[TRC1991Participant]

Yesterday, I posted a thread projecting the all-star teams. I encourage you to read every single word of this post. 

Mostly, my projection of Michael Carter-Williams making the East all-star team drew negative reviews.

There were also some ridiculous things posted that I will be addressing right now…

One individual "he gets buckets" made the following claim:

If Michael Carter-Williams gets in over Stephenson, Teague, or Afflalo I’ll stop following the NBA…  his post received +11 votes

My response to that absolutely absurd comment is to break down statistics for you:

First off, let us compare MCW with Jeff Teague

Jeff Teague is on a winning team, yes, but I attribute a good majority of that to the all-star play of Paul Millsap and Al Horford before he went down. Jeff Teague, who is often considered a good shooter, is shooting 26% from three (MCW is shooting better and he’s widely regarded as at terrible shooter), he has a PER of 16.15 (again lower than MCW’s by almost 2 full points), and has seen his point per game average dip each month:

Oct: 24 PPG

Nov: 16.9 PPG

Dec: 16.6 PPG

Jan: 14.3 PPG

Would an "all-star" really let his PPG contribution dip 10 full points over the span of four months? ESPECIALLY when he doesn’t have Al Horford to compete with for field goal attempts? Jeff Teague’s case for being an all-star is SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Carter-Williams’…

Also, Carter-Williams proves his value to the Philly squad by the following stat

76ers record with Carter-Williams not playing: 1-10 (10%)

76ers record with Carter-Williams playing: 13-18 (42%)

So no, "he gets buckets", Jeff Teague earning a spot over MCW in the all-star game would be irrational and erroneous.

Now onto your next brain-buster…Arron Afflalo…

Yes Afflalo is averaging a career high in points, but he’s also averaging a career high in FGA, 3PA, MPG, FTA, and TPG…

Afflalo’s Orlando Magic squad has also been so uproariously horrendous that they have managed an 11-32 record, 2nd worst in the NBA.

If you check the standings, Orlando happens to be actually WORSE than the 76ers, who Michael Carter-Williams happens to play for…

So now that you’re down 0-2 to me, and on the verge of "not following the NBA anymore" let’s review your last choice: Lance Stephenson…

Yes, Lance Stephenson – the same player who is so gruesomely underrated that he might actually be overrated…

By the way, if you go back and read my initial post, I clearly state that "picking MCW over Stephenson was not easy" 

I believe Lance is a great player, but I think Carter-Williams is more deserving for the following reasons:

Lance has a PER of 15.56, MCW has a PER of 17.88 which is a indirect indicator of the effiency of a player – thusly leading us to a conclusion that MCW is more efficient – AND he’s a better offensive player…Plus, he’s averaging 2.5 steals per game which is 2nd in the entire NBA, which can also help us assume he’s equally or better on defense to Lance Stephenson (0.7 SPG) 

Lance is averaging less points per game and assists per game than Carter-Williams. 13.7 for Lance, 17.5 for MCW

The Pacers already have 2 guys going to the all-star game, Paul George and Roy Hibbert. If you want to argue with me that the winning teams should be favored, well then I implore you to tell your fellow NBA fans that hated on my projection of DeRozan and Lowry to the all-star game to rethink their comments. (The Raptors, who are led by the aforementioned 2, have won of 10 of their last 15) 

The Pacers would not be a significantly worse team if Stephenson were to miss extensive time – Danny Granger is more than sufficient to step in right away and produce.

The 76ers, as proven by my previous comment up above, would manage just 1 win out of every 10 games for the rest of the season, if averages were to be upheld, should MCW miss the remainder of the season.

This leads us to the conclusion of my argument:

Michael Carter-Williams has proven that he is more deserving than both Afflalo and Teague and equally to more deserving as Lance Stephenson of gaining admission into this year’s all-star game. If you still don’t agree with me, I’d love for you to not argue back because you’ll just lose again. I do feel bad that you don’t plan on following the NBA anymore though, the league sure needed your advice, opinion and fanhood. You will be missed by approximately none.

