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- Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 10:41am #64144
Andrew1984ParticipantMarquese Chriss is rising and I like him going to Minnesota at No. 5. T-Wolves fans, how would you feel about it?
I have the top four going Simmons-Ingram-Murray-Bender. In this case, most would say Hield would be their choice, but I think offense is not their need with Wiggins, KAT, and LaVine absorbing FGAs. They started a 40-year-old KG at the four last year, and they need someone with athleticism to be able to defend and finish, and on offense, be efficient, stretch the floor with his range, but also run the floor. Hield needs too many shots to be effective.
Adreian Payne is a 6-10 four that can make perimeter shots, but he hasn’t shown enough athleticism to defend. Chriss has a lot of momentum rising up draft boards right now and I think he’d be the pick.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 10:51am #1071895

Chilbert arenasParticipantAs a Suns fan I’d really like to see them snag Chriss at 4. Not a Bender fan and I love Chirss’ potential offensively and has the length and foot speed to defend the pick and roll which seems to be more and more important these days.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 10:51am #1071778

Chilbert arenasParticipantAs a Suns fan I’d really like to see them snag Chriss at 4. Not a Bender fan and I love Chirss’ potential offensively and has the length and foot speed to defend the pick and roll which seems to be more and more important these days.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:18am #1071905
gforce03ParticipantWhat about Dieng? I think dieng and Kat compliments each other well enough and the rest of the team is young enough, probably at a stage where they need experience and stability moving forward. Picking Hield or Dunn should be a good choice.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:18am #1071788
gforce03ParticipantWhat about Dieng? I think dieng and Kat compliments each other well enough and the rest of the team is young enough, probably at a stage where they need experience and stability moving forward. Picking Hield or Dunn should be a good choice.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:52am #1071913

TRC1991ParticipantThey desperately need an upgrade at the PG position because, well, Rubio is constantly not very good. So yes Kris Dunn makes sense.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:52am #1071796

TRC1991ParticipantThey desperately need an upgrade at the PG position because, well, Rubio is constantly not very good. So yes Kris Dunn makes sense.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:05pm #1071984
SnowtaParticipantDo you watch the Wolves or just look at the shooting stats? Saying Rubio is not very good is just wrong. If you prefer Dunn that’s one thing and there’s probably an argument to be made there but you can’t say Rubio is not very good. He does everything besides shoot and finish well above average and had a huge positive impact on the game.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:05pm #1071868
SnowtaParticipantDo you watch the Wolves or just look at the shooting stats? Saying Rubio is not very good is just wrong. If you prefer Dunn that’s one thing and there’s probably an argument to be made there but you can’t say Rubio is not very good. He does everything besides shoot and finish well above average and had a huge positive impact on the game.
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:10am #1071970

negguaryParticipantHe does everything but shoot and finish well at the basket HAHAHA LOL that’s the main purpose of the game is to score ,in one of two ways shooting or at the rim!!!If he can do everything but two things what is he doing for the flow of the offense you basically can double team KAT or wiggins because you don’t have to stick Rubio because he can do everything but shoot or finish at the rim HAHAHAHA
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:10am #1072086

negguaryParticipantHe does everything but shoot and finish well at the basket HAHAHA LOL that’s the main purpose of the game is to score ,in one of two ways shooting or at the rim!!!If he can do everything but two things what is he doing for the flow of the offense you basically can double team KAT or wiggins because you don’t have to stick Rubio because he can do everything but shoot or finish at the rim HAHAHAHA
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 5:55am #1072157

HobbyOGParticipantRubio injury prone..that’s another good reason to go with Dunn or Murrary.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 5:55am #1072040

HobbyOGParticipantRubio injury prone..that’s another good reason to go with Dunn or Murrary.
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 1:09am #1071952
sitlbitoParticipantStraight up insanity that people in 2016 keep saying that. He was with Kat the best player on that team last year. Is he the long term answer? Maybe not,but at this point you don’t have a better option,and Kris Dunn isn’t one of them .
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 1:09am #1072068
sitlbitoParticipantStraight up insanity that people in 2016 keep saying that. He was with Kat the best player on that team last year. Is he the long term answer? Maybe not,but at this point you don’t have a better option,and Kris Dunn isn’t one of them .
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 3:09am #1071997

SubZeroParticipantDid you watch them at all? They were clearly better with him on the floor. He does really good things for that team
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 3:09am #1072113

