MARCUS LEE IS AWFUL at basketball, great person though

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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:28pm #63125

GoJOSH HUESTIS
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the kid is a great athlete but I swear he must not do anything besides play 2k during the offseason because his offensive game is the exact same as it was during his H.S days. He misses easy contested lay ups and fouls anything moving. Thomas Bryant destroyed him tonight as a freshman (normal when Lee is guarding you). His basketball IQ is no different than his freshman year smh. And this is the same kid Ian Powera said was on the same level as Jabari Parker and Julius Randle a couple years ago. He tried to use the excuse that UK doesn’t run a play for him but if you watch the games any time he gets the ball, unless it’s a alley, he either misses a bunny or turns it over via walking, dribbling off his foot.

If he doesn’t transfer he’s going to see major bench time next season if Bolden commits since he will be behind Willis, Bam, Bolden, SKJ and Gabriel when he plays in the post. Hell Humpries and Wynard might pass him since freshmen tend to make a jump skill wise going into their sophomore year
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:40pm #1048864

llperez
is he even considered a solid nba prospect? Do the draft sites currently have him getting drafted? He looks like a typical 4 year college player who might get drafted in second round and have to earn his way into nba. Unless people are saying differently, why even make a thread to call him out?
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:48pm #1048868
  
  negguary
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  Uh because it’s a basketball forum…..HAHAHA
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:48pm #1048998
  
  negguary
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  Uh because it’s a basketball forum…..HAHAHA
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:40pm #1048994

llperez
is he even considered a solid nba prospect? Do the draft sites currently have him getting drafted? He looks like a typical 4 year college player who might get drafted in second round and have to earn his way into nba. Unless people are saying differently, why even make a thread to call him out?
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:53pm #1048870

doubledribbler
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Sadly, I have to agree with you. He is pretty ineffective unless he’s grabbing a putback. You would think with his athleticism that he would be able to have a greater impact on the games, but he doesn’t. With that said, does anyone ever seem to improve under Cal? The guys that have to stay like Lee, Hawkins, and Poythress have gotten worse. The guys that come in for one year always seem to be under utilized like Towns and Booker last year. I could only imagine what that team could do on top of their success if the guys that had to stay were developing instead of always relying so much on Freshmen to come in and save the day.
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:58pm #1048872
  
  negguary
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  that’s due to the fact that cal really can’t coach! He’s a great recruiter, but in regards to coaching and plater development he’s no good! He purely relies on the talent of his players and the disparity between the talent he has as opposed to the opposing team. How many number 1 recruiting classes to only one national championship! This year is a reflection of that when his team doesn’t have two times as much talent as the rest of college basketball they struggle. Whereas when his teams are stacked with talent he does nothing but win.
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:58pm #1049003
  
  negguary
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  that’s due to the fact that cal really can’t coach! He’s a great recruiter, but in regards to coaching and plater development he’s no good! He purely relies on the talent of his players and the disparity between the talent he has as opposed to the opposing team. How many number 1 recruiting classes to only one national championship! This year is a reflection of that when his team doesn’t have two times as much talent as the rest of college basketball they struggle. Whereas when his teams are stacked with talent he does nothing but win.
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:13pm #1048876
  
  GBee
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  No, players don’t really improve under Cal. I personally don’t think he does a good job at skill building, teaching fundamentals or getting his players to do the small things (like for bigs: proper screen setting, boxing out, positioning, off ball movement, etc.)
  Cal teaches talent ball and uses a stripped down, generic system that for the most part uses all the bigs the same way with very few exceptions (D.Cousins). He basically coaches athletic bigs to be… athletic garbagemen.
  Unfortunately HS kids don’t see this and only see uber talented blue chip players getting drafted as such despite the fact that they’d be drafted highly regardless of where they went. Cal is the master salesman , who’s more of a baseball manager (managing egos, delegating roles) than a teacher. If a kid isn’t a surefire one and doner who can’t take advantage of the UK hype, there are plenty, better coaches to teach and help them improve their games.
  
