[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Matt Barnes Tweeted on his Twitter Page..That its a done deal..He’s gonna be a Laker..

I bet now he can ask Kobe why he didnt blink when he made that ball fake? lmao

[llperez]

yeaaaahhhh booooyyyyyyy

When Kobe and Ron ROn need a rest, they bring in barnes to play a little D. The days of luke walton and vlad ramanovic are a thing of the past.

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

kobe might have edged out john calpari as the greatest recruiter lol this guy nearly fights ron artest the playoffs before and the next season makes him agree 2 play for less, now this year barnes wanted kobes head but kobe still manages to get him to play in L.A for less.

We might be looking at a better shooting / defense team with the lakers

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

I Smell A 3peat real talk.

[dipt1982Participant]

Rejoice, no more Luke Walton!!!!! Amen…Radmonivic has been gone, but yeah I get your point llperez…

[dipt1982Participant]

WOW, the Lakers have really added some quality depth to the roster, and defensive minded players at that! Blake, Ratliff and Barnes. That’s a nice set-up, that 3peat is smelling sweeter by the day…

[BasterdInABasketParticipant]

They were able to get him for the minimum?

[TRC1991Participant]

Matt Barnes is the perfect compliment to artest and kobe and can get you 8 and 4 off the bench in 19 minutes

[T-WOLF FANParticipant]

that the lakers are getting some better bench players this year.. Blake, Barnes, Ratliff, Caracter..
good riddence to Morrison, Farmar and Powell.

[Mr.Knick 32Participant]

Perfect move.

To be honest, LA kinda needed this move. Luke Walton actually might retire due to back problems. If were looking at a potential Heat-Laker Final matchup: This is the perfect thing to guard Mike Miller and James Jones. I think some LA fans are expecting Ebanks to be a defensive stalwart from day 1. I think this not only gives them a slasher off the bench but someone who could allow Ebanks to develop.

[dipt1982Participant]

Not really sure with all these moves that Ebanks AND Caracter both make the active roster…I really like the way they are going, these moves make a lot of sense and will help them when it counts…

[sheltwon3Participant]

Lakers still have space because it would appear that Brown, Powel, and Dj will not be back. There is no way they let Ebanks and Caractor free. They could at least trade them for future 2nd round picks.

[dipt1982Participant]

True, I wouldn’t think they would let either of them walk, but it was getting a little questionable with all these moves on how they would handle it…

[dipt1982Participant]

They should NOT let Brown go…

[marcusfizer21Participant]

Lakers getting another nasty player… They are making their case for a possible three-peat… This is BS…

[Toronto16Participant]

Anybody notice every time Kobe gets into an altercation with a player, they end up being team mates the following season?

Here’s to Kobe smacking Dwight Howard in the face next season.

[doubledribblerParticipant]

That is what it is all about. These guys get in each others faces because they want to win. You want guys that know they aren’t as good as you but won’t back down from you to be on your team. Those are the types of people that you know will have your back and won’t take anything from anyone else. I think they should do what they can though to re-sign Brown if possible. They have done a nice job of upgrading with the little amount of wiggle room they had.

[llperez]

now its just time to get out the popcorn and sit back and enjoy the ride.

[Hoops MaestroParticipant]

Two years for 3.6 million? Matt Barnes is worth more than that. Why the heck didn’t Dallas step in and give him 6 million for two years? They’re going to need someone to guard Kobe in the playoffs, and D Wade if they get that far…. Toronto was going to give him 9 mill before the sign-and-trade with Orlando fell through, and Cleveland offered 7.

[llperez]

yeah, but you’re forgetting one big thing. He gets to be a laker. Can you really put a price tag on that?

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

As a Lakers fan..I hope this doesnt mean they’ll not be signing rookies DC & Ebanks..Every veteran laden team, need up & coming young players to take their place when they retire..DC & Ebanks have the talent to be quality starters in 2 years…Along with Bynum,DC & Ebanks will be the cornerstone of the Lakers ..So when guys like Kobe,Gasol & Artest move on..The Lakers will still be competitive..And not go into 4 or 5 years losing seasons..

[llperez]

hey rudeboy, are you gonna sign into that league?

[stanford hoops]

I’m loving this of season for the lakershow. So that gives us 10 players and u need 13 so caracter nor ebanks are getting traded for second round picks(that would make no sense anyway because it’s rare u get two talented players like that in round 2)

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

thankx for the invite ll perez….yeah..i wanna be a part of the league..but i’m really busy doin the day..i can only be on at nite..

[llperez]

thats cool if you cant do it. But there is the option to set your roster for days or even weeks in advance without having to log on each day.

