whatever is needed, unless they decide to trade Gasol and start over.
0 - Posted on: Wed, 02/24/2016 - 11:27pm #1044612

ExumInfernoParticipantEverybody gets MAX, even though only Durant and LeBron deserve it.
Ten, fifteen players will get MAX, Conley will be one of them.
Memphis can’t afford to lose him, so they will pay whatever is needed, unless they decide to trade Gasol and start over.
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