[valentine]

This might seem far-sighted, but I believe E. Mudiays decision to go to China prior to his NBA career is one that will be replicated by numerous top prospects moving forward. I am basing this on the prediction that salaries will continue to rise at an exponential rate and therefore making the NCAA a less attractive option to top young players. Consider the following:

• In 1997, the league’s first American imports (unknown’s John Spencer, James Hodges) earned $12,000 per month. In 1998, it went to $30,000.
• In 2011 during the NBA Lockout, quality NBA players like Aaron Brooks, JR Smith and Wilson Chandler reportedly earned between 1-3m per season tax free in China.
• In 2014 Emmanuel Mudiay is reportedly earning 1.2m as an unproven pro, instead of attending SMU.
• In 2014, Metta World Peace is the leagues highest earning import, on 1.43m

My point is that in 5-10 years, it seems a strong possibility that American-born players in China will have salaries matching (if not surpassing) that on the NBA rookie Scale.

Whilst it might seem an odd comparison, having watched the commercial aspects of Cricket in India explode in the last decade (The top Cricket players in India earn up to 25 million per year), I feel basketball in China is facing a similar outcome. The pure size and scope of the marketing opportunities (television, merchandise) in a country with 1.3billion people are impossible to ignore.

Could a 2020 version of Andrew Wiggins be facing a decision of 2 years of unpaid play at Kansas (if the age limit is increased as expected), in comparison to a 2 year, 10m contract for Shanghai Dragons? 

Would this spell the end of top prospects heading to the NCAA for 2 years. Everyone has a price right?

 

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

I wouldn’t mind that idea because I hate the NCAA.
I wrote a bit more of my opinion but I don’t want to post it in fear of being bashed on.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

I wouldn’t mind that idea because I hate the NCAA.
I wrote a bit more of my opinion but I don’t want to post it in fear of being bashed on.

[Rip255]

I respect your dislike for the NCAA, but it would mean we’d unlikely see top young talent on a regular basis.

How many of us are tuning into Chinese Basketball to watch Mudiay next season?

Wouldn’t this be a problem for you?

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

That is a fair point. I did go out of my way to ask the net to post Mudiay’s progress when the news came out about him going overseas, as I was the one that first posted about it.

Not every player will go overseas, as the commenter below said. It would be a few players going, as I doubt most players would want to leave home and go to a completely different country with a completely different culture, language, etc. This topic is all speculation, and it’s full of uncertainty. I am welcome to the change, and it would be very entertaining to see players that follow in Mudiay’s footsteps and see how they fare overseas and in the league should they make it.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

That is a fair point. I did go out of my way to ask the net to post Mudiay’s progress when the news came out about him going overseas, as I was the one that first posted about it.

Not every player will go overseas, as the commenter below said. It would be a few players going, as I doubt most players would want to leave home and go to a completely different country with a completely different culture, language, etc. This topic is all speculation, and it’s full of uncertainty. I am welcome to the change, and it would be very entertaining to see players that follow in Mudiay’s footsteps and see how they fare overseas and in the league should they make it.

[Rip255]

I respect your dislike for the NCAA, but it would mean we’d unlikely see top young talent on a regular basis.

How many of us are tuning into Chinese Basketball to watch Mudiay next season?

Wouldn’t this be a problem for you?

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 i wouldnt be surprised by that. The question really becomes, do you go to china make a million and get injured, thus ruining future endeavors, or go to school where you can get injured but also get an education. Call me crazy but id choose the education. Unless your Lebron and have that hype in highschool and get paid $100 mill from  Nike before you sign your NBA contract , then understandable. With that being said I understand Mudiays situation and that he needs the income now therefore NBA should destroy this stupid age limit, and instead of forcing kids to go to school give them the choice. This i believe is a big win-lose situation for Mudiay.

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

do you go to china make a million and get injured, thus ruining future endeavors, or go to school where you can get injured but also get an education. Call me crazy but id choose the education.
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a million dollars would be able to pay for a pretty awesome education

[ItsVictorOladipoParticipant]

do you go to china make a million and get injured, thus ruining future endeavors, or go to school where you can get injured but also get an education. Call me crazy but id choose the education.
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a million dollars would be able to pay for a pretty awesome education

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Problem with ‘education’ is that staying one or two years is not enough to finalize your education. Now there are pro’s who get their degree somewhere along the line, but I bet there are even more examples of guys jumping to the pro’s before graduating, never making in pro basketball (not enough to live the rest of your life at least) and also not getting their degree. 

