[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 Personally, I don’t like the idea of tanking. I understand that the middle of the pack is not a good place to be, but I look at the overall aspect. Would you rather your team always sucked, was good/great for only a short amount of time, or oftentimes always in the middle. I think I’ll take being in the middle. The reason why is because at least you know that your team will almost always compete. When I think of tanking, I have to look at it from a players point of view and team chemistry. I wonder how healthy this tanking will be for the Sixers. Even when they finally have a talented roster with MCW, Noel, Embiid, 2015 pick (Mudiay)  and 2016 pick (Simmons) most likely all starting, Wroten as their 6th man, and McDaniels as their energy/defensive guy off the bench, I still wonder if all this losing is going to start taking its toll. After the 2016 season, will the Sixers even know how to win games or will they be so used to losing that that is all they know how to do?

Is tanking really all that its hyped out to be or is it better to be a middle of the pack team when at least you know your team will always compete. I may be part of the minority but I like my teams to always compete. Then they have a chance to be one of the competing teams. Look at the Grizzlies, they were often a middle of the pack kind of team and now they are a contending team even though they made almost no changes during the offseason. (All they did was add Courtney Lee and Vince Carter, and one of those players is on the decline probably about ready to retire, Carter)

So if your team is always a middle of the pack team, all your team has to do is make one or two tiny tweaks to the roster and all of a sudden they are a contending team! On the other hand when your team often loses or is considered tanking, they have to make several changes to the roster to be considered elite or a contending team. I think I’ll take the former, wouldn’t you?

 

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Look at Detroit they tried to rebuild without losing and have just been horrible , bad enough to get a lottery pick but not an impact player. They are going to lose Monroe this offseason most likley for nothing. I think you need to have a plan sixers have been tanking but keep tanking players that further their tanking bad plans dont work either. The Sixers will be in danger of losing their players of trhe future as well if they dont start winning.

[xJumpManxParticipant]

 Look at Detroit they tried to rebuild without losing and have just been horrible , bad enough to get a lottery pick but not an impact player. They are going to lose Monroe this offseason most likley for nothing. I think you need to have a plan sixers have been tanking but keep tanking players that further their tanking bad plans dont work either. The Sixers will be in danger of losing their players of trhe future as well if they dont start winning.

[HitsterParticipant]

 Phoenix tried to rebuild without losing and it didn’t work at first. The problem is with the smaller market middle range teams who might not be able to attract top FA’s and have to rebuild via the draft. Philly would be a reasonable FA destination if they happened to go down that road, Boston who look as if they are rebuilding via the draft could attract FA’s if needed also.

In recent years both the Thunder and Hawks rebuilt via the draft and since then the Hawks have rebuild a bit more via the draft and FA. The Thunder won very few matches in KD’s first few years but then suddenly clicked.

T-Wolves have had a lot of high picks post KG era but have never really moved forward. The Cavs tried to rebuild via the draft but then went down the trade route to get LeBron win now support.

The Heat rebuilt via FA and it worked superbly, the Knicks didn’t and are again back at square one.

 

[HitsterParticipant]

 Phoenix tried to rebuild without losing and it didn’t work at first. The problem is with the smaller market middle range teams who might not be able to attract top FA’s and have to rebuild via the draft. Philly would be a reasonable FA destination if they happened to go down that road, Boston who look as if they are rebuilding via the draft could attract FA’s if needed also.

In recent years both the Thunder and Hawks rebuilt via the draft and since then the Hawks have rebuild a bit more via the draft and FA. The Thunder won very few matches in KD’s first few years but then suddenly clicked.

T-Wolves have had a lot of high picks post KG era but have never really moved forward. The Cavs tried to rebuild via the draft but then went down the trade route to get LeBron win now support.

The Heat rebuilt via FA and it worked superbly, the Knicks didn’t and are again back at square one.

 

[trombonematrix43Participant]

I watched the Sixers try that with Chris Webber, Glen Robinson, Andrew Bynum, and many other "the other piece Allen Iverson needed to win(not the case with the Bynum acquisition, but Sixers fans you guys remember Billy King)"…I’m not saying this mind set never works but the Sixers tried and it did not work. I’m all for tanking. Can’t lie, I’m really looking forward to Dario Saric when he comes over to the NBA. I think he will be an excellent player.

