[KHAM83Participant]

 If Warriors win in 7 games and LeBron continues putting up the numbers he’s been putting up, can LeBron still win the Finals MVP? It has happened once before, Jerry West 1969.  What are your thoughts?

 

 

[kingofbumsParticipant]

 Definitely deserves it but just not sure the NBA will do it. 

[kingofbumsParticipant]

 Definitely deserves it but just not sure the NBA will do it. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 By definition Lebron has been the most valuable player of the Finals. Without him the Cavs would of been swept 4-0 badly. Not sure NBA would do it but he deserves it. 

[Reptilian MonkParticipant]

 By definition Lebron has been the most valuable player of the Finals. Without him the Cavs would of been swept 4-0 badly. Not sure NBA would do it but he deserves it. 

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 You could make a case for it and he has clearly been the most valuable player in this series. I doubt it happens though.

It’d be interesting to see who would get it for golden state. Curry seems to be the logical choice but I think igoudala has been their best and most consistent player so far.

 

 

[kingofbumsParticipant]

 Iggy has been great but if its a warriors player getting finals mvp theres no way curry isnt getting it. No way.

[kingofbumsParticipant]

 Iggy has been great but if its a warriors player getting finals mvp theres no way curry isnt getting it. No way.

[Dazzling Dunks and Basketball BloopersParticipant]

 You could make a case for it and he has clearly been the most valuable player in this series. I doubt it happens though.

It’d be interesting to see who would get it for golden state. Curry seems to be the logical choice but I think igoudala has been their best and most consistent player so far.

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

 Curry making a pretty strong case for MVP if Golden State win it all.

[omphalosParticipant]

 Curry making a pretty strong case for MVP if Golden State win it all.

[nick5354Participant]

 He is currently averaging 36.6/12.4/8.8  over 5 games. Seriously don’t know how much more he can do. 

[nick5354Participant]

 He is currently averaging 36.6/12.4/8.8  over 5 games. Seriously don’t know how much more he can do. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Iggy probably should get it if golden State wins, but yeah there’s no way Curry wouldn’t get it. 

James probably deserves it, numbers hes putting up are historic and he’s hitting big shots. Keeping the team in games no matter what the Warriors do. Its actually sad how incapable the other players on his team are if they have to make decisions. 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Iggy probably should get it if golden State wins, but yeah there’s no way Curry wouldn’t get it. 

James probably deserves it, numbers hes putting up are historic and he’s hitting big shots. Keeping the team in games no matter what the Warriors do. Its actually sad how incapable the other players on his team are if they have to make decisions. 

 

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Just think even that little biy more and the Cavs win this series. Shame that Chump cost Cleveland the title.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Just think even that little biy more and the Cavs win this series. Shame that Chump cost Cleveland the title.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Just think even that little biy more and the Cavs win this series. Shame that Chump cost Cleveland the title.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Just think even that little biy more and the Cavs win this series. Shame that Chump cost Cleveland the title.

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 There used to be just Jerry West as a Finals MVP from the team that lost, although that series was 7 games.   But LeBron has to join him, if the Cavs lose.  If the Cavs win, he is MVP of course anyway.

Triple-doubles, three games of 40 or more points, LeBron is now hitting 3s, best player by far in the series.

For the best Warrior, until Game 5 it could have been Iguodala.  Now it is Curry.  But unless Curry scores 50 in the next game he isn’t near LeBron for Finals MVP.

LeBron played 50 minutes in one game, Curry hasn’t been over 44.  Cleveland might be a One Man Show but it is a good one and he deserves the MVP of the series even if his team doesn’t win.

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 There used to be just Jerry West as a Finals MVP from the team that lost, although that series was 7 games.   But LeBron has to join him, if the Cavs lose.  If the Cavs win, he is MVP of course anyway.

Triple-doubles, three games of 40 or more points, LeBron is now hitting 3s, best player by far in the series.

