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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 4:05am #61919

I May Be WrongParticipantIt got about 20 seconds on the NBA TV highlight reel… and deservingly so. It was tough to watch. I need to just vent about my Sixers and maybe get a hug or something. *pours a 40oz out for the homies*
Now, I’m okay with losing. I’m fully aware of the process and support the Sixers 100%. I’m even okay losing by a lot to a team who should be in the playoff hunt led by an outstanding all-star like Paul George. But what I saw last night was a team not showing effort and it was disgusting to watch. Just Monday, against the Mavs, we put up a good fight before Dirk (and some bad calls by the refs) took over. But I was happy. The effort was there.
Then Wednesday comes along and OOMPF! no effort. Now, keep in mind, we have had some injuries to deal with this season (Wroten, Marshall, Noel, Holmes, Covington). But we can’t be the losers of the league who don’t try! If we’re the lovable losers meaning every night, a team knows they’re going to have to put in the effort to beat a team like the Sixers because they are scrappy and have nothing to lose, I would be totally fine if we went 0-82. But yesterday, the Pacers were just toying with us. I’ve been a big supporter of Brett Brown, who doesn’t deserve to be fired given the situation, but I’m starting to wonder if he’s losing the players. There is also something I don’t understand on his offensive sets where pretty much Noel or Okafor are starting out on the 3 point line.. why not start early in the post with them? And the players confidence is shot! Mostly Stauskas, who gets looks but deseperately needs a breakout game and consistency. #RIPtohisanklesBTW
Okay, I apologize. I want this team to succeed. I’m patient and I still have faith in everything. I know brighter days are ahead. But for the love of god, someone give us a W so I can stop drowning my sorrows in Twinkies 🙁
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 4:45am #1025571
Bossy13ParticipantThey had 31 turnovers yesterday.
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 4:57am #1025579

I May Be WrongParticipantyup, I lost track at 18 in the first half. 18!! That’s concerning. I think we had 27 against the Mavs on Monday. I’m hoping this embarrasing loss lights a fire in them for the Hornets.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 4:57am #1025715

I May Be WrongParticipantyup, I lost track at 18 in the first half. 18!! That’s concerning. I think we had 27 against the Mavs on Monday. I’m hoping this embarrasing loss lights a fire in them for the Hornets.
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 4:45am #1025708
Bossy13ParticipantThey had 31 turnovers yesterday.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:00am #1025583
NBAjunkie81ParticipantI watched a lot of that game b/c I wanted to check out PG13 last night…. I have Never seen worse basketball…. They have 27 & 31 Turn Overs in their last 2 games… Nerlens Noel is not even used any more at the Offensive end…. so his Defense is suffering…. Their guards have to be the worst in NBA history & I am not exaggerating…. Okafor was playing great & got them within 3 points at 36 – 33…. Over the next quarter & a 1/2 Indiana outscored Phila 43 – 12 & Okafor did NOT touch the ball once during that time…. How is that possible???
To sum it up – we are all Draftnicks so we watch Summer League games… Summer League games are sloppy & terrible b/c other than a handful of prospects…. It’s mostly young guys trying too desperately to be noticed & earn a contract – Anywhere….. So they ignore teammates, jack up shots from anywhere & play ZERO defense – …… That’s what I saw last night watching the Sixers…. The Pacers could have won that game by 60 points…..
I just do Not understand why Isaiah Canaan, Hollis Thomas & Jakaar Sampson are jacking up shots from everywhere & Noel takes ONLY 3 shots & Okafor ONLY takes 11…. I thought you guys were developing your young guys???
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:12am #1025585