[Sewok15Participant]

I agree you gotta be all in on the tank after watching all those years of fighting for the 8th seed and how that mindset usually keeps you stuck in mediocrity. This season is rough to watch but it is good to see individual players growing. The team has been improving with a healthy MCW and even though he still can’t shoot a lick and turns it over constantly he gets things done. Noel has been asserting himself offensively more and while it certainly isn’t pretty you can see some development. When Embiid and Saric start playing the Sixers are gonna go from a joke to a solid team real quick especially in the weak East where right now 3 teams under .500 are in position to make the playoffs.

[Sewok15Participant]

I agree you gotta be all in on the tank after watching all those years of fighting for the 8th seed and how that mindset usually keeps you stuck in mediocrity. This season is rough to watch but it is good to see individual players growing. The team has been improving with a healthy MCW and even though he still can’t shoot a lick and turns it over constantly he gets things done. Noel has been asserting himself offensively more and while it certainly isn’t pretty you can see some development. When Embiid and Saric start playing the Sixers are gonna go from a joke to a solid team real quick especially in the weak East where right now 3 teams under .500 are in position to make the playoffs.

[trombonematrix43Participant]

I watched the Sixers try that with Chris Webber, Glen Robinson, Andrew Bynum, and many other "the other piece Allen Iverson needed to win(not the case with the Bynum acquisition, but Sixers fans you guys remember Billy King)"…I’m not saying this mind set never works but the Sixers tried and it did not work. I’m all for tanking. Can’t lie, I’m really looking forward to Dario Saric when he comes over to the NBA. I think he will be an excellent player.

[ropeParticipant]

The Sixers were able to take off when they ABA folded and they got Dr J. Maybe they could hope that the NBDL folds so they can upgrade their roster.

[ropeParticipant]

The Sixers were able to take off when they ABA folded and they got Dr J. Maybe they could hope that the NBDL folds so they can upgrade their roster.

[OrserParticipant]

In the NBA, you’re either a very good-to-great team competing for the title, or you’re everyone else. The last thing I want to watch is a team like the Joe Johnson-era Atlanta Hawks (sorry Hawks fans, I’m sure people picking on your team is annoying) where the team wins 40-50 games and bows out in the first or second round. Reasonable minds can differ, but I’d much rather watch a team that’s either a)contending for a title or b)building towards contending for a title. For me, the ideal would be to have 10-15 year periods of contention mixed with 3 year periods of rebuilding.

I think "tanking" is the best and fastest way to build a contender, especially when the team doesn’t have a superstar and isn’t an especially attractive free agent destination. So I support Hinkie’s moves.

 

[Rip255]

Tanking is the best and fastest way to destroy a franchise. They’re not going to have 15 years of contention after this. There’s so much collateral damage going on. 

I’ve seen tanking for draft picks have disasterous effects in a different sport. The impact it has on the club goes far beyond 2 or 3 seasons with a losing record. 

[Rip255]

Tanking is the best and fastest way to destroy a franchise. They’re not going to have 15 years of contention after this. There’s so much collateral damage going on. 

I’ve seen tanking for draft picks have disasterous effects in a different sport. The impact it has on the club goes far beyond 2 or 3 seasons with a losing record. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Not to sound rude but exactly which team do you cheer for. Being a Raps fan I would much rather have a team that is not likely to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals that I can cheer for genuinely then watch a team lose 50 games a year.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Not to sound rude but exactly which team do you cheer for. Being a Raps fan I would much rather have a team that is not likely to advance to the Eastern Conference Finals that I can cheer for genuinely then watch a team lose 50 games a year.

[OrserParticipant]

In the NBA, you’re either a very good-to-great team competing for the title, or you’re everyone else. The last thing I want to watch is a team like the Joe Johnson-era Atlanta Hawks (sorry Hawks fans, I’m sure people picking on your team is annoying) where the team wins 40-50 games and bows out in the first or second round. Reasonable minds can differ, but I’d much rather watch a team that’s either a)contending for a title or b)building towards contending for a title. For me, the ideal would be to have 10-15 year periods of contention mixed with 3 year periods of rebuilding.

I think "tanking" is the best and fastest way to build a contender, especially when the team doesn’t have a superstar and isn’t an especially attractive free agent destination. So I support Hinkie’s moves.

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Rookies are the opium of the people. 

Have been and always will be. I’m from Cleveland and know a little about sports hopelessness. Rookies and picks give hope for the future and people will take that as long as actual results are unreachable. When quality is reachable then people say screw hope, give me results. 

