[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Congrats to the Spurs 1st off

Amazing series by all their guys…

Now before we spam the forum with Heat hatred, lets congratulate them too…

So do the Heat break it up and try to rebuild around Lebron?

Does Tim Duncan retire on top of the NBA mountain? Do Manu and Tony Parker take Timmy’s lead and retire in a year or two (a lot of tread on those tires)

Great off season to follow the Sport between the Draft and Free Agency

[TomShoeParticipant]

 I don’t hate the Heat, I respect them so much. Truly an accomplishment to be so successful.

I’m going to dump on their fans as hard as I can, though.

 

 

[TomShoeParticipant]

 I don’t hate the Heat, I respect them so much. Truly an accomplishment to be so successful.

I’m going to dump on their fans as hard as I can, though.

 

 

[FutureNBAGMParticipant]

No way Duncan retires now. And Parker is only 32 so I have no idea why HE would retire anytime soon either.

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Imo he could play for a few more years and no one would judge him for it but I believe he’s said he’d retire with Pop and/or Timmy…Manu has a ton of time logged on the job too, the man can return home to Argentina and reflect on a long and successful career

Tim is the 1st domino I believe, if he leaves the game I expect guys like Garnett and Company to follow

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

Imo he could play for a few more years and no one would judge him for it but I believe he’s said he’d retire with Pop and/or Timmy…Manu has a ton of time logged on the job too, the man can return home to Argentina and reflect on a long and successful career

Tim is the 1st domino I believe, if he leaves the game I expect guys like Garnett and Company to follow

[FutureNBAGMParticipant]

No way Duncan retires now. And Parker is only 32 so I have no idea why HE would retire anytime soon either.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6….. They bought their team, they deserve as much criticism comes their way.

 

 

And 2 out of 4 isn’t very good when you have the best player in the world, and were the favorites at the beginning of each season to win the title.

 

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

2 out of 4 is great. Just not when you want to use it as an argument about Lebron being the best player in the world. He’s surrounded by one of the best teams in the world and when the others don’t play well, he’s got to deliver.

[Hacker90Participant]

 He delivered with 31.10 and 5. But everyone else on the Heat did not play like they were the best surrounding cast at all, not even close

[King CaluchaParticipant]

They didn’t not play like that because they played against a team that forced them to do what they don’t like to do.

Magic played C on his rookie season and put 42, 15 and 7. Not debating who’s better… I just wanted to point out that Lebron lacks the killer instinct that other greats players had.

LOL this sounds like Skip Bayless’ speech tomorrow.

 

 

[King CaluchaParticipant]

They didn’t not play like that because they played against a team that forced them to do what they don’t like to do.

Magic played C on his rookie season and put 42, 15 and 7. Not debating who’s better… I just wanted to point out that Lebron lacks the killer instinct that other greats players had.

LOL this sounds like Skip Bayless’ speech tomorrow.

 

 

[tidhoParticipant]

Soooo sick of this argument.  Even after watching the Spurs take a very good team apart with surgical precision do people still not understand?  Yes LeBron got his, but iso-ball is a detriment to everyone else on the floor.

[tidhoParticipant]

Soooo sick of this argument.  Even after watching the Spurs take a very good team apart with surgical precision do people still not understand?  Yes LeBron got his, but iso-ball is a detriment to everyone else on the floor.

[Hacker90Participant]

 He delivered with 31.10 and 5. But everyone else on the Heat did not play like they were the best surrounding cast at all, not even close

[King CaluchaParticipant]

2 out of 4 is great. Just not when you want to use it as an argument about Lebron being the best player in the world. He’s surrounded by one of the best teams in the world and when the others don’t play well, he’s got to deliver.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 Not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6….. They bought their team, they deserve as much criticism comes their way.

 

 

And 2 out of 4 isn’t very good when you have the best player in the world, and were the favorites at the beginning of each season to win the title.