SubZeroParticipantDid you watch them at all? They were clearly better with him on the floor. He does really good things for that team
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:52am #1071915
BiggysmallsParticipant"They need someone who can defend…"
Chriss isn’t that guy. He’s not a good defender at this point. He’s got physical skills that few others do, but he’s a terrible defender and a bad rebounder. He averaged 4 fouls per game in like 25 minutes and less than 6 rebounds.
Not a combo I’m guessing Thibs wants. I’d venture to assume that he’s the type of coach that would rather have a big like Sabonis who might not have the athletic gifts, but will be more consistent.
I would like Chriss if the Wolves were to trade back, but 5 is too rich for me. Would rather have Murray and Dunn.
I guess I could live with it if they took him, I wouldn’t be losing sleep, but I think there’s an awful lot of projection on him.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 11:52am #1071798
BiggysmallsParticipant"They need someone who can defend…"
Chriss isn’t that guy. He’s not a good defender at this point. He’s got physical skills that few others do, but he’s a terrible defender and a bad rebounder. He averaged 4 fouls per game in like 25 minutes and less than 6 rebounds.
Not a combo I’m guessing Thibs wants. I’d venture to assume that he’s the type of coach that would rather have a big like Sabonis who might not have the athletic gifts, but will be more consistent.
I would like Chriss if the Wolves were to trade back, but 5 is too rich for me. Would rather have Murray and Dunn.
I guess I could live with it if they took him, I wouldn’t be losing sleep, but I think there’s an awful lot of projection on him.
0- Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 7:55pm #1071900

MopgrassParticipantChriss is developing and a total hit or miss prospect. Right now he’s good, not great, at most things. He’s got athleticism you can’t teach, but from what I’ve seen, he might be a SF. As you said, he’s not a great rebounder. I’m not sure what he’s doing so well in workouts that has him jumping up so much. Shooting? Playing physical? He disappeared in so many games this year, but there offense was one, never-ending fast break. He’d always looked so unfinished to me. I refuse to believe he goes top 5. Top 7 or 8 I can deal with. I think the Wolves could use a bruiser, hustling, rebounding PF or non-ball-dominant PG (Jamal Murray… only Wolves would use him as a PG… but almost definitely taken 3rd or 4th).
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 7:55pm #1072016

MopgrassParticipantChriss is developing and a total hit or miss prospect. Right now he’s good, not great, at most things. He’s got athleticism you can’t teach, but from what I’ve seen, he might be a SF. As you said, he’s not a great rebounder. I’m not sure what he’s doing so well in workouts that has him jumping up so much. Shooting? Playing physical? He disappeared in so many games this year, but there offense was one, never-ending fast break. He’d always looked so unfinished to me. I refuse to believe he goes top 5. Top 7 or 8 I can deal with. I think the Wolves could use a bruiser, hustling, rebounding PF or non-ball-dominant PG (Jamal Murray… only Wolves would use him as a PG… but almost definitely taken 3rd or 4th).
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 4:00am #1072131
Andrew1984ParticipantI believe coaches like Thibs look for players that have the tools to defend. Thibs believes he can teach the skills.
And obviously, college rebounding numbers are not important to teams’ drafting strategy (see Ingram, Brandon).
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 4:00am #1072015
Andrew1984ParticipantI believe coaches like Thibs look for players that have the tools to defend. Thibs believes he can teach the skills.
And obviously, college rebounding numbers are not important to teams’ drafting strategy (see Ingram, Brandon).
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- Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 1:23pm #1071933

HitsterParticipantChriss is as high as 3 on other site mocks so could be in the mix for the T-Wolves at 5. As regards defence a lot will depend on how KAT projects as a defensive anchor but Thibs may want a good defender at PF if they go with the smaller back 3 combo.
I think a lot of decisions in the 3-6 draft area will depend on who Boston takes at 3. A lot of us assume that Bender, Hield, Murray and Dunn will make up the majority of picks in this area but often a player moves up the draft to 4 or 5 after being lower on most mocks. Chriss, Sabonis, Brown and Poeltl all have the ability for one or more of them to break into the top 6.
As always I say a lot will depend on workouts, what GMs are thinking. For Minny alone we have often debated draft Dunn and move Rubio, take Murray to play alongside Lavine and Rubio or to replace Rubio, Hield to be 6th man or with Lavine at point, several PF options to play around Dieng and KAT.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 1:23pm #1071816

HitsterParticipantChriss is as high as 3 on other site mocks so could be in the mix for the T-Wolves at 5. As regards defence a lot will depend on how KAT projects as a defensive anchor but Thibs may want a good defender at PF if they go with the smaller back 3 combo.
I think a lot of decisions in the 3-6 draft area will depend on who Boston takes at 3. A lot of us assume that Bender, Hield, Murray and Dunn will make up the majority of picks in this area but often a player moves up the draft to 4 or 5 after being lower on most mocks. Chriss, Sabonis, Brown and Poeltl all have the ability for one or more of them to break into the top 6.
As always I say a lot will depend on workouts, what GMs are thinking. For Minny alone we have often debated draft Dunn and move Rubio, take Murray to play alongside Lavine and Rubio or to replace Rubio, Hield to be 6th man or with Lavine at point, several PF options to play around Dieng and KAT.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 1:33pm #1071939

