[sheltwon3Participant]

I hear they are looking to trade Barg and build around DeRozan and Ed Davis.  That means that the1, 3, and 5 spots are up for upgrade.  They can get either the 1 and 3 in the draft and trade for a 1, 3, or 5.  I still like them to go after Dalembert sign him, draft Williams or Irving.  Trade Barg to a team for whatever position you can need after all that.

[dmo21Participant]

The hard part about trading Bargnani is that I don’t think they will get equal back for him because of his potential and his mismatch ability as a mobile 3 point shooting 7 footer.

[Scottoant93Participant]

Finally Bargnani can go to a franchise who has a REAL coach and maybe develop(if he doesn’t, then it is all his fault) I know raptors fans don’t like him but They should be at least grateful that one player didn’t choose to leave them, like every other player.

[Scottoant93Participant]

Finally Bargnani can go to a franchise who has a REAL coach and maybe develop(if he doesn’t, then it is all his fault) I know raptors fans don’t like him but They should be at least grateful that one player didn’t choose to leave them, like every other player.

[rtbtParticipant]

The problem with Bargnani is he’s playing out of postion as a center. Just check out his rebounding stats and you know he isn’t a number one. He would be a mismatch nightmare for many power forwards in the league, but then again, one of the primary jobs of a PF is rebounding and he would fail big time.

I haven’t seen Bargnani play very often so I’m wondering if he has enough mobility to play Small Forward. My guess is no, but once again, it would create a mismatch on both ends of the court. I don’t think any small forwards can guard a 7 footer but they would have a quickness advantage against him on the offensive end.

So where do you play Bargnani?

[dmo21Participant]

They tried him at small forward when they had Bosh and Jermaine O’Neal. It didn’t work out that great even though it looked like a great idea especially with a shot blocking presence of O’Neal.. I don’t think a team with Bargs at the 3 can play man to man defense as he would get blown by most of the time, but he has pretty good quickness and could follow the guys who went past them and maybe get blocks… I think he needs to play beside a center who plays in the low post and can block shots.

[Scottoant93Participant]

I think its PF, they have to rebound but not as much as a center, plus he can strech the floor around out since he can hit the 3. He needs to a team that already has a goor/great center such as Orlando, Hornets, Jazz, maybe the nets.

[rtbtParticipant]

Thanks guys, that confirms my guess which is Bargani would fit in as a PF playing alongside a very powerful rebounding center.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Also if a team has a really good rebounding 3 like Gerald Wallace type then he could work.  I also think in time he should at least rebound at 7 or 8 a game because even Dirk gets rebounds even though he plays away from the basket a lot.

[morestealsthanscoresParticipant]

 with last two- i’d love to see bargs at milwaukee or orlando

[WizardofOzParticipant]

I think that Bargs would be a great 6th man for any team. He’s offensively gifted, but is being exposed in the starting lineup for his poor defense and rebounding. He would be a great scoring punch off the bench.

[rtbtParticipant]

Dirk averaged 8.4 rpg over his career but I think he has much higher numbers in the playoffs.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Dirk can rebound.  Also even if Toronto does not get talent for talent equal value if they can get a solid piece in their line up they will be good.  There are some good 3 men that could be available.  I am kind of sold on them taking Irving and having him develop behind Caulderon.

I am looking at it like this

 

Caulderon/Irving

Derozan/Barbosa(could be trade bait)

??????/James Johnson/ Kleiza

Davis/Amir Johnson

Dalembert(supposely he loves Toronto and they can pay him just as much as Sac or do a sign and trade)

You would need to trade Barg to help fill that ?????? spot.  Add some more bench players like Bayless

Irving would sit behind Caulderon for half the year then Caulderon would be a bk up until his contract is done or he is moved.

[QuazedUnicornParticipant]

I feel a trade to the jazz would be a decent option even though ive liked bargs but not as the main guy i think utah like him because they have al jefferson but i would love to see Paul Millsap come over because they have favours. and raja bell or gordan hayward would be nice. because look at james johnson ever since coming over hes been getting playinh time and i think hes enjoying the fact that hes not on the bench every game maybe hayward could do the same. thats what i think id enjoy feedback FIRST POST haha

[sheltwon3Participant]

James Johnson is a pretty nice players and he could possibly fill that 3 spot need.  Also why would Utah make a deal for Barg.