I actually believe that when salaries rise in other leagues (like the Chinese one), clubs in those leagues will demand players to stay longer than they are doing right now in exchange for the higher salary. If you look at Dragan Bender, the 17-year old who signed for 7 years (with an opt-out after 4 years?) with Maccabi Tel Aviv, he will become eligible 2 years before his contract runs out, so teams drafting him definitely have to wait for him.

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Problem with ‘education’ is that staying one or two years is not enough to finalize your education. Now there are pro’s who get their degree somewhere along the line, but I bet there are even more examples of guys jumping to the pro’s before graduating, never making in pro basketball (not enough to live the rest of your life at least) and also not getting their degree. 

I actually believe that when salaries rise in other leagues (like the Chinese one), clubs in those leagues will demand players to stay longer than they are doing right now in exchange for the higher salary. If you look at Dragan Bender, the 17-year old who signed for 7 years (with an opt-out after 4 years?) with Maccabi Tel Aviv, he will become eligible 2 years before his contract runs out, so teams drafting him definitely have to wait for him.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 i wouldnt be surprised by that. The question really becomes, do you go to china make a million and get injured, thus ruining future endeavors, or go to school where you can get injured but also get an education. Call me crazy but id choose the education. Unless your Lebron and have that hype in highschool and get paid $100 mill from  Nike before you sign your NBA contract , then understandable. With that being said I understand Mudiays situation and that he needs the income now therefore NBA should destroy this stupid age limit, and instead of forcing kids to go to school give them the choice. This i believe is a big win-lose situation for Mudiay.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

great thread, very debateable. 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

great thread, very debateable. 

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 dont be afraid to get neggged, voice your sincere opinion. People will still see what you have to say whether it be positive or negative.

[BiggaveliiiParticipant]

 dont be afraid to get neggged, voice your sincere opinion. People will still see what you have to say whether it be positive or negative.

[Lebronda JamesParticipant]

 I agree so much better thsn then 5k a year they cant touch until eligabilty is up. Stick those N U T S in ncaa face make upwards to 2 million for two years. 

[Lebronda JamesParticipant]

 I agree so much better thsn then 5k a year they cant touch until eligabilty is up. Stick those N U T S in ncaa face make upwards to 2 million for two years. 

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

I wouldn’t mind players going overseas and playing on foreign teams and increasing profits for not only the team they’re playing for, but also themselves. China has a huge market, with potential for huge paydays. Kobe is an idol there, as is Lin, and they will make a lot of money this season. If the players go there and play, they get fans there and get money quick. Their marketability rises, and they will almost never run out of money unless they go Iverson.

Mostly, I wouldn’t mind because I hate the NCAA. Players should be able to go to the pros at 18 like they did back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Mostly all of them have been insanely successful, and they got as much money as possible. Also, it would help them out as it did DeMar DeRozan, who left after one year because he needed the money to provide for his sick mother and family in general.

The Noel injury comes to mind when I think about the one-and-done rule. He went to the NCAA because he wanted to be a pro, and he suffered a serious injury that many players don’t always come back from. If he were a pro during the 2012-2013 season, he probably WOULD have been injured as he was (and still is, to an extent) thin as a rail, but he’d have a professional medical staff available at all times and a weight room where he can be at for as long as he wants, unlike in college. The thing that I hate seeing is when college players get injured, as the get no income from playing and this may be their only chance at making money as, let’s face it, not all of them are student-first.

With the UNC classes thing and the Notre Dame thing in football being public, it’s obvious most of the players are there to play, not learn. I know an education is vital, I myself am trying to get into a good college for my future, but if I were 6 foot+ with a pro-ball body and skillset, I’d want to make as much money as possible in as little amount of time as possible for my family and I. An education is important because it gives you a chance for financial gain, and becoming a professional sports player almost guarantees you make a decent amount of money. Money makes the world go ’round, and I’d want to get money now instead of having to wait a year and possibly risking an injury that may take my hypothetical athleticism and skill set away.

[Hector_Reyes_8Participant]

I wouldn’t mind players going overseas and playing on foreign teams and increasing profits for not only the team they’re playing for, but also themselves. China has a huge market, with potential for huge paydays. Kobe is an idol there, as is Lin, and they will make a lot of money this season. If the players go there and play, they get fans there and get money quick. Their marketability rises, and they will almost never run out of money unless they go Iverson.

Mostly, I wouldn’t mind because I hate the NCAA. Players should be able to go to the pros at 18 like they did back in the late 90s and early 2000s. Mostly all of them have been insanely successful, and they got as much money as possible. Also, it would help them out as it did DeMar DeRozan, who left after one year because he needed the money to provide for his sick mother and family in general.

