Jonas Valanciunas: 7 and 4 against Poland

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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 7:51am #32899

Andrew1984
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To everyone who freaked out about Jonas Valanciunas’ numbers against children in the under 19 tournament:
Against adults he put up 7 and 4 in 18 minutes. Is he a decent prospect who has a chance to contribute in a few years? Sure. But all of you who saw his numbers against 18-year-olds, criticized the four teams who passed on him in the NBA draft, and acted like he’s a sure-fire dominant NBA center for years to come…enjoy plenty of nights of 7 and 4 for awhile.
Best-case scenario for JV: Rik Smits. Career 15 and 6, best year at about 18. Solid, nice touch, but overall, nothin’ special.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:12am #597154

shipargos
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I remenber Al Jefferson put that in his first year, maybe he is not as ready most thought, but he will grab near 10 rebounds in a couple of years of body building workouts, his offensive could turn to be shorter but most explosive Rick Smits.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:12am #597189

shipargos
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I remenber Al Jefferson put that in his first year, maybe he is not as ready most thought, but he will grab near 10 rebounds in a couple of years of body building workouts, his offensive could turn to be shorter but most explosive Rick Smits.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:12am #596712

shipargos
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I remenber Al Jefferson put that in his first year, maybe he is not as ready most thought, but he will grab near 10 rebounds in a couple of years of body building workouts, his offensive could turn to be shorter but most explosive Rick Smits.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:22am #597157

Tyrober
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This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:22am #597192

Tyrober
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This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:22am #596714

Tyrober
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This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:33am #597166

Andrew1984
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Yeah, and it was ridiculous to go crazy over a couple good games against 18-year-olds too. And when did I say how bad he is? My comment was that he is good prospect who will contribute and is similar to a player who was very solid in the NBA for 10 years.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:33am #597201

Andrew1984
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Yeah, and it was ridiculous to go crazy over a couple good games against 18-year-olds too. And when did I say how bad he is? My comment was that he is good prospect who will contribute and is similar to a player who was very solid in the NBA for 10 years.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:33am #596723

Andrew1984
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Yeah, and it was ridiculous to go crazy over a couple good games against 18-year-olds too. And when did I say how bad he is? My comment was that he is good prospect who will contribute and is similar to a player who was very solid in the NBA for 10 years.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:58am #596740

jeff416
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Who cares, he had a bad game. You can’t judge him on one game that you probably didn’t even watch. Sullinger had a game or two like that last year, and I’m sure Drummond will too, but they are both still top prospects.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:58am #597181

jeff416
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Who cares, he had a bad game. You can’t judge him on one game that you probably didn’t even watch. Sullinger had a game or two like that last year, and I’m sure Drummond will too, but they are both still top prospects.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 8:58am #597216

jeff416
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Who cares, he had a bad game. You can’t judge him on one game that you probably didn’t even watch. Sullinger had a game or two like that last year, and I’m sure Drummond will too, but they are both still top prospects.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 9:36am #597249

theTKOshow
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18 and 8 over 36 minutes sounds pretty good to me for a rookie. i agree with the fact that you cant say all teams screwed up for not taking him because noone knows where all the players will be 5 yrs from now. injuries, fame, etc get to young guys so the future will always be uncertain. you cant blame ppl for get excited about JV after the U19s because hes relatively unknown and proved to be better than those his age and thats a great start. plus as a raptors fan, i was one of many with tears of joy flowing down my cheeks seeing our centre of the not so distant future take pride in rebounding and playing defense.
i think the big thing to look at has to be that as a 19 yr old hes actually getting minutes on one of the favourites in the tournament. just practicing with the team and seeing what it takes to become elite should help in his development. plus id rather him not do so great so hes goes back motivated to work harder than to have this quick success get to his head.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 9:36am #596771

theTKOshow
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18 and 8 over 36 minutes sounds pretty good to me for a rookie. i agree with the fact that you cant say all teams screwed up for not taking him because noone knows where all the players will be 5 yrs from now. injuries, fame, etc get to young guys so the future will always be uncertain. you cant blame ppl for get excited about JV after the U19s because hes relatively unknown and proved to be better than those his age and thats a great start. plus as a raptors fan, i was one of many with tears of joy flowing down my cheeks seeing our centre of the not so distant future take pride in rebounding and playing defense.
i think the big thing to look at has to be that as a 19 yr old hes actually getting minutes on one of the favourites in the tournament. just practicing with the team and seeing what it takes to become elite should help in his development. plus id rather him not do so great so hes goes back motivated to work harder than to have this quick success get to his head.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 9:36am #597215

