[Lotto StudParticipant]

There is not a long line of One & Done prospects to come through Chapel Hill, but the 2 that were fortunate enough have not made the most of their NBA careers, after having outstanding seasons as Fr. prospects. Both Marvin Williams & Brandan Wright who were very highly touted coming out of HS have not done anything in the league to make us remember why they were Lotto picks & went so high.

UNC Fr. Stats

• Williams- 11.3 PPG 6.6 REB
• Wright- 14.7 PPG 6.2 REB

NBA Career Stats

• Williams- 11.7 PPG 5.3 REB
• Wright-  5.4 PPG 3.0 REB

Unlike Wright, Williams has a decent career average, but his overall play has not amounted to anything spectacular as it was at UNC. I don’t know what it is with UNC One & Done prospects but history has it that they do not translate well to the NBA. Harrison Barnes was expected to be the next Fr. prospect to make the leap, but with all the lockout rumors swirling he decided to use his brain to stay another year. This year James McAdoo is getting a lot of One & Done hype although he is on a stacked UNC roster, which would be hard for him to showcase his worth. If by any chance he does fairly well, it does not mean he will translate to the NBA with just a flash of a season not being a #1-2 option.

 

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 UNC is definitely a 2-3 year school, at least developing players to their NBA potential wise. There’s a long list but I’ll name a good number of them we’ve seen within most of our life time. Vince Carter, Jerry Stackhouse, Antwan Jamison, Ty Lawson, Rasheed Wallace. I mean the list goes on and on if you want to keep naming them off. 

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 UNC is definitely a 2-3 year school, at least developing players to their NBA potential wise. There’s a long list but I’ll name a good number of them we’ve seen within most of our life time. Vince Carter, Jerry Stackhouse, Antwan Jamison, Ty Lawson, Rasheed Wallace. I mean the list goes on and on if you want to keep naming them off. 

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 UNC is definitely a 2-3 year school, at least developing players to their NBA potential wise. There’s a long list but I’ll name a good number of them we’ve seen within most of our life time. Vince Carter, Jerry Stackhouse, Antwan Jamison, Ty Lawson, Rasheed Wallace. I mean the list goes on and on if you want to keep naming them off. 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

its not that UNC is bad…its just that people always over-rate their players…in fact the ACC in general is over-rated…look at all of the medicore (at best) Duke players in the NBA…and Maryland – Juan Dixon and Chris Wilcox anyone? 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

its not that UNC is bad…its just that people always over-rate their players…in fact the ACC in general is over-rated…look at all of the medicore (at best) Duke players in the NBA…and Maryland – Juan Dixon and Chris Wilcox anyone? 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

its not that UNC is bad…its just that people always over-rate their players…in fact the ACC in general is over-rated…look at all of the medicore (at best) Duke players in the NBA…and Maryland – Juan Dixon and Chris Wilcox anyone? 

[Johnny Chill]

The ACC is over rated, but not because of the players. The ACC is over rated by the "Experts."

Guys like Dixon and Wilcox are over achievers! They made the most of their opportunity and took it.

All the mediocre (at best) Duke players in the NBA! Yep there are a lot! 15 going into next season.

What does that say? Duke produces NBA players, great role models, excellent citizens.

Let me see you name 5 schools that have more NBA players than Duke?

[Johnny Chill]

The ACC is over rated, but not because of the players. The ACC is over rated by the "Experts."

Guys like Dixon and Wilcox are over achievers! They made the most of their opportunity and took it.

All the mediocre (at best) Duke players in the NBA! Yep there are a lot! 15 going into next season.

What does that say? Duke produces NBA players, great role models, excellent citizens.

Let me see you name 5 schools that have more NBA players than Duke?

[Johnny Chill]

The ACC is over rated, but not because of the players. The ACC is over rated by the "Experts."

Guys like Dixon and Wilcox are over achievers! They made the most of their opportunity and took it.

All the mediocre (at best) Duke players in the NBA! Yep there are a lot! 15 going into next season.

What does that say? Duke produces NBA players, great role models, excellent citizens.

Let me see you name 5 schools that have more NBA players than Duke?

