[Magic JordanParticipant]

 The Woj reported today that Jimmy Butler has become increasingly interested in signing an offer sheet with the Lakers and will reportedly look for a shorter deal, which is a good decision with the cap set to boom.  

The Bulls match anything on Butler so there is real no point in talking about it.  Even if he only accepts a qualifying offer which there is no way he does I don’t believe, the Bulls can get rid of him during the season.  No matter what he is playing for the Bulls next year.  

So I ask not about Jimmy Butler neccessarily, but what is the best poison pill contract that you can come up with?  By poison pill I mean anything essentially, it could be like the Rockets backloading a Lin contract, or the Mavs offering big money and a player option to Chandler Parsons.

I know the NBADraft community can come up with something wicked.

 

 

 

[earldaniel31Participant]

not possible for a 1st rounder

[earldaniel31Participant]

not possible for a 1st rounder

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

The 76ers could offer a player like Jimmy Buckets a MAX contract, in fact I think several teams have maximum cap space and could try to lure Butler away from Chicago, I just don’t see him leaving though…

I don’t think we’ll see too many more of those poison pill contracts in the future, although I would love to see a team with Cap Room like Philadelphia become aggressive and throw a Max Contract at Butler or Love just to shake things up…

[The Scare Crow RisesParticipant]

The 76ers could offer a player like Jimmy Buckets a MAX contract, in fact I think several teams have maximum cap space and could try to lure Butler away from Chicago, I just don’t see him leaving though…

I don’t think we’ll see too many more of those poison pill contracts in the future, although I would love to see a team with Cap Room like Philadelphia become aggressive and throw a Max Contract at Butler or Love just to shake things up…

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Poisin pill is only for 2nd rounders going to free agency with early bird rights (2 years)

The Bulls have full bird rights for Butler, so the contract can’t get crazy front or backloaded like the Lin & Asik deals were. The best a team can do it the Chadler Parsons 3 year with a big trade kicker and player option after 2. But like you said, the Bulls are matching anything on Butler, so it doesn’t really matter.

 

[SmooveKRYPTParticipant]

Poisin pill is only for 2nd rounders going to free agency with early bird rights (2 years)

The Bulls have full bird rights for Butler, so the contract can’t get crazy front or backloaded like the Lin & Asik deals were. The best a team can do it the Chadler Parsons 3 year with a big trade kicker and player option after 2. But like you said, the Bulls are matching anything on Butler, so it doesn’t really matter.

 

[cg085hParticipant]

 Should give him a max contract

[earldaniel31Participant]

they would but i think Butler’s trying to get a contract offer when the TV deal kicks in which could reach over 20 million per season

[earldaniel31Participant]

they would but i think Butler’s trying to get a contract offer when the TV deal kicks in which could reach over 20 million per season

[piratejpParticipant]

And for a player at Butler’s level, that’s a pretty smart move.

[piratejpParticipant]

And for a player at Butler’s level, that’s a pretty smart move.

[cg085hParticipant]

 Should give him a max contract

[llperez]

 lakers want to offer him max but the bulls will match. But he has a good option in just signing a 1 year deal so the bulls could only match on a one year and then he gets to become unrestricted next year while making a lot more money this coming season then if he just opts into his 1 year remaining.

[llperez]

 lakers want to offer him max but the bulls will match. But he has a good option in just signing a 1 year deal so the bulls could only match on a one year and then he gets to become unrestricted next year while making a lot more money this coming season then if he just opts into his 1 year remaining.

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Closest thing to a poison pill deal that I can think of was when the Wolves inked Batum a few years ago and there was something in the deal that guarenteed him more money if he was traded. So if Portland were to match (which they did anyways) he’d be that much more difficult to deal if they ever wanted to. 

Beyond that, there’s little a team can do. Which is another thing I don’t love about NBA free agency. 

Players have too much control in terms of options and there needs to be no max contracts. If NBA franchises want to ruin themselves by giving one guy unlimited money, they should be allowed to, knowing it could hamstring them when going for other players. 

Essentially LA and Philly can offer Jimmy Butler the exact same money…which option is almost every player going to choose? 

 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Closest thing to a poison pill deal that I can think of was when the Wolves inked Batum a few years ago and there was something in the deal that guarenteed him more money if he was traded. So if Portland were to match (which they did anyways) he’d be that much more difficult to deal if they ever wanted to. 

Beyond that, there’s little a team can do. Which is another thing I don’t love about NBA free agency. 