Philly tried to be a middle of the road team last year and failed miserably then had a fire sale mid season. They actually have a really good, strong, smart coach with a long term plan and they are trying to build a community of guys there. Hopefully it works but that doesn’t mean it will for others.

They are feeling some of the negative results from tanking already. McDaniels will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season and I can see how a smart team will see him as the next Wesley Matthews. 

WHat will Philly do if someone offers 3 years 12 million, effectively making him a top 6 pick in salary over what would be his natural rookie scale deal. 

 

  

 

 

[TheArtistPaysthePriceParticipant]

 Rookies are the opium of the people. 

Have been and always will be. I’m from Cleveland and know a little about sports hopelessness. Rookies and picks give hope for the future and people will take that as long as actual results are unreachable. When quality is reachable then people say screw hope, give me results. 

Philly tried to be a middle of the road team last year and failed miserably then had a fire sale mid season. They actually have a really good, strong, smart coach with a long term plan and they are trying to build a community of guys there. Hopefully it works but that doesn’t mean it will for others.

They are feeling some of the negative results from tanking already. McDaniels will be a restricted free agent at the end of the season and I can see how a smart team will see him as the next Wesley Matthews. 

WHat will Philly do if someone offers 3 years 12 million, effectively making him a top 6 pick in salary over what would be his natural rookie scale deal. 

 

  

 

 

[Rip255]

It’s not good…Philly is making a huge mistake. It’s like watching a train wreck…I cant take my eyes off it. 

This is the second season in a row Philly has made themselves un-watchable. Next season will be the third. So people that want to watch a competitive game of basketball are deprived of that opportunity. 

Free Agents will not want to go to Philly. It’s established itself as a team that embraces losing. See AK47. This is a real problem. 

Dario Saric will not leave Europe to constantly lose in Philly. They’ll have to trade him for cents on the dollar. Dario Saric will never wear a Philly Uniform…he’s going to be well paid overseas and enjoy winning. 

Guys like Michael Carter Williams and KJ McDaniels are going to leave at the first opportunity after the embarassment the team put them through. In McDaniels case…they tried to low-ball him with a 4 year contract on minimum wage. I don’t blame them.

They’re going down in history as the worst professional basketball team ever. Whenever people want an example of a bad team, Philly will come to mind. Congratulations Cleveland, there’s a new loser in town. 

Other owners know this situation gives the players way more leverage in CBA negotiation. How hard can the owners really be doing it if this is a legit option. They’re contributing nothing to Basketball Related Revenue. 

The entire city has become a laughing stock. If I were from Philly, I’d be ashamed to be associated with the team. 

My prediction: Philly destroys its credibility in the league and doesn’t make the NBA playoffs for 10 years, and alienates an entire fan base in the process. It was a good idea in theory…but they’re burning too many bridges in the meantime. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rip255]

It’s not good…Philly is making a huge mistake. It’s like watching a train wreck…I cant take my eyes off it. 

This is the second season in a row Philly has made themselves un-watchable. Next season will be the third. So people that want to watch a competitive game of basketball are deprived of that opportunity. 

Free Agents will not want to go to Philly. It’s established itself as a team that embraces losing. See AK47. This is a real problem. 

Dario Saric will not leave Europe to constantly lose in Philly. They’ll have to trade him for cents on the dollar. Dario Saric will never wear a Philly Uniform…he’s going to be well paid overseas and enjoy winning. 

Guys like Michael Carter Williams and KJ McDaniels are going to leave at the first opportunity after the embarassment the team put them through. In McDaniels case…they tried to low-ball him with a 4 year contract on minimum wage. I don’t blame them.

They’re going down in history as the worst professional basketball team ever. Whenever people want an example of a bad team, Philly will come to mind. Congratulations Cleveland, there’s a new loser in town. 

Other owners know this situation gives the players way more leverage in CBA negotiation. How hard can the owners really be doing it if this is a legit option. They’re contributing nothing to Basketball Related Revenue. 

The entire city has become a laughing stock. If I were from Philly, I’d be ashamed to be associated with the team. 