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 im not hating on Duke or the ACC…i love Maryland…its just seems to me like a lot of their pros are so hyped up in college (JJ Redick, Chris Wilcox, Marvin Williams) and then just end up being ROLE PLAYERS. Thats what most of those 15 players are…role players…give me Kentuckys guys, Connecticuts guys, or UCLA’s anyday.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 im not hating on Duke or the ACC…i love Maryland…its just seems to me like a lot of their pros are so hyped up in college (JJ Redick, Chris Wilcox, Marvin Williams) and then just end up being ROLE PLAYERS. Thats what most of those 15 players are…role players…give me Kentuckys guys, Connecticuts guys, or UCLA’s anyday.

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 im not hating on Duke or the ACC…i love Maryland…its just seems to me like a lot of their pros are so hyped up in college (JJ Redick, Chris Wilcox, Marvin Williams) and then just end up being ROLE PLAYERS. Thats what most of those 15 players are…role players…give me Kentuckys guys, Connecticuts guys, or UCLA’s anyday.

[Johnny Chill]

So what? they make millions.

Your just hating. Plus the original post was about UNC 1 and done players. You some how brought up Maryland and Duke.

Dixon was a 4 year senior and NCAA Champion. Wilcox was a sophomore, his potential was at it’s highest when he left.

JJ was a 4 year starter at Duke and the POY in college. That’s not hype son, thats production.

The ACC is still one of the class acts in college basketball, just by the number of ACC games shown on ESPN proves that.

In the last 10 years Duke, UNC, and Maryland combined has won more championships than Kentucky, UConn, and UCLA combined.

 

[Johnny Chill]

So what? they make millions.

Your just hating. Plus the original post was about UNC 1 and done players. You some how brought up Maryland and Duke.

Dixon was a 4 year senior and NCAA Champion. Wilcox was a sophomore, his potential was at it’s highest when he left.

JJ was a 4 year starter at Duke and the POY in college. That’s not hype son, thats production.

The ACC is still one of the class acts in college basketball, just by the number of ACC games shown on ESPN proves that.

In the last 10 years Duke, UNC, and Maryland combined has won more championships than Kentucky, UConn, and UCLA combined.

 

[Johnny Chill]

So what? they make millions.

Your just hating. Plus the original post was about UNC 1 and done players. You some how brought up Maryland and Duke.

Dixon was a 4 year senior and NCAA Champion. Wilcox was a sophomore, his potential was at it’s highest when he left.

JJ was a 4 year starter at Duke and the POY in college. That’s not hype son, thats production.

The ACC is still one of the class acts in college basketball, just by the number of ACC games shown on ESPN proves that.

In the last 10 years Duke, UNC, and Maryland combined has won more championships than Kentucky, UConn, and UCLA combined.

 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

im not hating im saying my opinion…the ACC from top to bottom is very over-rated…that explains the national coverage and Dickie V riding Dukes nutz. All the ACC has is Duke and UNC. 

Juan Dixon was a bust in the NBA and so was Wilcox. The rest of those other guys had great college careers and are now role players…Would you honestly rather have Dukes pros than Kentuckys? 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

im not hating im saying my opinion…the ACC from top to bottom is very over-rated…that explains the national coverage and Dickie V riding Dukes nutz. All the ACC has is Duke and UNC. 

Juan Dixon was a bust in the NBA and so was Wilcox. The rest of those other guys had great college careers and are now role players…Would you honestly rather have Dukes pros than Kentuckys? 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

im not hating im saying my opinion…the ACC from top to bottom is very over-rated…that explains the national coverage and Dickie V riding Dukes nutz. All the ACC has is Duke and UNC. 

Juan Dixon was a bust in the NBA and so was Wilcox. The rest of those other guys had great college careers and are now role players…Would you honestly rather have Dukes pros than Kentuckys? 