OhCanada-ParticipantI wouldn’t over think it Kris Dunn would be my pick.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 1:33pm #1071822

OhCanada-ParticipantI wouldn’t over think it Kris Dunn would be my pick.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:10pm #1071986
mamadouParticipantAt the end of the season, i liked the idea of Chriss at 13th for my suns, thinking poor man’s STAT, rich man markieff Morris, 18yo, upside.
But man i’ll never touch him in the top 5, 2 months ago he wasn’t even top 20-25, now he’s listed 3-5 here or there, damn,
I don’t think he’ll go that high anyway, he’s not a thib guy at all, Pels ain’t drafting him.
Nuggets eventually, they have time to develop him behind farried and their tweeners, they could try the huskies package at 7-15/19….
I don’t like the fit with the kings, sure they badly need a PF(like the suns), but he’s in the mold of a lot of their players in term of low IQ, stat stuffers…losing basketball.
Raptors i’ll take him, it’s a free pick from the knicks, i’d gamble, not a young team, not a losing team, decent environment to grow.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:10pm #1071870
mamadouParticipantAt the end of the season, i liked the idea of Chriss at 13th for my suns, thinking poor man’s STAT, rich man markieff Morris, 18yo, upside.
But man i’ll never touch him in the top 5, 2 months ago he wasn’t even top 20-25, now he’s listed 3-5 here or there, damn,
I don’t think he’ll go that high anyway, he’s not a thib guy at all, Pels ain’t drafting him.
Nuggets eventually, they have time to develop him behind farried and their tweeners, they could try the huskies package at 7-15/19….
I don’t like the fit with the kings, sure they badly need a PF(like the suns), but he’s in the mold of a lot of their players in term of low IQ, stat stuffers…losing basketball.
Raptors i’ll take him, it’s a free pick from the knicks, i’d gamble, not a young team, not a losing team, decent environment to grow.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:13pm #1071872
SnowtaParticipantI am so intrigued by the idea of Chriss, but it scares me. It’s the definition of swinging for the fences. If he pans out him and towns would probably be the best frontcourt in the league but it’s still a big risk IMO. I just don’t think the wolves are in a position where they swing for the fences. If you go with Murray or buddy you bring in a guy you know will contribute right away and address a huge need in shooting. The ceiling isn’t nearly as high but again you don’t need to hit a home run when you have towns wig and lavine. The other thing that makes me think they don’t go with Chriss is that he’s not a great rebounder. If he was really good on the boards I think you could justify it. For what it’s worth I definitely don’t see Gorgui as a starting PF and think he’s a 1st big off the bench so you could say PF is need 1a after shooting.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 06/09/2016 - 6:13pm #1071988
SnowtaParticipantI am so intrigued by the idea of Chriss, but it scares me. It’s the definition of swinging for the fences. If he pans out him and towns would probably be the best frontcourt in the league but it’s still a big risk IMO. I just don’t think the wolves are in a position where they swing for the fences. If you go with Murray or buddy you bring in a guy you know will contribute right away and address a huge need in shooting. The ceiling isn’t nearly as high but again you don’t need to hit a home run when you have towns wig and lavine. The other thing that makes me think they don’t go with Chriss is that he’s not a great rebounder. If he was really good on the boards I think you could justify it. For what it’s worth I definitely don’t see Gorgui as a starting PF and think he’s a 1st big off the bench so you could say PF is need 1a after shooting.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 12:28am #1071948
NBAjunkie81Participantbut I’m not sure if he will be there……….. Both University of Washington products Chriss & Dejounte Murray are Flying up the Boards……..
I also believe Jamal Murray would be a Great fit in Minnesota b/c a deadly shooter would set the T-Wolves up w/ a Future Title contending Roster…..
So if Chriss Rises…… then Maybe J.Murray will fall to the T-Wolves…………..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 12:28am #1072064
NBAjunkie81Participantbut I’m not sure if he will be there……….. Both University of Washington products Chriss & Dejounte Murray are Flying up the Boards……..
I also believe Jamal Murray would be a Great fit in Minnesota b/c a deadly shooter would set the T-Wolves up w/ a Future Title contending Roster…..
So if Chriss Rises…… then Maybe J.Murray will fall to the T-Wolves…………..
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 1:10am #1071954
sitlbitoParticipantThe more I think about it,the Wolves are in a position where they can do no wrong,Murray,Dunn,Chriss,heck even Bender if he falls to them…All solid picks in my opinion. The problem with the wolves is that they’ll have to,at some point,figure out what young guys they keep/pay or trade. Can’t keep all o them.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 1:10am #1072070