P.S. for the poster who said "not even LeBron made it as a rookie" go back and re-examine the standings of the East during his first year…Teams were actually decent. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Prime TimeParticipant]

 I’m all for  MCW making the All-star game. 

[Prime TimeParticipant]

 I’m all for  MCW making the All-star game. 

[evangelion79Participant]

 Umm… Jeff Teague only played one game in October so I really wouldn’t count that as a 10 point dip. That’s like bashing James Harden for having a 20 point dip by all star break since he scored 45 points in his first game last year.

[evangelion79Participant]

 Umm… Jeff Teague only played one game in October so I really wouldn’t count that as a 10 point dip. That’s like bashing James Harden for having a 20 point dip by all star break since he scored 45 points in his first game last year.

[TRC1991Participant]

I was hoping no one would catch that haha

[TRC1991Participant]

I was hoping no one would catch that haha

[Tallest Nigga N DA BuildingParticipant]

 I commented on your first post n still feel even tho mcw has shown signs of his greatness he hasn’t been the best player on his team if u had to pick one person from sixers that nod has to go to Evan Turner. Mcw being out for couple games here in there hurt his popularity pick ex kyrie Irving when he made the all star team rookie year he was balling n his popularity stayed up meaning he was talked bout highlights every nite etc… 

[Tallest Nigga N DA BuildingParticipant]

 I commented on your first post n still feel even tho mcw has shown signs of his greatness he hasn’t been the best player on his team if u had to pick one person from sixers that nod has to go to Evan Turner. Mcw being out for couple games here in there hurt his popularity pick ex kyrie Irving when he made the all star team rookie year he was balling n his popularity stayed up meaning he was talked bout highlights every nite etc… 

[BasketballJunkie224Participant]

i am a huge mcw fan but the fans still vote right? i would love to see mcw make the all star game as a rookie..but i just dont think enought people will vote for him..lance stephenson is playing well at the right time and has been around a few years..he is sort of like the flavor of the month..everyone is talking about him..i respect everything you said and once again i would love to see mcw make it..but i just dont think enough fans would vote for him..who knows lance might not even make it..all star voting can get tricky

[BasketballJunkie224Participant]

i am a huge mcw fan but the fans still vote right? i would love to see mcw make the all star game as a rookie..but i just dont think enought people will vote for him..lance stephenson is playing well at the right time and has been around a few years..he is sort of like the flavor of the month..everyone is talking about him..i respect everything you said and once again i would love to see mcw make it..but i just dont think enough fans would vote for him..who knows lance might not even make it..all star voting can get tricky

[Tallest Nigga N DA BuildingParticipant]

 Fans only vote for starters coaches vote for reserves.

[Tallest Nigga N DA BuildingParticipant]

 Fans only vote for starters coaches vote for reserves.

[adumParticipant]

 If he stayed healthy he would make the team without a shadow of a doubt.

Missing all those games will be the main reason he’s not going to make the team.

 

 

[adumParticipant]

 If he stayed healthy he would make the team without a shadow of a doubt.

Missing all those games will be the main reason he’s not going to make the team.

 

 

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 What a nerd!

[Mad MaxParticipant]

 What a nerd!

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 Pretty good breakdown. I’ve been a Sixers fan since AI took them to the Finals. MCW actually has me excited about them again, he’s good enough to take this franchise back to relavence. He actually is the best player on his team because of his 2-way capabilities, and most definitely deserves to be an all-star over Stephenson, Afflalo, and Teague. Can’t wait until next year when Noel is healthy and we have a couple more draft picks. The sky is the limit for MCW and the Sixers future.  

[SpartanGloryParticipant]

 Pretty good breakdown. I’ve been a Sixers fan since AI took them to the Finals. MCW actually has me excited about them again, he’s good enough to take this franchise back to relavence. He actually is the best player on his team because of his 2-way capabilities, and most definitely deserves to be an all-star over Stephenson, Afflalo, and Teague. Can’t wait until next year when Noel is healthy and we have a couple more draft picks. The sky is the limit for MCW and the Sixers future.  