[NYK2010Participant]

He should’ve been on the Spurs but they foolishly resigned RJ.
Surprised to see him turn down more money from the Cavs.
This isn’t a guy who’s made 40-50 million in the league already.

[dipt1982Participant]

In the long run it will payoff for Barnes, he wants to win also. He’s not struggling for money, he’s an NBA player.

@ Rudeboy, I’m a Lakers fan as well, but do you really think Caracter and Ebanks are cornerstone type players? I’m not sold on that right now, possibly they could be, but there is no proven evidence at this point. Even in two years, neither one of those guys will be starters…I do like what they bring to the roster though, length and hard work…

[ghettosermonParticipant]

Lakers under contract:

1. Ron Artest
2. Steve Blake
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Andrew Bynum
5. Derrick Fisher
6. Pau Gasol
7. Matt Barnes
8. Lamar Odom
9. Theo Ratliff
10. Sasha Vujacic
11. Luke Walton
12.

That leaves one more active roster spot and that’s if they don’t retain Shannon Brown. IMO the spot would go to Caracter because of the departure of Josh Powell and Mbenga.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

Doesnt the NBA have a 15 man roster now?

[fastdanParticipant]

Max you can have is 15, while 12 is the most you can dress on any given night, I believe,

[rtbtParticipant]

There were good reasons Matt Barnes didn’t play during key periods of last season’s playoffs. And the primary reason, Barnes isn’t very good.

Is he a decent addition for the Lakers? YES

Will he make the difference in their run for another title? NO

[stanford hoops]

Lakers kept 13 last year and I think they will this year as well. Luke Walton back will prob keep him from dressing most of the time

[JNixonParticipant]

Lol, thank you rtbt. I’ve never been a big Matt Barnes guy. He’s honestly not that good of a player at all. He’s tough, but he doesn’t make the Lakers better or worse.

[stanford hoops]

Also not a big barnes fan but he does make us better because we had no good sf off the bench. Even a lil production off the bench makes a team better

[stanford hoops]

I remener ariza not playing much for Orlando as well. Brown the same in Cleveland. The lakers tend to make players look or play better with the triangle. On top of having better players around and getting wide open shots u would never get on other teams.

[JNixonParticipant]

Very true. Good points my man…

[stanford hoops]

Now if ariza was our back up and he left and we got barnes then I’d say it doesn’t make us better or worst. But although barnes isn’t the best sg out there the triangle is great for things he does well The laker moves don’t get the credit that it deserves. The names might not be big but the moves are because we all know what our two weaknesses were and that’s pg and bench. Now we can’t put out five guys off the bench who play good defense. Can shoot. Have good basketball iq and hustle. Which will give our starters more rest which in turn will make them even more effective

[llperez]

barnes has helped orlando, phoenix and golden state all in recent years while playing a key role. How do you not think he will help the lakers?

[JNixonParticipant]

All 3 of those places are the 3 most player friendly places in the NBA. And he didn’t play a real key role, as rtbt mentioned, down the stretches of the most important points in Orlando’s season.

He’s probably gonna get like 5 or 6 ppg though next year, play solid D sometimes and make quite a few mistakes too, and shoot in the low 40% range. If you consider that making a difference, that’s you.

[llperez]

didnt play a key role? I guess we have a differnt opinion on what a jkey role is. Best defender on all those team at the wing position starter and close to double digit scorer. If you dont consider that a key role, thats you.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

who’s going to the lakers next…. after they get into a fight with kobe?

[JNixonParticipant]

He wasn’t a better defender than Mikael Pietrus on the perimeter, and he wasn’t a better defender than Dwight Howard but he wasn’t on the wing. So he was NEVER the best defender on that Magic team.

He rarely saw time in the 4th quarter or just before half-time of games. So he didn’t play a key role in the most important parts of the Magic season. Especially since he very rarely played in the 4th quarter. I don’t know what it is about Mat Barnes that has you so excited, but don’t expect much more than the stats I put above next year. He’s seriously not that good.

[SteroidParticipant]

He shot .487% last year. That isn’t low at all for a perimeter player. He also got 5.5 boards per game and 8.8 pts per game which isn’t bad at all for a role player. He did this on basically 26 mins per game.

I didn’t watch him that much, but honestly, there were a lot of Orlando players who didn’t play well down the stretch, so calling him out on he didn’t play well when the team, as a collective unit, didn’t play well is moot. Barnes will have an easy role to play for the Lakers that won’t put a lot of pressure on him and it will allow him to play within himself.

