[NBATalk20098Participant]

Jrue Holiday NBA Stat

G 82
MIN 33.5
FGM-A 436-1095
FG% 400
3PM-A 73-215
FTM-A 356-428
FT% 820
OFF 1.9
DEF 2.9
TOT 5.0
STL 1.44
BLK 15
TO 3.56
PF 2.40
AST 5.5
PTS 15.4

[JNixonParticipant]

He is NOTHING like Russell Westbrook, other than them being the same height. He will be a bust, I guarantee he will be a bad NBA player

[NBATalk20098Participant]

he not going to be a bust

[dwat4444Participant]

You can’t average 8 points in college and say your going to do more in the nba no matter how much people say that you were in a bad situation at UCLA

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Before everyone starts saying what a bust Jrue Holliday and saying how he is nothing like Westbrook other than a similar frame, I think they should closely compare the two. Jrue did not have a knockout freshman season like he was hyped too or that many people expected, but that could be more of Ben Howlands system, which has an emphasis on defense and the half court game. UCLA also had a depleted inside game, which would of course make life more difficult on the guards. Now, Holliday really did little to impress me in his freshman year, and I was hoping he might want to take another year to prepare before going to the NBA, but the dude can play. He does not have the athletic ability and speed of a Russell Westbrook, but he is no slouch and he could be a potentially solid player. He was compared a lot to Dwyane Wade while in high school, so the comparisons to Westbrook once he arrived at UCLA were inevitable. Also, as some food for thought, Russell Westbrook averaged 3.7 points per game his freshman year, as well as less than a point and rebound per game. His improvement the next season was huge, but it helped having Big Kevin Love, the Pac-10 player of the year and he still averaged a moderate 3.9 rpg, 4.3 apg, and 12.7 ppg. He dwarfed those numbers this season in a more up-tempo system. Now, again, I do not think Jrue Holliday is the next Russell Westbrook, but I could see him averaging close to what he did his freshman year in college or maybe slightly more in the right situation next year. His assists and rebounds were very close to Westbrooks sophomore stats and the guy has a good basketball IQ. I do not think he is ahead of some of the people who he is listed ahead of, but I do think the guy can be a solid player.

[unofficialscoutParticipant]

mikeyvthedon – great explanation, I can see that you have great basketball knowledge like myself. People forget that Westbrook hardly played his freshman season so Holiday actually had better numbers. I think that Holiday can develop into a solid point guard but I also agree that he could be a bust, he is one of the players that I am most undecided about his potential. Like Mikey said, Westbrook is definitely more explosive and athletic but I think Holiday has underrated basketball IQ.

[wowthisisneatParticipant]

i dont like the freshman comparisons because holiday was brought in as a top 5 recruit where westbrook was a 3 star recruit…they came in with very different expectations westbrook didnt really have any holiday didnt live up to his billing

[wowthisisneatParticipant]

i dont like the freshman comparisons because holiday was brought in as a top 5 recruit where westbrook was a 3 star recruit…they came in with very different expectations westbrook didnt really have any holiday didnt live up to his billing

[lilbags23511Participant]

holiday will be a player trust me and hes bigger than westbrook at 6’5 with shoes

[Lemons4LifeParticipant]

Holiday is waaaaaaaay better than what some amateur users on here know. First I would do some quality research, watch a tape of the player, and watch maybe 2 of his games. Otherwise great comparison NBAtalk just don’t listen to anybody else Holiday will prove them wrong in 6 months.

[bluedevils12Participant]

Jrue holiday will not be a bust in the nba. i agree with many when they say it had sumthing 2 do with howlands system becuz the kid can aboslutely hoop. now yea he had an underachieving maybe even horrible freshman season but scouts arent high on him for nuthing. this kid will be a decent player. not an all star but a solid guard in the nba.

[shipargosParticipant]

Westbrook is more explosive and atheltic, higher ceiling.
Holiday will be a good player, but not an allstar

[Tim49461Participant]

Can’t average 8 points and do anything in the Nba

Damn someone travel back to 83 and tell jordan his 14pg aint going to jack in the NBA….there is no way he averages over 30 for a career with 5 start season of over 33+….

[shipargosParticipant]

he is not even close to MJ, comparing the two is just nonsense.
Jordan was just exceptional, Holiday is just average, with an average height an average feel for the game, average offensive awareness… Jordan is Jordan, please dont disrespect one of the greatest players in history making such a comparison

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Man, Jrue seems like the most controversial player on this site….

People, Jrue is not Westbrook. He’s not going to be a SUPER STAR. if you’re expecting him to be one, then yes he’ll be a bust. If you’re expecting him to be a very solid role player, who, with time, could become a solid starter… that’s being more realistic.

Russell is an athletic anomaly. Nobody should be able to do the things he’s capable of doing on the basketball court. He has ridiculous wingspan, quickness, and elevation. He has the potential to be UNSTOPPABLE because of his physical gifts.

One area where the two have a lot in common, IMO, is the DOWN-TO-EARTH noggin on their shoulders. Both know that they are nowhere near their potentials and that they have a long way to go.

If AI would’ve ever worked as hard as RW, he probably would have been the best player of all-time. RW improved an INSANE amount between his Fr and Soph years, and then again between college and the pros. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen an escalation like Russell’s. Leave Jrue outta the BEAST that is Russell and let him be his own player.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

lol

[HaleParticipant]

Dude don’t call out AI, did gave everything he could and left it all out on the court. Just so happens that he kinda sucks now.

