[hoopgeniusParticipant]

 As we watch this young Jayhawks team come into their own we see how good they are.  We see the development of Wiggins Embiid and Tharpe as they gain confidence every game.  Here’s a little known name that will put them over the top, BRANNEN GREENE.  He’s a 6-7 freshman jumbo shooting Gaurd who can also take over point Gaurd duties for short stretches.  As I watch kansas I notice this kid instantly although he gets limited minutes I expect for him to breakout very soon and solidify himself in the rotation and be that knock down perimeter shooter the Jayhawks are lacking.  This kid will be a star, 6-7 with a handle and unlimited range ala Klay Thompson.

[M-EazyParticipant]

I agree with Greene.  Another name to remember is Frank Mason.  Mason’s defense and PG skills will be key in March for Kansas.  Crazy thing is Mason was a ball hog that played no defense at Petersburg HS.

[M-EazyParticipant]

I agree with Greene.  Another name to remember is Frank Mason.  Mason’s defense and PG skills will be key in March for Kansas.  Crazy thing is Mason was a ball hog that played no defense at Petersburg HS.

[JoeWolf1]

I respectfully disagree at the ceiling of Brannen Greene. He is a tall sharp shooter, but just because he can handle the ball a bit does not mean he has point guard capabilities. Greene is a 3 or 4 year player, but he has a future in the NBA because of his size and shooting. Klay Thompson? No way, but a Kyle Korver type player is not out of his grasp. A James Southerland type player also within his grasp if he doesn’t reach his full potential. 

Mason, I refer to as a homeless man’s Derrick Rose. He’s fearless and attacks the rim with no hesitation. This leads to both big plays and idiotic turnovers. I love his on ball defense. I have a tough time thinking of an 18 year old point guard who’s come into the NCAA game with that kind of defensive prowess. Mason is definitely a 4 year player. He’s 5’10”, is still a combo with limited shooting ability, but is a great athlete and could maybe make it on as did Peyton Silva after 4 years with Pitino.

[JoeWolf1]

I respectfully disagree at the ceiling of Brannen Greene. He is a tall sharp shooter, but just because he can handle the ball a bit does not mean he has point guard capabilities. Greene is a 3 or 4 year player, but he has a future in the NBA because of his size and shooting. Klay Thompson? No way, but a Kyle Korver type player is not out of his grasp. A James Southerland type player also within his grasp if he doesn’t reach his full potential. 

Mason, I refer to as a homeless man’s Derrick Rose. He’s fearless and attacks the rim with no hesitation. This leads to both big plays and idiotic turnovers. I love his on ball defense. I have a tough time thinking of an 18 year old point guard who’s come into the NCAA game with that kind of defensive prowess. Mason is definitely a 4 year player. He’s 5’10”, is still a combo with limited shooting ability, but is a great athlete and could maybe make it on as did Peyton Silva after 4 years with Pitino.

[hoopgeniusParticipant]

 He has ran the point on several occasions this season.  Obviously not your typical point Gaurd who will break a defense down and make a play but a guy who can bring the ball up court and get the team into an offense set.  He’s much closer to a Klay Thompson ceiling than a Kyle Korver given his ball handling abilities.  Southerland as a 4 year player just doesn’t have the same skill set,  totally different talent levels in my opinion.

[JoeWolf1]

   Bringing the ball up the court and having the ball at the top of the key is a lot different than playing point guard. When he’s in he’s always with Tharpe or Mason, or both. Greene has 8 TOs and 5 assists on the year. That doesn’t exactly scream future point guard. He’s really Wiggins’ backup at the 3 for about 10 mpg this year. I just think you’re vastly overrating his ability to handle the ball and make good decisions. Most of the time he’s on the court he camps out in the corners or is run off screens, exactly how Korver is used which is where I came up with that.

Southerland was a zone buster in college. As a freshman, 61% of his shots were three pointers, when compared to Greene’s 63%. Both players played between 6.5 and 7.5 mpg and their per 40 minute stats are very similar at the same point in their careers. I also suspect a guy like Greene needing a couple years of growth before making a double digit scoring impact. I think he’s a lot closer to Kyle Korver, honestly, but Korver is his best case IMO. 

When you look at Klay Thompson, even as a freshman, he was always a more well rounded offensive player. At Greene’s age, only 43% of his total shots were 3 pointers, with his highest collegiate clip being 44%. That is nearly a 20% difference in shot selection…doesn’t exactly scream similar player to me. A player who tallies more TO’s than assists, doesn’t scream point guard, especially in an era where shooting guards and small forwards are knocked if they can’t handle the ball well. 