theTKOshow
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18 and 8 over 36 minutes sounds pretty good to me for a rookie. i agree with the fact that you cant say all teams screwed up for not taking him because noone knows where all the players will be 5 yrs from now. injuries, fame, etc get to young guys so the future will always be uncertain. you cant blame ppl for get excited about JV after the U19s because hes relatively unknown and proved to be better than those his age and thats a great start. plus as a raptors fan, i was one of many with tears of joy flowing down my cheeks seeing our centre of the not so distant future take pride in rebounding and playing defense.
i think the big thing to look at has to be that as a 19 yr old hes actually getting minutes on one of the favourites in the tournament. just practicing with the team and seeing what it takes to become elite should help in his development. plus id rather him not do so great so hes goes back motivated to work harder than to have this quick success get to his head.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:01am #597255

boffacheerios
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"This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud."
Hey bud, 7x 2=14. glad to see you made it past the 3rd grade though
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:01am #596777

boffacheerios
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"This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud."
Hey bud, 7x 2=14. glad to see you made it past the 3rd grade though
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:01am #597221

boffacheerios
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"This is ONE game. ONE. Give the kid a break. He had 7 and 4 in 18 minutes so his 36 minute average is 18 and 8 and your going to talk about how bad he is? If he averages 7 and 4 the rest of the tournament and comes to the NBA and averages 7 and 4 here for his Rookie year then you might be on to something. It is ridiculous to go crazy over 1 game bud."
Hey bud, 7x 2=14. glad to see you made it past the 3rd grade though
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:20am #597258

Mkadoza
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Rediculous to go crazy over one game? I seem to recall Tim Duncan comparisons when he was playing inferior competition. Again, he has the upside of a Nene type, without quite the same agility.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:20am #596780

Mkadoza
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Rediculous to go crazy over one game? I seem to recall Tim Duncan comparisons when he was playing inferior competition. Again, he has the upside of a Nene type, without quite the same agility.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:20am #597224

Mkadoza
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Rediculous to go crazy over one game? I seem to recall Tim Duncan comparisons when he was playing inferior competition. Again, he has the upside of a Nene type, without quite the same agility.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:03am #597248

JordanC20
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He might be a bit inconsistent right now but I think he will get better…he has a lot of potential.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:03am #597282

JordanC20
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He might be a bit inconsistent right now but I think he will get better…he has a lot of potential.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:03am #596804

JordanC20
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He might be a bit inconsistent right now but I think he will get better…he has a lot of potential.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:37am #597259

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"Against adults he put up 7 and 4 in 18 minutes. Is he a decent prospect who has a chance to contribute in a few years? Sure."
Side notes:
5 turnovers and 5 fouls in the Poland game as well. For those who like to project out the points and rebounds over 40 minutes, they ought to note that fouling at that rate would prevent him from ever reaching those minute levels.
DNP-CD today against Turkey.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:37am #597294

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"Against adults he put up 7 and 4 in 18 minutes. Is he a decent prospect who has a chance to contribute in a few years? Sure."
Side notes:
5 turnovers and 5 fouls in the Poland game as well. For those who like to project out the points and rebounds over 40 minutes, they ought to note that fouling at that rate would prevent him from ever reaching those minute levels.
DNP-CD today against Turkey.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:37am #596815

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"Against adults he put up 7 and 4 in 18 minutes. Is he a decent prospect who has a chance to contribute in a few years? Sure."
Side notes:
5 turnovers and 5 fouls in the Poland game as well. For those who like to project out the points and rebounds over 40 minutes, they ought to note that fouling at that rate would prevent him from ever reaching those minute levels.
DNP-CD today against Turkey.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:40am #597266

boffacheerios
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on top of fouls, the idea of projecting what someone’s stats "would have been" is insanity. The fact is he didn’t play 36 minutes because those are star player minutes, which he will never get until he proves to be productive in limited minutes. THE TRUTH
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:40am #597300

boffacheerios
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on top of fouls, the idea of projecting what someone’s stats "would have been" is insanity. The fact is he didn’t play 36 minutes because those are star player minutes, which he will never get until he proves to be productive in limited minutes. THE TRUTH
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:40am #596821

boffacheerios
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on top of fouls, the idea of projecting what someone’s stats "would have been" is insanity. The fact is he didn’t play 36 minutes because those are star player minutes, which he will never get until he proves to be productive in limited minutes. THE TRUTH
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:48am #597271

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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And by the way, most of those minutes (all but about 4-5) were in the 4th quarter garbage time minutes. It wasn’t high intensity, game on the line stuff, and his head was still swimming. The problem with projects in the lottery are the expectations. He is not capable right now of playing up to the expectations of being the 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th pick in the draft for an awful Toronto team. Hopefully after they are bad again this year, they’ll clean house (players and management) to give him a better chance when he comes over.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:48am #597306