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  - Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:47pm #1048878
    
    ph90702
    The coach who gets no credit for player development is Mark Few. Kyle Wiltjer has gotten exponentially better there.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:47pm #1049009
    
    ph90702
    The coach who gets no credit for player development is Mark Few. Kyle Wiltjer has gotten exponentially better there.
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:13pm #1049007
  
  GBee
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  No, players don’t really improve under Cal. I personally don’t think he does a good job at skill building, teaching fundamentals or getting his players to do the small things (like for bigs: proper screen setting, boxing out, positioning, off ball movement, etc.)
  Cal teaches talent ball and uses a stripped down, generic system that for the most part uses all the bigs the same way with very few exceptions (D.Cousins). He basically coaches athletic bigs to be… athletic garbagemen.
  Unfortunately HS kids don’t see this and only see uber talented blue chip players getting drafted as such despite the fact that they’d be drafted highly regardless of where they went. Cal is the master salesman , who’s more of a baseball manager (managing egos, delegating roles) than a teacher. If a kid isn’t a surefire one and doner who can’t take advantage of the UK hype, there are plenty, better coaches to teach and help them improve their games.
  
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 9:38pm #1048912
  
  Mopgrass
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  I don’t get what happened to Alex Poythress. He came into college with a full head of steam. He liked to drive, shoot outside, make plays, and aggressively dunk. His handles got him in a little trouble freshman year after a few games in and that was it for Poythress. In 4 years they never really gave him a chance to be that player.
  Cal turned Poythress into a defensive hustle and alley-oop guy. That’s it. The guy never improved in 4 years. He never shot enough from outside to have a meaningful percentage, but he shot 30% from 3 and 70% from the line. That’s not embarrassing shooting.
  I really do think Poythress could have been more than a specialist: a tole he seems happy with. But I always wondered what he’d have been on a team that needed some of the versatility he came in with. I even think he lost the will to be the player he came in wanting to be. How did he not improve in 4 years? I am more disappointed in him than any other player in college and I think it’s because of the Kentucky recruiting machine’s overload of talent.
  
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- Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 9:38pm #1049042
  
  Mopgrass
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  I don’t get what happened to Alex Poythress. He came into college with a full head of steam. He liked to drive, shoot outside, make plays, and aggressively dunk. His handles got him in a little trouble freshman year after a few games in and that was it for Poythress. In 4 years they never really gave him a chance to be that player.
  Cal turned Poythress into a defensive hustle and alley-oop guy. That’s it. The guy never improved in 4 years. He never shot enough from outside to have a meaningful percentage, but he shot 30% from 3 and 70% from the line. That’s not embarrassing shooting.
  I really do think Poythress could have been more than a specialist: a tole he seems happy with. But I always wondered what he’d have been on a team that needed some of the versatility he came in with. I even think he lost the will to be the player he came in wanting to be. How did he not improve in 4 years? I am more disappointed in him than any other player in college and I think it’s because of the Kentucky recruiting machine’s overload of talent.
  
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 3:53pm #1049000

doubledribbler
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Sadly, I have to agree with you. He is pretty ineffective unless he’s grabbing a putback. You would think with his athleticism that he would be able to have a greater impact on the games, but he doesn’t. With that said, does anyone ever seem to improve under Cal? The guys that have to stay like Lee, Hawkins, and Poythress have gotten worse. The guys that come in for one year always seem to be under utilized like Towns and Booker last year. I could only imagine what that team could do on top of their success if the guys that had to stay were developing instead of always relying so much on Freshmen to come in and save the day.
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:50pm #1048880

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I think the assessment that Cal doesn’t develop players is pretty spot on. Guys come in as top 5 recruits ready to play. He gets the cream of the crop every year and is probably the best at getting guys to come in and play as a team and play for each other. In terms of actually developing his players, he’s pretty terrible atdoing that. Fact of the matter is he hasn’t had to develop anybody because 90 percent of his players leave after one year. Did Alex Poythress get better? Not really. Marcus Lee is pretty much a bum. Don’t even get me started on Skal this year. It seems like if he doesn’t get guys coming in who are immediately ready to contribute at the college level, which he obviously gets a ton of, they don’t develop during the year. Skal will almost certainly go pro after a horrific freshman year. Did Cal Coach him, push him, ride him, have his coaches work with him extra hours to get better throughout the course of the year??? I don’t know. Cal is what he is and will continue to churn out NBA guys who will use Lexington as a pit stop for the NBA. Who knows how long he will stay in college and if he wants another go at the NBA but he will have teams with a ton of talent make final four runs and then he’ll have teams like this year. But now way should he ever be considered a great COACH.
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 4:50pm #1049011

