[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

 

 Just heard some crazy rumor through the grapevine that the 76ers are 90% set on trading Noel AND Okafor on draft night, and they want Kris Dunn and Marquess Chriss? 

They are said to be reshaping their roster for the arrival of Ben Simmons and want to ship out young Centers Nerlens Noel and Jahlil Okafor, they are apparently doubling down on Joel Embiid being healthy and with Dario Saric also coming over, they feel like they can run them out there at PF and C, they are VERY high on Kris Dunn and likened him to D Wade coming out of Marquette, they believe in a duo of Dunn and Simmons and are prepared to trade Noel/Okafor to secure his draft rights…

Most of that has been talked about to death on the forum and other news outlets, the real shocker here is the fact they have fallen in love with a 3rd prospect and are willing to send off a 2nd 7 footer to land him, that prospect, is said to be recent riser Marquess Chriss out of Washington, they see him as the perfect stretch Pf/C off Dunn and Simmons, they figure Embiid will always be limited to play 24-28 minutes and solely at C, Chriss and Saric would split time at PF/C with Joel until one emerges as the Starter and the other the 6th man (ideally Chriss and Embiid start and Saric becomes the 6th man, but it could also work with Saric starting in place of Embiid)

Now I can’t imagine what’s in their plans right now, I’m a fan, but as an observant fan I know where there is smoke there is fire,Okafor is said to want out and Philadelphia wants to obliged in the right circumstances (Boston is said to not be an option for Both parties and for obvious reasons) 

We almost HAVE to trade Okafor, no matter how talented he his, he’s just not a good fit with Simmons who Brent Brown thinks can be Lebron Jr.

Noel almost has to go too, he is due for a new contract and Colangelo is said to want to ship him before having to lock him up long-term, and again they don’t think he’s a great fit next to Ben Simmons

The 3 Teams most likely to want Noel and Okafor with picks and pieces to send back to Philadelphia to secure Dunn and Chriss are…

1. Phoenix with the 4th pick (could use either Noel/Okafor if they don’t love Len as the starting C)

2 Wolves with the 5th pick (could definitely want either to pair with KAT, McHale loved Okafor last year, Thibbs would love Noel’s defensive versatility)

3. New Orleans with the 6th pick (could definitely use a C to slide AD to PF and create less wear and tear on his body, problem is they could likely use a young G or even a F like Chriss)

What does every one think about the 76ers shipping out both C’s on draft night for lottery picks Dunn and Chriss?

What does a team look like with Dunn/Simmons/Chriss/Saric/Embiid look like going forward IF they made this crazy town Trade?

FYI, I super intrigued by the thought of all the possibilities BUT IDK if I’d be okay with them trading Noel and Okafor on the same night, I can see them exploring all options but is this really one of them?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 For the love of God this sounds horrible. Wish Hinkie wasn’t forced out. 

[negguaryParticipant]

I just cant see them trading both, first and foremost, then for two unproven rookies at that. In addition to this, don’t see them trading for a pg like Kriss dunn to restructure the roster around simmons when they both are ball dominate and need the ball in their hands to be effective, and they both can’t shoot so you’re kind of creating spacing problems all over again just with different positrons .

[negguaryParticipant]

I just cant see them trading both, first and foremost, then for two unproven rookies at that. In addition to this, don’t see them trading for a pg like Kriss dunn to restructure the roster around simmons when they both are ball dominate and need the ball in their hands to be effective, and they both can’t shoot so you’re kind of creating spacing problems all over again just with different positrons .

[RollingWaveParticipant]

 This actually sounds like a Hinkie trade, a Byran Coangelo trade would be Noel for Teague and Okafor for some other super overrated vet .. let’s say Rudy Gay (I know the Kings can’t use Okafor but just an example.)

  

 

 

[RollingWaveParticipant]

 This actually sounds like a Hinkie trade, a Byran Coangelo trade would be Noel for Teague and Okafor for some other super overrated vet .. let’s say Rudy Gay (I know the Kings can’t use Okafor but just an example.)

  

 

 

[EndlessknightParticipant]

 For the love of God this sounds horrible. Wish Hinkie wasn’t forced out. 