[llperez]

last year barnes hsot 49%. No reason to believe he wont get as good of looks as ever whiile playing with the lakers. SO saying low 40’s% is just assuming the worst case scenario on that one. You tink he is gonna get 5 or 6 points? Again, thats possible due ot the lakers being so deep, but thats a worst case prediction. If sasha can get 5 points, barnes should get that easy. Play solid D sometimes? Thats about the worst way to describe a guy who has made a name for himslef in this league on his defense and has gaurded the other teams best perimiter player for the last 4 -5 years. Make quite a few mistakes? Barnes is actually a guy who knows his role and doesnt force too much. You rarely see him over dirbbling or forcing bad shots. His career average is 1.2 turnovers per game. You basically just took the absolute worst possible scenarios for him in all phases of the game and assume that will be what he brings next year.

Here’s what i expect. About 18 minutes a game with about 7ppg on solid shooting. Well above average defense which is gonna be key when you consider the rest the wing bench is luke, sasha and an unprove rookie in ebanks. You dont want those guys checking lebron or wade in a possible matchup. His presence will defenitly help similar to what james posey brought to the 2008 celtics team.

[JNixonParticipant]

How many other times has Matt Barnes shot 49% from the field? Regressed with every series the Magic were apart of. He had a relatively good regular season statistically last year, but if you don’t understand how to read stats and how Barnes will adjust to the Lakers and a less free-flowing offense, it does no good to post stats.

He doesn’t overdribble because he knows he can’t create his own shots. He has to score on the offensive glass, in transition and spotting up. How many offensive rebounds will he get with Odom, Gasol, and Bynum on the floor? And even though he’ll make the ocassional open shot, he’s not a strong statistical shooter at all.

I think he’s going to get 5 or 6 ppg, but it has nothing to do with the Lakers being that deep. They only play an 8 or 9 man rotation, and past Odom and Brown that rotation wasn’t “so deep.” He’ll get 5 or 6 pg because he’s not that good offensively and he won’t be askd to score more than that. He shot his best percentage last season with Orlando, but I HIGHLY doubt he can do that again, seeing as that’s by far the best he’s ever shot since college.

He defends the other teams best player for short spurts, but is he really a good defender? He fouls at a high rate. Not rare to see him foul a jump shooter or fall asleep and leave a guy open in the corner. He’s not all that good a defender really, he’s tough, contests and fouls more than he should. Not like he’ll take a good scorer guy of the game.

Will he rebound well with Bynum, Odom and Gasol? I doubt it. And since the Lakers don’t depend on fast break very much, or nearly as much as any team he’s played on in the past, I doubt he can score as much. And that in with the fact that he’s not a great shooter and I question what he’ll do next year. Maybe you guys WANT him to be a great player becuase he’s going to the Lakers, but I don’t see it. Barnes isn’t all that good at all.

[llperez]

he was playing through injuries in the playoffs too and had ot sit out a lot with a bad back and the coach even openly discussed how it effected his play. Also, the whole magic team was struggling to get in the offense and create plays. Boston was locking vince and dwight down and barnes absolutely relies on those guys to set him up for looks, which thus hurt  his ability to get points and shoot a high percentage.

You then point out how he doesnt overdribble becasue he cant consistnely create his own offense. I agrre with that. SO where does the he will make a bunch of mistake come into play if we agree he doesnt force his own offense or over dribble?

And yes, he really is a good defender. No question on that one. And who said anything about Great player? I just said he will help just like he has helped teams throughout his career. He doesnt have to be a great player. But for you to suggest he wont have any impact, you might as well be talking about him like he was some scrub who wont be a part of the rotation, which  he will.

[JNixonParticipant]

He makes a bunch of mistakes on D, that’s why I said he’ll play good D sometimes and then make a bunch of mistakes. That’s why I grouped the words together like that….

He’s not all that good a defender lol..He’s foul prone and will rarely if ever take his matchup out of a game. He’s decent and scrappy, but he’s not the type you put on the other teams best player and expect him to take out the game or score real inefficiently.

He’ll produce some, but he’s not going to make the Lakers a much better or worse team. This signing is no big deal at all, because Barnes isn’t that good.

[llperez]

If hes not all that good a defender, then 90% of the nba aint all that good a defender. Ill take guys who are not all that good defenders on my roster everyday then. And i agree he wont make them MUCH better, but he certainly will help whcih you implied he wont do by saying he wont make them any better or worse. Lots of teams would have loved to have had him and when ron or kobe go out to rest and its the playoffs, its gonna be great to know you have a veteran who is a very good defender to come in and provide minutes. No one is suggesting he single handidly adds 10 wins or anything.