 

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I am a card carrying member of "Heat haters lodge 420" and even I cant say what they’ve accomplished is by any means a complete failure…

They will forever be haunted by that stupid quote, it made them sound like delusional idiots who envisioned the entire League tucking their tail in fear of the "Big 2 and a half"

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

I am a card carrying member of "Heat haters lodge 420" and even I cant say what they’ve accomplished is by any means a complete failure…

They will forever be haunted by that stupid quote, it made them sound like delusional idiots who envisioned the entire League tucking their tail in fear of the "Big 2 and a half"

[TimeForNineParticipant]

 If there is anyone to feel bad for tonight it’s definitely T-Mac. Poor guy was a year off

[TimeForNineParticipant]

 If there is anyone to feel bad for tonight it’s definitely T-Mac. Poor guy was a year off

[HOops1562Participant]

 Not a failure a dissapointment they came out partying like they won something when they just signed 2 guys http://www.youtube.com/watch then Lebron goes out and says not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 …. they thought they would roll through the league but it’s not easy to win a ring 

 

[HOops1562Participant]

 Not a failure a dissapointment they came out partying like they won something when they just signed 2 guys http://www.youtube.com/watch then Lebron goes out and says not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 …. they thought they would roll through the league but it’s not easy to win a ring 

 

[AdamJCallejaParticipant]

 I think if The Heat took this series it would have put Lebron over the top and there would be no argument that he put himself in the conversation of greatest of all time. But he’s clearly lacking something mentally, Magic is a good point to bring up because that dude doesn’t have the physical gifts of a Lebron just the size yet he did whatever it took to win. Lebron just seems to not want it as bad as the greats did.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 It really bothers me when people say he could be the greatest ever.  It really does.  He’s 11-16 in the finals, and 2-3 in series.  And quite honestly, he should be 1-4 in series.  The Spurs gift wrapped him the title last year.  It takes someone who has never seen Jordan play, or someone who just doesn’t understand that winning on the biggest stage is at the utmost importance, to say someone can surpass Jordan.  Let me say this again, he’s 11-16 on the biggest stage in basketball.  When you’re considered one of the best basketball players ever, you are judged almost solely on your post-season accomplishments.  He completely disappeared against the Mavericks in 2011.  What’d he average like 17ppg that series?  Both Wade and Bosh averaged more ppg that series.  He’s already blown his chance at becoming the greatest ever.  He really has.  There is zero chance he can surpass Jordan, even if he had won this series.

 

But you are right.  He is lacking killer instinct.  That isn’t anything new though.  That’s been apparent since 2011.  He doesn’t have the fire, the determination, the utter want to win at all costs.  That’s apparent with his statements during press conferences, apparent with his demeanor on the court at times, apparent when he quit on his teammates in 2010, apparent when he quit with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game when his team was still within striking range.  He seems to be complacent at times, and defers to teammates way too much.  It sucks he’s wired that way, because he really is the best player in the league.  Oh well, it’s just his personality.

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re spot on in my eyes and that’s without mentioning he played in the east when its been the worst its arguably ever been.  Great player, best in the game right now, but that doesn’t mean greatest ever and I think 2 out of 5 eliminates him from that convo.  Hell even Kobe is 5 for 7. And obviously the GOAT is 6 for 6.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Kobe is great and all. But he won three rings with Shaq in his near prime. Shaq’s best years were some of the most dominant basketball EVER. Kobe was good and scored but he was the second option. (And yes, I know he scored a ton of points in one finals series against the Sixers, that doesn’t change the fact that Shaq was the best player on those championships.) 

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

Kobe is great and all. But he won three rings with Shaq in his near prime. Shaq’s best years were some of the most dominant basketball EVER. Kobe was good and scored but he was the second option. (And yes, I know he scored a ton of points in one finals series against the Sixers, that doesn’t change the fact that Shaq was the best player on those championships.) 

[Magic JordanParticipant]

 You’re spot on in my eyes and that’s without mentioning he played in the east when its been the worst its arguably ever been.  Great player, best in the game right now, but that doesn’t mean greatest ever and I think 2 out of 5 eliminates him from that convo.  Hell even Kobe is 5 for 7. And obviously the GOAT is 6 for 6.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

 It really bothers me when people say he could be the greatest ever.  It really does.  He’s 11-16 in the finals, and 2-3 in series.  And quite honestly, he should be 1-4 in series.  The Spurs gift wrapped him the title last year.  It takes someone who has never seen Jordan play, or someone who just doesn’t understand that winning on the biggest stage is at the utmost importance, to say someone can surpass Jordan.  Let me say this again, he’s 11-16 on the biggest stage in basketball.  When you’re considered one of the best basketball players ever, you are judged almost solely on your post-season accomplishments.  He completely disappeared against the Mavericks in 2011.  What’d he average like 17ppg that series?  Both Wade and Bosh averaged more ppg that series.  He’s already blown his chance at becoming the greatest ever.  He really has.  There is zero chance he can surpass Jordan, even if he had won this series.