[trelos6Participant]

 I’d stay put this offseason unless a godfather offer appears. 

In 2017, you can ship off Noel/Okafor (depending on how well Embiid,Saric play) for some draft picks. 

I think Dennis Smith, De’aron Fox, Markele Fultz, Lonzo Ball could all be better than Kris Dunn. 

 

Imagine if they land a top pick, trade Okafor for next year’s 5th pick. 

Going forward: Fultz, Jackson, Simmons, Noel, Embiid. Saric

[Butter13Participant]

 Lonzo Ball probably won’t be better than Kris Dunn….he’s basically Grevis Vazquez 2.0. 

[Butter13Participant]

 Lonzo Ball probably won’t be better than Kris Dunn….he’s basically Grevis Vazquez 2.0. 

[trelos6Participant]

 I’d stay put this offseason unless a godfather offer appears. 

In 2017, you can ship off Noel/Okafor (depending on how well Embiid,Saric play) for some draft picks. 

I think Dennis Smith, De’aron Fox, Markele Fultz, Lonzo Ball could all be better than Kris Dunn. 

 

Imagine if they land a top pick, trade Okafor for next year’s 5th pick. 

Going forward: Fultz, Jackson, Simmons, Noel, Embiid. Saric

[Hype Machine]

Id make that trade in a heartbeat if I were Philly. Dunn is the best player in the trade and Id back Chriss to leap into 1st or 2nd of the 4.

 

The clock is ticking on Dario Saric and rival teams know it. 76ers are going to be desperate and my guess is they get cents on Okafors Dollar. Eastern Conference teams for certain arent doing Philly any favors. 

Hes giving up 20-40m by joining on a Rookie Salary…which he wont do unless trades are made before the Summer League starts..i.e. draft night.

Saric has Philly by the nutsack cos he has all the leverage.

There has to be at least 25 mins waiting for him. With Simmons and Embiid alone eating up 65 frontcourt minutes that is only possible with Noel and Okafor out of the picture.

 Noel could be a servicable backup C, but Okafor is an Al Jeff/Greg Monroe type of back to the basket banger that costs coaches their job and leads to 35-47 seasons.

Pull the trigger!

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Simmons would play on the wing.

Noel is clearly a starting C with all defensive team potential.

 

And Okafor is taller, stronger, more athletic, and has a wingspan 6" longer then both Monroe and Jefferson plus he got 3/4s of his points facing up taking people off the dribble.  So basically hes actually nothing like Monroe or Jefferson.  Plus he avg over 17 points on 51% shooting as a 19 year old so hes efficient too.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 Simmons would play on the wing.

Noel is clearly a starting C with all defensive team potential.

 

And Okafor is taller, stronger, more athletic, and has a wingspan 6" longer then both Monroe and Jefferson plus he got 3/4s of his points facing up taking people off the dribble.  So basically hes actually nothing like Monroe or Jefferson.  Plus he avg over 17 points on 51% shooting as a 19 year old so hes efficient too.

 

 

 

 

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

But this is being talked about by every NBA news outlet(76ers shopping both Big Men)

We heard about Teague for Noel, we heard about Okafor to Boston for #3 and pieces, believe me there is probably 3-5 other trade offers out there…The writing is on the Wall, 1 or both big guys is getting shipped out on Draft Night

All signs point them taking a G like Dunn or Murray (Dunn was favored by Brent Brown, loved his potential in Defense and Fastbreak with Simmons)

Dunn could grow into a Lockdown PG that can also score 20ppg and would give the 76ers an instant Leader in the locker room, he and Ben could be a Wade/James like duo for the next 8-12 years…

Trading Noel or Okafor for the 4th-7th pick and drafting Kris Dunn to pair up with Ben Simmons seems to be Brent’s first choice (Dunn and his medical history have him falling just enough for Philadelphia to make a play for him in the lottery)

The Real sticking point is the fact they may be trading both Noel and Okafor and eying a 3rd Dark Horse prospect (rumor was Marquess Chriss although it could also be Buddy Hield)