I May Be WrongParticipantAgreeing on you about Noel and Okafor. I would like to see them get a bulk of our shots. Between those two, maybe 30 shots minimum (20 to Jahzilla and 10 to the Fresh Prince) … unfortunately, the personnel we have to accompany them are not working.
I see our roster right now with maybe 5-6 NBA quality players:
Okafor – a cornerstone piece to build around for the future
Noel – a starter who will be our defensive anchor for the future
Covington – a solid back up shooter / rotational player
McConnell – this is biased but I love the way he proves people wrong and makes smart decisions. With that being said, he’s most likely a back up or 3rd string point guard on 99% of teams
Grant – solid bench player who can bring energy AND has been improving steaidly. I like him
Embiid – I hope and pray his injury days will come to an end. He’s a keeper based on potential alone.
The rest of the roster is a toss up. I really wanted Hinkie to make a play for an under the radar player and give him a chance. He did get Stauskas which was awesome. But he’s too shook up right now so I’m not sure how the Sixers are going to handle that. I wanted them to get a point guard like Cory Joseph or make a trade for Schroeder. I think they are calculated risks that would be worth it. But, no signs of trying for the Sixers.
Ah man.. it’s tough. (And the Eagles season doesn’t make it better). Help us draft gods!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:12am #1025721

I May Be WrongParticipantAgreeing on you about Noel and Okafor. I would like to see them get a bulk of our shots. Between those two, maybe 30 shots minimum (20 to Jahzilla and 10 to the Fresh Prince) … unfortunately, the personnel we have to accompany them are not working.
I see our roster right now with maybe 5-6 NBA quality players:
Okafor – a cornerstone piece to build around for the future
Noel – a starter who will be our defensive anchor for the future
Covington – a solid back up shooter / rotational player
McConnell – this is biased but I love the way he proves people wrong and makes smart decisions. With that being said, he’s most likely a back up or 3rd string point guard on 99% of teams
Grant – solid bench player who can bring energy AND has been improving steaidly. I like him
Embiid – I hope and pray his injury days will come to an end. He’s a keeper based on potential alone.
The rest of the roster is a toss up. I really wanted Hinkie to make a play for an under the radar player and give him a chance. He did get Stauskas which was awesome. But he’s too shook up right now so I’m not sure how the Sixers are going to handle that. I wanted them to get a point guard like Cory Joseph or make a trade for Schroeder. I think they are calculated risks that would be worth it. But, no signs of trying for the Sixers.
Ah man.. it’s tough. (And the Eagles season doesn’t make it better). Help us draft gods!
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:00am #1025719
NBAjunkie81ParticipantI watched a lot of that game b/c I wanted to check out PG13 last night…. I have Never seen worse basketball…. They have 27 & 31 Turn Overs in their last 2 games… Nerlens Noel is not even used any more at the Offensive end…. so his Defense is suffering…. Their guards have to be the worst in NBA history & I am not exaggerating…. Okafor was playing great & got them within 3 points at 36 – 33…. Over the next quarter & a 1/2 Indiana outscored Phila 43 – 12 & Okafor did NOT touch the ball once during that time…. How is that possible???
To sum it up – we are all Draftnicks so we watch Summer League games… Summer League games are sloppy & terrible b/c other than a handful of prospects…. It’s mostly young guys trying too desperately to be noticed & earn a contract – Anywhere….. So they ignore teammates, jack up shots from anywhere & play ZERO defense – …… That’s what I saw last night watching the Sixers…. The Pacers could have won that game by 60 points…..
I just do Not understand why Isaiah Canaan, Hollis Thomas & Jakaar Sampson are jacking up shots from everywhere & Noel takes ONLY 3 shots & Okafor ONLY takes 11…. I thought you guys were developing your young guys???
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:28am #1025587

tuck243Participantyou can’t really expect players to bring effort EVERY game. That’s part of the issues tanking for the future has. Players get used to losing. I don’t think you can be upset at the players for that…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:28am #1025723