TarHeelRaven
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I think the assessment that Cal doesn’t develop players is pretty spot on. Guys come in as top 5 recruits ready to play. He gets the cream of the crop every year and is probably the best at getting guys to come in and play as a team and play for each other. In terms of actually developing his players, he’s pretty terrible atdoing that. Fact of the matter is he hasn’t had to develop anybody because 90 percent of his players leave after one year. Did Alex Poythress get better? Not really. Marcus Lee is pretty much a bum. Don’t even get me started on Skal this year. It seems like if he doesn’t get guys coming in who are immediately ready to contribute at the college level, which he obviously gets a ton of, they don’t develop during the year. Skal will almost certainly go pro after a horrific freshman year. Did Cal Coach him, push him, ride him, have his coaches work with him extra hours to get better throughout the course of the year??? I don’t know. Cal is what he is and will continue to churn out NBA guys who will use Lexington as a pit stop for the NBA. Who knows how long he will stay in college and if he wants another go at the NBA but he will have teams with a ton of talent make final four runs and then he’ll have teams like this year. But now way should he ever be considered a great COACH.
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 5:05pm #1048884

GoJOSH HUESTIS
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If you ask anyone who has played college basketball they will tell you that you get better as a player individually during the summer not during the season. The coaches only have a certain amount of time for practice so they work on team things. During the offseason is when players get better. As far as Cal, those who don’t like him pick and choose the players they use as an example or like Skip Bayless "tell half truths.
Darius Miller was never considered a NBA player but he ended up being one after his St year
Patrick Paterson never had a jumper before Cal got there. Josh Harrellson was damn near a walk on in his freshmen year but ended up getting a couple cups of coffee in the NBA Eric Bledsoe not Booker was consider d a one and done before getting to UK, Ulis was considered a four year player and then thought to have a career in Europe.
Also those who say Cal can’t really coach must be young because they don’t seem to remember he didn’t get a bunch of AA while at Memphis nor while at UMASS or the fact that KU has gotten OAD guys but haven’t had the same team success. The way I know if a guy can coach is what their peers say and they all say it’s not easy at all to get a bunch of talented H.S players to play together as a team. Also those same detractors must think coach K is a bad coach as well since he gets McDonald’s All
americans (more than any other college not named UNC by double and triple in some cases) and his burger. IU’s tend to stay for four years meaning he has more talent than any other team year in and year out AND they are older and developed.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 9:08am #1049121
  
  doubledribbler
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  Believe it or not, you can actually improve during a season. It’s easier to do in college because you get lots of practice time. For years people have been saying that one of the advantages of going to UK is because you are going to improve by going against pro players everyday. Also, surely you are not saying that none of these guys work to get better in the offseason.
  Darius Miller rode in on the same hype train as Orton, Teague and others. GMs are going to give a lot of the UK guys the benefit of the doubt because they know how stacked these teams are. They consider the possibility of their being a guy that would shine if he played at another program. Staying in the NBA is more impressive than a short stint or two never getting to play.
  You don’t have to be a great coach to get these teams to the tournament. Your middle school gym teacher could have drawn names out of a hat to determine the rotation and made it. The one year Calipari won was the year that he had a couple of guys that had to stay because of the lockout and he ends up with a once in a lifetime player that never would have went to college if not for ridiculous rules. He should be thanking the NBA for the gifts.
  The ONLY knock on Ulis is his height. He was UK’s best pg last year and one of the best in the country. The numbers he put up this year had a lot to do with actually getting more touches and time on the court. People say Lee has a terrible IQ and I agree, but any decent coach can do a lot with that type of athlete regardless of other limitations. There are other teams starting guys similiar, but with less athleticism that they make usable and Lee is coming off the bench for them.
  
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 9:08am #1048991
  
  doubledribbler
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  Believe it or not, you can actually improve during a season. It’s easier to do in college because you get lots of practice time. For years people have been saying that one of the advantages of going to UK is because you are going to improve by going against pro players everyday. Also, surely you are not saying that none of these guys work to get better in the offseason.
  Darius Miller rode in on the same hype train as Orton, Teague and others. GMs are going to give a lot of the UK guys the benefit of the doubt because they know how stacked these teams are. They consider the possibility of their being a guy that would shine if he played at another program. Staying in the NBA is more impressive than a short stint or two never getting to play.
  You don’t have to be a great coach to get these teams to the tournament. Your middle school gym teacher could have drawn names out of a hat to determine the rotation and made it. The one year Calipari won was the year that he had a couple of guys that had to stay because of the lockout and he ends up with a once in a lifetime player that never would have went to college if not for ridiculous rules. He should be thanking the NBA for the gifts.
  The ONLY knock on Ulis is his height. He was UK’s best pg last year and one of the best in the country. The numbers he put up this year had a lot to do with actually getting more touches and time on the court. People say Lee has a terrible IQ and I agree, but any decent coach can do a lot with that type of athlete regardless of other limitations. There are other teams starting guys similiar, but with less athleticism that they make usable and Lee is coming off the bench for them.
  