[jwall1Participant]

I would give Demar, Lance and Teague the nod over MCW. They have had IMO a bigger impact on their teams’ success than MCW. The Raptors and Pacers both have winning records, and I think that should be taken into consideration as well. When comparing players like Teagye to MCW, individual stats arent everything. Teague has been a great pg and leader in Atlanta with Horford out, and his team has a solid winning record. 

[jwall1Participant]

I would give Demar, Lance and Teague the nod over MCW. They have had IMO a bigger impact on their teams’ success than MCW. The Raptors and Pacers both have winning records, and I think that should be taken into consideration as well. When comparing players like Teagye to MCW, individual stats arent everything. Teague has been a great pg and leader in Atlanta with Horford out, and his team has a solid winning record. 

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I agree wit Demar and lance, and even Teague over MCW. The main difference is all these guys have to play within a team scheme with the intention of winning a team game. MCW is a good player, but he has the free reign, essentially, to do whatever he wants. They let him run rampant and take 22 shots a game and only hit 5. Guys like Lance or demar would get pulled for play like that because they’re on teams that have backups and good players. Who’s the sixers backup? Wroten? MCW is playing well, exceptionally well, but its because of the team situation he’s in.

[ElPananderoParticipant]

 I agree wit Demar and lance, and even Teague over MCW. The main difference is all these guys have to play within a team scheme with the intention of winning a team game. MCW is a good player, but he has the free reign, essentially, to do whatever he wants. They let him run rampant and take 22 shots a game and only hit 5. Guys like Lance or demar would get pulled for play like that because they’re on teams that have backups and good players. Who’s the sixers backup? Wroten? MCW is playing well, exceptionally well, but its because of the team situation he’s in.

[joecheck88Participant]

 Loved the breakdown. Agree that he should be over Teague and Affalo. Not so much over Stephenson though. You even posted it. MCW has missed 11 games. That’ll be about 20% by the time the all star break hits. I’m not sold on the PER thing. I mean Stephenson means a lot to the Pacers. He does some bad but when he plays well they play well. MCW has more steals but that isn’t indicative of him being a better defensive player. Lance will get into a guy and be physical. He’s a good defender as well. I think of the records were closer MCW would have a good shot over Lance but the gap is far too big. MCW should be happy he is getting consideration. Rookies just usually don’t make the team. Think Blake Griffin was the last and that’s because he put up 20 & 10 and coaches realized fans would enjoy his style in that setting. Before him think it was Yao who won the fan vote via fans in China. So it doesn’t happen often and he will have plenty of years to make it. As of this year though think Lance goes in before him. Then Derozan before Michael as well. 

[joecheck88Participant]

 Loved the breakdown. Agree that he should be over Teague and Affalo. Not so much over Stephenson though. You even posted it. MCW has missed 11 games. That’ll be about 20% by the time the all star break hits. I’m not sold on the PER thing. I mean Stephenson means a lot to the Pacers. He does some bad but when he plays well they play well. MCW has more steals but that isn’t indicative of him being a better defensive player. Lance will get into a guy and be physical. He’s a good defender as well. I think of the records were closer MCW would have a good shot over Lance but the gap is far too big. MCW should be happy he is getting consideration. Rookies just usually don’t make the team. Think Blake Griffin was the last and that’s because he put up 20 & 10 and coaches realized fans would enjoy his style in that setting. Before him think it was Yao who won the fan vote via fans in China. So it doesn’t happen often and he will have plenty of years to make it. As of this year though think Lance goes in before him. Then Derozan before Michael as well. 

[sixersman111Participant]

Big MCW fan but if he gets the nod over lance something is wrong.  Lance is top 5 sg in the league right now while MCW is not even a top 7 player at his position. 