[stanford hoops]

thats youre opinion iggy but the majority of nba talking heads and fans dont see it the same way and hold barnes in higher reguard then yu do. the triangle offense is perfect for a good three point shooter which barnes is. its obvious that this improves a laker bench that didnt have this last year. the lakers offense is better for three point shooters to be open then the orlando offense because teams have to focus more on gasol and kobe. barnes is a very good defender which isnt disputable no matter how much you may not like him. im guessing all the other nba teams that talk about him being a good defender must be wrong. no laker fan is saying hes a great player but you are downgrading his tru ability for no reasonable reason. the guy has PROVEN to be a good effective off the bench player for awhile now on teams that dont have as many weapons or as great of a coach as phil jackson

[JNixonParticipant]

90% of the NBA aren’t good defenders lol….Possibly even more.

But ok. If you think Barnes is going to make much, if any, real impact next year we’ll see. I very seriously doubt it though obviously. He’s not a very good player

[rtbtParticipant]

JNixon-Iggy9, I agree with you.

First, his shooting form is poor and erratic, hence, he’s inconsistent. Barnes will hit 3 in a row and then miss 4 in a row. You will see him miss badly on wide open shots and then hit a shot you didn’t think had a prayer of going in.

Second, he tries hard on defense but he isn’t very smart and is often out of position.

Third, Llperez made some good points. I agree he will help the Lakers, but overall, this isn’t much of a plus.

[stanford hoops]

it makes no sense to say it doesnt make them better when hes replacing LUKE WALTON..LOL who put up 2pts and one rebound a game last year. even at barnes worst case senerio 6pts and 3reb is better then walts numbers while being a better defender and better shooter(even though theres zero proof that barnes will all of a sudden shoot such low numbers with more wide open shots)

[llperez]

All we can do is wait and see, but just so im clear on this, you think

a-he does not help the laker get better

b-he is not a very good defender

c-he has never been a key role player on a team

are all of the above the way you in fact feel about matt barnes?

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah Barnes is a 3-point shooter….His career high 36% is the stuff legends are made of lol

[stanford hoops]

i agree with yeah a lil rtb it isnt a big plus but the lakers didnt need a big plus..but it is a plaus/upgrade from last season which is all you need when you are already the champs

[stanford hoops]

yeah trevor ariza wasnt much of a shooter or player as well as brown before becoming a laker. its alot easier to be a better shooter when you are gonna be WIDE OPEN..lol..

[stanford hoops]

its obvious hes letting his personal feelings cloud his opinion of barnes since barnes is a proven off the bench guy

[JNixonParticipant]

I don’t think he makes them better

He’s a decent defender. He’s not “very good” on that end though. Nothing special.

He was a key role player on the Warriors a few years ago, but other than that he’s not exactly key. He actually limited Orlando this past season when it mattered most, and regressed in every playoff series, which has to count for something.

[stanford hoops]

yeah theres no way hes a up grade from luke walton..what ever could we be thinking

[JNixonParticipant]

He played in Orlando, Pheonix, AND Golden State and proved to be an average to below average on all of those high-level 3-point shooting teams. Ariza played for the Lakers 1 year and had a single good 3-point shooting year.

He didn’t play for the kinds of offenses Barnes did, which cater to 3-point shooting, and still manage to be an average to below average shooter like Barnes has.

[JNixonParticipant]

If you YOU tried out for the Lakers YOU would be an upgrade over Luke Walton. lol. That isn’t saying much at all…

[dipt1982Participant]

At this point, anything was a step up from what Walton was giving the lakers. If you can’t notice Barnes for what he is, a hard working, defensive minded guy who can shoot the three (especially when open, which he will be), than you just don’t know the game very well. He will fit the role of Ariza, just not to same extent as Ariza did (cause he got more minutes than Barnes will). But he is an upgrade, and they didn’t need to make a drastic move, just one that will fill in the holes. The Lakers have done that beautifully with the recent signings. And I just read that they are talking to Shannon Brown trying to work something out by next week.

With that being said, my earlier post predictions of Ebanks and Caracter BOTH not making the active roster is still very wide open…

[stanford hoops]

yeah theres no way hes a up grade from luke walton..what ever could we be thinking. so wait his playoffs this year just erases what he did through out the season?..man the cavs need to go ahead and cut mo williams and antwan jamison. kevin durant prob shouldnt have gotten that extension with how bad he shot against the lakers. ray allen prob shouldnt be resigned because other then that big game he didnt do much. there wold be a bunch of off the bench players that would be out of jobs if GMS were dumb enough to just go by one playoffs. why did teams even try to get joe johnson with how bad he played

[llperez]

Barnes will play a solid role and help the team, especially when they play the elite teams in the league and have to get after it defensively. He is a great insurance policy as well if there is an injury. Nobody has siad he is something spectacular. I just dont understand how people could say he wont help the team be better.