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 5:05pm #1049014

GoJOSH HUESTIS
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If you ask anyone who has played college basketball they will tell you that you get better as a player individually during the summer not during the season. The coaches only have a certain amount of time for practice so they work on team things. During the offseason is when players get better. As far as Cal, those who don’t like him pick and choose the players they use as an example or like Skip Bayless "tell half truths.
Darius Miller was never considered a NBA player but he ended up being one after his St year
Patrick Paterson never had a jumper before Cal got there. Josh Harrellson was damn near a walk on in his freshmen year but ended up getting a couple cups of coffee in the NBA Eric Bledsoe not Booker was consider d a one and done before getting to UK, Ulis was considered a four year player and then thought to have a career in Europe.
Also those who say Cal can’t really coach must be young because they don’t seem to remember he didn’t get a bunch of AA while at Memphis nor while at UMASS or the fact that KU has gotten OAD guys but haven’t had the same team success. The way I know if a guy can coach is what their peers say and they all say it’s not easy at all to get a bunch of talented H.S players to play together as a team. Also those same detractors must think coach K is a bad coach as well since he gets McDonald’s All
americans (more than any other college not named UNC by double and triple in some cases) and his burger. IU’s tend to stay for four years meaning he has more talent than any other team year in and year out AND they are older and developed.
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 5:14pm #1048886

Hype Machine
Given how bad Lee, Labissiere and Poythress have been…why not give Isaac Humphries some burn?
Cal feels more obligated to give his draftees minutes for the upcoming draft than he does to win the game.
Ive seen Humpty Hump come in for 5-10 minutes several times this season and electrify the Wildcats with his defense and rebounding.

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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 5:14pm #1049016

Hype Machine
Given how bad Lee, Labissiere and Poythress have been…why not give Isaac Humphries some burn?
Cal feels more obligated to give his draftees minutes for the upcoming draft than he does to win the game.
Ive seen Humpty Hump come in for 5-10 minutes several times this season and electrify the Wildcats with his defense and rebounding.

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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 10:25pm #1048916

warson24
Marcus Lee was always just an athlete. Low basketball IQ, no skills. He was overhyped because his athletic abilities.
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 10:54am #1049127
  
  GoJOSH HUESTIS
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  This right here. Only IAN POWERS thought he was super skilled with a jumper and some handles but in reality he was just a long athlete
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 10:54am #1048997
  
  GoJOSH HUESTIS
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  This right here. Only IAN POWERS thought he was super skilled with a jumper and some handles but in reality he was just a long athlete
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 8:49pm #1049207
    
    ipowers
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    Hey man, if you’re going to try to call somebody out, be accurate in what you say. I never once said he was super skilled. I said his skill level was better than he got credit for. Never said he had a jumper, I said his jumper wasn’t broken and he just needed reps. He came into high school as a 6’2" guard and he can put the ball on the floor for 2 dribbles and get to the rim. If you watched the Michigan game in the Elite 8 a couple of years ago, he scored a bucket doing exactly that. He has always been a great passer and has a high IQ. His post game suffers because he’s not strong enough to hold his position or back anybody down to get to where he needs to get to and score. You know how women will exaggerate what somebody says? I think they call that gossip. You couldn’t wait to get on a message board and try to call me out and the sad part about it is that everything you claim I said is a lie. You can’t find nothing in print where I said anything that you say I said. His appeal was always his UPSIDE. Upisde means that you haven’t arrived yet genius. Kentucky was the wrong school for him and I always thought that. He needed entirely too much coaching and nurturing and Kentucky is not the place for that. Cal will move on if you don’t pick things up at the pace he needs you to. Had there been any other options in their frontcourt this year, Marcus would not have played as much as he did this year. Cal didn’t recruit him with developing him in mind. He doesn’t have time to develop kids because they’re not there long enough. Karl Towns could always play down on the box. Anthony Davis could always face up and shoot the ball. You have to be almost a finished product for you to be able to play and succeed at a school like Kentucky and while Marcus had great upside, he was far from a finished product. Are you stupid enough to think I would say that he could do all of these things if I hadn’t seen him do it man? Lol. I mean really? Did my eyes make it all up or are you just a clown? I’ll take the latter as the answer
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 8:49pm #1049076
    