[mikeyvthedonParticipant]

Orlando. That would honestly be maybe one of the best, at least best as far as being realistic, scoring PF’s to play with Dwight Howard. Andrea is incredibly similar to Rashard Lewis, except at this point I think he is even more versatile as a scorer than Rashard was. Not to mention Dwight would cover up Andrea’s obvious deficiencies as a defender. Do not love the fact that Andrea and Hedo would be playing together again, but it would be an incredibly dangerous offensive team with the pre-eminent low post defender/rebounder in the league. Unfortunately, Toronto would have a hard time getting assets from Orlando that they could use. Unless the Raps could live with Nelson/Q. Rich for Andrea, than I do not see it happening. Not to mention, I doubt that the Magic have much interest in trading Jameer unless they also receive an upgrade at the point spot, which the Raps do not at all possess. If the Raptors maybe wanted to get crazy, they could take on Gilbert’s contract and trade Calderon and Andrea, but that would be INCREDIBLY stupid as Gilbert’s contract is outrageous. So, Orlando is probably a no go.

You would probably trade for Bargnani in either an uptempo system or for using him as an offensive mismatch at preferably the 4 or in a stretch (Raptors) the 5. I think a DREAM trade scenario for Raptors fans, and maybe all of Canada, would be trading Andrea for Steve Nash. Other players would more than likely be involved, and in an incredible best case scenario for the Raptors, if they could score a Nash/Childress for Bargnani/Calderon, I would take it without hesitation. You may be taking a slightly bad contract with Childress, and Nash is more than likely on his way out and may not play for the Raps after his contract is up (and Canada would still love him, I am guessing), but it would be incredible for the development of the team and really push them in a different direction. Still, this is a dream sequence and I do not see it happening.

Other teams I could see the Raps dealing with would be possibly Milwaukee, maybe for a trade centered around either Corey Maggette or Drew Gooden. I think that Bargnani could be the scoring punch that team needs, and they would have Bogut taking the 5, could work pretty well. Pistons could even be a possibility, though I do not love the idea of Monroe/Bargnani, that could be tough defensively. Plus, I am sure Charlie Villaneuva hates that idea as well. Really, I think it could be difficult to get a good value deal for Andrea at this point. He really is what he is at this point, a nice offensive mismatch who will give you headaches with his inabilities as a defender and rebounder. If anyone deserves the "soft" tag in the league, it is probably him. But, I am sure Raptors fans will be kind of glad to be moving in a different direction. It does not appear that the Raps will win building around Andrea, and I think that building around DeRozan/Davis is a far superior strategy. Glad the Raps appear to be doing something about it, and I really hope that the deal turns out well for both the Raptors and Andrea. It would be really interesting to see how he developed on a team that could play to his strengths rather than rely upon him to be something he is clearly not.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Orlando could probably bring a third team in, but would have to give up something possibly some draft picks which they dont tend to use wisely anyway.

[elevation1013Participant]

I like him on the Clips in a 3 man rotation of Blake, Jordan and Andrea. Got everything you need right there.

[omphalosParticipant]

Yeah I’ve long been on the Bargnani to Orlando train. Howard is probably the only C around who can cover his deficiencies enough that the team can be competitive. Bargnani must be frustrated that Bosh is gone and he still isn’t playing C.

I actually wouldn’t mind seeing Bargnani play next to Bynum, but Bynum can’t stay healthy long enough, and already has Gasol who is a perfect fit next to him. If Oden was healthy I’d say him, but Bargnani can’t cover the C position like Gasol can if Oden were to go down.

Just some musings, I’d love for Raptors to take Barnes if he comes out this season. He has a defined position at the 3 so wouldn’t be as high risk as Williams and can be that closer they need with all that icewater in his veins.

Also, if Raptors draft Irving they had better start him from day one even if Calderon gets more minutes.

[OhCanada-Participant]

Alot of people read our threads about Bargnani and figure that he is just playing out of position, whoopdi doo, put him at the 4, problem solved. First of all PF’s need to rebound, play defense, and take good shots. Second of all thier are probally only 10 Centers in the league that can make up for Bargnani’s weakness’s. Heres a brief listof C’s Andrea would be nice next.

Howard
Bynum
Oden
Camby
Bogut

Theres also many that maybe able to work like Dalembert, Beidrins, Chandler, Gortat but its not certain.

Ed Davis is going to be a very good player, his developing well and on his way to be very similar to Kevin Garnett (older years). His footwork has been looking good, he is quick, agile, and his jumpshot is coming around very nicely considering where it was earlier in the season. He needs to add muscle and continue working on his shooting touch. I think if Davis starts and plays 32-mpg next year he has a shot at averaging  14-ppg, 10-rpg, 1.5-apg, 1.5-spg, 2.0-bpg. Would you rather have that in your frontcourt or Bargnani scoring 22-ppg and grabbing 5-rpg.

In all I wont be too mad if they dont trade Bargnani because I know he will help us lose, and get a high draft pick for a very nice 2012 draft. But if he does get moved I will be a very happy fan, I dont care if its for Milwaukee’s 1st round pick, and a bag of chips.

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