The Noel injury comes to mind when I think about the one-and-done rule. He went to the NCAA because he wanted to be a pro, and he suffered a serious injury that many players don’t always come back from. If he were a pro during the 2012-2013 season, he probably WOULD have been injured as he was (and still is, to an extent) thin as a rail, but he’d have a professional medical staff available at all times and a weight room where he can be at for as long as he wants, unlike in college. The thing that I hate seeing is when college players get injured, as the get no income from playing and this may be their only chance at making money as, let’s face it, not all of them are student-first.

With the UNC classes thing and the Notre Dame thing in football being public, it’s obvious most of the players are there to play, not learn. I know an education is vital, I myself am trying to get into a good college for my future, but if I were 6 foot+ with a pro-ball body and skillset, I’d want to make as much money as possible in as little amount of time as possible for my family and I. An education is important because it gives you a chance for financial gain, and becoming a professional sports player almost guarantees you make a decent amount of money. Money makes the world go ’round, and I’d want to get money now instead of having to wait a year and possibly risking an injury that may take my hypothetical athleticism and skill set away.

[thatdude44Participant]

I think if these young players start making they’re way overseas more it’ll make for better high school and aau basketball. Forcing the kids to work on there game, learn the game and be more aware of how to manage money at a young age. I think if this happens, the NCAA would be scared as hell, they would have to change the rule back and let kids come out high school and go to the NBA 

[blbh365Participant]

The NCAA has absolutely nothing to do with the 19 year old age restriction,it’s a NBA rule that’s collectively bargained between the owners and the Players association.The NCAA cant change it.

[blbh365Participant]

The NCAA has absolutely nothing to do with the 19 year old age restriction,it’s a NBA rule that’s collectively bargained between the owners and the Players association.The NCAA cant change it.

[thatdude44Participant]

I think if these young players start making they’re way overseas more it’ll make for better high school and aau basketball. Forcing the kids to work on there game, learn the game and be more aware of how to manage money at a young age. I think if this happens, the NCAA would be scared as hell, they would have to change the rule back and let kids come out high school and go to the NBA 

[benny15Participant]

 i honestly dont think itll be much of an issue till someone, mudiaye maybe, comes in and gets to be a top prospect in a draft over someone in the NCAA. the only player who played over-seas to become a top pick was Bargnani. not really the poster boy foreign prospects would want. i believe the NCAA will remain the top option for the best HS ball players since they are pegged as the best place to showcase your talent and boost your draft stock. 

even in this past draft we just had, dante exum had tremendous physical attributes to go with his mystique of being a foreign prospect. he had buzz of going as high as 3, but was still not considered for the top pick due to the competition he played against or that his production against good competition was too small of a sample size. now im not saying he should have gone higher, im simply stating that playing in a foreign league does not benefit a prospects draft stock as the NCAA does. 

however, i believe that if the D-League starts to try and compete with China’s league as far as salary, then it could be a complete game changer. the D-League would get more interest from fans and scouts and the players would get more exposure playing in the states more than they would going oversees. not to mention the training staff that they would work under and the rules and systems ran would be closer to that of the NBA game. that would give the NCAA some real competition on acquiring the top recruits out of high school. 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Exum didn’t play at senior level however.

I believe young players who are able to make significant minutes in Euroleague will get considered for high picks, and that clubs will do so more and more in the upcoming years. Guys like Saric (13ppg and 9 rpg as 19-year old in Euroleague) and Mirotic (12.5ppg and 4.5rpg as 21-year old in Euroleague) play(ed) against top-rate players in the second best league in the world, facing thougher competition compared to the NCAA. This makes them develop faster, playing in high-pressure situations against grown men.

[benny15Participant]

 thats right. but even then, Dario Saric was not considered for the top prospect of the draft. im not saying going overseas will not develop your game further, im saying that it hasnt boosted a players draft stock as much as the NCAA has. at the end of the day, these HS ball players are using the NCAA as a steping stone to the NBA. the could go to foreign leagues instead of opting to play college ball, but we have yet to see a prospect do go that route and see his draft stock soar. 

closest that comes to mind is Brandon Jennings, but when he went to Italy i think, he didnt get that many minutes and it affected his stock. he became more of a high risk high reward lotto pick. now can mudiaye come in and change this, possibly. but i think the place he chose to play will give pause to his production. if he does well, it will be because he would have played against inferior competition, if he doesnt then it would be an even bigger red flag given the competition he’s up against. if he had gone to europe, he could have ended up in the same situation jennings did and not get that much minutes on the court which would have hurt his stock. 

right now, i believe there is very litte reason for the NCAA to worry because they are still the top destination of top HS ball players. and this is because they give the best chance to boost a players stock even though they dont flat out pay the players. 