 

But you are right.  He is lacking killer instinct.  That isn’t anything new though.  That’s been apparent since 2011.  He doesn’t have the fire, the determination, the utter want to win at all costs.  That’s apparent with his statements during press conferences, apparent with his demeanor on the court at times, apparent when he quit on his teammates in 2010, apparent when he quit with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter of an NBA finals game when his team was still within striking range.  He seems to be complacent at times, and defers to teammates way too much.  It sucks he’s wired that way, because he really is the best player in the league.  Oh well, it’s just his personality.

[AdamJCallejaParticipant]

 I think if The Heat took this series it would have put Lebron over the top and there would be no argument that he put himself in the conversation of greatest of all time. But he’s clearly lacking something mentally, Magic is a good point to bring up because that dude doesn’t have the physical gifts of a Lebron just the size yet he did whatever it took to win. Lebron just seems to not want it as bad as the greats did.

[Jester87Participant]

Anyone stating 2 out of 4 isn’t good just needs to see a psychiatrist and has to be a good one. The Heat are the third team in history to make 4 finals in a row and just to put things in perspective, that requires playing as many games as it takes to 4 peat. These Heat have played a lot more games and have a lot more mileage in their legs than the Spurs and it showed in the finals. You might be pissed off by the not one, not two, not three crap, it was annoying and probably inappropriate, but still if you take it literally there’s something wrong with you. Winning two rings is a terrific accomplishment, winning two and getting to the finals in the other two seasons is just amazing.

And nope, the fact that they have the best player in the world means nothing. That kind of mindset is what dumbs down every basketball talk. Basketball is a team sport. You don’t win just because you have the best player in the world. The Spurs have been teaching that for the last 20 years. The Mavs showed that in 2011. And also, LeBron didn’t have that great of a team, especially this year. They had to start Rashard Lewis during the playoffs because they didn’t have many other options. Lewis is the same guy who was surprised when Spo called him to put him in against Indiana. Battier has been great but he was fairly washed up. James Jones has never been great and he wasn’t getting better now that he’s old. Chalmers has forgot how to play basketball at the worst time possible. Allen is still delightful on offense, but he can’t guard nobody at this point and they have to hide him on defense and during the finals he’s missed a few open shots. Wade has had some good moments during these playoffs, but he’s kinda washed up, he plays James Harden like defense, lollygagging in transition and not giving a crap about cuts and off the ball movements. Except for Bosh and maybe Birdman and Cole (who was great against Indiana, but pretty bad in the finals) they have a meh supporting cast. In the last two games LeBron seemed to be left all by himself. You can’t win against a team as good as San Antonio that way.

[Jester87Participant]

Anyone stating 2 out of 4 isn’t good just needs to see a psychiatrist and has to be a good one. The Heat are the third team in history to make 4 finals in a row and just to put things in perspective, that requires playing as many games as it takes to 4 peat. These Heat have played a lot more games and have a lot more mileage in their legs than the Spurs and it showed in the finals. You might be pissed off by the not one, not two, not three crap, it was annoying and probably inappropriate, but still if you take it literally there’s something wrong with you. Winning two rings is a terrific accomplishment, winning two and getting to the finals in the other two seasons is just amazing.