    ipowers
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    Hey man, if you’re going to try to call somebody out, be accurate in what you say. I never once said he was super skilled. I said his skill level was better than he got credit for. Never said he had a jumper, I said his jumper wasn’t broken and he just needed reps. He came into high school as a 6’2" guard and he can put the ball on the floor for 2 dribbles and get to the rim. If you watched the Michigan game in the Elite 8 a couple of years ago, he scored a bucket doing exactly that. He has always been a great passer and has a high IQ. His post game suffers because he’s not strong enough to hold his position or back anybody down to get to where he needs to get to and score. You know how women will exaggerate what somebody says? I think they call that gossip. You couldn’t wait to get on a message board and try to call me out and the sad part about it is that everything you claim I said is a lie. You can’t find nothing in print where I said anything that you say I said. His appeal was always his UPSIDE. Upisde means that you haven’t arrived yet genius. Kentucky was the wrong school for him and I always thought that. He needed entirely too much coaching and nurturing and Kentucky is not the place for that. Cal will move on if you don’t pick things up at the pace he needs you to. Had there been any other options in their frontcourt this year, Marcus would not have played as much as he did this year. Cal didn’t recruit him with developing him in mind. He doesn’t have time to develop kids because they’re not there long enough. Karl Towns could always play down on the box. Anthony Davis could always face up and shoot the ball. You have to be almost a finished product for you to be able to play and succeed at a school like Kentucky and while Marcus had great upside, he was far from a finished product. Are you stupid enough to think I would say that he could do all of these things if I hadn’t seen him do it man? Lol. I mean really? Did my eyes make it all up or are you just a clown? I’ll take the latter as the answer
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Posted on: Sat, 03/19/2016 - 10:25pm #1049047

warson24
Marcus Lee was always just an athlete. Low basketball IQ, no skills. He was overhyped because his athletic abilities.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 5:57am #1048944

Kokayne_Dawkinz
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Coach Cal got towns to play in the post and to play physical, coach cal challenged Patrick Patterson to come back to UK for his Junior season when he wanted to enter the draft so that he can work on his 3 point shit and it’s helped him. Even Kenny Payne has helped Skal become a actual somewhat useful player towards the end of the season for UK. And this year you can see how much a guy like Willis improved defensively and more so overall
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 6:03am #1048950
  
  negguary
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  Is that a result of cal’s plater development , or merely the fact that they are a year older than the incoming competition they had to play( ullis, Patterson)? Is towns a result of cal, or did he always had a lie post game, but never utilized it, similar to jahlil with the midrange jumpshot. Like stop giving cal a pass man! He’s Also a documented hater! Hating on Mike and Jim when they coached the olympucs saying they had an unfair advantage in recruiting.
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 10:53am #1049125
    
    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    You can ask that same question to every college coach with a NBA player "did the coach do this or did the player always have it in him"
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  - Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 10:53am #1048995
    
    GoJOSH HUESTIS
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    You can ask that same question to every college coach with a NBA player "did the coach do this or did the player always have it in him"
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    - Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 12:45pm #1049160
      
      negguary
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      thats the NBA where the talent is always good, not college where you can be a senior and can literally be better because you are older!
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    - Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 12:45pm #1049291
      
      negguary
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      thats the NBA where the talent is always good, not college where you can be a senior and can literally be better because you are older!
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 6:03am #1049081
  
  negguary
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  Is that a result of cal’s plater development , or merely the fact that they are a year older than the incoming competition they had to play( ullis, Patterson)? Is towns a result of cal, or did he always had a lie post game, but never utilized it, similar to jahlil with the midrange jumpshot. Like stop giving cal a pass man! He’s Also a documented hater! Hating on Mike and Jim when they coached the olympucs saying they had an unfair advantage in recruiting.
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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 5:57am #1049075

