[sheltwon3Participant]

Define Lebron’s Legacy.

How could Lebron’s legacy be worst on Miami after 4 or more rings versus none on Cleveland?

The Media says this but they don’t even define what they are saying.

No one will ever be better than Jordan, as long as Jordan is living, anybody that comes close like Kobe is now will has some fault that makes them not like Jordan. I think with 4 rings and Hall of a Fame numbers Lebron will be top 5 of all time.

I don’t see that if he wins no rings and stays in Cleveland.

Lebron will be a more all around player like his skills dictate in Miami. His scoring may go down but everything else should stay the same or go up cept he should be more efficient.

[Tongue-Out-Like-23Participant]

So you’re telling me.. If LA would have won the championship in ’04, It was have destroyed Malone’s and Payton’s legacy?

[llperez]

we dont know lebrons legacy and certainly 4 rings is better then no rings regardless of how much help a player has. However, lebron put a certain cap on what his legacy can potentially be by going to miami. Stay in cleavland, stick it through and turn a down trodden franchise into champions and his name can be thrwon up there with jordan. Go to miami and join other superstars and he will forever have that held over him no matter how many he wins. Fair or not.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Perez that is based on some out of this world opinion Lebron has been given. He was never going to live up to that.

You guys are talking about a legacy that was never going to happen.

Media is what if Lebron won a ring with Cavs.

It never happened so we don’t know.

I dont believe he was going to win in Cleveland. Other teams were getting better players to come to them and Cavs were not. Cavs did good in the regular season but they were not built for the playoffs where team have game plans designed to stop a certain player or certain things a team does.

Kobe can win 7 or 8 rings and still not be better than Jordan. He also scored 100 points in a game but he will never be Jordan.

He may be in the conversation but so what, Lebron’s numbers and versatility could put him in some good convo as well.

I am not a Lebron fan but just like when Kobe was getting hated on hard, I tend to appreciate a player more when the media turns on them for reasons that are not fair to that player.

Asking Jordan questions to hate on Lebron. What Jordan said was what he would have done but he added that this is a different time so he did not really get a straight up dis to Lebron but he said he would not join guys that he would wanted to compete against.

Jordan as great as he was could not have won with the Cavs. People act like Lebron didnt do everything in his power to get them to win while he was there.

Jordan had help , Lebron always had to carry the team in like 3 or more major stats for them to win.

Jordan did not have teammates scared to shoot or do their part.

[llperez]

sheltwon, im not dissagreeing with any of that. Im just answering your question about how he impacted his potential legacy. He could have been on jordans level and now he makes that damn hard to do. Its really simple as that.

[LawDeeZeeParticipant]

The same way minus these last two championships, kobe would have always had to hear that he couldn’t do it without shaq. If kobe didn’t win those two … his critics would still be saying that. It doesn’t mean that if Lebron has success and puts up good numbers that he won’t be remembered as a great player … but he’s out of the class of jordan and even kobe and guys who led teams to championships … scottie pippen was a great player, but we don’t compare him to MJ or debate who was the best player on that team

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

Theres a difference between Gary Payton and Karl Malone both being in their late 30’s and in their last ditch effort. I doubt either of those guys were gettin max offers, and teams werent cutting money for 2 years prior to their Free agency to try and sign them. Neither of those 2 held an hour long TV show to announce where they were going to sign either. Neither of those 2 carried the image that everything was about them. Dont be foolish and compare Karl Malone and Gary Payton in their final years in teh NBA to Lebron who is in his prime. Thats weak.

[Scottoant93Participant]

It will affect his legacy as a Media Standpoint(him giving up, leaving home town join Wade, Bosh etc.) as a player standpoint he Will get some rings in Miami if not that is That team will be the biggest Bust in Sports History(Not the players the Team). Also we will never see what James is fully capable of doing since he just entered the Prime of his career which kind of disappoints me since he can he is a monster on the court already. In the end he will be remembered for his rings and the infamous”decision”.