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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And by the way, most of those minutes (all but about 4-5) were in the 4th quarter garbage time minutes. It wasn’t high intensity, game on the line stuff, and his head was still swimming. The problem with projects in the lottery are the expectations. He is not capable right now of playing up to the expectations of being the 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th pick in the draft for an awful Toronto team. Hopefully after they are bad again this year, they’ll clean house (players and management) to give him a better chance when he comes over.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 11:48am #596828

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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And by the way, most of those minutes (all but about 4-5) were in the 4th quarter garbage time minutes. It wasn’t high intensity, game on the line stuff, and his head was still swimming. The problem with projects in the lottery are the expectations. He is not capable right now of playing up to the expectations of being the 3rd,4th,5th, or 6th pick in the draft for an awful Toronto team. Hopefully after they are bad again this year, they’ll clean house (players and management) to give him a better chance when he comes over.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:10pm #597284

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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My bad, he came in with Lithuania up 21 midway through the 3rd and basically went straight through to the end. He had a short stint in the first half as well.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:10pm #597318

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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My bad, he came in with Lithuania up 21 midway through the 3rd and basically went straight through to the end. He had a short stint in the first half as well.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 12:10pm #596840

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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My bad, he came in with Lithuania up 21 midway through the 3rd and basically went straight through to the end. He had a short stint in the first half as well.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 1:02pm #597296

apb540
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We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 1:02pm #597330

apb540
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We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 1:02pm #596853

apb540
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We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:00pm #597320

Tyrober
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@boffacheerios

Sorry I made a typo. Way to be a prick about it.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:00pm #597354

Tyrober
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@boffacheerios

Sorry I made a typo. Way to be a prick about it.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:00pm #596877

Tyrober
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@boffacheerios

Sorry I made a typo. Way to be a prick about it.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:54pm #597335

torontoraptors10
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Jonas is going to play in the 2012-2013 season. He has to stay in Europe for one more year.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:54pm #597369

torontoraptors10
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Jonas is going to play in the 2012-2013 season. He has to stay in Europe for one more year.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 2:54pm #596892

torontoraptors10
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Jonas is going to play in the 2012-2013 season. He has to stay in Europe for one more year.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:34pm #597373

theEDGE
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Did Valanciunas play against Gortat in those minutes?
Plus he’s only 19, so there’s enough room to grow.
Just give him time and he might be a 18 and 8 guy.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:34pm #597408

theEDGE
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Did Valanciunas play against Gortat in those minutes?
Plus he’s only 19, so there’s enough room to grow.
Just give him time and he might be a 18 and 8 guy.
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Posted on: Fri, 09/02/2011 - 10:34pm #596931

theEDGE
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Did Valanciunas play against Gortat in those minutes?
Plus he’s only 19, so there’s enough room to grow.
Just give him time and he might be a 18 and 8 guy.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 12:59am #597382

Rafter
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I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play. To be fair, he’s just a young kid, i doubt Lithuania would give him a lot of responsibility at this point, especially when they have veteran guys who know how to provide at that level. You can’t really judge him because he’s not really getting huge minutes, just because he’s not starting doesn’t have any bad indicator on his ability, he’s not going to be handed the starting place just because he was the under-19 MVP.
Take Football (Soccer) for example, let’s say, in the under-19 championships, a youngster helps his country win the tournament and picks up the player of the tournament award, he’d get interest from teams accross Europe, but he wouldn’t get called up into the senior international team, because, to be frank, he’s not good enough yet, it’s a huge step up. Clearly, Basketball is different to Football (Soccer), but the principal is similar, youngsters are youngsters, it doesn’t matter what they did at youth level, they’re playing with the big boys now, it’s what happens at that level that matters.
Another season in Europe was a great idea. The difference that season will make will be huge, his body will get stronger, he’ll read the game better and he’ll have a bigger role on his team. For the Raptors he’ll be worth the wait.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 12:59am #597417

Rafter
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I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play. To be fair, he’s just a young kid, i doubt Lithuania would give him a lot of responsibility at this point, especially when they have veteran guys who know how to provide at that level. You can’t really judge him because he’s not really getting huge minutes, just because he’s not starting doesn’t have any bad indicator on his ability, he’s not going to be handed the starting place just because he was the under-19 MVP.
Take Football (Soccer) for example, let’s say, in the under-19 championships, a youngster helps his country win the tournament and picks up the player of the tournament award, he’d get interest from teams accross Europe, but he wouldn’t get called up into the senior international team, because, to be frank, he’s not good enough yet, it’s a huge step up. Clearly, Basketball is different to Football (Soccer), but the principal is similar, youngsters are youngsters, it doesn’t matter what they did at youth level, they’re playing with the big boys now, it’s what happens at that level that matters.
Another season in Europe was a great idea. The difference that season will make will be huge, his body will get stronger, he’ll read the game better and he’ll have a bigger role on his team. For the Raptors he’ll be worth the wait.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 12:59am #596939