For the best Warrior, until Game 5 it could have been Iguodala.  Now it is Curry.  But unless Curry scores 50 in the next game he isn’t near LeBron for Finals MVP.

LeBron played 50 minutes in one game, Curry hasn’t been over 44.  Cleveland might be a One Man Show but it is a good one and he deserves the MVP of the series even if his team doesn’t win.

 

 

 

[cg085hParticipant]

Not impressed with Bron 4 reasons why!!!

1) Lebron is keeping games close by being a hot dog not saying it would make a difference or not if he let Smith create at times, but he would have some energy to finish games.

2)He changed the offense this series. Post every play stagnant offense. 

3)Yes he’s averaging ridiculous numbers but he’s throwing off the teams rythm especially Smith’s.

4) Lebron is coaching the team maybe he should make the proper adjustments and if you think Blatt is coaching your a fool.( Blatt is a puss).

 

 

[cg085hParticipant]

Not impressed with Bron 4 reasons why!!!

1) Lebron is keeping games close by being a hot dog not saying it would make a difference or not if he let Smith create at times, but he would have some energy to finish games.

2)He changed the offense this series. Post every play stagnant offense. 

3)Yes he’s averaging ridiculous numbers but he’s throwing off the teams rythm especially Smith’s.

4) Lebron is coaching the team maybe he should make the proper adjustments and if you think Blatt is coaching your a fool.( Blatt is a puss).

 

 

[MeloSwagParticipant]

 With all due respect to Lebron’s numbers and the impact he has on games let’s look at them realistically…never has any player in the NBA finals ever had control of the ball every single play of the game. Every offensive play is ran through him. He is putting up these numbers without any semblance of efficiency. He is 65-173 in the series. Reminiscent of the run Russel had with the depleted OKC team. Every play is Lebron with an ISO on the left wing, and deciding whether to shoot it, drive, or kick. The raw numbers are outrageous but I think they need to be taken with a grain of salt- I haven’t seen one game where after I thought "wow Lebron played great". He goes way too soft to the rim and has inconsistent touch within the paint. Not even taking into account how boring it is to watch him play-bull in a china shop comes to mind-no eloquence in his game- Jordan made basketball look pretty. I just want one ref to have the balls to actually start calling him for using his front arm or dropping his shoulder like he does every play. He is the most impactful player in the NBA because nobody else could win 2 games in the finals with his team around him but the numbers he’s putting up don’t mean what they would in a normal team setting IMO.

[Pro-21Participant]

 1. LeBron hasn’t been incredibly efficient, but playing the minutes he’s playing and the fact that he is the only shot creator on his team, it’s worth overlooking. We saw what happened when James Harden and KD had to handle great defensive teams by themselves … And their teams were still MUCH better than LeBron’s. (Harden Golden State) (KD 2013). They crumbled because it is a ridiculous amount of work to do. You have to be able to play and guard every position. Score like a SF, run the team like a point guard, defend everywhere, etc. No matter what people say Jordan could NOT do that, and never had to. Ever. Bron’s PER is probably 29 for this series, which is excellent. Win or lose, this series is proving LBJ is still the best in the league by a wide margin. He could literally take the 76ers to the finals. Literally.

2. If LeBron was on a normal team, let’s say, give him a hobbled kyrie… He’d shoot like 46% fg and be more efficient overall because he’d get more rest and have people to get him easy shots. The Cavs would’ve won the series. That hasn’t happened at all this series. He is literally responsible for everything good happening with the cavs. 

Usage rate is only misleading when the team has limited success. LeBrons taking a starting lineup with no starting quality offensive players to two wins against a statistically historically great team.