[bballdave3Participant]

You can’t really compare westbrook and holiday’s freshman years they didn’t plug westbrook into the starting lineup his freshman year like they did with holiday who underachieved. He’ll be a decent guard in the NBA, his size will be a major plus on the defensive end in the league, but hard to compare to Westbrook, when Westbrook’s athleticism is on a complete different level

[JNixonParticipant]

He wont be a valuable piece, he is looking like he will a lottery pick and thats too high for someone with his lack of production and the number of weaknesses he has to correct. He doesnt do ANYTHING at an NBA level except defend and you can find an undrafted free agent that will hustle and defend.

[Mr. BasketballParticipant]

westbrook upped his stats after leaving ucla for the nba. so can holiday. however westbrook’s athleticism makes him better suited for the nba than holiday.

[Tim49461Participant]

I am not comparing Jordan to Holiday and your idoit for thinking i was…i was making fun of the person who said he scored 8 points he can’t do anything when MJ score only 14 a game. i was showing him what a fool he was for thinking the college game is the same as the nba. I Mean cuse CP3 numbers were the same. everyone knew danny granger was going to score 25 pg. i mean EVERYOne saw D-wade turning into a Superstar…that was common sense when he was averaging 16pg in college.

Read into things a little more before u try to say what i said was stupid for comparing them.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

While your sarcasm was not lost on me, it was a little difficult to read into. I mean, when you are using Michael Jordan statistics as a comparison to people already saying that Jrue Holliday could likely better his college averages, it kind of seemed like it could be a comparison. I know that is not what you intended with this and your last post and you were just being sarcastic, but Michael Jordan did much better in college than people popularly believe. Maybe Dean Smith was the only guy to hold Michael below 20 (though Doug Collins did his darndest in Washington, lol), but Michael actually did average 20 his sophomore year and very near it that next year before going on to average 28.3 his rookie year. So, he averaged 17.7 per game in college (including 13.5 his freshman year if that is the 14 you are rounding up to), and yes, NBA superstars tend to score more points in the pros than they did in college. I guess the point I see people making is that when you set the bar at 8, how far can you really go up? But, I think with Jrue, while I do not think he is a Russell Westbrook, he could be a solid player who can fill up a stat sheet.

[The MantisParticipant]

Well, I thought Westbrook went too high last year and I was obviously wrong. I’m one of those who thinks Holiday is too high on the mock draft boards this year, so I could be wrong about that, as well. Here’s one thing I do think I’ll be right on, though. Holiday is MUCH less NBA-ready at this point than Westbrook was last year. He ain’t just gonna show up and be a solid NBA player right away. If he ever gets there, it’s gonna take a little while.

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

AI deserves to be called out. He barely improved once he got to the league, especially relative to a lot of other guys. He is SO talented.

“We’re talking about practice. Not a game, not a game. Practice”

That about sums it up right there. Allen didn’t know the first thing about becoming a better basketball player, or about making the people around him better. I’ll give you that he gives it all when he’s on the floor, but that doesn’t excuse not practicing and not putting in the time to be the best. His game has been the EXACT same since he’s gotten into the league. Volume shooter with a sick cross, and a lazy defender who goes for steals instead of stops. Inflated stats don’t win basketball games… practice does.

[birdman1113Participant]

if he decided to stay in school he could be better then Westbrook. Westbrook only avareged 3.8 points points a game his freshman year the next season it went to 12.8. if Holliday had decided to come back he would have got the starting job and would probaly score between 15 and 20 pts a game.

[JNixonParticipant]

Aaaaaahhhhhhh. Dammmnnnnn. LMFAO

[WrecklessParticipant]

LMAO, to funny.

[llperez]

why was this bumped?

[cycloParticipant]

JNixon-Iggy9 on Jrue Holiday:

“He will be a bust, I guarantee he will be a bad NBA player”

LOL

[JNixonParticipant]

Just for laughs, just for laughs……

[dipt1982Participant]

He won’t be a bust, but he won’t be Westbrook either. It is a fact that a lot of players seem to increase their production in the NBA, due to more minutes and wide open floor. The college game is primarily based on team defense, so when players hit the NBA, the floor is more open and gives some players a chance to excel in a different manor than they did in college.

Holiday is a decent PG, he won’t be an All Star, but he can be a solid piece to a team, not sure if it will be with the 6ers or not. Not even sure if he’s really a starter, but he has potential. People really read into summer league a little to much…

[McWinningParticipant]

I guess looking back i had a decent post here.

[ScareCrowsRevengeParticipant]

but damm that sucks that a lot of people Slept on Holiday…FYI….looking forward…Jrue is probally better than Westbrook at everything else but dunking a basketball…stop watching highlights and look at the game being played between the sidelines…Westbrook has had far more time and opportunity and his ceiling is not as high as Holiday’s IMO…

Westbrook=Rondo with far less passing ability…

Holiday=Payton with less attitude and swagger…

Rondo is nasty…But West can’t pass and rebound like Rondo can…I still think the Thunder have pieces in place make West a Champ…but he’s got to play more like Rondo and less like Westbrook…let KD be the star he is and try to get yourself the next KG by any means… If the thunder get a Elite PF/C type(dont know who’d be that guy but they’d win a ring very soon…Harden and Green are keys to the Ring IMO…they either get you a stud F/C or their growth or lack there of will pay off big or have everyone jump ship off the Thunder bandwagon…

[JNixonParticipant]

Jrue Holiday will never be better than Russell Westbrook….I might be wrong again, but I’ll take the chance on that one. He’s also not Gary Payton. More like a slightly lesser version of Chauncey Billups, which is pretty good still

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