Rafter
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I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play. To be fair, he’s just a young kid, i doubt Lithuania would give him a lot of responsibility at this point, especially when they have veteran guys who know how to provide at that level. You can’t really judge him because he’s not really getting huge minutes, just because he’s not starting doesn’t have any bad indicator on his ability, he’s not going to be handed the starting place just because he was the under-19 MVP.
Take Football (Soccer) for example, let’s say, in the under-19 championships, a youngster helps his country win the tournament and picks up the player of the tournament award, he’d get interest from teams accross Europe, but he wouldn’t get called up into the senior international team, because, to be frank, he’s not good enough yet, it’s a huge step up. Clearly, Basketball is different to Football (Soccer), but the principal is similar, youngsters are youngsters, it doesn’t matter what they did at youth level, they’re playing with the big boys now, it’s what happens at that level that matters.
Another season in Europe was a great idea. The difference that season will make will be huge, his body will get stronger, he’ll read the game better and he’ll have a bigger role on his team. For the Raptors he’ll be worth the wait.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:36am #597397

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop."
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-doing-work
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-7
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-23-pts-11-reb-just-over-25-minutes
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/val-mvp
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-best-draft-pick
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/usa-u-19-beats-lithuania-107-105-overtime
Yep, everyone saw this coming.You want to talk about how everyone knew how Hassan Whiteside was a project too, or maybe about how the Bismack Biyombo love was never that strong?
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:36am #597432

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop."
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-doing-work
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-7
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-23-pts-11-reb-just-over-25-minutes
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/val-mvp
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-best-draft-pick
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/usa-u-19-beats-lithuania-107-105-overtime
Yep, everyone saw this coming.You want to talk about how everyone knew how Hassan Whiteside was a project too, or maybe about how the Bismack Biyombo love was never that strong?
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:36am #596955

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"We might not see this kid play for another 2 years. Everyone knows he needs more time to develop."
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-doing-work
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-7
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-23-pts-11-reb-just-over-25-minutes
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/val-mvp
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/jonas-valanciunas-best-draft-pick
http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/usa-u-19-beats-lithuania-107-105-overtime
Yep, everyone saw this coming.You want to talk about how everyone knew how Hassan Whiteside was a project too, or maybe about how the Bismack Biyombo love was never that strong?
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:50am #597400

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play"
He is a young big man who has been largely protected from the elite bigs in the Euroleague/VTB/Baltic to avoid getting exposed for where he is in his development. Nothing his coaches are doing is wrong. It doesn’t help him or the team to put a young guy out there to fail. The only problem is not being aware of why the coaches have handled him the way they did. He is a young 7-footer with potential, but he isn’t the next coming of Sabonis. He isn’t on the level of DeMarcus Cousins or Greg Monroe. I don’t know if Enes Kanter’s body will allow him to stay on the court, but it was revealed how differently their national team coaches trust them. That is okay, but the expectations for him shouldn’t be on the level of the elite young big men.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:50am #597436

BothTeamsPlayedHard
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"I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play"
He is a young big man who has been largely protected from the elite bigs in the Euroleague/VTB/Baltic to avoid getting exposed for where he is in his development. Nothing his coaches are doing is wrong. It doesn’t help him or the team to put a young guy out there to fail. The only problem is not being aware of why the coaches have handled him the way they did. He is a young 7-footer with potential, but he isn’t the next coming of Sabonis. He isn’t on the level of DeMarcus Cousins or Greg Monroe. I don’t know if Enes Kanter’s body will allow him to stay on the court, but it was revealed how differently their national team coaches trust them. That is okay, but the expectations for him shouldn’t be on the level of the elite young big men.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 4:50am #596958

BothTeamsPlayedHard
Participant
"I agree with BTPH, Valanciunas, hasn’t really exploded onto the scene, which i’m very disappointed about, i’ve been high on him for awhile, he’s just trying too hard, he just needs to just play"
He is a young big man who has been largely protected from the elite bigs in the Euroleague/VTB/Baltic to avoid getting exposed for where he is in his development. Nothing his coaches are doing is wrong. It doesn’t help him or the team to put a young guy out there to fail. The only problem is not being aware of why the coaches have handled him the way they did. He is a young 7-footer with potential, but he isn’t the next coming of Sabonis. He isn’t on the level of DeMarcus Cousins or Greg Monroe. I don’t know if Enes Kanter’s body will allow him to stay on the court, but it was revealed how differently their national team coaches trust them. That is okay, but the expectations for him shouldn’t be on the level of the elite young big men.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 5:05am #597403