Players have too much control in terms of options and there needs to be no max contracts. If NBA franchises want to ruin themselves by giving one guy unlimited money, they should be allowed to, knowing it could hamstring them when going for other players. 

Essentially LA and Philly can offer Jimmy Butler the exact same money…which option is almost every player going to choose? 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Different states have different tax. Effectively, a max in Miami is worth double the max in L.A.

Not really much to do with Butler, but not all Max’s are created equal

 

 

 

[Rip255]

Different states have different tax. Effectively, a max in Miami is worth double the max in L.A.

Not really much to do with Butler, but not all Max’s are created equal

 

 

 

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The cap going up, and there being no smoothing, changes a lot. When the last CBA was signed, it flattened the cap and tax for a number of years. The cap lingered around $58 million from 2008 until 2014, and then went up a bit this past year to $63 million. The league has one more marginal increase. The relatively flat cap allowed for games to be played (ala Lin, Asik, Parsons, and the great Landry Fields heist). The new tv deal has changed the dynamic where the players have the flexibility, not the teams.

The trend that I think is going to take place for the players who will command the max is that they will want to become free agents again in the first year after 2017 when they have 7 years in the league. The CBA is such that the most a player can receive is 25% of the cap (0-6 years, 30% for 7-9, and 35% for 10 or more). This is going to work to the benefit of some teams (go for it now, get one-to-three years and worry about the future when it comes) and possibly have other teams get used (we set the player up to make the most money possible and it really did not get us anywhere).

In the case of Jimmy Butler, I might be wrong but the claim does not pass the sniff test. My guess is that Jimmy Butler’s agent will want a team to offer the max with an opt out after three years. This would then make him a free agent in the summer of 2018 where he would be would be eligible for 30% of a likely $110 million cap (assuming the minimalist of increases from the 2017 projected cap). The trade off is that if he plays for $3 million next year, he would be eligible for upwards of $22 million to start his next contract in 2016 (assuming the projections hold and the cap goes to $89 million). In 2017 (assuming the projections hold and the cap goes to $108 million), he could start a new max at $27 million. As a player with 7 years’ experience, however, he would be eligible for $33 million in 2018 when he will be 28 years old (a good age to get one more huge deal). If he signs a three year $54.2 million deal with the Bulls this summer (25% of the $67 million cap plus 7.5% raise), he would guarantee more for himself than playing for the qualifying offer and then starting at $22 million in 2017 should he want to be a free agent again before turning 30. The Lakers can offer a similar deal this summer, but only with 5 percent annual raises (an offer the Bulls would undoubtedly match).

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

The cap going up, and there being no smoothing, changes a lot. When the last CBA was signed, it flattened the cap and tax for a number of years. The cap lingered around $58 million from 2008 until 2014, and then went up a bit this past year to $63 million. The league has one more marginal increase. The relatively flat cap allowed for games to be played (ala Lin, Asik, Parsons, and the great Landry Fields heist). The new tv deal has changed the dynamic where the players have the flexibility, not the teams.

The trend that I think is going to take place for the players who will command the max is that they will want to become free agents again in the first year after 2017 when they have 7 years in the league. The CBA is such that the most a player can receive is 25% of the cap (0-6 years, 30% for 7-9, and 35% for 10 or more). This is going to work to the benefit of some teams (go for it now, get one-to-three years and worry about the future when it comes) and possibly have other teams get used (we set the player up to make the most money possible and it really did not get us anywhere).

In the case of Jimmy Butler, I might be wrong but the claim does not pass the sniff test. My guess is that Jimmy Butler’s agent will want a team to offer the max with an opt out after three years. This would then make him a free agent in the summer of 2018 where he would be would be eligible for 30% of a likely $110 million cap (assuming the minimalist of increases from the 2017 projected cap). The trade off is that if he plays for $3 million next year, he would be eligible for upwards of $22 million to start his next contract in 2016 (assuming the projections hold and the cap goes to $89 million). In 2017 (assuming the projections hold and the cap goes to $108 million), he could start a new max at $27 million. As a player with 7 years’ experience, however, he would be eligible for $33 million in 2018 when he will be 28 years old (a good age to get one more huge deal). If he signs a three year $54.2 million deal with the Bulls this summer (25% of the $67 million cap plus 7.5% raise), he would guarantee more for himself than playing for the qualifying offer and then starting at $22 million in 2017 should he want to be a free agent again before turning 30. The Lakers can offer a similar deal this summer, but only with 5 percent annual raises (an offer the Bulls would undoubtedly match).

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