tuck243Participantyou can’t really expect players to bring effort EVERY game. That’s part of the issues tanking for the future has. Players get used to losing. I don’t think you can be upset at the players for that…
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:45am #1025593
circumlocution75ParticipantBig Jah is sooooo good… I luv watching him play – he has moves for days…. Did you see the play he made last night where he scored after a One Handed ball Fake – in the Post!…. & Okafor gets almost No calls yet from the Refs…. He is a scoring machine!…. & he LEADS the Sixers in Blocked shots! & he is shooting 63.3% from the free throw line – which is respectable…. Okafor is an absolute stud….
I feel terrible for him though (&Nerlens Noel)….that he plays for the Sixers….. It seems like they are playing a pick up game in the park…. it’s total amatuer hour…… Last night, I watched Isaiah Canaan & Jakar Sampson on back to back plays look right at Okafor who was calling for the ball in the post, look right thru him…. play hero ball instead….. dribble around for 10-15 seconds refusing to pass to anyone….. miss the shot…… & then Refuse to Hustle back on defense…… & Both times, their Defensive assignment scored an easy, uncontested lay up…. & the coach did nothing….. It’s as if he just said UCK it!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:45am #1025729
circumlocution75ParticipantBig Jah is sooooo good… I luv watching him play – he has moves for days…. Did you see the play he made last night where he scored after a One Handed ball Fake – in the Post!…. & Okafor gets almost No calls yet from the Refs…. He is a scoring machine!…. & he LEADS the Sixers in Blocked shots! & he is shooting 63.3% from the free throw line – which is respectable…. Okafor is an absolute stud….
I feel terrible for him though (&Nerlens Noel)….that he plays for the Sixers….. It seems like they are playing a pick up game in the park…. it’s total amatuer hour…… Last night, I watched Isaiah Canaan & Jakar Sampson on back to back plays look right at Okafor who was calling for the ball in the post, look right thru him…. play hero ball instead….. dribble around for 10-15 seconds refusing to pass to anyone….. miss the shot…… & then Refuse to Hustle back on defense…… & Both times, their Defensive assignment scored an easy, uncontested lay up…. & the coach did nothing….. It’s as if he just said UCK it!
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:54am #1025597

trombonematrix43ParticipantYeah, Canaan makes me want to re consider my choices in life. Aside from that it is very frustrating to watch Okafor do what he does best and then he clearly should be just given the ball as often as possible. Noel was really impressing me with his offensive game stating the year(in context to where he was last year). He developed a decent jump shot and his free throw shooting was better. Other then that…I’m not really sure what’s going on and why they won’t get those guys the ball more. *shrugs*. Try scotch Hodor, it helps me through the pain of being a Philly fan at this point of year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 5:54am #1025733

trombonematrix43ParticipantYeah, Canaan makes me want to re consider my choices in life. Aside from that it is very frustrating to watch Okafor do what he does best and then he clearly should be just given the ball as often as possible. Noel was really impressing me with his offensive game stating the year(in context to where he was last year). He developed a decent jump shot and his free throw shooting was better. Other then that…I’m not really sure what’s going on and why they won’t get those guys the ball more. *shrugs*. Try scotch Hodor, it helps me through the pain of being a Philly fan at this point of year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 6:23am #1025609
FrankStalloneChristian Wood, undrafted, is putting up very solid per 36 minute numbers for PHI. Way better than Kaminsky, for example. 43% 3pt shooting, 16pp36, 1.5 steals, 1.5 blocks, 10.4 rebounds, pretty good numbers, and a much lower +/- per 36 than Okafor or McConnell, or a lot of other rookies for that matter.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 6:23am #1025745
FrankStalloneChristian Wood, undrafted, is putting up very solid per 36 minute numbers for PHI. Way better than Kaminsky, for example. 43% 3pt shooting, 16pp36, 1.5 steals, 1.5 blocks, 10.4 rebounds, pretty good numbers, and a much lower +/- per 36 than Okafor or McConnell, or a lot of other rookies for that matter.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:00am #1025619

RUDEBOY_Participantwhat will happen first,warriors losing a game or 76’ers winning a game?
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:19am #1025625

I May Be WrongParticipantBoy the Nets almost pulled a shocker if Brook Lopez made that shot during regulation a few nights back lol
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:19am #1025761

I May Be WrongParticipantBoy the Nets almost pulled a shocker if Brook Lopez made that shot during regulation a few nights back lol
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:00am #1025755