[stanford hoops]

browns agent said chances are good that with the signing of barnes that brown wont be signing with the lakers. kinda sad about that cuz id liek to resign brown

oh yeah marcus gortat was horrible in the playoffs the magic need to just go ahead and cut him along with ryan anderson

rashard lewis shot about the same as barnes and was not a factor at all he needs to be cut

[llperez]

barnes did disapear in the playoffs pretty bad, but he was playing with a bad back that severly limited him. He also still shot 38% from 3 and did a decent job bringing toughness on the court. If he is healthy, he will be fine.

[JNixonParticipant]

Compare Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Kevin Durant, Mo Williams, Antwaan Jamison’s playoff performance with Matt Barnes’ and tell me who had a better playoff. A MUCH better playoff. I’ll save you the trouble of looking it up, since all of them fit into the “much better playoff category” in comparison to Barnes.

Come with a better example than that LOL…They had bad playoffs for their All-Star level standards. Matt Barnes played bad for a player that’s not very good in the 1st place…HUGE difference

[stanford hoops]

you gotta realize llperez some people just dont know how to seperate there dislike/like for a player from how good (or bad in some cases) a player is.

yeah we are laker fans but nothing we have said is a homer opinion. 8pts and 4reb a game from matt while playing good defense is very very reasonable even in less minutes then he usually gets because of the wide open looks he will have from playing with 2 all nba guys. its not like anyone is saying hes gonna come in challenge for a starting spot and cross people up while putting up double figures a game

its also not liek any lakers are saying theo ratliff is gonna be the great off the bench big man because i dont expect much more out of him then what mbenga did but hes active and a big body.

i just dont see what sense does it make to say adding a pretty good bench player doesnt make a team better whos bench (minus odom) was pretty bad and the new guy is replacing luke walton who when healthy isnt that bad but hasnt been healthy in a minute. just makes no sense

[stanford hoops]

the example isnt the players name its youre point of saying a playoff performance has to count for something which it obviously dont if other teams where tryna sign barnes

[llperez]

yeah, its hard to argue the lakers bench wasnt very good or deep last year and then say a solid bench player being added wont help the team both at the same time.

[stanford hoops]

its pretty obvious that youre opinion is shared by very very few. i havent read/heard any one else say barnes is not a very good player at all. reguardless how YOU feel hes know around the leauge as a pretty good bench player who happened to start for a magic team who was a top 3 team in the nba. i guess any not very good player can do that

[stanford hoops]

exactly…iggy has zero proof to back up his statement that barnes isnt a upgrade and doesnt make the lakers team/bench better. just his personal feelings about barnes

[JNixonParticipant]

“the example isnt the players name its youre point of saying a playoff performance has to count for something which it obviously dont if other teams where tryna sign barnes”

It does if you’re not that good. It won’t matter in free agency, but to me as a fan free agency doesn’t matter much and it’s more about what happens when you take the court. The playoff series isn’t the end-all-do-all, but of course you probably didn’t read what I said in the rest of this post. Because I broke down reasons that go far beyond the playoffs.

[rtbtParticipant]

Llperez, I wasn’t sure if you were directing your questions at me or someone else, but I’ll give it a shot.

1. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Barnes overall is a plus for the Lakers.

2. Barnes tries hard on defense but he isn’t smart and often finds himself out of position. But I give him an A for effort but his defense is overrated because of his effort.

3. He is too inconsistent on the offense end of the court.

Look back at the recent playoffs, there were good reasons why Van Gundy stopped relying on Barnes.

[dipt1982Participant]

He could have gotten more money from other teams to come in and start. I guess those GM’s are idiots. The Lakers just got lucky that he was content with taking less money to play for a winner. He has the tools to be a solid role player, he doesn’t have to be special.

I don’t see the sense in saying he can’t help, it’s like saying Bruce Bowen didn’t help the Spurs. Bowen never scored much, but he was what he was, a utility player who was defensive minded. Barnes is not Bowen, so don’t go on any rant about that. I’m just stating that Barnes will effect the game in a much bigger role than Walton ever could. If that’s not an upgrade worth noting, then I just don’t get your reasoning…?

[JNixonParticipant]

“i havent read/heard any one else say barnes is not a very good player at all. ”

Read what rtbt said, and what Adi Joseph has said on this site in some other post. I am not the only person that think/knows Matt Barnes isn’t that good.

[stanford hoops]

im still tryna find one site where it says the lakers didnt get better by signing barnes (espn,cnnsi,cbssports,fox sport,jim rome,colin calhurd,nbatv, talk at the gym im at now, talking to jazz fans out here who hate the lakers wirth a passion) and i cant find one person who thinks this doesnt make the lakers better( ermember i didnt say wayyyyy or muuuuch better)..especially considering hes replacing luke walton

[stanford hoops]

” I agree he will help the Lakers, but overall, this isn’t much of a plus.”-rtbt

i agree its not the biggest signing in the world but it helps the lakers which. what ever helps you obviously makes you better when you had ZERO help at that position

[dipt1982Participant]

Barnes is not a player you have to “rely on”, I don’t understand some of you people’s comments. Your making him out to be some potential star player that will/should change the Lakers drastically. It will be a subtle upgrade, but an upgrade nonetheless.