Don’t get me wrong. I like Greene, and think he’ll be a very good college player with a good chance at having a long NBA career, but Klay Thompson is a different animal, in my opinion. He’s a 20 ppg scorer by his 3rd year, and has always been a more well roudned offensive player. I think given when I’ve seen from Greene, that Kyle Korver (as a ceiling) is much more realistic…and that’s not exactly a knock. Korver is one of the best 3 point shooters of his generation, and of all time.

 

[hoopgeniusParticipant]

 I see your a #s guy.  Only time will tell what BG pans out to be.  I’m making observations on what I "see", not what I "read".   Klay Thompson didn’t have Andrew Wiggins playing in front of him either.  Klay played 33min per his freshman season.  Maybe your statistics don’t account for "comfortability and confidence" that can only be gained with actual minutes on the floor……….

and as far as the PG observation, there is value in a guy who’s 6-7 and can handle bringing the ball up court, there’s a reason Wiggins hasn’t done it all season, because he can’t .  If a 6-7 combo Gaurd can get your team into offensive sets and be a solid defender (which is BGs biggest weakness but he’s improving every game) there is tremendous value in that, ala a Ron Harper type PG, Scottie Pippen type PG.  Lenghty Gaurd/forwards who can slide over to the Point at anytime and give their teams advantages in a number of ways, offensively, defensively, and even on the boards.

PLEASE DON’T TAKE MY SCOTTIE PIPPEN AND RON HARPER REFERENCES AS A COMPARISION TO BGs TALENT LEVEL OR CEILING BUT ONLY AS A COMPARISION TO WHAT I ENVISION WHEN I SAY BG CAN "RUN THE POINT FOR SHORT STINTS". 

[JoeWolf1]

 I "see" things differently than you, so I used numbers to back up my observations. I’ve watched every KU game this season, I’m not just basing my options of box scored and what I’ve "read." 

Its clear that we see Greene’s potential differently, but that doesn’t mean I "read" my opinions.

[JoeWolf1]

 I "see" things differently than you, so I used numbers to back up my observations. I’ve watched every KU game this season, I’m not just basing my options of box scored and what I’ve "read." 

Its clear that we see Greene’s potential differently, but that doesn’t mean I "read" my opinions.

[hoopgeniusParticipant]

 I see your a #s guy.  Only time will tell what BG pans out to be.  I’m making observations on what I "see", not what I "read".   Klay Thompson didn’t have Andrew Wiggins playing in front of him either.  Klay played 33min per his freshman season.  Maybe your statistics don’t account for "comfortability and confidence" that can only be gained with actual minutes on the floor……….

and as far as the PG observation, there is value in a guy who’s 6-7 and can handle bringing the ball up court, there’s a reason Wiggins hasn’t done it all season, because he can’t .  If a 6-7 combo Gaurd can get your team into offensive sets and be a solid defender (which is BGs biggest weakness but he’s improving every game) there is tremendous value in that, ala a Ron Harper type PG, Scottie Pippen type PG.  Lenghty Gaurd/forwards who can slide over to the Point at anytime and give their teams advantages in a number of ways, offensively, defensively, and even on the boards.

PLEASE DON’T TAKE MY SCOTTIE PIPPEN AND RON HARPER REFERENCES AS A COMPARISION TO BGs TALENT LEVEL OR CEILING BUT ONLY AS A COMPARISION TO WHAT I ENVISION WHEN I SAY BG CAN "RUN THE POINT FOR SHORT STINTS". 

[JoeWolf1]

   Bringing the ball up the court and having the ball at the top of the key is a lot different than playing point guard. When he’s in he’s always with Tharpe or Mason, or both. Greene has 8 TOs and 5 assists on the year. That doesn’t exactly scream future point guard. He’s really Wiggins’ backup at the 3 for about 10 mpg this year. I just think you’re vastly overrating his ability to handle the ball and make good decisions. Most of the time he’s on the court he camps out in the corners or is run off screens, exactly how Korver is used which is where I came up with that.

Southerland was a zone buster in college. As a freshman, 61% of his shots were three pointers, when compared to Greene’s 63%. Both players played between 6.5 and 7.5 mpg and their per 40 minute stats are very similar at the same point in their careers. I also suspect a guy like Greene needing a couple years of growth before making a double digit scoring impact. I think he’s a lot closer to Kyle Korver, honestly, but Korver is his best case IMO. 