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 and if you wanna get technical ill prove it to you…First off UCLA has more players in the NBA than Duke and Kentucky is tied…ALSO Duke only has 2 NBA players with at least one ring…UCLA has 23, Kentucky has 17…so when it comes to putting out pros im pretty sure those teams poop on Dukies

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 and if you wanna get technical ill prove it to you…First off UCLA has more players in the NBA than Duke and Kentucky is tied…ALSO Duke only has 2 NBA players with at least one ring…UCLA has 23, Kentucky has 17…so when it comes to putting out pros im pretty sure those teams poop on Dukies

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

 and if you wanna get technical ill prove it to you…First off UCLA has more players in the NBA than Duke and Kentucky is tied…ALSO Duke only has 2 NBA players with at least one ring…UCLA has 23, Kentucky has 17…so when it comes to putting out pros im pretty sure those teams poop on Dukies

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 I’m with Bmore_DC. Duke players are good, very good obviously but they tend to fade in the NBA and become at best a 2nd option on a team(rare). Current NBA players that went to Duke vs. UNC, UNC builds better pros. UCLA, UConn, and UK seem to build very good pros as well.

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 I’m with Bmore_DC. Duke players are good, very good obviously but they tend to fade in the NBA and become at best a 2nd option on a team(rare). Current NBA players that went to Duke vs. UNC, UNC builds better pros. UCLA, UConn, and UK seem to build very good pros as well.

[DunksNJordans23Participant]

 I’m with Bmore_DC. Duke players are good, very good obviously but they tend to fade in the NBA and become at best a 2nd option on a team(rare). Current NBA players that went to Duke vs. UNC, UNC builds better pros. UCLA, UConn, and UK seem to build very good pros as well.

[Johnny Chill]

How many NCAA Championships does Kentucky have in the last 10 years? 0

How many NCAA Championships does UCLA have in the last 10 years? 0

Maryland has more than both of them combined.

In the last 12 years ACC has put more players in the NBA than any other conference. Check the draft.

Kentucky does not have more NBA players than Duke. Duke NBA players make more money combined than Kentucky. Check the salaries.

 

 

 

[Johnny Chill]

How many NCAA Championships does Kentucky have in the last 10 years? 0

How many NCAA Championships does UCLA have in the last 10 years? 0

Maryland has more than both of them combined.

In the last 12 years ACC has put more players in the NBA than any other conference. Check the draft.

Kentucky does not have more NBA players than Duke. Duke NBA players make more money combined than Kentucky. Check the salaries.

 

 

 

[Johnny Chill]

How many NCAA Championships does Kentucky have in the last 10 years? 0

How many NCAA Championships does UCLA have in the last 10 years? 0

Maryland has more than both of them combined.

In the last 12 years ACC has put more players in the NBA than any other conference. Check the draft.

Kentucky does not have more NBA players than Duke. Duke NBA players make more money combined than Kentucky. Check the salaries.

 

 

 

[Johnny Chill]

I never said Duke players in the NBA are Super Stars, I said there is nothing wrong with being a role player in the NBA. They all make millions.

Duke players are over achievers, that are blessed to be in the NBA. Kentucky is a pit stop for guys because of the 1 year rule.

BTW.

UNC and Duke has both won championships during sine the inplementation of the 1 year rule.

How many has Kentucky and UCLA won?

 

[Johnny Chill]

I never said Duke players in the NBA are Super Stars, I said there is nothing wrong with being a role player in the NBA. They all make millions.

Duke players are over achievers, that are blessed to be in the NBA. Kentucky is a pit stop for guys because of the 1 year rule.

BTW.

UNC and Duke has both won championships during sine the inplementation of the 1 year rule.

How many has Kentucky and UCLA won?

 

[Johnny Chill]

I never said Duke players in the NBA are Super Stars, I said there is nothing wrong with being a role player in the NBA. They all make millions.

Duke players are over achievers, that are blessed to be in the NBA. Kentucky is a pit stop for guys because of the 1 year rule.

BTW.

UNC and Duke has both won championships during sine the inplementation of the 1 year rule.

How many has Kentucky and UCLA won?