[jaycee24Participant]

You’re right….Lebron right now has no legacy. He has personal accomplishments but so do tmac and ai and steve nash but what really does that mean until he wins a championship. I think instead of his move to the heat diminishing his legacy…I think it only limits what his personal legacy could possibly be. I somewhat disagree about what you said about bein better than jordan. Lebron may have what it takes to be better than jordan but it would be almost impossible to judge because both are so great but they’re also very different. Of course kobe seems so inferior to mj because they do some many of the same things and kobe unfortunately isn’t quite at the level of the best player ever. Its never going to be clear if there ever is someone greater than MJ and with lebron goin to miami it’ll probably be awhile before we see someone close. Lebron could have made his case in Cleveland by winning 3 or 4 rings because he would of done what jordan couldnt…win it all without other great players around him. I think some people would think that gives him an edge over mj because he took a team almost single handedly to the top and that he stayed home when he had the option to go. After all the bad tastes he’s left in many people mouths the last few weeks no one will say he’s the best no matter what happens in miami…good or bad. I’m not sure its fair or not but I am sure that’s the way it is.

[Russell0WestbrookParticipant]

His legacy will be if he wins in Miami its what they were suppose to do the team is stacked this move didnt do anything but make Wade have a better legacy because we all knew Bosh couldnt be the man on a championship team. No matter how many they win Wade will have more and this is HIS TEAM so F*CK Lebron and his legacy

[sheltwon3Participant]

perez i was not saying you was and I apologize if it came out like that I just don’t understand this hold hurting his legacy thing. It is so unrealistic.

[lolyouthParticipant]

Lebron is still a great player and will have a good legacy period when his playing days are over. But will he have a great legacy? Will he have a Jordanesque legacy? If he would have won in Cleveland with spare parts (much like Jordan did in Chicago) he would have been Jordanesque. Sure Jordan had Pippen but that was it, no one else wanted the guys that played with them. They later acquired Rodman, but still they were only a great team because Jordan made them great.

They had nothing without Jordan, much like Cleveland has nothing without Lebron. What’s the key difference here? Jordan won as “the Man”, Lebron didn’t. Lebron will most likely grab a few championships with Wade and Bosh, but it will be viewed as a copout for winning a title, as compared to how great it would have been to win with spare parts in Cleveland. He would have re-entered Jordanesque talks.

So sorry, but even winning titles in Miami his legacy will be diminshed. This is the truth, so I don’t care how many people minus me.

[sheltwon3Participant]

there people going saying that he could have had a better legacy than Jordan if Cavs won 3 to 4 rings. That was not going to happen.

At what part of other teams so terrible that Lebron by himself was going to win one. He came close in a down year where most of the top team were getting old and you had a lot of bad team and now those teams that were bad are good and younger with more depth than the Cavs.

Lebron decided to win rings in Miami with his friends versus 0 ring in Cleveland.

We can what if he won all day long but I don’t believe it was going to happen and it is funny two of the guys who are saying he should have stayed have no rings. Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley.

When everyone was on Lebron’s nuts I was always saying he is not like Jordan and and he is not better than Kobe right now but the media and people insisted and now they feel bad because the truth is out.

Also how is Lebron’s game going to suffer. That is like saying Jordan’s game suffered because he had Pippen, Horace Grant, Rodman, Kukuc, and all the other guys they had.

That is like saying Kobe’s game will suffer since he has Odom, Gasol, Bynum. Artest.

Stats may go down but your game is not your stats you can actually play better, smarter and more complete and have less stats.

You can’t base a guy’s growth soley on stats.

Lebron should be able to show how versatile he is now that he does not have to score.

I really don’t think Lebron is that big on scoring and would rather set up plays and pass the ball and make that spectacular block, steal, or dunk.

It is funny how when young player act like Jordan, people have nothing but bad stuff to say about them because Jordan as good as he was was selfish and did not always want to play team ball.

They knock Iverson who is doing just like Jordan would have done. You think Jordan at Iverson’s age would want to come off the bench and play behind player he know he is better than while the team loses.

[jjmass22Participant]

In my opinion, 1 title in Cleveland would of done more for lebrons legacy than 3 in Miami. Everybody knocks lebrons team, but the cavs had top regular season records past couple years. Jordan didn’t come to a stacked bulls team, they grew together, only free-agent slash was bringing in rodman. I think after the bulls lost to the pistons 2 str8 years and Jordan went to l.a to team up with magic
Jordan wouldn’t have the same imagine today

[sheltwon3Participant]

Jordan still had a better team. I think someone needs to pull up Jordan’s team mates and Lebron teammates to see who had better teammates.

[TONYDABOSS77Participant]

LeBron Never Had A Stacked Team ..

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