And nope, the fact that they have the best player in the world means nothing. That kind of mindset is what dumbs down every basketball talk. Basketball is a team sport. You don’t win just because you have the best player in the world. The Spurs have been teaching that for the last 20 years. The Mavs showed that in 2011. And also, LeBron didn’t have that great of a team, especially this year. They had to start Rashard Lewis during the playoffs because they didn’t have many other options. Lewis is the same guy who was surprised when Spo called him to put him in against Indiana. Battier has been great but he was fairly washed up. James Jones has never been great and he wasn’t getting better now that he’s old. Chalmers has forgot how to play basketball at the worst time possible. Allen is still delightful on offense, but he can’t guard nobody at this point and they have to hide him on defense and during the finals he’s missed a few open shots. Wade has had some good moments during these playoffs, but he’s kinda washed up, he plays James Harden like defense, lollygagging in transition and not giving a crap about cuts and off the ball movements. Except for Bosh and maybe Birdman and Cole (who was great against Indiana, but pretty bad in the finals) they have a meh supporting cast. In the last two games LeBron seemed to be left all by himself. You can’t win against a team as good as San Antonio that way.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I don’t know how folks on this thread can sit through this Spurs clinic of team game. Watch a game where Patty Mills looks like an unstoppable scoring machine. And still feel like the win and loss is almost solely an indictment of Lebron.

It is a team game. The Heat’s off season moves were complete failures (Beasily and Oden). Their role players are too old to play (see Batier retiring) or getting really close to being out of the league (see Birdman, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis). Their young guys are margininal talents (see Chalmers and Cole). With Wade running down, the team had disolved to Lebron and some contributions from Bosh. The Heat never scored 100 points in this series. That isn’t going to cut it against the Spurs. 

On the other side, the Spurs could get scoring and contributions from 8 guys. They won 62 games in the West and they regularly put on scoring clinics in the playoffs resulting in the highest scoring differential ever for a finals run and I suspect the highest Effective FG% ever (they were second to Lakers FG%, but they must have shot many many more threes, so must have much higher EFG%). 

This was a superior team beating a team who happened to have the best player in the league. It should not tarnish Lebron’s legacy to lose to the Spurs. 

[tidhoParticipant]

…..because the Heat’s AAU All-Stars kill ball movement.  Ray Allen could have matched Patty Mills shot for shot but LeBron was too busy dribbling.

[Jester87Participant]

Yeah, or it was the other players just watching LeBron and not doing anything, like cutting, setting off ball screens, diving after screening the ball handler? Not to mention the Spurs’s defense obviously played a role in taking away Heat’s ball movement and the fact that Mario Chalmers forgot how to play basketball, preventing Spoelstra to effectively use small lineups to have better spacings.

This is just ridicolous, when LeBron doesn’t score people are putting the blame on him because he’s too unselfish and he doesn’t have the clutch gene, when his teammates disappear and leave him all alone and he tries to make up for that he’s too selfish. This whole LeBron hate thing has become just too stupid, people will always have to complain about LeBron no matter what he does.

[Jester87Participant]

Yeah, or it was the other players just watching LeBron and not doing anything, like cutting, setting off ball screens, diving after screening the ball handler? Not to mention the Spurs’s defense obviously played a role in taking away Heat’s ball movement and the fact that Mario Chalmers forgot how to play basketball, preventing Spoelstra to effectively use small lineups to have better spacings.

This is just ridicolous, when LeBron doesn’t score people are putting the blame on him because he’s too unselfish and he doesn’t have the clutch gene, when his teammates disappear and leave him all alone and he tries to make up for that he’s too selfish. This whole LeBron hate thing has become just too stupid, people will always have to complain about LeBron no matter what he does.

[tidhoParticipant]

…..because the Heat’s AAU All-Stars kill ball movement.  Ray Allen could have matched Patty Mills shot for shot but LeBron was too busy dribbling.

[TallmanNYCParticipant]

I don’t know how folks on this thread can sit through this Spurs clinic of team game. Watch a game where Patty Mills looks like an unstoppable scoring machine. And still feel like the win and loss is almost solely an indictment of Lebron.

It is a team game. The Heat’s off season moves were complete failures (Beasily and Oden). Their role players are too old to play (see Batier retiring) or getting really close to being out of the league (see Birdman, Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis). Their young guys are margininal talents (see Chalmers and Cole). With Wade running down, the team had disolved to Lebron and some contributions from Bosh. The Heat never scored 100 points in this series. That isn’t going to cut it against the Spurs. 