sitlbitoParticipantThe more I think about it,the Wolves are in a position where they can do no wrong,Murray,Dunn,Chriss,heck even Bender if he falls to them…All solid picks in my opinion. The problem with the wolves is that they’ll have to,at some point,figure out what young guys they keep/pay or trade. Can’t keep all o them.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:39am #1071983
Untouchable JParticipantThe Twolves should be thinking 8 seed this year, home court at least 4 seed the year after, then title year 3. Chriss is 2 years away from being 2 years away. Not the move.
Dieng is a perfect fit for them defensivley and financially, bc they will have a big money player and big name player at the 1-4, at least 1 positon has to be the ‘grunt’. Let it be the 5. Noah would also be a great pickup
Dunn or Murray is the pick, bc Rubio is not the strating PG for this team.
0- Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 4:39am #1072139
sitlbitoParticipantI disagree. First of all,nobody has any idea when Chriss will be ready. Secondly NBA ready or not is the most overrated phrase of the draft,most of them aren’t,and just because a guy played 1 year in college doesn’t mean he’s not ready,just because a guy played 4 years doesn’t mean he’s ready.
The NBA is not that simple,look at whatthe NBA looked like 2 years ago. You don’t take a guy thinking "he’s gonna be ready for this time when we will finish with exactly 52 wins". You take the best talent and figure it out,
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 4:39am #1072023
sitlbitoParticipantI disagree. First of all,nobody has any idea when Chriss will be ready. Secondly NBA ready or not is the most overrated phrase of the draft,most of them aren’t,and just because a guy played 1 year in college doesn’t mean he’s not ready,just because a guy played 4 years doesn’t mean he’s ready.
The NBA is not that simple,look at whatthe NBA looked like 2 years ago. You don’t take a guy thinking "he’s gonna be ready for this time when we will finish with exactly 52 wins". You take the best talent and figure it out,
0- Posted on: Mon, 06/13/2016 - 7:25am #1072936
Untouchable JParticipantThe Wolves are in a position where there’s really no wrong pick.
But considering their exsiting talent, the 1 thing they COULD do that they’d regret is blowing this pick, which in theory will be the last time they dsraft this high in some time.
Can i see Dunn not panning out in the league? No. Can i see J. Murray not panning out in the league? Hell no.
Could i see Chriss not panning out? Of course. There’s a thin, athletic PF coming out every year. Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomans, the list is endless. Probably the player type thats MOST likely to be a bust.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/13/2016 - 7:25am #1072821
Untouchable JParticipantThe Wolves are in a position where there’s really no wrong pick.
But considering their exsiting talent, the 1 thing they COULD do that they’d regret is blowing this pick, which in theory will be the last time they dsraft this high in some time.
Can i see Dunn not panning out in the league? No. Can i see J. Murray not panning out in the league? Hell no.
Could i see Chriss not panning out? Of course. There’s a thin, athletic PF coming out every year. Stromile Swift, Tyrus Thomans, the list is endless. Probably the player type thats MOST likely to be a bust.
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- Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:39am #1072099
Untouchable JParticipantThe Twolves should be thinking 8 seed this year, home court at least 4 seed the year after, then title year 3. Chriss is 2 years away from being 2 years away. Not the move.
Dieng is a perfect fit for them defensivley and financially, bc they will have a big money player and big name player at the 1-4, at least 1 positon has to be the ‘grunt’. Let it be the 5. Noah would also be a great pickup
Dunn or Murray is the pick, bc Rubio is not the strating PG for this team.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:43am #1071985
Untouchable JParticipantImagine Steph Curry HAVING to guard either Kris Dunn or Zach Levine. Cant hide him.
thats the type long term thinking the wolves should be having.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 06/10/2016 - 2:43am #1072101
Untouchable JParticipantImagine Steph Curry HAVING to guard either Kris Dunn or Zach Levine. Cant hide him.
thats the type long term thinking the wolves should be having.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/13/2016 - 5:52am #1072905

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantBetween the talk of Marquese Chriss being a top five pick and the ESPN article that quoted someone as saying if Dejounte Murray played at North Carolina or Duke, he’d be a top-five pick, we have clearly reached the point where the 2015-16 Washington Huskies have gone down as the greatest 19-15 team in NCAA history.
0 - Posted on: Mon, 06/13/2016 - 5:52am #1072792

BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipantBetween the talk of Marquese Chriss being a top five pick and the ESPN article that quoted someone as saying if Dejounte Murray played at North Carolina or Duke, he’d be a top-five pick, we have clearly reached the point where the 2015-16 Washington Huskies have gone down as the greatest 19-15 team in NCAA history.
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