[sixersman111Participant]

Big MCW fan but if he gets the nod over lance something is wrong.  Lance is top 5 sg in the league right now while MCW is not even a top 7 player at his position. 

[the I in winParticipant]

While your statement is true, being a top 5 shooting guard is significantly easier than being a top 7 PG.

[the I in winParticipant]

While your statement is true, being a top 5 shooting guard is significantly easier than being a top 7 PG.

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Great writeup. To everyone that negged the post without a reply: You are what is wrong with this site. 

Now I do think that Lance is more deserving than MCW. And I cite the reasons stated above. Missing that much time is hard to overlook. I feel bad for players that miss all-stars because of injuries, but it’s only fair. Players get in because they kept up their game consistently. 

And I would be careful when comparing PER. Even though a lot of Indiana’s offense runs through Lance now, he still plays with George, Hibbert and West. So his touches and shot attempts will be limited. MCW has the green light and isn’t expected to defer. That really affects PER. 

[DolanCareParticipant]

 Great writeup. To everyone that negged the post without a reply: You are what is wrong with this site. 

Now I do think that Lance is more deserving than MCW. And I cite the reasons stated above. Missing that much time is hard to overlook. I feel bad for players that miss all-stars because of injuries, but it’s only fair. Players get in because they kept up their game consistently. 

And I would be careful when comparing PER. Even though a lot of Indiana’s offense runs through Lance now, he still plays with George, Hibbert and West. So his touches and shot attempts will be limited. MCW has the green light and isn’t expected to defer. That really affects PER. 

[[email protected]Participant]

 Great post! 

[[email protected]Participant]

 Great post! 

[machu46Participant]

I love MCW (and I’m going to see him against OKC this Saturday! gonna be my 2nd NBA game I’ve attended, so I’m pretty psyched), and I agree with him getting the nod over Jeff Teague.  I think I would personally put Afflalo ahead of him as well, but I personally have Afflalo ahead of Stevenson for the all-star teams this year.  I’ve just been really impressed by what he’s been able to do on an inferior team.  Usually, you see guys on bad teams put up big numbers but do it inefficiently.  Afflalo is having one of his most efficient seasons of his career.  He’s been far more efficient than Stephenson and are both solid passers and defenders.

But yeah, as a MCW fan, I’d love to see him make the all-star game as a rookie.  It’s been awesome watching him surprise so many people in the NBA.

 

[machu46Participant]

I love MCW (and I’m going to see him against OKC this Saturday! gonna be my 2nd NBA game I’ve attended, so I’m pretty psyched), and I agree with him getting the nod over Jeff Teague.  I think I would personally put Afflalo ahead of him as well, but I personally have Afflalo ahead of Stevenson for the all-star teams this year.  I’ve just been really impressed by what he’s been able to do on an inferior team.  Usually, you see guys on bad teams put up big numbers but do it inefficiently.  Afflalo is having one of his most efficient seasons of his career.  He’s been far more efficient than Stephenson and are both solid passers and defenders.

But yeah, as a MCW fan, I’d love to see him make the all-star game as a rookie.  It’s been awesome watching him surprise so many people in the NBA.

 

[steviechillzParticipant]

You cannot go wrong with either MCW or "Born Ready"! Both have had tremendous seasons! But the arguement that Lance’s team has had more wins and is playing better is ridiculous…MCW has had a bigger impact on his team and when he plays, the record shows they win more.  On the other hand, Lance is possibly the best compliment to Hibbert and George and has made the Pacers that much better!

 

Again you can’t go wrong with either, but ima pick MCW

[steviechillzParticipant]

You cannot go wrong with either MCW or "Born Ready"! Both have had tremendous seasons! But the arguement that Lance’s team has had more wins and is playing better is ridiculous…MCW has had a bigger impact on his team and when he plays, the record shows they win more.  On the other hand, Lance is possibly the best compliment to Hibbert and George and has made the Pacers that much better!