RUDEBOY_Participantwhat will happen first,warriors losing a game or 76’ers winning a game?
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:05am #1025621
Magic JordanParticipantAs a Lakers fan I feel the pain of watching dog shit every night. Even though the two teams are essentially getting the same results, I believe the way the 76ers are approaching it could end up being more detrimental to the young players long term. Since Marshall and Wroten haven’t yet played, they have what I consider 5 or 6 NBA rotation players on their roster, and that might be generous giving how little Stauskas has showed.
Okafor, Noel, Grant, Holmes, Covington, maybe Mcconell/Stauskas. For a few of those guys I am sure they have just accepted losing at this point, not exactly something you want your young guys to become comfortable with.
They have a quality coach in my eyes. The whole league knows he is good, how long will he be alright losing?
Without any veterans on the roster to keep the young guys grounded, or teaching them how to deal with losing, I imagine it feels hopeless for a bunch of young guys who have most likely been not only winning, but dominating most of their lives.
I still can’t believe the 76ers fans are so gung ho and die hard about this strategy that Hinkie is using. Sure, as far as accumulating talent it seems like a good idea. But it doesn’t seem like anybody has stopped to think about the mental aspect or toll that it would take on players and if there is any permanent damage that can be done.
It’s almost just as much a social experiment as it is a team building experiment. I still don’t personally think it will work out, as even in the best case of the 76ers getting two top 5 picks this year, and then another the year after that. By the time the players are actually ready to contribute to wins…. the coach will be burnt out, they will have deeply established a losing culture and players won’t want to be there.
Futhermore, there is no proof that Hinkie can actually assemble a winning team. We do know he is good at accumulating draft picks. We don’t even know yet if he is good at using them. 3 of his lottery choices missed their 1st years. All of his picks fell into his laps, with Embiid being the only real reach if you want to consider him that.
Of course, 76er fans don’t seem to care about any of this, and that’s their thing. As a Lakers fan, I would ultimately rather have the plethora of 76ers picks coming up…. I think. Even that is hard for me to say. Lakers have NBA players at least, they just don’t have an NBA coach.
At least Philly can rest easy knowing they will be getting a couple of more cracks at picks. I ultimately don’t think it will matter and this experiement will fail, but we won’t know for another 5 or 6 years.
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:34am #1025631

I May Be WrongParticipantHinkie’s Houston Track Record, via a post on LibertyBallers (SB Nation)
2009 Houston was active in 2009, looking to win Tracy McGrady’s first postseason series. In an attempt to re-up for the playoffs, the Rockets traded Rafer Alston, who at this point was pretty solid, to the Orlando Magic and received Brian Cook in return along with Kyle Lowry from the Memphis Grizzlies. The move brought Lowry to Houston, a guy who the Rockets had coveted since he left Villanova in 2006. Another move to get younger.
2010 The T-Mac era ended with the 2010 NBA Trade Deadline. The Rockets traded him and Joey Dorsey and waived Garrett Temple in order to acquire a future NY 1st, Hilton Armstrong, Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries from the New York Knicks and Kevin Martin from the Sacramento Kings. The Knicks pulled the trigger on the deal to get McGrady’s expiring deal to make cap room for LeBron James that summer — we know how that turned out — and the Rockets moved on from an era of competitiveness but a failure to truly contend by getting back three nice young prospects, New York’s 2012 first-round pick and the right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011. Unfortunately for Houston, that 2012 draft pick turned out to be Royce White.
2011 This time, Houston traded Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks and Ish Smith in two separate deals with the Memphis Grizzlies and Phoneix Suns to acquire DeMarre Carroll, Goran Dragic, Hasheem Thabeet and two future first round picks from both the Grizz and Suns. The Rockets dealt proven veterans to take chances on three young prospects and future picks. Dragic has clearly turned into an excellent player, though he’s back with the Suns. Those future picks helped Houston deal for James Harden in 2013.
2012 For the first year in Hinkie’s time with the Rockets, Houston stood pat at the deadline. Obviously, they were salivating over the idea of Harden becoming available in just a few more months.
2013 With Harden on board and Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik pried from their respective previous teams, the Rockets made a deal in 2013 to create cap space for Dwight Howard that summer. Houston traded Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas to acquire Francisco Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt and Thomas Robinson in a two separate deals with the Sacramento Kings and Phoenix Suns. Houston later dealt Robinson to Portland to create more cap wiggle room. That ended with Dwight.
So yeah, I mean I’m just using this for reference but I’m kind of impressed with what he was able to accomplish. Of course, he would like to strike gold again and capitalize on a player who may be in a tough spot and can take the next step like he did with James Harden. But regardless, I think he does have a good track record that can warrant some of his moves so far.
But I will agree with you on a lot of points. Veteran leadership – last year we had Luc Richard and J-Rich on the roster. Both of whom did not have any bad feelings towards the Sixers. In fact, J-Rich was a class act and thanked the organization and fans. Now we only have Landry, who may not even play. Veteran help to mentor some guys would be much needed right now but it doesn’t look like they’ll be making a move for an older player any time soon.
And as far the mental factor, that is a concern for me as well. Especially for Jahlil. They’re going to have to make a move and get him some pieces that can help him succeed this year.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:34am #1025767