 

Sports jargon and "intangibles" aside, I just don’t see any way that someone could argue that he’s not at least the second greatest

[Pro-21Participant]

 1. LeBron hasn’t been incredibly efficient, but playing the minutes he’s playing and the fact that he is the only shot creator on his team, it’s worth overlooking. We saw what happened when James Harden and KD had to handle great defensive teams by themselves … And their teams were still MUCH better than LeBron’s. (Harden Golden State) (KD 2013). They crumbled because it is a ridiculous amount of work to do. You have to be able to play and guard every position. Score like a SF, run the team like a point guard, defend everywhere, etc. No matter what people say Jordan could NOT do that, and never had to. Ever. Bron’s PER is probably 29 for this series, which is excellent. Win or lose, this series is proving LBJ is still the best in the league by a wide margin. He could literally take the 76ers to the finals. Literally.

2. If LeBron was on a normal team, let’s say, give him a hobbled kyrie… He’d shoot like 46% fg and be more efficient overall because he’d get more rest and have people to get him easy shots. The Cavs would’ve won the series. That hasn’t happened at all this series. He is literally responsible for everything good happening with the cavs. 

Usage rate is only misleading when the team has limited success. LeBrons taking a starting lineup with no starting quality offensive players to two wins against a statistically historically great team.

 

Sports jargon and "intangibles" aside, I just don’t see any way that someone could argue that he’s not at least the second greatest

[MeloSwagParticipant]

 With all due respect to Lebron’s numbers and the impact he has on games let’s look at them realistically…never has any player in the NBA finals ever had control of the ball every single play of the game. Every offensive play is ran through him. He is putting up these numbers without any semblance of efficiency. He is 65-173 in the series. Reminiscent of the run Russel had with the depleted OKC team. Every play is Lebron with an ISO on the left wing, and deciding whether to shoot it, drive, or kick. The raw numbers are outrageous but I think they need to be taken with a grain of salt- I haven’t seen one game where after I thought "wow Lebron played great". He goes way too soft to the rim and has inconsistent touch within the paint. Not even taking into account how boring it is to watch him play-bull in a china shop comes to mind-no eloquence in his game- Jordan made basketball look pretty. I just want one ref to have the balls to actually start calling him for using his front arm or dropping his shoulder like he does every play. He is the most impactful player in the NBA because nobody else could win 2 games in the finals with his team around him but the numbers he’s putting up don’t mean what they would in a normal team setting IMO.

[NYK2010Participant]

 Lebron runs every play and the Cavs are playing small.

Basically he is the point PF now and yes he is dominating when smaller guys like Klay Thompson or Livingston are on him. However Iggy is more than holding his own and you are right on when you say he’s using his front arm or dropping his shoulder. If the Warriors double him and the shooters miss shots this series wouldn’t be close even. Kerr finally doubled in Game 4 and it made a huge difference. I’ve never seen a guy run the offense every play he’s on the floor basically. Delly and Shump have a couple of drives with Lebron taking a break on the side but that is rare. Game 4 they went to Mozgov inside but Game 5 he gets 9 mins which is crazy.

He would be MVP only if they won and w/out Kyrie he doesn’t put up crazy numbers caz he wouldn’t be dominatin the ball as much.

 

 

[NYK2010Participant]

 Lebron runs every play and the Cavs are playing small.

Basically he is the point PF now and yes he is dominating when smaller guys like Klay Thompson or Livingston are on him. However Iggy is more than holding his own and you are right on when you say he’s using his front arm or dropping his shoulder. If the Warriors double him and the shooters miss shots this series wouldn’t be close even. Kerr finally doubled in Game 4 and it made a huge difference. I’ve never seen a guy run the offense every play he’s on the floor basically. Delly and Shump have a couple of drives with Lebron taking a break on the side but that is rare. Game 4 they went to Mozgov inside but Game 5 he gets 9 mins which is crazy.

He would be MVP only if they won and w/out Kyrie he doesn’t put up crazy numbers caz he wouldn’t be dominatin the ball as much.

 

 

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The logic just isn’t there to be honest. How can you give someone the finals MVP when they still lost? It doesn’t matter that this Cav’s team won two games, the outcome is still the same whether LeBron played great or LeBron played bad. I also think it’s discrediting to the Warriors as a team, who are playing decent basketball, and have had players really step up to contribute to team success. 