On the other side, the Spurs could get scoring and contributions from 8 guys. They won 62 games in the West and they regularly put on scoring clinics in the playoffs resulting in the highest scoring differential ever for a finals run and I suspect the highest Effective FG% ever (they were second to Lakers FG%, but they must have shot many many more threes, so must have much higher EFG%). 

This was a superior team beating a team who happened to have the best player in the league. It should not tarnish Lebron’s legacy to lose to the Spurs. 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 James, Bosh and Wade take up to close enough the entire salary cap.  Duncan, Ginobili and Parker are around half the salary cap.  The superstar Spurs make plenty of money but they play as a team and don’t make loud statements, and compared to them the three big Heat players went out of their way to be loud and promise 7 or 8 titles.  So until the 7 or 8 titles are won the fans in the NBA will remind the Heat that they didn’t do what they said they would.

LeBron at least got to play in the NBA Finals with his father, Greg Oden, and few players can say that.

It wasn’t James’ fault they lost, as Wade’s play and Bosh’s rebounding and no bench and the struggling point guards are the real reasons.  Miami adding help for LeBron could be difficult, they overpaid for Wade and Bosh this season and if they don’t opt out they will over pay them for two more seasons.

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 James, Bosh and Wade take up to close enough the entire salary cap.  Duncan, Ginobili and Parker are around half the salary cap.  The superstar Spurs make plenty of money but they play as a team and don’t make loud statements, and compared to them the three big Heat players went out of their way to be loud and promise 7 or 8 titles.  So until the 7 or 8 titles are won the fans in the NBA will remind the Heat that they didn’t do what they said they would.

LeBron at least got to play in the NBA Finals with his father, Greg Oden, and few players can say that.

It wasn’t James’ fault they lost, as Wade’s play and Bosh’s rebounding and no bench and the struggling point guards are the real reasons.  Miami adding help for LeBron could be difficult, they overpaid for Wade and Bosh this season and if they don’t opt out they will over pay them for two more seasons.

 

 

[tidhoParticipant]

Four straight finals is a great accomplishment, and 99% of the players in the league will never see two championships.  That said, being able to coast to the Finals is the pathetic East isn’t going to help their legacy, and a respectable two out of four after their ridiculous pep rally (not one, not two…..) isn’t going to garner any sympathy.

[tidhoParticipant]

Four straight finals is a great accomplishment, and 99% of the players in the league will never see two championships.  That said, being able to coast to the Finals is the pathetic East isn’t going to help their legacy, and a respectable two out of four after their ridiculous pep rally (not one, not two…..) isn’t going to garner any sympathy.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

[BigChamp12Participant]

This Lebron hate is ridiculous . The guy played very well. He played hard on both ends. He tried to will his team to wins every game. But when its 1 on 5, there’s nothing you can do about it. His supporting cast didn’t show up at all. Even if they were struggling on offense, they COULDVE played defense. But they were effortless. Lebron went on some great scoring runs each game, but they were pointless because it was him trading buckets with the entire Spurs team. When the greats are allowed to be great, they atleast have their teammates’ help on defense. But he didn’t get that help. The Heat lost but he clearly wasn’t the blame. They were outplayed, outclassed, outmatched, and outcoached. We knew the Spurs were better the entire season. They didn’t have the best record by luck. They’re the best.

Why is it a must we bash Lebron because the Heat. We all know its possible to lose and not be the blame. If these games were close and Lebron did not make plays to close it out, all the criticism would be warranted. But the games weren’t. They were straight beatdowns. Lebron still went on some great runs where he tried to be heroic but the Spurs as a team were just too much.

To say that winning 2 out of 4 finals in 4 years together is not good, better yet great, is pure hate. It doesn’t matter if you have the best player or not. Bottom line, the Spurs were better and proved it. We can say congrats to them without bashing Lebron.

[BigChamp12Participant]

This Lebron hate is ridiculous . The guy played very well. He played hard on both ends. He tried to will his team to wins every game. But when its 1 on 5, there’s nothing you can do about it. His supporting cast didn’t show up at all. Even if they were struggling on offense, they COULDVE played defense. But they were effortless. Lebron went on some great scoring runs each game, but they were pointless because it was him trading buckets with the entire Spurs team. When the greats are allowed to be great, they atleast have their teammates’ help on defense. But he didn’t get that help. The Heat lost but he clearly wasn’t the blame. They were outplayed, outclassed, outmatched, and outcoached. We knew the Spurs were better the entire season. They didn’t have the best record by luck. They’re the best.