Kokayne_Dawkinz
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Coach Cal got towns to play in the post and to play physical, coach cal challenged Patrick Patterson to come back to UK for his Junior season when he wanted to enter the draft so that he can work on his 3 point shit and it’s helped him. Even Kenny Payne has helped Skal become a actual somewhat useful player towards the end of the season for UK. And this year you can see how much a guy like Willis improved defensively and more so overall
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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 1:16pm #1049149

Illadelph
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Calipari is possibly the best recruiter in college basketball. BUT, that doesn’t take away from his coaching ability. His peers, actual D1 college coaches, for the most part heap praise upon him as a great coach. Not only do players develop at UK, but they get prepared for the NBA lifestyle. Most NBA personnel say that UK players are the most ready for the NBA lifestyle given the 24/7 media cycles at UK, and the pressures of playing at UK.
As for Marcus Lee, he doesn’t have much of a post game, and has no jumper to speak of. I think that his NBA potential is limited because of that. He can still carve a niche for himself defensively, but his lack of offense is going to limit his appeal. If he stays for his senior year, he should focus on his offense.

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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 1:16pm #1049019

Illadelph
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Calipari is possibly the best recruiter in college basketball. BUT, that doesn’t take away from his coaching ability. His peers, actual D1 college coaches, for the most part heap praise upon him as a great coach. Not only do players develop at UK, but they get prepared for the NBA lifestyle. Most NBA personnel say that UK players are the most ready for the NBA lifestyle given the 24/7 media cycles at UK, and the pressures of playing at UK.
As for Marcus Lee, he doesn’t have much of a post game, and has no jumper to speak of. I think that his NBA potential is limited because of that. He can still carve a niche for himself defensively, but his lack of offense is going to limit his appeal. If he stays for his senior year, he should focus on his offense.

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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 3:34pm #1049165

ncballer
Ahhh yes the whole debate on player development and coaching. I do think that overall the players don’t get enough credit for their own development or lack thereof and the coaches get too much credit for the development or lack thereof.
I do think there are certain systems that do not fit certain players skillsets. I also believe that the majority of coaches are compotent enough to identify those kids whose skills will not translate in certain systems and choose to not recruit them.
That being said, I do recognize there are some politics in playing time and stuff of that nature that do seem to dictate the development of some players.
I will share several examples:
-Do most people believe that Grayson Allen was that much worse than Sulaimon and Matt Jones last season?
-Do most people believe that Ullis was a lot worse than Andre Harrison last season?
-Would you take Isaiah Hicks over Kennedy Meeks?
In regards to Marcus Lee, the guy is gifted athletically, like Rasheed Wallace athlete type gifted. Do I believe that Calipari did not do everything in his power to develop him? I don’t believe the coaching staff ever gave up on developing him. I am no Kentucky insider, but I just have to ask the question was it a work ethic problem, or a politics problem? We saw a similar player with similar ability in WCS that got picked in the top 5.
Was Skal getting more PT at the beginning of the season political because he was considered a top 2 pick at the beginning of the year? Or was Skal completely outplaying him in practice? Or were both Skal and Marcus wildcards in practice?
Just so many different scenarios to play out in why he did not develop the way many thought he would. Personally, I believe he would benefit the most transferring somewhere else for his remaining year of eligibility as he was shown this season with a thinner frontline that his playing time will be inconsistent. Hard to get in a rhythm when that is the case. Playing time is going to be at a premium with Gabriel, Humphries, Bam, SKJ, Wynyard and possibly Skal there.

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Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 3:34pm #1049035

ncballer
Ahhh yes the whole debate on player development and coaching. I do think that overall the players don’t get enough credit for their own development or lack thereof and the coaches get too much credit for the development or lack thereof.
I do think there are certain systems that do not fit certain players skillsets. I also believe that the majority of coaches are compotent enough to identify those kids whose skills will not translate in certain systems and choose to not recruit them.
That being said, I do recognize there are some politics in playing time and stuff of that nature that do seem to dictate the development of some players.
I will share several examples:
-Do most people believe that Grayson Allen was that much worse than Sulaimon and Matt Jones last season?
-Do most people believe that Ullis was a lot worse than Andre Harrison last season?
-Would you take Isaiah Hicks over Kennedy Meeks?
In regards to Marcus Lee, the guy is gifted athletically, like Rasheed Wallace athlete type gifted. Do I believe that Calipari did not do everything in his power to develop him? I don’t believe the coaching staff ever gave up on developing him. I am no Kentucky insider, but I just have to ask the question was it a work ethic problem, or a politics problem? We saw a similar player with similar ability in WCS that got picked in the top 5.
Was Skal getting more PT at the beginning of the season political because he was considered a top 2 pick at the beginning of the year? Or was Skal completely outplaying him in practice? Or were both Skal and Marcus wildcards in practice?
Just so many different scenarios to play out in why he did not develop the way many thought he would. Personally, I believe he would benefit the most transferring somewhere else for his remaining year of eligibility as he was shown this season with a thinner frontline that his playing time will be inconsistent. Hard to get in a rhythm when that is the case. Playing time is going to be at a premium with Gabriel, Humphries, Bam, SKJ, Wynyard and possibly Skal there.