All you have to do is listen to how reporters, NBA columnists and talk show guys are reacting VERY positively towards the Barnes signing. I guess they are all stupid and don’t know the game as well as some NBADraft.net posters, LMAO…It’s not worth arguing with someone who won’t reason with you.

[JNixonParticipant]

I say he makes them marginally better. Not much better or worse if at all. This signing isn’t worth 76 posts and counting on this site lol. He makes them better *technically* because he’ll add whatever production he brings to the table.

Happy now!?

[dipt1982Participant]

Whoa, he has proof of 3 ‘whole’ posters on an amateur message board who think Barnes is overrated, they gotta be correct…damn, I feel dumb…lol

[dipt1982Participant]

He signed for so little money, it was a steal for what he brings to the table…

[stanford hoops]

exactly dip. people just cant stand us CHAMPS getting better. wayyyyyyy more people think the lakers got better with barnes. even if they didnt think that i know they did when i see jazz fans say DAMN when they heard barnes signed with the lakers. when jazz fans dont liek it then you know its good for the lakers..lol

[JNixonParticipant]

Dipt1982

You said Marcin Gortat would average 15 ppg 11 rpg and 2 bpg if he played for the Celtics. You shouldn’t even be INVOLVED in a basketball-related conversation for the next week.

[stanford hoops]

you can also tell it makes us better by looking at the comments on the post after peopel thought barnes was going to the raptors

[stanford hoops]

lol..wow 15 and 11 for the celtics…damn dip you just made my arguement have less merit(lol..j/k)

[JNixonParticipant]

The Raptors fans also said they were going to be a top 5 playoff team next year after they signed Hedo Turkoglu last year. They are singing a whole different tone this off-season. I don’t need them to validate my opinion anyway…

[dipt1982Participant]

That was my one spur of the moment bad comment, Iggy you have quite more ridiculous remarks/comparisons, don’t even start…

All I was trying to make clear, was that Gortat would make a better impact had he had the same minutes as Perkins, didn’t mean to go with the 15-11, that was high…

[dipt1982Participant]

Yeah well, the Raptors were bad, and the Lakers are already the Champs, so it doesn’t hurt them, what is your point by that statement???

[llperez]

@rtbt, in regards to the reasons stan stopped relying so much on barnes in the playoffs, as i have pointed out a few times in this thread, it was largely becasue he was playing through a bad back. Stan openly said that and watching barnes play he looked stiff. I saw him step up in the playoffs for the warriors in the past and play solid ball for the last 4-5 years to know better then to put a ton into what he did in the playoffs when he wasnt at 100%.

[dipt1982Participant]

Maybe I should start making dumber comments more often, cause it seems if I make one bad one, it’s glamorized more than a bunch of bad ones (Iggy)…LMAO, whatever though, I don’t care, I can be wrong sometimes and actually ADMIT IT

[SteroidParticipant]

“Compare Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Kevin Durant, Mo Williams, Antwaan Jamison’s playoff performance with Matt Barnes’ and tell me who had a better playoff. A MUCH better playoff. I’ll save you the trouble of looking it up, since all of them fit into the “much better playoff category” in comparison to Barnes.”

Ok when you compare Barnes to those guys, then there is something wrong with your expectations of ROLE PLAYERS and honestly, it makes your opinion invalid on this subject. Those guys have been all-stars before. They aren’t bench players. Barnes is not an all-star caliber player at all. He is a solid ROLE PLAYER. Teams have depended on those guys to win games at some point in their career. Guys like Barnes aren’t depended on to win games. Barnes is a bonus to what the Lakers are trying to do. Compared to the Lakers’ bench last year, Barnes is a much needed upgrade to their bench because it was sporadic. Barnes outperforming any of those guys in the playoffs will be an anomaly, and Barnes’ role is not the same as those guys.

[JNixonParticipant]

I made like 3-5 bad comparisons out of more than 8,000 posts lol…And only 2 have been proven 🙂

You were trying to make clear that Gortat could average 15 ppg 11 rpg and 2 bpg. You were making clear EXACTLY what you said. And you should go to sleep for it smh

[stanford hoops]

im going by the non raptors fans who said the barnes signing was good for them. not that i had to because every sports network and talking nba head is in agreement that barnes makes the lakers/there bench better compared to two people( you and adi) who thinks other wise. no different then some guys who think kobe isnt that good of a player

[dipt1982Participant]

3-5 is YOUR opinion, but I’ve noticed you say a lot of dumb shit, like I said, I DONT CARE. I’m not looking for your approval of what I say, so your input means little to me. But saying Barnes isn’t an upgrade from Walton is just dumb…

[dipt1982Participant]

But Jimmer Freddette will be a “very good NBA player” right??? LMAO…I guess we will see…

[JNixonParticipant]

Steriod, plaease read what was said to me and how I respond. In no way did I compare them to Barnes, the person that ASKED the question (stanfordhoops) was the one that made the comparison.