Why is it a must we bash Lebron because the Heat. We all know its possible to lose and not be the blame. If these games were close and Lebron did not make plays to close it out, all the criticism would be warranted. But the games weren’t. They were straight beatdowns. Lebron still went on some great runs where he tried to be heroic but the Spurs as a team were just too much.

To say that winning 2 out of 4 finals in 4 years together is not good, better yet great, is pure hate. It doesn’t matter if you have the best player or not. Bottom line, the Spurs were better and proved it. We can say congrats to them without bashing Lebron.

[XYRYXParticipant]

The LeBron bashing goes a little bit too far for me. Yes he could have played the last 7 minutes after he played the entire game but there are two other guys getting paid 20 million to show up as well after the first quarter. 

I see the GOAT argument and the fact that Brons finals statistic doesn’t look very pretty but his TEAM lost and no one aside from him showed any signes of life in game 5. 

The only real knock I see against Bron is that the player he guarded mostly in the finals went to earn finals MVP after not beeing part of the so called big three himself on the Spurs team. 

This whole Heat team played horrible defense the entire series apart from one game. The Spurs ball movement is a thing of beauty and very hard to stop if stoppable at all but LeBrons defensive abilities are the only thing I really question after seeing Kawhi rise to borderline stardom now even if he still needs years to become great. My bold statement before the finals was that Kawhi will give Bron a very tough time and that he even torched him on the other end should make is think of how valuable Bron is defensively when needed.

[XYRYXParticipant]

The LeBron bashing goes a little bit too far for me. Yes he could have played the last 7 minutes after he played the entire game but there are two other guys getting paid 20 million to show up as well after the first quarter. 

I see the GOAT argument and the fact that Brons finals statistic doesn’t look very pretty but his TEAM lost and no one aside from him showed any signes of life in game 5. 

The only real knock I see against Bron is that the player he guarded mostly in the finals went to earn finals MVP after not beeing part of the so called big three himself on the Spurs team. 

This whole Heat team played horrible defense the entire series apart from one game. The Spurs ball movement is a thing of beauty and very hard to stop if stoppable at all but LeBrons defensive abilities are the only thing I really question after seeing Kawhi rise to borderline stardom now even if he still needs years to become great. My bold statement before the finals was that Kawhi will give Bron a very tough time and that he even torched him on the other end should make is think of how valuable Bron is defensively when needed.

[Jester87Participant]

LeBron spent most of his time in the second half of the series guarding Parker. He guarded Kawhi in the first games and Leonard wasn’t a factor on offense. The knock I have he was a bit sloppy on transition and off the ball defense both in game 1 and 3, though in game one heat and cramps might have held him back.

[Jester87Participant]

LeBron spent most of his time in the second half of the series guarding Parker. He guarded Kawhi in the first games and Leonard wasn’t a factor on offense. The knock I have he was a bit sloppy on transition and off the ball defense both in game 1 and 3, though in game one heat and cramps might have held him back.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I’ve heard some people say stupid stuff like he give up and quit on the team in the 4th quarter..Dude was clearly tired and frustrated with his teammates..And he played 400 more minutes in the series then any other Heat player….

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

I’ve heard some people say stupid stuff like he give up and quit on the team in the 4th quarter..Dude was clearly tired and frustrated with his teammates..And he played 400 more minutes in the series then any other Heat player….

[Jester87Participant]

yup, also he didn’t get any rest until the 4th quarter and had to guard Parker.

[Jester87Participant]

yup, also he didn’t get any rest until the 4th quarter and had to guard Parker.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Lebron was flat out tired,he played 400 more minutes then the next Heat player…He did all of the scoring,playmaking and he roamed alot on defense..He guarded Duncan,Parker and Leonard..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Lebron was flat out tired,he played 400 more minutes then the next Heat player…He did all of the scoring,playmaking and he roamed alot on defense..He guarded Duncan,Parker and Leonard..

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