I May Be WrongParticipantHinkie’s Houston Track Record, via a post on LibertyBallers (SB Nation)
2009 Houston was active in 2009, looking to win Tracy McGrady’s first postseason series. In an attempt to re-up for the playoffs, the Rockets traded Rafer Alston, who at this point was pretty solid, to the Orlando Magic and received Brian Cook in return along with Kyle Lowry from the Memphis Grizzlies. The move brought Lowry to Houston, a guy who the Rockets had coveted since he left Villanova in 2006. Another move to get younger.
2010 The T-Mac era ended with the 2010 NBA Trade Deadline. The Rockets traded him and Joey Dorsey and waived Garrett Temple in order to acquire a future NY 1st, Hilton Armstrong, Jordan Hill and Jared Jeffries from the New York Knicks and Kevin Martin from the Sacramento Kings. The Knicks pulled the trigger on the deal to get McGrady’s expiring deal to make cap room for LeBron James that summer — we know how that turned out — and the Rockets moved on from an era of competitiveness but a failure to truly contend by getting back three nice young prospects, New York’s 2012 first-round pick and the right to swap picks with the Knicks in 2011. Unfortunately for Houston, that 2012 draft pick turned out to be Royce White.
2011 This time, Houston traded Shane Battier, Aaron Brooks and Ish Smith in two separate deals with the Memphis Grizzlies and Phoneix Suns to acquire DeMarre Carroll, Goran Dragic, Hasheem Thabeet and two future first round picks from both the Grizz and Suns. The Rockets dealt proven veterans to take chances on three young prospects and future picks. Dragic has clearly turned into an excellent player, though he’s back with the Suns. Those future picks helped Houston deal for James Harden in 2013.
2012 For the first year in Hinkie’s time with the Rockets, Houston stood pat at the deadline. Obviously, they were salivating over the idea of Harden becoming available in just a few more months.
2013 With Harden on board and Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik pried from their respective previous teams, the Rockets made a deal in 2013 to create cap space for Dwight Howard that summer. Houston traded Patrick Patterson, Marcus Morris, Cole Aldrich and Toney Douglas to acquire Francisco Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt and Thomas Robinson in a two separate deals with the Sacramento Kings and Phoenix Suns. Houston later dealt Robinson to Portland to create more cap wiggle room. That ended with Dwight.
So yeah, I mean I’m just using this for reference but I’m kind of impressed with what he was able to accomplish. Of course, he would like to strike gold again and capitalize on a player who may be in a tough spot and can take the next step like he did with James Harden. But regardless, I think he does have a good track record that can warrant some of his moves so far.
But I will agree with you on a lot of points. Veteran leadership – last year we had Luc Richard and J-Rich on the roster. Both of whom did not have any bad feelings towards the Sixers. In fact, J-Rich was a class act and thanked the organization and fans. Now we only have Landry, who may not even play. Veteran help to mentor some guys would be much needed right now but it doesn’t look like they’ll be making a move for an older player any time soon.
And as far the mental factor, that is a concern for me as well. Especially for Jahlil. They’re going to have to make a move and get him some pieces that can help him succeed this year.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 11/20/2015 - 3:42pm #1026054
TeslaBallerParticipantWhat are talking about when you say things like: just accepted losing by this point, losing culture, is there any permanent damage that can be done.
This idea of a "losing culture" is nonsense, especially in a team. Name 1 group of professional athletes that had a "losing culture" and I’ll name a group of weak minded, quitters and sheep who not only couldn’t help themselves but were so poorly managed and coached that the people in charge couldn’t read the writing on the wall and allowed the unthinkable to happen.
Are there certain players/people who will quit and not give effort because they feel the outcome is already determined, certainly. But I think it’s fair to say the vast majority of professional athletes don’t subscribe to that kind of thinking. It’s even more difficult than the statistics tell us, to make it to the professional level if you do fall victim to that way of thinking. If you are 1 of those players/people I would rather find out as soon as possible so I can remove you from my team.
"Permanent damage" are you kidding. You’ve got to have a short memory in basketball. You will get crossed over, dunked on and embarrassed; you will lose games and seasons. Only 1 team/15 players have a winning season every year. I think everyone in the NBA knows this, it not a secret, and the people that get "permanent damage" from losing, they fizzle out of the league quickly.
If Brett Brown is a "quality coach" like you said then no one will suffer "permanent damage", "accept losing" or be a party to a "losing culture". As a 76ers fan I’m not sold on Brown but he would have to be an epic failure for any of your worries to come true.
As long as that Lakers draft pick conveys this year and the 76ers end up with any 2 of the top 6 projected players in the draft I’ll be ecstatic. Hopefully a draft and stash euro prospect and a legitimate NBA guard, we have 1, with the Thunder and Heat picks. Maybe 1 more year in the lottery after this year then it will be time to win.
0 - Posted on: Fri, 11/20/2015 - 3:42pm #1025919
TeslaBallerParticipantWhat are talking about when you say things like: just accepted losing by this point, losing culture, is there any permanent damage that can be done.