 

[j2khitmanParticipant]

There is a reason why schools like UNC and Duke are always competing for a national championship. It’s not that they are recruiting the best overall talent, but they are recruiting the best talent that works well in their system. Duke and UNC do not shy away from one and done recruits, but they prefer recruits that are going to stay in their program for two to three years. This type of recruiting establishes a foundation for their program and continues to make them a powerhouse in college basketball. I am a huge Duke fan and I do agree that experts at times over rate the Duke prospects because of the school they are going to play for. One thing that I can say about past Duke players is that they are solid professional athletes that can contribute to a championship team. They play with high IQ and come from a winning pedigree. I rather have these types of players then one and done recruits that will fill the stat sheet, but can’t win games.

[j2khitmanParticipant]

There is a reason why schools like UNC and Duke are always competing for a national championship. It’s not that they are recruiting the best overall talent, but they are recruiting the best talent that works well in their system. Duke and UNC do not shy away from one and done recruits, but they prefer recruits that are going to stay in their program for two to three years. This type of recruiting establishes a foundation for their program and continues to make them a powerhouse in college basketball. I am a huge Duke fan and I do agree that experts at times over rate the Duke prospects because of the school they are going to play for. One thing that I can say about past Duke players is that they are solid professional athletes that can contribute to a championship team. They play with high IQ and come from a winning pedigree. I rather have these types of players then one and done recruits that will fill the stat sheet, but can’t win games.

[j2khitmanParticipant]

There is a reason why schools like UNC and Duke are always competing for a national championship. It’s not that they are recruiting the best overall talent, but they are recruiting the best talent that works well in their system. Duke and UNC do not shy away from one and done recruits, but they prefer recruits that are going to stay in their program for two to three years. This type of recruiting establishes a foundation for their program and continues to make them a powerhouse in college basketball. I am a huge Duke fan and I do agree that experts at times over rate the Duke prospects because of the school they are going to play for. One thing that I can say about past Duke players is that they are solid professional athletes that can contribute to a championship team. They play with high IQ and come from a winning pedigree. I rather have these types of players then one and done recruits that will fill the stat sheet, but can’t win games.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I just hope history does not repeat itself with another UNC One & Done prospect not to pan out especially McAdoo.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I just hope history does not repeat itself with another UNC One & Done prospect not to pan out especially McAdoo.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

I just hope history does not repeat itself with another UNC One & Done prospect not to pan out especially McAdoo.

[surveParticipant]

ACC is not overated, they have sucked more as a whole in the past few years than previously but still winning titles.  Dixon was a great college player and the team the year before they won the title was a better team but got robbed going against Duke in the NCAA.  Redick was a great college player, his draft status wasnt warranted though.   You cant say they were overated in college because they didnt turn out to be great pros.

I would rather have Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patterson, than Singler, Scheyer, Smith, and company in the pros…but we are talking about 2 different things.  Duke had great college players and won the title.

Anyway, back on topic.  UNC is not a one-and-done school, they actually try to shy away from signing those who may be just there for a pit stop.  Just like they made the decision to no longer pursue Wall or Evans because they knew they would be one-and-done.  Roy Williams is not the coach to prepare a player for the draft I believe, definitely not if they are only going to be around for a short period.  Dean Smith was the best at developing NBA talent, but he would break a player’s game down and his nuturing took 2-3 years at least.  A freshman playing under Dean Smith wouldnt even be on a scout’s radar…because his system was not designed for a guy to come in and showcase….first thing was, it was about respect and seniority.  I dont care if you were the #1 player in the country in HS, when you got to UNC, you had to carry the upperclassmen’s bags….literally, not a joke.

I dont believe guys like Marvin Williams, Branden Wright, and lets put a Dookie in there, Corey Maggette had seriously planned on forgoing sophomore seasons, but when the scouts are watching and they start talking….what are you going to do?  Everyone had Barnes going pro, and he very well could have and been top 5 pick easy, he will be a much better player by coming back though.

[surveParticipant]

ACC is not overated, they have sucked more as a whole in the past few years than previously but still winning titles.  Dixon was a great college player and the team the year before they won the title was a better team but got robbed going against Duke in the NCAA.  Redick was a great college player, his draft status wasnt warranted though.   You cant say they were overated in college because they didnt turn out to be great pros.

I would rather have Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patterson, than Singler, Scheyer, Smith, and company in the pros…but we are talking about 2 different things.  Duke had great college players and won the title.