When you look at Klay Thompson, even as a freshman, he was always a more well rounded offensive player. At Greene’s age, only 43% of his total shots were 3 pointers, with his highest collegiate clip being 44%. That is nearly a 20% difference in shot selection…doesn’t exactly scream similar player to me. A player who tallies more TO’s than assists, doesn’t scream point guard, especially in an era where shooting guards and small forwards are knocked if they can’t handle the ball well. 

Don’t get me wrong. I like Greene, and think he’ll be a very good college player with a good chance at having a long NBA career, but Klay Thompson is a different animal, in my opinion. He’s a 20 ppg scorer by his 3rd year, and has always been a more well roudned offensive player. I think given when I’ve seen from Greene, that Kyle Korver (as a ceiling) is much more realistic…and that’s not exactly a knock. Korver is one of the best 3 point shooters of his generation, and of all time.

 

[hoopgeniusParticipant]

 He has ran the point on several occasions this season.  Obviously not your typical point Gaurd who will break a defense down and make a play but a guy who can bring the ball up court and get the team into an offense set.  He’s much closer to a Klay Thompson ceiling than a Kyle Korver given his ball handling abilities.  Southerland as a 4 year player just doesn’t have the same skill set,  totally different talent levels in my opinion.

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Greene has NBA potential as a sharpshooter. Be very interesting to see, if Selden goes pro, whether Greene starts on the wing with Oubre next year or comes off the bench and Self starts Mason and Tharpe together. 

Mason right now is a SG in a PG’s body. You can tell he’s way more comfortable hunting his own shot than creating for others. I expect his perimeter shot to get better his 4 years at KU. He’ll be at least a 2-3 year starter at KU either next year starting alongside Tharpe or in a couple years when he takes over the PG duting. 

 
 

 

 

[Big_C_KUParticipant]

Greene has NBA potential as a sharpshooter. Be very interesting to see, if Selden goes pro, whether Greene starts on the wing with Oubre next year or comes off the bench and Self starts Mason and Tharpe together. 

Mason right now is a SG in a PG’s body. You can tell he’s way more comfortable hunting his own shot than creating for others. I expect his perimeter shot to get better his 4 years at KU. He’ll be at least a 2-3 year starter at KU either next year starting alongside Tharpe or in a couple years when he takes over the PG duting. 

 
 

 

 

[Jayhawks2011Participant]

 Mason won’t be a pro, but by his senior year he may be one of the top pg’s in the nation.  He is very similar to Sherron Collins attacking the rim, but needs to improve his outside shot.  He can d up almost any point guard and is a really tough kid.

 

I wrote about greene a few weeks ago. He is 6’7” and has a pretty quick trigger.  Many people don’t realize he was a top 30 recruit.  If selden leaves him and Oubre will be a very big wing combo, something self usually does not have. He loves having two ball handlers on the court, but I still believe the Greene will be a late first round pick after his junior year or he could stay all four.

What makes this Kansas recruiting class so great is we got two great one and dones in Embiid (maybe) and Wiggins.  Then they got a bunch of guys who are gonna stay a few years and be great players in Mason, Greeen, and Frankamp.  People on this site don’t talk about Frankamp, but in a few years when he gets stronger he will be one of the most hated players in the NCAA’s when he knocks down crazy three after crazy three.

 

 

 

[Jayhawks2011Participant]

 Mason won’t be a pro, but by his senior year he may be one of the top pg’s in the nation.  He is very similar to Sherron Collins attacking the rim, but needs to improve his outside shot.  He can d up almost any point guard and is a really tough kid.

 

I wrote about greene a few weeks ago. He is 6’7” and has a pretty quick trigger.  Many people don’t realize he was a top 30 recruit.  If selden leaves him and Oubre will be a very big wing combo, something self usually does not have. He loves having two ball handlers on the court, but I still believe the Greene will be a late first round pick after his junior year or he could stay all four.

What makes this Kansas recruiting class so great is we got two great one and dones in Embiid (maybe) and Wiggins.  Then they got a bunch of guys who are gonna stay a few years and be great players in Mason, Greeen, and Frankamp.  People on this site don’t talk about Frankamp, but in a few years when he gets stronger he will be one of the most hated players in the NCAA’s when he knocks down crazy three after crazy three.

 

 

 

[flopdownD]

He was an absolute stud when I saw him play in HS. Really talented kid with a Ray Allen looking jumper, I’m a fan, always have been

[flopdownD]

He was an absolute stud when I saw him play in HS. Really talented kid with a Ray Allen looking jumper, I’m a fan, always have been

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