This idea of a "losing culture" is nonsense, especially in a team. Name 1 group of professional athletes that had a "losing culture" and I’ll name a group of weak minded, quitters and sheep who not only couldn’t help themselves but were so poorly managed and coached that the people in charge couldn’t read the writing on the wall and allowed the unthinkable to happen.
Are there certain players/people who will quit and not give effort because they feel the outcome is already determined, certainly. But I think it’s fair to say the vast majority of professional athletes don’t subscribe to that kind of thinking. It’s even more difficult than the statistics tell us, to make it to the professional level if you do fall victim to that way of thinking. If you are 1 of those players/people I would rather find out as soon as possible so I can remove you from my team.
"Permanent damage" are you kidding. You’ve got to have a short memory in basketball. You will get crossed over, dunked on and embarrassed; you will lose games and seasons. Only 1 team/15 players have a winning season every year. I think everyone in the NBA knows this, it not a secret, and the people that get "permanent damage" from losing, they fizzle out of the league quickly.
If Brett Brown is a "quality coach" like you said then no one will suffer "permanent damage", "accept losing" or be a party to a "losing culture". As a 76ers fan I’m not sold on Brown but he would have to be an epic failure for any of your worries to come true.
As long as that Lakers draft pick conveys this year and the 76ers end up with any 2 of the top 6 projected players in the draft I’ll be ecstatic. Hopefully a draft and stash euro prospect and a legitimate NBA guard, we have 1, with the Thunder and Heat picks. Maybe 1 more year in the lottery after this year then it will be time to win.
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:05am #1025757
Magic JordanParticipantAs a Lakers fan I feel the pain of watching dog shit every night. Even though the two teams are essentially getting the same results, I believe the way the 76ers are approaching it could end up being more detrimental to the young players long term. Since Marshall and Wroten haven’t yet played, they have what I consider 5 or 6 NBA rotation players on their roster, and that might be generous giving how little Stauskas has showed.
Okafor, Noel, Grant, Holmes, Covington, maybe Mcconell/Stauskas. For a few of those guys I am sure they have just accepted losing at this point, not exactly something you want your young guys to become comfortable with.
They have a quality coach in my eyes. The whole league knows he is good, how long will he be alright losing?
Without any veterans on the roster to keep the young guys grounded, or teaching them how to deal with losing, I imagine it feels hopeless for a bunch of young guys who have most likely been not only winning, but dominating most of their lives.
I still can’t believe the 76ers fans are so gung ho and die hard about this strategy that Hinkie is using. Sure, as far as accumulating talent it seems like a good idea. But it doesn’t seem like anybody has stopped to think about the mental aspect or toll that it would take on players and if there is any permanent damage that can be done.
It’s almost just as much a social experiment as it is a team building experiment. I still don’t personally think it will work out, as even in the best case of the 76ers getting two top 5 picks this year, and then another the year after that. By the time the players are actually ready to contribute to wins…. the coach will be burnt out, they will have deeply established a losing culture and players won’t want to be there.
Futhermore, there is no proof that Hinkie can actually assemble a winning team. We do know he is good at accumulating draft picks. We don’t even know yet if he is good at using them. 3 of his lottery choices missed their 1st years. All of his picks fell into his laps, with Embiid being the only real reach if you want to consider him that.
Of course, 76er fans don’t seem to care about any of this, and that’s their thing. As a Lakers fan, I would ultimately rather have the plethora of 76ers picks coming up…. I think. Even that is hard for me to say. Lakers have NBA players at least, they just don’t have an NBA coach.
At least Philly can rest easy knowing they will be getting a couple of more cracks at picks. I ultimately don’t think it will matter and this experiement will fail, but we won’t know for another 5 or 6 years.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:15am #1025623
FrankStalloneChristian Wood 15 Points Full Highlights (11/13/2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ2A350X_nE
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:15am #1025759
FrankStalloneChristian Wood 15 Points Full Highlights (11/13/2015) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ2A350X_nE
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:33am #1025629
UnbiasedObserverParticipantWhat the Sixers are doing is a complete joke… making a mockery of basketball and pretty much intentionally losing. They are destroying the confidence of their players, they are coming up on a losing team in a losing culture and that is never good for any kids psyche. Sixers deserve to get the worst pick they can possibly get in the lottery for such despicable basketball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:33am #1025765
UnbiasedObserverParticipantWhat the Sixers are doing is a complete joke… making a mockery of basketball and pretty much intentionally losing. They are destroying the confidence of their players, they are coming up on a losing team in a losing culture and that is never good for any kids psyche. Sixers deserve to get the worst pick they can possibly get in the lottery for such despicable basketball.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:54am #1025637