[stanford hoops]

like i said before its not the players im comparing its the comment of a players playoff performance in one season should count for something. i dont think anyone is comparing barnes to the players just sayign that the comment of “his playoff performence has to count for something” when its doesnt on top of barnes not being completely healthy

dont be like those people who try to turn things around liek if i said some hs or college guy is a great player then some dummy says ” so youre saying hes as good as jordan or kobe because they are also great players”

[JNixonParticipant]

Lol, ok. I say alot of dumb stuff. Alright haha.

“But saying Barnes isn’t an upgrade from Walton is just dumb…”

When did I say that? I said the exact opposite of that lol.

[stanford hoops]

if barnes is a upgrade from walton then that obviously makes the lakers better

[dipt1982Participant]

“Lol, thank you rtbt. I’ve never been a big Matt Barnes guy. He’s honestly not that good of a player at all. He’s tough, but he doesn’t make the Lakers better or worse.”

Your words, not mine, isn’t that the same as saying they didn’t make an upgrade??? I’m confused…He doesn’t make the Lakers better, but that’s not the same as saying they didn’t make an upgrade???

[JNixonParticipant]

“I say he makes them marginally better. Not much better or worse if at all. This signing isn’t worth 76 posts and counting on this site lol. He makes them better *technically* because he’ll add whatever production he brings to the table.

Happy now!?”

“If you YOU tried out for the Lakers YOU would be an upgrade over Luke Walton. lol. That isn’t saying much at all…”

[llperez]

see, this is how this thread should have gone:

iggy: barnes does not make the lakers any better or any worse

perez: how can you say he doesnt make the lakers any better?

iggy: okay, he will help, but it wont be all that significant. Im not as high on him as others.

perez: cool, we’ll see.

and that should have been about the end of it. Instead iggy tired to justify why barnes doesnt make the lakers any better by overstating his weakness and basically trying to make barnes into a scrub and saying things like he has never even been a key role player. Then there is a huge back and forth and now iggy is saying okay, he will help, but it’s not all that special a pickup, which is what he should have just said from the get go and saved us all some time.

[stanford hoops]

lol…exactly@llperez

[JNixonParticipant]

I NEVER said he never has been a key player. Why do you keep saying that? I said he wasn’t a key player in Orlando’s playoff run.

I changed my stance on him not making them better or worse because y’all got technical and said his production would make him better, which obviously is true since they didn’t really have a backup SF. I guess I meant to say his IMPACT ON THE LAKERS wouldn’t make them better or worse. I still stand behind the fact that he’ll get 5 ppg, play hard yet inefficient on D, and low 40’s % from the field. But any production would make them better since they didn’t have a true backup SF last year.

[llperez]

okay, i msiread the key role player comment. Still doesnt change my opinion on this thread. Pretty much everyone agrees he was a solid pickup and will help the lakers.

[GrandmamaParticipant]

Who cares about Matt Barnes? Why are there over 100 posts about this piece of sh*t?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

Wow… What happened in this thread lol?

Barnes’ statistics probably won’t be great, but he’s a very good pick up and will make the Lakers a stronger team. He brings more of that intensity and ruggedness that the Lakers have lacked in the past. He’ll bring defense, energy and hustle off of the bench. He’s not a lights out shooter, but he’ll knock down timely shots too. We know he won’t back down from anybody either.

I’m happy for Barnes. It’s not everyday that a player gets to go home and play for his home state team. The Lakers have had a great off-season in my opinion.

[d-grizzlyParticipant]

after reading 3 pages of what seemed to be a ridiculous waste of time….can anyone answer my question all the way back on the first page?

who’s next in becoming a laker…after getting into a fight with kobe bryant?

[dipt1982Participant]

^^^ I heard Charlie Ward was thinking of a comeback, LMAO

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

the lakers will workout shaq & chris childs on monday

[JNixonParticipant]

Matt Barnes. The player championships are built around

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ lol

[WizardofOzParticipant]

^^ lol

[JNixonParticipant]

Matt Barnes. The player championships are built around

[WizardofOzParticipant]

But for real, he had NO impact for them down the stretch and in the playoffs. I really forgot he was on their roster.

[WizardofOzParticipant]

But for real, he had NO impact for them down the stretch and in the playoffs. I really forgot he was on their roster.