Anyway, back on topic.  UNC is not a one-and-done school, they actually try to shy away from signing those who may be just there for a pit stop.  Just like they made the decision to no longer pursue Wall or Evans because they knew they would be one-and-done.  Roy Williams is not the coach to prepare a player for the draft I believe, definitely not if they are only going to be around for a short period.  Dean Smith was the best at developing NBA talent, but he would break a player’s game down and his nuturing took 2-3 years at least.  A freshman playing under Dean Smith wouldnt even be on a scout’s radar…because his system was not designed for a guy to come in and showcase….first thing was, it was about respect and seniority.  I dont care if you were the #1 player in the country in HS, when you got to UNC, you had to carry the upperclassmen’s bags….literally, not a joke.

I dont believe guys like Marvin Williams, Branden Wright, and lets put a Dookie in there, Corey Maggette had seriously planned on forgoing sophomore seasons, but when the scouts are watching and they start talking….what are you going to do?  Everyone had Barnes going pro, and he very well could have and been top 5 pick easy, he will be a much better player by coming back though.

[surveParticipant]

ACC is not overated, they have sucked more as a whole in the past few years than previously but still winning titles.  Dixon was a great college player and the team the year before they won the title was a better team but got robbed going against Duke in the NCAA.  Redick was a great college player, his draft status wasnt warranted though.   You cant say they were overated in college because they didnt turn out to be great pros.

I would rather have Wall, Cousins, Bledsoe, Patterson, than Singler, Scheyer, Smith, and company in the pros…but we are talking about 2 different things.  Duke had great college players and won the title.

Anyway, back on topic.  UNC is not a one-and-done school, they actually try to shy away from signing those who may be just there for a pit stop.  Just like they made the decision to no longer pursue Wall or Evans because they knew they would be one-and-done.  Roy Williams is not the coach to prepare a player for the draft I believe, definitely not if they are only going to be around for a short period.  Dean Smith was the best at developing NBA talent, but he would break a player’s game down and his nuturing took 2-3 years at least.  A freshman playing under Dean Smith wouldnt even be on a scout’s radar…because his system was not designed for a guy to come in and showcase….first thing was, it was about respect and seniority.  I dont care if you were the #1 player in the country in HS, when you got to UNC, you had to carry the upperclassmen’s bags….literally, not a joke.

I dont believe guys like Marvin Williams, Branden Wright, and lets put a Dookie in there, Corey Maggette had seriously planned on forgoing sophomore seasons, but when the scouts are watching and they start talking….what are you going to do?  Everyone had Barnes going pro, and he very well could have and been top 5 pick easy, he will be a much better player by coming back though.

[apb540Participant]

Are you from the Durham, NC area? Cuz if not you are just another pathetic Duke fan. If you are from there, you’re argument for Duke players being so good still sucks. Duke’s NBA role players will not be making JJ Redick money once the new CBA gets into place so the "making millions" point is even more wack than it already was.

[apb540Participant]

Are you from the Durham, NC area? Cuz if not you are just another pathetic Duke fan. If you are from there, you’re argument for Duke players being so good still sucks. Duke’s NBA role players will not be making JJ Redick money once the new CBA gets into place so the "making millions" point is even more wack than it already was.

[apb540Participant]

Are you from the Durham, NC area? Cuz if not you are just another pathetic Duke fan. If you are from there, you’re argument for Duke players being so good still sucks. Duke’s NBA role players will not be making JJ Redick money once the new CBA gets into place so the "making millions" point is even more wack than it already was.

[Lotto StudParticipant]

How & why has this thread swayed into another direction from what the thread was intended for?

[Lotto StudParticipant]

How & why has this thread swayed into another direction from what the thread was intended for?

[Lotto StudParticipant]

How & why has this thread swayed into another direction from what the thread was intended for?

[surveParticipant]

I tried to stay on topic…if you are asking about the fate of McAdoo, I think he should stay no doubt about it, but its not that simple.  As I stated, UNC is not designed for one-and-dones and they try not to recruit that way, but sometimes you still cant help but get some. 