TRC1991ParticipantSam Hinkie chose not to take any guards in the past few drafts and trade Michael Carter-Williams for more "future picks" which he ends up wasting on European players anyways
His idiotic plan didn’t work, it isn’t working and it won’t work.
fire that complete LOSER now.
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 8:13am #1025638

I May Be WrongParticipantI truly liked MCW. He performed admirably in his short time with the Sixers has a good passer (without having many people to pass to) and a good defender. Horrible shooter but that’s an area he’s working on.
With that being said, he was not going to be THAT guy. He hasn’t made a tremendous impact on the Bucks like how some had thought. His jumper is still broke and assists are relatively the same. His 13.3 ppg and 5.2 apg are solid but do they scream potential franchise player to you? He can still be a good piece and is a hell of a lot better than anyone else on our roster. But we traded him and got the Lakers pick (top 3 protected this year). So if we get some draft luck and land the 4th spot, we can look back and start comparing MCW vs ______ (meaning whoever we draft). This is a discussion that is left for debate at a much later time in my opinion.
And we drafted one big in the first round last year (JAH-ggernaut). There is speculation that the Sixers knew that Embiid would be out longer prior to the draft. And maybe they threw smoke screens to get Jahlil and make the Lakers draft Russell because that was how I pictured us drafting D’Lo. None of the other picks (Miami or OKC) conveyed like we had hoped but they most likely will this year. In the second round, we drafted more bigs but only Richan Holmes was worth it. And it’s pretty damn early to tell on the other second rounders but I never really value them too much to begin with.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 8:13am #1025775

I May Be WrongParticipantI truly liked MCW. He performed admirably in his short time with the Sixers has a good passer (without having many people to pass to) and a good defender. Horrible shooter but that’s an area he’s working on.
With that being said, he was not going to be THAT guy. He hasn’t made a tremendous impact on the Bucks like how some had thought. His jumper is still broke and assists are relatively the same. His 13.3 ppg and 5.2 apg are solid but do they scream potential franchise player to you? He can still be a good piece and is a hell of a lot better than anyone else on our roster. But we traded him and got the Lakers pick (top 3 protected this year). So if we get some draft luck and land the 4th spot, we can look back and start comparing MCW vs ______ (meaning whoever we draft). This is a discussion that is left for debate at a much later time in my opinion.
And we drafted one big in the first round last year (JAH-ggernaut). There is speculation that the Sixers knew that Embiid would be out longer prior to the draft. And maybe they threw smoke screens to get Jahlil and make the Lakers draft Russell because that was how I pictured us drafting D’Lo. None of the other picks (Miami or OKC) conveyed like we had hoped but they most likely will this year. In the second round, we drafted more bigs but only Richan Holmes was worth it. And it’s pretty damn early to tell on the other second rounders but I never really value them too much to begin with.
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 7:54am #1025773