[JNixonParticipant]

I tried to tell these guys he’s not very good. Everyone, was like you’re talking about him like he’s a bum. He did nothing last year when it mattered.

[JNixonParticipant]

I tried to tell these guys he’s not very good. Everyone, was like you’re talking about him like he’s a bum. He did nothing last year when it mattered.

[McDunkin]

This lockout is really looking to be the rapture of NBADraft.nets forums

[McDunkin]

This lockout is really looking to be the rapture of NBADraft.nets forums

[llperez]

he was injured all year. I didnt predict he would be playing hurt. But glad you bumped a year old thread to boast about a guy who didnt have an impact becasue he was hurt. lol

[llperez]

he was injured all year. I didnt predict he would be playing hurt. But glad you bumped a year old thread to boast about a guy who didnt have an impact becasue he was hurt. lol

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah, cause he was the missing piece to the Lakers getting out of the 2nd round.

[JNixonParticipant]

Yeah, cause he was the missing piece to the Lakers getting out of the 2nd round.

[llperez]

what does that even mean? He was supposed to be a solid backup. He was hurt and played through injuries and missed some time even. We have no idea what type of impact he would have had had he been healthy. But if that makes you feel good that he was injured and didnt produce, go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Not like you havent been wrong before

[llperez]

what does that even mean? He was supposed to be a solid backup. He was hurt and played through injuries and missed some time even. We have no idea what type of impact he would have had had he been healthy. But if that makes you feel good that he was injured and didnt produce, go ahead and pat yourself on the back. Not like you havent been wrong before

[JNixonParticipant]

*Pats self on the back*

[JNixonParticipant]

*Pats self on the back*

[llperez]

actually i take it back, you shouldnt pat yourself on the back. Cant really judge a guy due to injury.

[llperez]

actually i take it back, you shouldnt pat yourself on the back. Cant really judge a guy due to injury.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"Yeah, cause he was the missing piece to the Lakers getting out of the 2nd round."

LMFAO

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

"Yeah, cause he was the missing piece to the Lakers getting out of the 2nd round."

LMFAO

[llperez]

actually if you go back to the first page and read my predictions for barnes, I said "18 minutes, 7 points high 40"s fg% and above average defense". Well he got 19 minutes, 6.7ppg 47%fg and played above average defense when healthy. If only he hadnt missed 30 games and went into the playoffs really hurting i would be like nosterdamus on this one.

[llperez]

actually if you go back to the first page and read my predictions for barnes, I said "18 minutes, 7 points high 40"s fg% and above average defense". Well he got 19 minutes, 6.7ppg 47%fg and played above average defense when healthy. If only he hadnt missed 30 games and went into the playoffs really hurting i would be like nosterdamus on this one.

[Knicksboy3Participant]

 If Matt Barnes was 100%,  do you think they beat Dallas LL?

[Knicksboy3Participant]

 If Matt Barnes was 100%,  do you think they beat Dallas LL?

[aamir543Participant]

If Kobe was 100% they could have beat anyone. I think kobe is just drained in every way possible. (His knee in a litteral sense too.)

[aamir543Participant]

If Kobe was 100% they could have beat anyone. I think kobe is just drained in every way possible. (His knee in a litteral sense too.)

[llperez]

hell no they dont beat dallas if matt was 100%, he wasnt gonna make up for that much. Lakers had lots of issues in the playoffs.

[llperez]

hell no they dont beat dallas if matt was 100%, he wasnt gonna make up for that much. Lakers had lots of issues in the playoffs.

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

he nor steve blake fit in phil jackson’s system….

barnes has been solid everywhere he has been…he’s never be more than a role player..but alot of teams would love a guy like him..

he’s a gritty player,he does things that gets in opposing players head..that can cause them to get off their game..nice inside game and passing skills..

he has 3 point range,but it can be streaky at times..and sometimes it seems like he ignores team sets….and trys to do his own thing..i think thats why he’s moved around so much..

[RUDEBOY_Participant]

he nor steve blake fit in phil jackson’s system….

barnes has been solid everywhere he has been…he’s never be more than a role player..but alot of teams would love a guy like him..

he’s a gritty player,he does things that gets in opposing players head..that can cause them to get off their game..nice inside game and passing skills..

he has 3 point range,but it can be streaky at times..and sometimes it seems like he ignores team sets….and trys to do his own thing..i think thats why he’s moved around so much..

[KG2124Participant]

 Matt Barnes is a solid defensive player and 3 point option when he’s not injured like he was last year. He didn’t get a chance to make a big impact

[KG2124Participant]

 Matt Barnes is a solid defensive player and 3 point option when he’s not injured like he was last year. He didn’t get a chance to make a big impact

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