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  • #40831
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    RUDEBOY_
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    I know by know everyone might’ve heard about the nba not inviting Ohio State forward Jared Sullinger to the draft…But it looks like he might slip out of the 1st round all together….This is devastating news for a guy that might’ve been a top 5 selection last season if he had came out…Scouts questioned his weight last season and Sullinger worked to trim down,and showed up at the combine weighing 268 lbs with 10.7% body fat,the most out of all participants at the combine….And now he has to deal with questions concerning his back ..The is bad news for a guy that already has below average athleticism and average height for a power forward these days…The possibility that he might not stay in the league long,becuz of those back issues have teams weary of using a high pick on him..

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    According to nba executive vice president Stu Jackson nba teams summitted a list of the 15 to 20 top prospects and those players receive invites to the draft,Sullinger wasn’t among those players..We still have contact with teams  at this late date we dont anticipate inviting him…

    Some fans and supporters of Sullinger are using the DeJuan Blair example of how docters can mislead teams..Doctors warned teams that Blair no ACL in either knee..Blair is similiar in height,built  and style of play to Sullinger..The Spurs took Blair in the 2nd round and he’s been 1 of their most productive players,missing only 3 games in 3 years….. 

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  • #687424
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     Where do you think he would’ve gone last year if he came out? I bet he wished he came out last year because he would’ve been a top pick. I also think Perry Jones III wishes he came out early. Hopefully Sully gets drafted in the second round and is able to sign a huge contract after his second year (like Arenas). Or maybe Sully hopes he goes undrafted so he can make more money than Wes Matthews after his first year. I feel bad for this guy. I think he should show up in the Green Room to prove to everyone that his health is not an issue and that he’s confident he’ll be drafted within the first 14 picks. Otherwise, him not showing up will prove to other teams that Sully isn’t confident he can maintain healthly like a top player would in the draft.

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    • #687430
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       Not sure if I made myself clear in the last post. Sullinger must show up to the Green Room (sneak in if he has to) to prove to all the GM’s that his health won’t be an issue. By not showing up, he’s admitting that his back is preventing him from being a top player and that he should be drafted later. 

      I hope Sully’s agent is smart enough to convince him that he MUST show up in the Green Room to get drafted high!!!

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  • #687431
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    RUDEBOY_
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    It would be great if he still went there..And talked about how he wants to prove the doctors wrong and show loyality to the team that drafts him…By working hard and trying his best to become an all star…

    Back in the day Red Auerback use to throw out red flags about players then he would draft them…Maybe Ainge has something up his sleeve? Is Ainge that crafty? lol

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  • #687422
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     Its crazy because last year had he declared he would’ve been a top 4 pick 100%. 

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  • #687429
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    surve
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    Had he came out last year I say he wouldve been in the top 8.   He is not invited to the green room because of his uncertainty of going in the top 20.  I think they have revised the invitee criteria over the years to try and avoid the embarrassment reminiscent of Rashard Lewis.  Sully can still be in attendance in the audience, and still will likely go in the top 20, but the fact that he could slide past 15-20, it was a good decision not to invite him.  

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  • #687433
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    aces_wild
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     Wouldn’t it be better for the player to face the embarrasment? It’ll will give them a chip on the shoulder like it did to Rashard Lewis. Rashard Lewis made a ton of money. It might help ignite the beast in Sullinger and help him earn more money – he’ll have more to prove when everyone passes on him in the Green Room!!! 

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  • #687434
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     According to reports, Sully will be watching it at a restaurant in Columbus. Why he won’t be in attendance (not even in the Green Room) is beyond stupid. Come on Sully. Prove to us that every team out there should draft you!!! Show some confidence in yourself!!! I know you’ll be a good pro player!!!

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  • #687445
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    ASAP Henry
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    I was never a huge fan of Sully as a basketball player, but I do think he will be a solid nba player.  It’s crazy how last year he would’ve def been a top 5 pick and now he’s in jeopardy of sliding to the end of the first round.  Oh well, could end up being better for him to go to a good team and get to learn from some vets as well as rest up his back a bit

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  • #687436
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    Jlv2012

    support and help their patients but they’re absolutely killing Sulllinger right now.

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    • #687446
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      monkey23
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       Whatever happened to HIPAA rules and regulations? This stuff should’ve been kept confidential. Now it’s hurting Sullinger big-time.

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  • #687456
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    I really can’t imagine him slipping out of the first round, if he does that would be one of the dumbest moves by any GM’s move to not select in the late first round. To have a top 5 talent in last year’s draft go in the second round this year because of doctor reports is absurd. I always thought Dejuan Blair was a beast in college, the way he carved out every big man he faced, destroying Hasheem Thabeet in their rivalry matches and remember Thabeet went 3rd overall while a guy like Blair slipped to the 2nd round.