TRC1991ParticipantSam Hinkie chose not to take any guards in the past few drafts and trade Michael Carter-Williams for more "future picks" which he ends up wasting on European players anyways
His idiotic plan didn’t work, it isn’t working and it won’t work.
fire that complete LOSER now.
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 9:15am #1025644
circumlocution75Participantthe Sixers could have done based on all they gave up for Bynum…. but you have to put a couple true professionals on that team…. It felt like those guards just tuned out the coach last night…. & started playing hero ball….
Why did you guys get rid of Ish Smith???
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 9:39am #1025650

I May Be WrongParticipantNo negs here! lol
I’m not sure what happened with Ish Smith (maybe a contract issues) but I did want to keep him over Caanan at least. Him and Noel had good chemistry in the pick and roll game last season.
That Bynum trade set us back so much. That wasn’t a Hinkie move but people like to act like it was for whatever reason. I want to forget about this chapter in our history lol
0- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 1:54pm #1025814
circumlocution75Participant& I really believe that the anger directed at Hinkie should be pointed at Doug Collins for giving up so much…. & if you think about, he did the Bynum trade to make up for the Evan Turner #2 overall selection in 2010….
But I would seriously be worried about Noel’s development…. in those final 25 or 30 games after the MCW trade, Noel looked fantastic & his stats were outrageous…. He averaged 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 asists, 2.3 steals & 2.5 blocks & shot 50% FG%…. Noel was just dynamic & he was a stat stuffer….
I really believe that if you guys can get through this year & continue to develop Noel & Okafor & even maybe Stauskus then you have reinforcements coming next fall & you guys will hopefully, finally turn the corner… I know it’s a lot of "ifs" but if you guys get Embiid up & running, & you have some luck in the Draft & get all those picks next June,
I can see you guys winning 30 games next year & the city will be buzzing with excitement b/c you’ll have n up & coming young team…..
I hope for the best, b/c what I saw last night was a team that was not competetive…. & if that continues, that situation could get really ugly….
0 - Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 1:54pm #1025677
circumlocution75Participant& I really believe that the anger directed at Hinkie should be pointed at Doug Collins for giving up so much…. & if you think about, he did the Bynum trade to make up for the Evan Turner #2 overall selection in 2010….
But I would seriously be worried about Noel’s development…. in those final 25 or 30 games after the MCW trade, Noel looked fantastic & his stats were outrageous…. He averaged 13.5 points, 10.5 rebounds, 2.1 asists, 2.3 steals & 2.5 blocks & shot 50% FG%…. Noel was just dynamic & he was a stat stuffer….
I really believe that if you guys can get through this year & continue to develop Noel & Okafor & even maybe Stauskus then you have reinforcements coming next fall & you guys will hopefully, finally turn the corner… I know it’s a lot of "ifs" but if you guys get Embiid up & running, & you have some luck in the Draft & get all those picks next June,
I can see you guys winning 30 games next year & the city will be buzzing with excitement b/c you’ll have n up & coming young team…..
I hope for the best, b/c what I saw last night was a team that was not competetive…. & if that continues, that situation could get really ugly….
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 9:39am #1025787

I May Be WrongParticipantNo negs here! lol
I’m not sure what happened with Ish Smith (maybe a contract issues) but I did want to keep him over Caanan at least. Him and Noel had good chemistry in the pick and roll game last season.
That Bynum trade set us back so much. That wasn’t a Hinkie move but people like to act like it was for whatever reason. I want to forget about this chapter in our history lol
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- Posted on: Thu, 11/19/2015 - 9:15am #1025781
circumlocution75Participantthe Sixers could have done based on all they gave up for Bynum…. but you have to put a couple true professionals on that team…. It felt like those guards just tuned out the coach last night…. & started playing hero ball….
Why did you guys get rid of Ish Smith???
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