HeGotBrain
Participant
He’s not going to get pt during this tourney unless it’s garbage time. Lithuania has a veteran squad and they’re aiming to win it all in front of the hometown fans. They’re starters and top bench players are in the twilight of their careers, they are a deep European squad. Jonas V was never going to be a major contributor this year. It was a triumph to make the team and he is getting his orientation on the bench first. Kanter played big minutes against Lithuania and what did he do? The minimum… There’s no learning curve for Jonas in this tourney. He’s going to be the focal point in the years ahead. What he does do is play the game the right way: pick and roll, defend the paint and alter shots. He seems to have a passion for the game and is a good team guy. You can have Kanter and Thompson! Big V looks like a smart pick
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 5:05am #597438

HeGotBrain
Participant
He’s not going to get pt during this tourney unless it’s garbage time. Lithuania has a veteran squad and they’re aiming to win it all in front of the hometown fans. They’re starters and top bench players are in the twilight of their careers, they are a deep European squad. Jonas V was never going to be a major contributor this year. It was a triumph to make the team and he is getting his orientation on the bench first. Kanter played big minutes against Lithuania and what did he do? The minimum… There’s no learning curve for Jonas in this tourney. He’s going to be the focal point in the years ahead. What he does do is play the game the right way: pick and roll, defend the paint and alter shots. He seems to have a passion for the game and is a good team guy. You can have Kanter and Thompson! Big V looks like a smart pick
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 5:05am #596961

HeGotBrain
Participant
He’s not going to get pt during this tourney unless it’s garbage time. Lithuania has a veteran squad and they’re aiming to win it all in front of the hometown fans. They’re starters and top bench players are in the twilight of their careers, they are a deep European squad. Jonas V was never going to be a major contributor this year. It was a triumph to make the team and he is getting his orientation on the bench first. Kanter played big minutes against Lithuania and what did he do? The minimum… There’s no learning curve for Jonas in this tourney. He’s going to be the focal point in the years ahead. What he does do is play the game the right way: pick and roll, defend the paint and alter shots. He seems to have a passion for the game and is a good team guy. You can have Kanter and Thompson! Big V looks like a smart pick
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 11:40am #597520

boffacheerios
Participant
@tyrober
You didn’t make a typo, you’re just too incompetent to do basic math like half of the people on this site. 7+7=14, that’s literally 2nd grade math. A typo means that you accidentally pressed the wrong key without noticing in your proof read (Which just so everyone learns something, means to reread what you wrote to make sure you didn’t make a typo). the 4 key is nowhere near the 8 key on a standard qwerty keyboard so all that’s left to assume is that you are in fact just an incompetent moron who probably owns lots of nike shoes and throwbacks and carries a ghetto blaster to your local convenince store every night for a few packs and a mickey’s. Hit me up sometime if you need a tutor.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 11:40am #597555

boffacheerios
Participant
@tyrober
You didn’t make a typo, you’re just too incompetent to do basic math like half of the people on this site. 7+7=14, that’s literally 2nd grade math. A typo means that you accidentally pressed the wrong key without noticing in your proof read (Which just so everyone learns something, means to reread what you wrote to make sure you didn’t make a typo). the 4 key is nowhere near the 8 key on a standard qwerty keyboard so all that’s left to assume is that you are in fact just an incompetent moron who probably owns lots of nike shoes and throwbacks and carries a ghetto blaster to your local convenince store every night for a few packs and a mickey’s. Hit me up sometime if you need a tutor.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 11:40am #597077

boffacheerios
Participant
@tyrober
You didn’t make a typo, you’re just too incompetent to do basic math like half of the people on this site. 7+7=14, that’s literally 2nd grade math. A typo means that you accidentally pressed the wrong key without noticing in your proof read (Which just so everyone learns something, means to reread what you wrote to make sure you didn’t make a typo). the 4 key is nowhere near the 8 key on a standard qwerty keyboard so all that’s left to assume is that you are in fact just an incompetent moron who probably owns lots of nike shoes and throwbacks and carries a ghetto blaster to your local convenince store every night for a few packs and a mickey’s. Hit me up sometime if you need a tutor.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 7:46pm #597566

apb540
Participant
Don’t use my quote to make a point. I don’t think I was in any of those threads. Either way.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 7:46pm #597600

apb540
Participant
Don’t use my quote to make a point. I don’t think I was in any of those threads. Either way.
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Posted on: Sat, 09/03/2011 - 7:46pm #597122

apb540
Participant
Don’t use my quote to make a point. I don’t think I was in any of those threads. Either way.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 4:18am #597590