Trading Okafor for #4 and taking Murray or Dunn makes sense although I think Celtics take Murray 3rd thus leaving us with Dunn at PG

Trading Noel for # 5-6-7 and taking Buddy Hield makes sense although I could see Noel traded for a vet in classic Colangelo fashion

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

But this is being talked about by every NBA news outlet(76ers shopping both Big Men)

We heard about Teague for Noel, we heard about Okafor to Boston for #3 and pieces, believe me there is probably 3-5 other trade offers out there…The writing is on the Wall, 1 or both big guys is getting shipped out on Draft Night

All signs point them taking a G like Dunn or Murray (Dunn was favored by Brent Brown, loved his potential in Defense and Fastbreak with Simmons)

Dunn could grow into a Lockdown PG that can also score 20ppg and would give the 76ers an instant Leader in the locker room, he and Ben could be a Wade/James like duo for the next 8-12 years…

Trading Noel or Okafor for the 4th-7th pick and drafting Kris Dunn to pair up with Ben Simmons seems to be Brent’s first choice (Dunn and his medical history have him falling just enough for Philadelphia to make a play for him in the lottery)

The Real sticking point is the fact they may be trading both Noel and Okafor and eying a 3rd Dark Horse prospect (rumor was Marquess Chriss although it could also be Buddy Hield)

Trading Okafor for #4 and taking Murray or Dunn makes sense although I think Celtics take Murray 3rd thus leaving us with Dunn at PG

Trading Noel for # 5-6-7 and taking Buddy Hield makes sense although I could see Noel traded for a vet in classic Colangelo fashion

[markfitz14Participant]

 If Noel is traded for a Vet. They might want to take a hard look at Brown. Give you that grunt player on the Defense with some decent slashing ability. Could guard SG and SF. That would be a pretty nice fit.

[markfitz14Participant]

 If Noel is traded for a Vet. They might want to take a hard look at Brown. Give you that grunt player on the Defense with some decent slashing ability. Could guard SG and SF. That would be a pretty nice fit.

[Hype Machine]

Id make that trade in a heartbeat if I were Philly. Dunn is the best player in the trade and Id back Chriss to leap into 1st or 2nd of the 4.

 

The clock is ticking on Dario Saric and rival teams know it. 76ers are going to be desperate and my guess is they get cents on Okafors Dollar. Eastern Conference teams for certain arent doing Philly any favors. 

Hes giving up 20-40m by joining on a Rookie Salary…which he wont do unless trades are made before the Summer League starts..i.e. draft night.

Saric has Philly by the nutsack cos he has all the leverage.

There has to be at least 25 mins waiting for him. With Simmons and Embiid alone eating up 65 frontcourt minutes that is only possible with Noel and Okafor out of the picture.

 Noel could be a servicable backup C, but Okafor is an Al Jeff/Greg Monroe type of back to the basket banger that costs coaches their job and leads to 35-47 seasons.

Pull the trigger!

 

[MopgrassParticipant]

"The Grapevine"… that’s as reputable as a peer reviewed study, right? 

Still, if Embiid ends up as good as suspected and remains healthy, they might have to get rid of Noel and Okafor eventually anyway. Just not today. Perhaps announcing they want to trade both is a way of stirring up interest or acquiring leverage. It would also make one think that Embiid is close to playing solid minutes. It could also be the ripping off if a bandaid that was always going to hang over their heads: the "when do we make room for Embiid?" bandaid. 

I shall entertain this notion by dismissing one portion: Chriss makes zero sense here. Saric and Simmons are already PF’s. They need shooting, shooting, shooting to pair with Simmons. Jamal Murray (they had that bizarre rumor of him going 1st) and Buddy Hield would be quite a pairing 3-point-wise (not sure how it gets done). Kris Dunn instead of Hield might be okay too. Getting Murray from the Celtics (plus Hunter & others) with Okafor sounds easy. I’m just not sure of Noel’s value: which team gives up a 1st for him? Minnesota? Phoenix? Pelicans (back to his the team that drafted him)? 

The last question is: who takes the Center minutes? Maybe they get a center in a trade or lower in the draft. Embiid won’t be giving them 30. 