 

Again you can’t go wrong with either, but ima pick MCW

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Im offended you would call me idiotic simply because I have a different opinion then you. Considering both Philly and Orlando are doing terrible, I think an older veteran having a career year like Afflalo is should get in over MCW, as whilst you have good points regarding his PER and how he is practically carrying Philly, its very rare that rookies get into the All-Star game. I think a guy like Stephenson or Afflalo should, if not Jeff Teague. Im really disapointed that you’d shit talk me like this, I actually agreed with your entire post and plus oned it, I just didnt agree with the MCW pick.

[he_gets_bucketsParticipant]

 Im offended you would call me idiotic simply because I have a different opinion then you. Considering both Philly and Orlando are doing terrible, I think an older veteran having a career year like Afflalo is should get in over MCW, as whilst you have good points regarding his PER and how he is practically carrying Philly, its very rare that rookies get into the All-Star game. I think a guy like Stephenson or Afflalo should, if not Jeff Teague. Im really disapointed that you’d shit talk me like this, I actually agreed with your entire post and plus oned it, I just didnt agree with the MCW pick.

[Jester87Participant]

Honestly I don’t usually pay much attention to ASG nominations and I think all star appearances are overrated as a criteria to determine how good a player is. So if you want MCW to be an all star, it’s fine for me, I mean the east sucks so much it’s not a disgusting selection. It won’t change my opinion on him: he’s been great for a rookie, has all the potential in the world, he has lot of things to like but also many to improve on and even if he becomes an all star there are guys in his same position who aren’t that I still consider to be better than him (Lawson, Dragic, Bledsoe just to name a few). So the All Star status is pretty irrelevant to me, it doesn’t change my perspective. But please don’t try to fool us with dumb arguments just to make your point. I mean, don’t throw stats like "Teague ppg dipped 10 points from october". What the hell, he’s played only one game in october!!! How can this mean anything? And he’s played only 9 games in january, roughly half those he played in both december and november (and his production has been pretty much the same during those two months). And there are so many of those petty arguments (like Hawks depending on Horford and Millsap, while they’re 6-6 with a very tough schedule without Horford and play one of the most team oriented basketball in the league; or Afflalo averaging career high in shoot attempts, as if it wasn’t even more remarkable, considering how efficient he’s been). I mean, I’m ok if you want MCW to the ASG, it’s a legit opinion and I think there have been worst selections in the past; just please don’t act like a mad child someone stole candies from with those kind of silly reasonings just to impose your opinion.

[Jester87Participant]

Honestly I don’t usually pay much attention to ASG nominations and I think all star appearances are overrated as a criteria to determine how good a player is. So if you want MCW to be an all star, it’s fine for me, I mean the east sucks so much it’s not a disgusting selection. It won’t change my opinion on him: he’s been great for a rookie, has all the potential in the world, he has lot of things to like but also many to improve on and even if he becomes an all star there are guys in his same position who aren’t that I still consider to be better than him (Lawson, Dragic, Bledsoe just to name a few). So the All Star status is pretty irrelevant to me, it doesn’t change my perspective. But please don’t try to fool us with dumb arguments just to make your point. I mean, don’t throw stats like "Teague ppg dipped 10 points from october". What the hell, he’s played only one game in october!!! How can this mean anything? And he’s played only 9 games in january, roughly half those he played in both december and november (and his production has been pretty much the same during those two months). And there are so many of those petty arguments (like Hawks depending on Horford and Millsap, while they’re 6-6 with a very tough schedule without Horford and play one of the most team oriented basketball in the league; or Afflalo averaging career high in shoot attempts, as if it wasn’t even more remarkable, considering how efficient he’s been). I mean, I’m ok if you want MCW to the ASG, it’s a legit opinion and I think there have been worst selections in the past; just please don’t act like a mad child someone stole candies from with those kind of silly reasonings just to impose your opinion.

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 u mad bro?

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 u mad bro?

[runBruceParticipant]

 Dude, how long did it take you to write that? 

[runBruceParticipant]

 Dude, how long did it take you to write that? 

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