Tyrober
Participant
@boffacheerios
What the hell is your problem bud? Obviously I know what 7+7 is dumbass rofl. I accidentally put 18 instead of 14. A standard qwerty keyboard? Why dont you tell me how far away the 4 and 8 are from each other on a standard qwerty keyboard. Yes, I was using my work computer which has the full keyboard. I really don’t know why your getting so worked up about this. You are honestly one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered.
http://static.skattertech.com/files/2008/08/das-keyboard-professional-front.jpg
I guess since I am bored at work I will give you a little background on myself just to make me feel superior to your dumbass. I am 22 years old. I am about to graduate with my Bachelors in Business Management. I only have 4 classes to go. I play poker on the weekends and use math constantly and one day I plan to play professionally. This past year I have made over 20,000 playing poker and thats only about 15 hours a week of playing.
Anyway if you want to continue arguing I will be happy to assist you and your trolling at [email protected]
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 4:18am #597625

Tyrober
Participant
@boffacheerios
What the hell is your problem bud? Obviously I know what 7+7 is dumbass rofl. I accidentally put 18 instead of 14. A standard qwerty keyboard? Why dont you tell me how far away the 4 and 8 are from each other on a standard qwerty keyboard. Yes, I was using my work computer which has the full keyboard. I really don’t know why your getting so worked up about this. You are honestly one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered.
http://static.skattertech.com/files/2008/08/das-keyboard-professional-front.jpg
I guess since I am bored at work I will give you a little background on myself just to make me feel superior to your dumbass. I am 22 years old. I am about to graduate with my Bachelors in Business Management. I only have 4 classes to go. I play poker on the weekends and use math constantly and one day I plan to play professionally. This past year I have made over 20,000 playing poker and thats only about 15 hours a week of playing.
Anyway if you want to continue arguing I will be happy to assist you and your trolling at [email protected]
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 4:18am #597146

Tyrober
Participant
@boffacheerios
What the hell is your problem bud? Obviously I know what 7+7 is dumbass rofl. I accidentally put 18 instead of 14. A standard qwerty keyboard? Why dont you tell me how far away the 4 and 8 are from each other on a standard qwerty keyboard. Yes, I was using my work computer which has the full keyboard. I really don’t know why your getting so worked up about this. You are honestly one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered.
http://static.skattertech.com/files/2008/08/das-keyboard-professional-front.jpg
I guess since I am bored at work I will give you a little background on myself just to make me feel superior to your dumbass. I am 22 years old. I am about to graduate with my Bachelors in Business Management. I only have 4 classes to go. I play poker on the weekends and use math constantly and one day I plan to play professionally. This past year I have made over 20,000 playing poker and thats only about 15 hours a week of playing.
Anyway if you want to continue arguing I will be happy to assist you and your trolling at [email protected]
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- Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 8:30am #597652
  
  boffacheerios
  Participant
  just to answer your question "bud", the 4 key and the 8 key are exactly 2 3/8"apart. Honestly you want to know why i’m a prick? because i’m not denying anything, i’m just having fun between bowls of this super chronic bud. I think it’s fun to fuck with people like you. It started as a bit of a simple point with the 7+7=14 thing. The next thing i’d like to point out as "funny" is when i brought up the idea of a standard qwerty keyoard, you seemed to honestly not know what it was. Now, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt in cases like these because i’m fairly certain that if you really are "close" to getting your bachelors in business management, (which means nothing in this day and age anyways) the ivey league school you must be attending would have likely given you some basic computer knowledge since i’m pretty sure about 90% of a business is run on a computer, but i’m not the one who almost has my business bachelors so who am i to talk. Next, 4 classes? really? 4? That’s not what i would consider "about to graduate". in any case if you’re taking 4 courses in 1 term you don’t have time to be talking to losers like me on the internet man, study! Next, congrats on making that 20,000 in poker bra! did you use it pay off half of your student loans? Or did you decide to spoil yourself for once and go for the quality hooker? anywho, talk to you soon bud!
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- Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 8:30am #597684
  