 

 

[benny15Participant]

 thats right. but even then, Dario Saric was not considered for the top prospect of the draft. im not saying going overseas will not develop your game further, im saying that it hasnt boosted a players draft stock as much as the NCAA has. at the end of the day, these HS ball players are using the NCAA as a steping stone to the NBA. the could go to foreign leagues instead of opting to play college ball, but we have yet to see a prospect do go that route and see his draft stock soar. 

closest that comes to mind is Brandon Jennings, but when he went to Italy i think, he didnt get that many minutes and it affected his stock. he became more of a high risk high reward lotto pick. now can mudiaye come in and change this, possibly. but i think the place he chose to play will give pause to his production. if he does well, it will be because he would have played against inferior competition, if he doesnt then it would be an even bigger red flag given the competition he’s up against. if he had gone to europe, he could have ended up in the same situation jennings did and not get that much minutes on the court which would have hurt his stock. 

right now, i believe there is very litte reason for the NCAA to worry because they are still the top destination of top HS ball players. and this is because they give the best chance to boost a players stock even though they dont flat out pay the players. 

 

 

[Mr. HookShotParticipant]

Exum didn’t play at senior level however.

I believe young players who are able to make significant minutes in Euroleague will get considered for high picks, and that clubs will do so more and more in the upcoming years. Guys like Saric (13ppg and 9 rpg as 19-year old in Euroleague) and Mirotic (12.5ppg and 4.5rpg as 21-year old in Euroleague) play(ed) against top-rate players in the second best league in the world, facing thougher competition compared to the NCAA. This makes them develop faster, playing in high-pressure situations against grown men.

[benny15Participant]

 i honestly dont think itll be much of an issue till someone, mudiaye maybe, comes in and gets to be a top prospect in a draft over someone in the NCAA. the only player who played over-seas to become a top pick was Bargnani. not really the poster boy foreign prospects would want. i believe the NCAA will remain the top option for the best HS ball players since they are pegged as the best place to showcase your talent and boost your draft stock. 

even in this past draft we just had, dante exum had tremendous physical attributes to go with his mystique of being a foreign prospect. he had buzz of going as high as 3, but was still not considered for the top pick due to the competition he played against or that his production against good competition was too small of a sample size. now im not saying he should have gone higher, im simply stating that playing in a foreign league does not benefit a prospects draft stock as the NCAA does. 

however, i believe that if the D-League starts to try and compete with China’s league as far as salary, then it could be a complete game changer. the D-League would get more interest from fans and scouts and the players would get more exposure playing in the states more than they would going oversees. not to mention the training staff that they would work under and the rules and systems ran would be closer to that of the NBA game. that would give the NCAA some real competition on acquiring the top recruits out of high school. 

 

[mixtape2003Participant]

So do yall think that shoe deals start coming in sooner like right out of highschool if a player goes to china instead of the NBA? For example a player the caliber of Wiggins, Parker, Lebron  etc or Mudiay if he is getting any offers for shoe deal?

[mixtape2003Participant]

So do yall think that shoe deals start coming in sooner like right out of highschool if a player goes to china instead of the NBA? For example a player the caliber of Wiggins, Parker, Lebron  etc or Mudiay if he is getting any offers for shoe deal?

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

As an added bonus these guys can go over there and learn Chinese, then they MIGHT have a chance at getting a job once their pro careers are over.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

As an added bonus these guys can go over there and learn Chinese, then they MIGHT have a chance at getting a job once their pro careers are over.

[-Aria-Participant]

I think if kids from America did in fact decide to go to China to play it’d really help the competition level in china as well, no longer would the league rely on washed up stars but instead exciting young prospects.

D: I see it having a similar effect that vince carter had on Canadian basketball. Who knows in 30 years we could be talking about some newly found 13 yearold Chinese boy who has the handles of Maravitch the athleticism of a LeBron, and the shooting of reggie miller 

[-Aria-Participant]

I think if kids from America did in fact decide to go to China to play it’d really help the competition level in china as well, no longer would the league rely on washed up stars but instead exciting young prospects.

D: I see it having a similar effect that vince carter had on Canadian basketball. Who knows in 30 years we could be talking about some newly found 13 yearold Chinese boy who has the handles of Maravitch the athleticism of a LeBron, and the shooting of reggie miller 

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