My prediction: Philly destroys its credibility in the league and doesn’t make the NBA playoffs for 10 years, and alienates an entire fan base in the process. It was a good idea in theory…but they’re burning too many bridges in the meantime. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

 Tanking has positive and negative effects. I believe if you are tanking by depleting your roster if.  productive assets that will not bring your organization to accomplish its goals it is okay. When the Jazz let go of Millsap and Jefferson it was with the belief that they would not be able to compete longterm in the West. When the 76ers got rid of Holiday, Hawes, Turner, Young it was because they did not believe that they should commit to that core longterm. 

The Pistons are thought as the next team to commit to a tank yet they may fond themselves in a similar situation as the Raptors addition by subtraction. Getting rid of Smith and likely Jennings next could be like Toronto getting rid of Bargnani and Gay. Although Detroit is more likely to end up a top 5 draft pick. Those teams tanked to correct former mistakes but you can’t really call that committing to losing if those players were the cause of the losses in the first place.

Tanking is an abused phrase. Some would say Brooklyn is attempting to tank but I believe trading Williams and Lopez will help the team and fix the culture by forming a new identity. They may even win more games if say Collision replaced Williams and Plumlee replaced Lopez who knows how the team would react.

Although when tanking you want to make sure all of the management and coaching staff has a clear vision of the team they want to create and culture they want the personnel to reflect before rebuilding.

 

 

 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 If I could give plus 5, I would. Completely agree, 100%. 

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 If I could give plus 5, I would. Completely agree, 100%. 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 

 Tanking has positive and negative effects. I believe if you are tanking by depleting your roster if.  productive assets that will not bring your organization to accomplish its goals it is okay. When the Jazz let go of Millsap and Jefferson it was with the belief that they would not be able to compete longterm in the West. When the 76ers got rid of Holiday, Hawes, Turner, Young it was because they did not believe that they should commit to that core longterm. 

The Pistons are thought as the next team to commit to a tank yet they may fond themselves in a similar situation as the Raptors addition by subtraction. Getting rid of Smith and likely Jennings next could be like Toronto getting rid of Bargnani and Gay. Although Detroit is more likely to end up a top 5 draft pick. Those teams tanked to correct former mistakes but you can’t really call that committing to losing if those players were the cause of the losses in the first place.

Tanking is an abused phrase. Some would say Brooklyn is attempting to tank but I believe trading Williams and Lopez will help the team and fix the culture by forming a new identity. They may even win more games if say Collision replaced Williams and Plumlee replaced Lopez who knows how the team would react.

Although when tanking you want to make sure all of the management and coaching staff has a clear vision of the team they want to create and culture they want the personnel to reflect before rebuilding.

 

 

 

[r377Participant]

When was the last time a team tanked then won a championship? 

[r377Participant]

When was the last time a team tanked then won a championship? 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Its not about that its about acquiring and developing elite talent and replacing positions providing opportunities to those talents.

When was the last time a team won a championship without a top 5 pick on the roster. Or without elite talent.

Tanking is just a means of acquiring the talent.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Its not about that its about acquiring and developing elite talent and replacing positions providing opportunities to those talents.

When was the last time a team won a championship without a top 5 pick on the roster. Or without elite talent.

Tanking is just a means of acquiring the talent.

 

 

[Ghost01Participant]

 I have 0 problem with what the Sixers have done.

They have not, in anyway tried to lose games, or asked their players to do so. Putting a really bad team on the floor instead of a below average team, so for a 3-4 span you are guaranteed a 1-5 pick instead of a 8-12 pick is crucial. Ask the Kings. They hit on Cousins, but have had to pick in the 7-11 range basically every year. McLemore may end up being a winner too, but overall, their process has taken forever because doing guess work with guys who will mostly all be mediocre at best anyway is no quick route to a title. 

Of course it sucks to be a Sixers fan. But watching MCW, Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes try to win 30-35 games isn’t any fun either. 

[Ghost01Participant]

 I have 0 problem with what the Sixers have done.

They have not, in anyway tried to lose games, or asked their players to do so. Putting a really bad team on the floor instead of a below average team, so for a 3-4 span you are guaranteed a 1-5 pick instead of a 8-12 pick is crucial. Ask the Kings. They hit on Cousins, but have had to pick in the 7-11 range basically every year. McLemore may end up being a winner too, but overall, their process has taken forever because doing guess work with guys who will mostly all be mediocre at best anyway is no quick route to a title. 

Of course it sucks to be a Sixers fan. But watching MCW, Evan Turner, Thad Young, and Spencer Hawes try to win 30-35 games isn’t any fun either. 

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