  boffacheerios
  Participant
  just to answer your question "bud", the 4 key and the 8 key are exactly 2 3/8"apart. Honestly you want to know why i’m a prick? because i’m not denying anything, i’m just having fun between bowls of this super chronic bud. I think it’s fun to fuck with people like you. It started as a bit of a simple point with the 7+7=14 thing. The next thing i’d like to point out as "funny" is when i brought up the idea of a standard qwerty keyoard, you seemed to honestly not know what it was. Now, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt in cases like these because i’m fairly certain that if you really are "close" to getting your bachelors in business management, (which means nothing in this day and age anyways) the ivey league school you must be attending would have likely given you some basic computer knowledge since i’m pretty sure about 90% of a business is run on a computer, but i’m not the one who almost has my business bachelors so who am i to talk. Next, 4 classes? really? 4? That’s not what i would consider "about to graduate". in any case if you’re taking 4 courses in 1 term you don’t have time to be talking to losers like me on the internet man, study! Next, congrats on making that 20,000 in poker bra! did you use it pay off half of your student loans? Or did you decide to spoil yourself for once and go for the quality hooker? anywho, talk to you soon bud!
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- Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 8:30am #597205
  
  boffacheerios
  Participant
  just to answer your question "bud", the 4 key and the 8 key are exactly 2 3/8"apart. Honestly you want to know why i’m a prick? because i’m not denying anything, i’m just having fun between bowls of this super chronic bud. I think it’s fun to fuck with people like you. It started as a bit of a simple point with the 7+7=14 thing. The next thing i’d like to point out as "funny" is when i brought up the idea of a standard qwerty keyoard, you seemed to honestly not know what it was. Now, I like to give people the benefit of the doubt in cases like these because i’m fairly certain that if you really are "close" to getting your bachelors in business management, (which means nothing in this day and age anyways) the ivey league school you must be attending would have likely given you some basic computer knowledge since i’m pretty sure about 90% of a business is run on a computer, but i’m not the one who almost has my business bachelors so who am i to talk. Next, 4 classes? really? 4? That’s not what i would consider "about to graduate". in any case if you’re taking 4 courses in 1 term you don’t have time to be talking to losers like me on the internet man, study! Next, congrats on making that 20,000 in poker bra! did you use it pay off half of your student loans? Or did you decide to spoil yourself for once and go for the quality hooker? anywho, talk to you soon bud!
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 7:48am #597648

chevilicous
Participant
wow this really turned into a shitfest fast.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 7:48am #597681

chevilicous
Participant
wow this really turned into a shitfest fast.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 7:48am #597203

chevilicous
Participant
wow this really turned into a shitfest fast.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:04am #597663

Tyrober
Participant
Can you please go look at a number pad? You know what a qwerty keyboard is but you do not know what a numberpad is rofl. The 4 and 8 are touching each other lol. I am in my senior year with one more semester to graduate with a 3.4 GPA. I have been attending classes for 3 and a half years and have one semester left. If that’s not close I dont know what is LOL. It’s not even fun talking to you anymore because you are not educated at all. I am not even sure what I got so worked up with your statements. It is obvious you are just an ignorant dumbass now. What are you in 10th grade? LOLOL
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:04am #597696

Tyrober
Participant
Can you please go look at a number pad? You know what a qwerty keyboard is but you do not know what a numberpad is rofl. The 4 and 8 are touching each other lol. I am in my senior year with one more semester to graduate with a 3.4 GPA. I have been attending classes for 3 and a half years and have one semester left. If that’s not close I dont know what is LOL. It’s not even fun talking to you anymore because you are not educated at all. I am not even sure what I got so worked up with your statements. It is obvious you are just an ignorant dumbass now. What are you in 10th grade? LOLOL
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:04am #597217

Tyrober
Participant
Can you please go look at a number pad? You know what a qwerty keyboard is but you do not know what a numberpad is rofl. The 4 and 8 are touching each other lol. I am in my senior year with one more semester to graduate with a 3.4 GPA. I have been attending classes for 3 and a half years and have one semester left. If that’s not close I dont know what is LOL. It’s not even fun talking to you anymore because you are not educated at all. I am not even sure what I got so worked up with your statements. It is obvious you are just an ignorant dumbass now. What are you in 10th grade? LOLOL
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:09am #597672

JoeWolf1
What age do you think college players are?
With the top talent leaving for the NBA after 1 or 2 years I’d bet the average college player these days is 19 or 20.
It’s not like college prospects are playing 28 year old professionals, so how can you think that Jonas somehow gets a knock while college propects aren’t playing guys any older than 22.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:09am #597705

JoeWolf1
What age do you think college players are?
With the top talent leaving for the NBA after 1 or 2 years I’d bet the average college player these days is 19 or 20.
It’s not like college prospects are playing 28 year old professionals, so how can you think that Jonas somehow gets a knock while college propects aren’t playing guys any older than 22.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 9:09am #597226