[trelos6Participant]

 Okafor for James Young and RJ Hunter. 

These 2 young snipers will be hitting 3’s alp over the court. 

[benblitzParticipant]

Come on, Okafor for 2 guys who could be out of the league in a few years? Young and Hunter could very well end up like Stauskas and Jimmer

[benblitzParticipant]

Come on, Okafor for 2 guys who could be out of the league in a few years? Young and Hunter could very well end up like Stauskas and Jimmer

[trelos6Participant]

 Okafor for James Young and RJ Hunter. 

These 2 young snipers will be hitting 3’s alp over the court. 

[benny15Participant]

 concerning chriss, as much as i agree with you that he’s not a natural fit, i can see bryan colangelo being high on him. i mean, this is the same GM that drafted charlie villanueva when he had chris bosh already then took andrea bargnani first overall the following year. so it looks like that he doesnt mind fit with the current roster or has issues taking bigmen with range even when they dont rebound much or have a good motor

[dudo670Participant]

to  BC, his first draft in Toronto was 2006. CV was drafted before he came. 

 

Second of all, responding to OP, how many rookies can you roll out opening night? At some point you need guys who you know can play.

[dudo670Participant]

to  BC, his first draft in Toronto was 2006. CV was drafted before he came. 

 

Second of all, responding to OP, how many rookies can you roll out opening night? At some point you need guys who you know can play.

[benny15Participant]

 concerning chriss, as much as i agree with you that he’s not a natural fit, i can see bryan colangelo being high on him. i mean, this is the same GM that drafted charlie villanueva when he had chris bosh already then took andrea bargnani first overall the following year. so it looks like that he doesnt mind fit with the current roster or has issues taking bigmen with range even when they dont rebound much or have a good motor

[MopgrassParticipant]

"The Grapevine"… that’s as reputable as a peer reviewed study, right? 

Still, if Embiid ends up as good as suspected and remains healthy, they might have to get rid of Noel and Okafor eventually anyway. Just not today. Perhaps announcing they want to trade both is a way of stirring up interest or acquiring leverage. It would also make one think that Embiid is close to playing solid minutes. It could also be the ripping off if a bandaid that was always going to hang over their heads: the "when do we make room for Embiid?" bandaid. 

I shall entertain this notion by dismissing one portion: Chriss makes zero sense here. Saric and Simmons are already PF’s. They need shooting, shooting, shooting to pair with Simmons. Jamal Murray (they had that bizarre rumor of him going 1st) and Buddy Hield would be quite a pairing 3-point-wise (not sure how it gets done). Kris Dunn instead of Hield might be okay too. Getting Murray from the Celtics (plus Hunter & others) with Okafor sounds easy. I’m just not sure of Noel’s value: which team gives up a 1st for him? Minnesota? Phoenix? Pelicans (back to his the team that drafted him)? 

The last question is: who takes the Center minutes? Maybe they get a center in a trade or lower in the draft. Embiid won’t be giving them 30. 

[220Participant]

 I don’t see Minnesota trading their pick for Noel or Okafor as they already have Karl Anthony Towns and Gorgui Dieng.

I don’t see why the 76ers would be interested in Marquess Chriss considering the roster they already have. If the 76ers think Kris Dunn is a D-Wade level talent trading Okafor or Noel to get him makes perfect sense.

 

[220Participant]

 I don’t see Minnesota trading their pick for Noel or Okafor as they already have Karl Anthony Towns and Gorgui Dieng.

I don’t see why the 76ers would be interested in Marquess Chriss considering the roster they already have. If the 76ers think Kris Dunn is a D-Wade level talent trading Okafor or Noel to get him makes perfect sense.

 

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 You got a link for all this BS you posted? Not one mention of the Celtics, who have the 3rd pick and want Okafor..

[HobbyOGParticipant]

 You got a link for all this BS you posted? Not one mention of the Celtics, who have the 3rd pick and want Okafor..

[CDPHParticipant]

 This origional post and some of the follow-ups are some of the craziest posts I’ve ever seen on this forum.  

And that’s saying something.  