UNC and Duke both backed off of Wall at the last minute, but it was more of a combination of Wall’s off court problems and then the fact that he was struggling with his PSAT (hint).  It simply was not worth the risk to take Wall and chance a possible probation for a guy who is only going to play one year anyway.  So UNC is not that type of party. 

With that being said, if UNC wins the national title this year, and McAdoo is highly visible while doing it…the scouts will be on him hard and Roy WILL be making the ceremonial…yet political "I support James and his family in his decision speech".  It doesnt mean he will be a great NBA player, doesnt mean he wont either.  Its about the money…and to once again cite the overused cliche…."it is…wtf…it is"

[surveParticipant]

I tried to stay on topic…if you are asking about the fate of McAdoo, I think he should stay no doubt about it, but its not that simple.  As I stated, UNC is not designed for one-and-dones and they try not to recruit that way, but sometimes you still cant help but get some. 

UNC and Duke both backed off of Wall at the last minute, but it was more of a combination of Wall’s off court problems and then the fact that he was struggling with his PSAT (hint).  It simply was not worth the risk to take Wall and chance a possible probation for a guy who is only going to play one year anyway.  So UNC is not that type of party. 

With that being said, if UNC wins the national title this year, and McAdoo is highly visible while doing it…the scouts will be on him hard and Roy WILL be making the ceremonial…yet political "I support James and his family in his decision speech".  It doesnt mean he will be a great NBA player, doesnt mean he wont either.  Its about the money…and to once again cite the overused cliche…."it is…wtf…it is"

[surveParticipant]

I tried to stay on topic…if you are asking about the fate of McAdoo, I think he should stay no doubt about it, but its not that simple.  As I stated, UNC is not designed for one-and-dones and they try not to recruit that way, but sometimes you still cant help but get some. 

UNC and Duke both backed off of Wall at the last minute, but it was more of a combination of Wall’s off court problems and then the fact that he was struggling with his PSAT (hint).  It simply was not worth the risk to take Wall and chance a possible probation for a guy who is only going to play one year anyway.  So UNC is not that type of party. 

With that being said, if UNC wins the national title this year, and McAdoo is highly visible while doing it…the scouts will be on him hard and Roy WILL be making the ceremonial…yet political "I support James and his family in his decision speech".  It doesnt mean he will be a great NBA player, doesnt mean he wont either.  Its about the money…and to once again cite the overused cliche…."it is…wtf…it is"

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

sorry i am responsible for taking it there memphis…

on another note…the reason why Maryland and Duke are so successful are not the players…its the coaches.

yes, Gary Williams could never really recruit (maybe steve francis)…his players always over-acheived. And Coach K, well that goes without saying. Maybe the GOAT. Thats why the players from those schools are limited to being role players in the NBA…

UNC…thats a different story. Give me the job and i guarantee i could recruit studs and go to the tourny. Honestly all you have to do is sit back and recruits just flock to you. Its actually pretty pathetic they didnt even make the tourny with that squad…are you kidding me? 

Big East > ACC

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

sorry i am responsible for taking it there memphis…

on another note…the reason why Maryland and Duke are so successful are not the players…its the coaches.

yes, Gary Williams could never really recruit (maybe steve francis)…his players always over-acheived. And Coach K, well that goes without saying. Maybe the GOAT. Thats why the players from those schools are limited to being role players in the NBA…

UNC…thats a different story. Give me the job and i guarantee i could recruit studs and go to the tourny. Honestly all you have to do is sit back and recruits just flock to you. Its actually pretty pathetic they didnt even make the tourny with that squad…are you kidding me? 

Big East > ACC

[Bmore_DCParticipant]

sorry i am responsible for taking it there memphis…

on another note…the reason why Maryland and Duke are so successful are not the players…its the coaches.

yes, Gary Williams could never really recruit (maybe steve francis)…his players always over-acheived. And Coach K, well that goes without saying. Maybe the GOAT. Thats why the players from those schools are limited to being role players in the NBA…

UNC…thats a different story. Give me the job and i guarantee i could recruit studs and go to the tourny. Honestly all you have to do is sit back and recruits just flock to you. Its actually pretty pathetic they didnt even make the tourny with that squad…are you kidding me? 

Big East > ACC

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