I think after tonight Curry sealed the deal if Goldon State can hold on. He’s averaging 26.2/5.8/5/1.6 on 45/41/94 shooting percentages with 4.4 3pnters made…LeBrons playing good, but not that good to where you can dismiss what Curry has done, and both players have had one terrible game worth forgetting about. 

There is still a lot of basketball to be played though, so we’ll see

[mgreener_34Participant]

 The logic just isn’t there to be honest. How can you give someone the finals MVP when they still lost? It doesn’t matter that this Cav’s team won two games, the outcome is still the same whether LeBron played great or LeBron played bad. I also think it’s discrediting to the Warriors as a team, who are playing decent basketball, and have had players really step up to contribute to team success. 

I think after tonight Curry sealed the deal if Goldon State can hold on. He’s averaging 26.2/5.8/5/1.6 on 45/41/94 shooting percentages with 4.4 3pnters made…LeBrons playing good, but not that good to where you can dismiss what Curry has done, and both players have had one terrible game worth forgetting about. 

There is still a lot of basketball to be played though, so we’ll see

[Pro-21Participant]

 Seriously

[Pro-21Participant]

 Seriously

[omphalosParticipant]

Basically, you can’t play the "woulda coulda shoulda" game with the Finals MVP.

You don’t know if they team would have won with Kyrie or if Lebron would have played way better.

Kyrie is a much worse defensive player than Dellavedova, who knows what Curry might have done with Irving in.

Maybe the team wouldn’t have rallied to steal those two games if Irving doesn’t go down?

You can only look at what is actually happening, which is Lebron putting up great raw numbers through a huge amount of shot attempts and ball-dominance.

He was a very efficient post player in the past, not so much this time.

Plus, he disappears in the final minutes of games, in wins and losses.

I remember Lebron saying something along the lines of "if I shot 35+ times in a game I’d be getting 50", earlier in the season.

Well, the fact is that he isn’t getting 50, he’s shooting a terrible percentage, his inability to hit the outside shot again is making it easy for Golden State to load up the paint for his drives and help off him when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

Curry had a rough couple of games with Delly on him, but he’s played his best with the games on the line, he’s handling the ball a whole lot less.

If Golden State wins it in six games, then I think you gotta give it to someone from their team, probably Curry if he has another big game.

If the Cavaliers can take it to 7, then you can make a case for Lebron to win it on the losing team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[omphalosParticipant]

Basically, you can’t play the "woulda coulda shoulda" game with the Finals MVP.

You don’t know if they team would have won with Kyrie or if Lebron would have played way better.

Kyrie is a much worse defensive player than Dellavedova, who knows what Curry might have done with Irving in.

Maybe the team wouldn’t have rallied to steal those two games if Irving doesn’t go down?

You can only look at what is actually happening, which is Lebron putting up great raw numbers through a huge amount of shot attempts and ball-dominance.

He was a very efficient post player in the past, not so much this time.

Plus, he disappears in the final minutes of games, in wins and losses.

I remember Lebron saying something along the lines of "if I shot 35+ times in a game I’d be getting 50", earlier in the season.

Well, the fact is that he isn’t getting 50, he’s shooting a terrible percentage, his inability to hit the outside shot again is making it easy for Golden State to load up the paint for his drives and help off him when he doesn’t have the ball in his hands.

Curry had a rough couple of games with Delly on him, but he’s played his best with the games on the line, he’s handling the ball a whole lot less.

If Golden State wins it in six games, then I think you gotta give it to someone from their team, probably Curry if he has another big game.

If the Cavaliers can take it to 7, then you can make a case for Lebron to win it on the losing team.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Pro-21Participant]

 Unless Cavs win. 