    Smart teams will make the smart pick and take that risk regardless of the reports. Playoff contending teams will make that pick because they all know that this guy can play. Undersized or not, we have all witnessed lately that a bunch of undersized Power Forwards can play in the NBA. We got guys like Dejuan Blair, Paul Millsap, Brandon Bass and Glen Davis. They may not be allstars but they contribute and come up big. I cannot see him slipping past the Celtics having a coach like Doc there, they will take him if no one else does.

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  • #687478
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    I don’t want to make a new thread for this ,but reading something interesting about Jared on hoops world
    http://www.hoopsworld.com/seeking-out-this-drafts-franchise-players
    “As we get more and more information about Sullinger’s medical red-flag, it’s starting to look like long-term concerns for the kid aren’t that serious.”
    Hopefully this is true

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  • #687526
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    surve
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    PRO FOOTBALL; Leagues Gain a Measure of Relief From Privacy Laws

    By BUSTER OLNEY
    Published: August 14, 2002

    Buried deep in a 412-page document that will be published Wednesday in the Federal Register are a couple of paragraphs that could provide enormous relief to major sports leagues. Some players and coaches may not be so pleased, however.

    The Department of Health and Human Services issued final rules on the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, which was designed to increase the privacy rights of patients.

    Teams in the major sports feared that if the law had been strictly interpreted, they would have faced a huge mess in handling their players’ medical information.

    But the final rules appear to provide wriggle room — if not outright exclusion — for professional sports teams, which are mentioned on Pages 50 and 51 of the document. ”Professional sports teams are unlikely to be covered entities” under the law, according to the Department of Health and Human Services. ”Even if a sports team were to be a covered entity, employment records of a covered entity are not covered by this rule.”

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    The Department of Health and Human Services responded to a comment written by Jim Schuster, a lawyer who had been working on behalf of the Cincinnati Bengals for the firm Taft, Stettinius & Hollister, based in Cincinnati.

    Schuster, who recently took a job at the Council for Regulatory Compliance, noted that if the law had been strictly applied, then pro teams would have been required to create an entire bureaucracy to cope; a compliance officer would have had to be hired.

    Professional sports teams have ”saved literally millions of dollars” because of the new language of the rules, he said.

    A strict interpretation would have also allowed players, coaches, managers and other executives to withhold medical information from reporters.

    Many coaches believe in restricting the flow of medical information, and some players do not like others to know about their physical status because it may affect their leverage in contract talk. 

    Furthermore, the document states, ”nothing in this rule prevents an employer, such as a professional sports team, from making an employee’s agreement to disclose health records a condition of employment.”

    In other words, professional teams could put in their contracts specific language regarding the release of medical information. It appears that the only current reference to the release of medical information is in the Major League Baseball contract, which addresses the transfer of records when a player is being considered in a trade.

    The document by the Department of Health and Human Services specified that it would disagree with any move to decrease the privacy of players: ”No class of individuals should be singled out for reduced privacy protections.”

    Greg Aiello, a spokesman for the National Football League, said, ”Our attorneys are reviewing the document, and we’re optimistic that the department recognizes that sports leagues are unique.”

    N.F.L. officials fretted about the possibility that they would not be able to issue injury reports. Teams were worried about whether trainers and doctors would have to obtain written permission from players to discuss medical diagnoses with coaches and managers, and whether players could use the privacy rules as leverage in trade talks.

     

    source: http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/14/sports/pro-football-leagues-gain-a-measure-of-relief-from-privacy-laws.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm

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  • #687535
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    surve
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     This hurts Sully from a monetary standpoint (although he will still end up a millionaire) but basically, all this does is allow Sully to drop to a team that feels he is an excellent value at where they will be picking.   Teams already doubted him because of his lack of athleticism, but felt compelled to take him because he is so skilled….now they wont feel that way and will pass him up…so the team that gets him (particularly after 15) is going to feel like thats a real big time bargain.  On top of that, he likely wont go to a team that sucks.  I have Terrence Jones at #15 going to the 76ers currently in my mock….but Sully could go here as well as the Sixers may be looking ahead in concerns with Brand.

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  • #687537
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    FastAndFurious
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     Damn, dude would have easily been lottery last year, and even if he is picked first round, he lost out on a ton of money not coming out last year.

    Hope the best for him.

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  • #687563
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    ChrisCross
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     I have top 5 on my board, people like to knock him for his lack of quickness, jumping, and body fat. But people ignore that he was a 2 time all-american, and by far the most skilled post player in this class right now.

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