DEEP(ish) Thoughts

 

 

[CDPHParticipant]

 This origional post and some of the follow-ups are some of the craziest posts I’ve ever seen on this forum.  

And that’s saying something.  

DEEP(ish) Thoughts

 

 

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

Getting slept on. Proven himself throughout highschool, college, and the NBA.

1. Aside from Simmons, he’s the best player out of everyone involved. (Yes I’m including Embiid, Saric, Chriss, Dunn, and whoever else.)

2. There’s also a high chance he’ll have the best season next year out of everyone invloved. 

 

 

[Make’Em Say UGHParticipant]

Getting slept on. Proven himself throughout highschool, college, and the NBA.

1. Aside from Simmons, he’s the best player out of everyone involved. (Yes I’m including Embiid, Saric, Chriss, Dunn, and whoever else.)

2. There’s also a high chance he’ll have the best season next year out of everyone invloved. 

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I dont even know what to think because im similarly enchanted with the idea of pairing Simmons and Murray.  Murray is not only the perfect shooter to pair Simmons with but hes a stone cold clutch shot maker whose proven himself at different levels to be both a big time producer and winner.  Murray is a better prospect then Booker and Russell imo and I would of drafted him 3rd last year.  

If think you think im crazy just comparw Murrays freshman year stats and tape to Bookers and Russels and ask yourself who would of went highervlast year.  Tho Russel is a better ball handler and passer, Murray is more efficient and smarter

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I dont even know what to think because im similarly enchanted with the idea of pairing Simmons and Murray.  Murray is not only the perfect shooter to pair Simmons with but hes a stone cold clutch shot maker whose proven himself at different levels to be both a big time producer and winner.  Murray is a better prospect then Booker and Russell imo and I would of drafted him 3rd last year.  

If think you think im crazy just comparw Murrays freshman year stats and tape to Bookers and Russels and ask yourself who would of went highervlast year.  Tho Russel is a better ball handler and passer, Murray is more efficient and smarter

 

 

[Captain LParticipant]

 I agree the 6ers need to move Okafor & Noel and I could see them getting Murray , Rozier & a late 1st and maybe more for Okafor from Boston. Noel has his strengths but offense isn’t it, so I don’t see them getting as much for him, maybe the Pelicans would be interested, Orlando might want some rim protection and give 11 plus a player or future pick but project long rim protectors should still be on the board when the Magic pick ( Skal, Maker). Philly ha s a lot of assets and possibilities, things should be interesting , Murray  would be a great pickup for Philly IMO he could be the 3rd best player on the board. He can play both the 1& 2 & would be a great fit with Simmons. 

[Captain LParticipant]

 I agree the 6ers need to move Okafor & Noel and I could see them getting Murray , Rozier & a late 1st and maybe more for Okafor from Boston. Noel has his strengths but offense isn’t it, so I don’t see them getting as much for him, maybe the Pelicans would be interested, Orlando might want some rim protection and give 11 plus a player or future pick but project long rim protectors should still be on the board when the Magic pick ( Skal, Maker). Philly ha s a lot of assets and possibilities, things should be interesting , Murray  would be a great pickup for Philly IMO he could be the 3rd best player on the board. He can play both the 1& 2 & would be a great fit with Simmons. 

[nill650Participant]

 They are just shopping both because that is all they have to shop. 

[nill650Participant]

 They are just shopping both because that is all they have to shop. 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I just want them to turn Noels into Hield, Murray or Schroeder.  Id settle for Dunn.  

I dont want them to trade Okafor yet because I think him and Simmons would be great together and he could

 

  fit alongside Embiid where as Noels necer will. But If Dario is that good then id be okay with trading Okafor for Murray or Hield .

 

Hield and Murray both not only fit perfext wit Simmons and Embiid but they also would fit nice perfect next to any of the high profile guards coming out next year whereas Dunn wouldnt

 

 

 

 

[Mr. 19134Participant]

 I just want them to turn Noels into Hield, Murray or Schroeder.  Id settle for Dunn.  

I dont want them to trade Okafor yet because I think him and Simmons would be great together and he could

 

  fit alongside Embiid where as Noels necer will. But If Dario is that good then id be okay with trading Okafor for Murray or Hield .