JoeWolf1
What age do you think college players are?
With the top talent leaving for the NBA after 1 or 2 years I’d bet the average college player these days is 19 or 20.
It’s not like college prospects are playing 28 year old professionals, so how can you think that Jonas somehow gets a knock while college propects aren’t playing guys any older than 22.
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 12:50pm #597253

Bmore_DC
Participant
hes a kid…relax
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 12:50pm #597700

Bmore_DC
Participant
hes a kid…relax
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 12:50pm #597732

Bmore_DC
Participant
hes a kid…relax
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 1:01pm #597257

ProudGrandpa
Participant
I put up 7 and 4 in a rec game once. It was my career highlight. (And you gotta remember,that was pre-shot clock era)
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 1:01pm #597703

ProudGrandpa
Participant
I put up 7 and 4 in a rec game once. It was my career highlight. (And you gotta remember,that was pre-shot clock era)
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 1:01pm #597736

ProudGrandpa
Participant
I put up 7 and 4 in a rec game once. It was my career highlight. (And you gotta remember,that was pre-shot clock era)
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 5:04pm #597778

MCRIZZ
Participant
Versus spain:
13 pts 2 reb 3 ast 1 blk in 15 mins 5-7 FG 3-5 FT
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 5:04pm #597298

MCRIZZ
Participant
Versus spain:
13 pts 2 reb 3 ast 1 blk in 15 mins 5-7 FG 3-5 FT
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Posted on: Sun, 09/04/2011 - 5:04pm #597744

MCRIZZ
Participant
Versus spain:
13 pts 2 reb 3 ast 1 blk in 15 mins 5-7 FG 3-5 FT
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:00pm #597892

aamir543
Participant
Had Rick Smits not had so many foot problems, He and Reggie probably could have made a nice little run into the finals.
Some guys think Smits is a scrub, but do your reasearch, and you will find that he was a rare combination of skill and size, but like most giants, he wasn’t able to stay healthy.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:00pm #597926

aamir543
Participant
Had Rick Smits not had so many foot problems, He and Reggie probably could have made a nice little run into the finals.
Some guys think Smits is a scrub, but do your reasearch, and you will find that he was a rare combination of skill and size, but like most giants, he wasn’t able to stay healthy.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 12:00pm #597446

aamir543
Participant
Had Rick Smits not had so many foot problems, He and Reggie probably could have made a nice little run into the finals.
Some guys think Smits is a scrub, but do your reasearch, and you will find that he was a rare combination of skill and size, but like most giants, he wasn’t able to stay healthy.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 1:39pm #597919

JoeWolf1
^Rik Smits played a lot like Yao Ming, but less powerful, he was a very good jump shooter and despite not having a lot of bouce he was very fluid and coordinated athletically. His foot problems really cut down on his minutes, he was an All-Star in 98′ and played less than 30 mpg.
I saw an update on him probably a year or two ago, and he’s an off road classic motorcycle racer…at 7’4”
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 1:39pm #597953

JoeWolf1
^Rik Smits played a lot like Yao Ming, but less powerful, he was a very good jump shooter and despite not having a lot of bouce he was very fluid and coordinated athletically. His foot problems really cut down on his minutes, he was an All-Star in 98′ and played less than 30 mpg.
I saw an update on him probably a year or two ago, and he’s an off road classic motorcycle racer…at 7’4”
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 1:39pm #597473

JoeWolf1
^Rik Smits played a lot like Yao Ming, but less powerful, he was a very good jump shooter and despite not having a lot of bouce he was very fluid and coordinated athletically. His foot problems really cut down on his minutes, he was an All-Star in 98′ and played less than 30 mpg.
I saw an update on him probably a year or two ago, and he’s an off road classic motorcycle racer…at 7’4”
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 2:43pm #597928

aamir543
Participant
And to add to what Joe Wolf stated, I read about a month ago that the main reason for his foot problems was because in the Netherlands, he didn’t have shoes that fit him properly, which messed up some sort of blood circulation in his feet, which is why he wasn’t able to play big minutes even when he could produce big numbers, much like Sabonis.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 2:43pm #597962

aamir543
Participant
And to add to what Joe Wolf stated, I read about a month ago that the main reason for his foot problems was because in the Netherlands, he didn’t have shoes that fit him properly, which messed up some sort of blood circulation in his feet, which is why he wasn’t able to play big minutes even when he could produce big numbers, much like Sabonis.
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Posted on: Mon, 09/05/2011 - 2:43pm #597482

aamir543
Participant
And to add to what Joe Wolf stated, I read about a month ago that the main reason for his foot problems was because in the Netherlands, he didn’t have shoes that fit him properly, which messed up some sort of blood circulation in his feet, which is why he wasn’t able to play big minutes even when he could produce big numbers, much like Sabonis.
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