[Pro-21Participant]

 Unless Cavs win. 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Hellll nawwww… Get real. LBJ has been a beast, but like it’s been said above. He’s literally dominated the ball damn near every possession and played hero ball every game. Have we ever seen this type of ball dominance before? Of course he’s going to put up numbers playing like that. He’s averaging 37 points, but he’s taking 33 shots per game to get them. I think he’s played a great all-around game, but he’s not the MVP IF they lose. No way. 

MUCH props to Iggy, but give that boy Curry the MVP if he keeps this up and they close out. He’s only had one bad game tbh. You have to give him credit. He’s been doubled/trapped all series, but yet has still found a way to get off while making the right plays. Last night, he was unbelievable. All 7 of his made threes last night were contested lol. 

 

 

 

 

 

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Hellll nawwww… Get real. LBJ has been a beast, but like it’s been said above. He’s literally dominated the ball damn near every possession and played hero ball every game. Have we ever seen this type of ball dominance before? Of course he’s going to put up numbers playing like that. He’s averaging 37 points, but he’s taking 33 shots per game to get them. I think he’s played a great all-around game, but he’s not the MVP IF they lose. No way. 

MUCH props to Iggy, but give that boy Curry the MVP if he keeps this up and they close out. He’s only had one bad game tbh. You have to give him credit. He’s been doubled/trapped all series, but yet has still found a way to get off while making the right plays. Last night, he was unbelievable. All 7 of his made threes last night were contested lol. 

 

 

 

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If the media is at the point where it is trying to find reasons to vote for someone else for the regular season MVP, don’t you think they will be inclined to vote for someone to give it to someone on Golden State (assuming they win)?

I think he should get the Finals MVP because there can be no real argument for who the best player on the floor is.

People have to understand that efficiency is a statistical measure that is limited to what gets recorded. You cannot record the limitations of Thompson, Mozgov, Dellavedova, Jones, Miller, JR, and Shumpert in a box score. He is carrying a terrible team to unprecedented heights, and I don’t think he should be criticized for the journey not looking easy.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If the media is at the point where it is trying to find reasons to vote for someone else for the regular season MVP, don’t you think they will be inclined to vote for someone to give it to someone on Golden State (assuming they win)?

I think he should get the Finals MVP because there can be no real argument for who the best player on the floor is.

People have to understand that efficiency is a statistical measure that is limited to what gets recorded. You cannot record the limitations of Thompson, Mozgov, Dellavedova, Jones, Miller, JR, and Shumpert in a box score. He is carrying a terrible team to unprecedented heights, and I don’t think he should be criticized for the journey not looking easy.

[nill650Participant]

 hes almost averaging a triple double… noone else on either team can claim that. 

curry did make some rediculously difficult shots in game 5 despite a fairly lackluster 1-4 games. but thats not enough unless he goes for 40 and they win in 6 ..

but I don’t see that happenning…gsw winning in 6 anyway.  more likely in 7 if it all. 

Lebron and company are not finished yet. and i am sick of the bashing of the rest of the cavs roster just because irving, and love are out.  this team has played phenominal defense against the best offense in the league in gsw.

either way the cavs are diminished and in a hole…but that does’nt put them out does it.

James will put up 50 on tuesday…wether that equates to a championship with the pathetic oracle arena officiating bias or not is yet to be determined, but if lebron doesnt win the mvp, they should give it to dellevedova.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nill650Participant]

 hes almost averaging a triple double… noone else on either team can claim that. 

curry did make some rediculously difficult shots in game 5 despite a fairly lackluster 1-4 games. but thats not enough unless he goes for 40 and they win in 6 ..

but I don’t see that happenning…gsw winning in 6 anyway.  more likely in 7 if it all. 

Lebron and company are not finished yet. and i am sick of the bashing of the rest of the cavs roster just because irving, and love are out.  this team has played phenominal defense against the best offense in the league in gsw.

either way the cavs are diminished and in a hole…but that does’nt put them out does it.

James will put up 50 on tuesday…wether that equates to a championship with the pathetic oracle arena officiating bias or not is yet to be determined, but if lebron doesnt win the mvp, they should give it to dellevedova.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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