 

Hield and Murray both not only fit perfext wit Simmons and Embiid but they also would fit nice perfect next to any of the high profile guards coming out next year whereas Dunn wouldnt

 

 

 

 

[220Participant]

 You really think Okafor could fit with Embiid, but Noel never could? I think offensively Okafor and Embiid could fit together, but they’ll never fit defensively in the age of stretch fours and the opposite is true of Noel. He fits defensively, but not offensively.

I agree the 76ers would be foolish if they don’t consider adding Jamal Murray or Buddy Hield because they have ready made skills that would help them fit with big men. I’m not as high on Dunn either, I’m curious if anyone else sees D-Wade in Dunn. If they do I doubt he goes past 3.

 

[220Participant]

 You really think Okafor could fit with Embiid, but Noel never could? I think offensively Okafor and Embiid could fit together, but they’ll never fit defensively in the age of stretch fours and the opposite is true of Noel. He fits defensively, but not offensively.

I agree the 76ers would be foolish if they don’t consider adding Jamal Murray or Buddy Hield because they have ready made skills that would help them fit with big men. I’m not as high on Dunn either, I’m curious if anyone else sees D-Wade in Dunn. If they do I doubt he goes past 3.

 

[VRod305Participant]

Okafor has range and so does Embiid (to 3-point range). The drills that Embiid does every day, he’s on the wing and driving to the basket or shooting (and over anyone). Noel has virtually no offensive game and no range.

I would like to see Noel go. I think he makes sense to Boston for the No. 3 pick. As far as the Saric thing…He doesn’t need to come over (financial reasons) and we don’t really need him to with so many bigs. It doesn’t matter.

As someone said though. The Colangelo move would be to trade them for mediocre vets. The whole thing about wanting to win games nonsense.

[VRod305Participant]

Okafor has range and so does Embiid (to 3-point range). The drills that Embiid does every day, he’s on the wing and driving to the basket or shooting (and over anyone). Noel has virtually no offensive game and no range.

I would like to see Noel go. I think he makes sense to Boston for the No. 3 pick. As far as the Saric thing…He doesn’t need to come over (financial reasons) and we don’t really need him to with so many bigs. It doesn’t matter.

As someone said though. The Colangelo move would be to trade them for mediocre vets. The whole thing about wanting to win games nonsense.

[markfitz14Participant]

 I wouldn’t be shocked to see them both gone. Top tier Guards and Wings are where its at right now anyway. Ecspecially if you have a top tier passing big like Simmons. 

Noel for Teague

Okafor to someone for Dunn-Since 76ers are said to like him

Teauge helps bridge gap untill Dunn takes over full time PG duties. Or insurance if Dunn doesn’t take over. 

I don’t see any reason you couldn’t play them both together anyway.

Teague, Dunn, Covington, Simmons/Saric, Embid 

 They can sign a FA Center to 2 or 3 year contract for a bridge until Embid is ready for more.

 

 

 

 

 

[markfitz14Participant]

 I wouldn’t be shocked to see them both gone. Top tier Guards and Wings are where its at right now anyway. Ecspecially if you have a top tier passing big like Simmons. 

Noel for Teague

Okafor to someone for Dunn-Since 76ers are said to like him

Teauge helps bridge gap untill Dunn takes over full time PG duties. Or insurance if Dunn doesn’t take over. 

I don’t see any reason you couldn’t play them both together anyway.

Teague, Dunn, Covington, Simmons/Saric, Embid 

 They can sign a FA Center to 2 or 3 year contract for a bridge until Embid is ready for more.

 

 

 

 

 

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Wouldn’t surprise me, they want to be a lot better next year. Colangelo seems like he wants to purge anything from the Hinkie era.

[TheLastWordParticipant]

 Wouldn’t surprise me, they want to be a lot better next year. Colangelo seems like he wants to purge anything from the Hinkie era.

[Untouchable JParticipant]

No. More. Forwards. Are you serious.

[Untouchable JParticipant]

No. More. Forwards. Are you serious.

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