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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 8:54pm #1049209
  
  ipowers
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  To answer your question, it was more of a politics issue than anything else because like you said what can Willie do athletically that he can’t? To answer your 2nd question about him and Skal. He was killing Skal in practice everyday according to Kentucky coaches. Mind you I said according to the coaches, becasue this clown Josh Huestis will say I said it, but Skal was a projected top 2 pick. Willie displayed no skill whatsoever and he went in the top 6. He’s a lot stronger than Marcus and is a couple of inches taller but that’s about it
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- Posted on: Sun, 03/20/2016 - 8:54pm #1049078
  
  ipowers
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  To answer your question, it was more of a politics issue than anything else because like you said what can Willie do athletically that he can’t? To answer your 2nd question about him and Skal. He was killing Skal in practice everyday according to Kentucky coaches. Mind you I said according to the coaches, becasue this clown Josh Huestis will say I said it, but Skal was a projected top 2 pick. Willie displayed no skill whatsoever and he went in the top 6. He’s a lot stronger than Marcus and is a couple of inches taller but that’s about it
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  - Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 11:37am #1049150
    
    ncballer
    Interesting. Wish the politic thing would stop. All programs are guilty of it.
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  - Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 11:37am #1049281
    
    ncballer
    Interesting. Wish the politic thing would stop. All programs are guilty of it.
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Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:27am #1049132

Espresso
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Marcus Lee NEVER looked like WCS athletically, ipowers, never.

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- Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:58pm #1049194
  
  ipowers
  Participant
  Willie’s max vert at their combine in 2014 was 37 inches. Marcus Lee’s was 38.5. Willie’s standing vertical was 31 inches. Marcus Lee’s standing vertical was 30.5 inches. Anything else???
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  - Posted on: Fri, 03/25/2016 - 4:17pm #1049873
    
    Espresso
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    I honestly believe Marcus is the type of guy who would put up nice measurements and not display it in the court.
    I knew you were gonna bring stats given your original statement, if stats weren’t backing you up you would have never said that, however, it was pretty clear that when you saw WCS running the court and dunk on people, that he is just in another level.
    Not to mention WCS height advantage
    
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  - Posted on: Fri, 03/25/2016 - 4:17pm #1049742
    
    Espresso
    Participant
    I honestly believe Marcus is the type of guy who would put up nice measurements and not display it in the court.
    I knew you were gonna bring stats given your original statement, if stats weren’t backing you up you would have never said that, however, it was pretty clear that when you saw WCS running the court and dunk on people, that he is just in another level.
    Not to mention WCS height advantage
    
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- Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 4:58pm #1049325
  
  ipowers
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  Willie’s max vert at their combine in 2014 was 37 inches. Marcus Lee’s was 38.5. Willie’s standing vertical was 31 inches. Marcus Lee’s standing vertical was 30.5 inches. Anything else???
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Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 8:27am #1049263

Espresso
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Marcus Lee NEVER looked like WCS athletically, ipowers, never.

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Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:35pm #1049208

Hype Machine
Youre killing me here Powers. I come here for reliable information.

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- Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:47pm #1049210
  
  ipowers
  Participant
  Read here for yourself and stop running your mouth
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Willie-Cauley-Stein-6441/
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Lee-7212/
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- Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:47pm #1049341
  
  ipowers
  Participant
  Read here for yourself and stop running your mouth
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Willie-Cauley-Stein-6441/
  http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Marcus-Lee-7212/
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Posted on: Mon, 03/21/2016 - 6:35pm #1049339

Hype Machine
Youre killing me here Powers. I come here for reliable information.

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