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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 5:40pm #59042
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     20 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists a game.  Great shooting numbers with around 45% from the field, 40% from long range and 80% on free throws.

    Being picked one spot ahead of George wasn’t a good look for Hayward’s status but now Hayward has caught up to him and might compete with George, Wall and Cousins as the best player from that draft.  Whiteside was also in that draft, and if he continues his recent play could be mentioned in that group too.

    Hayward has increased his scoring average every season, and his defense and steals numbers have gotten better too.

    Would people agree that pick 9 Hayward is in the top 5 of players from his draft, and if he stays healthy and the Jazz start to win a lot more maybe Hayward could be evetually among the top 3 of the 2010 NBA Draft?

     

     

     

     

     

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:10pm #965397
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    He does wonders on 2k that’s for sure!

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:10pm #965251
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    He does wonders on 2k that’s for sure!

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:53pm #965401
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    Relax, he’s throwing up numbers on a terrible squad.  You literally just mentioned him with John Wall, Paul George (said same level..HUH?), and Cousins…  Like these guys done this for over a year at least…  Paul George became what he is today because of what he did in the playoffs, then he carried that progression over to the next season.  There are unwritten rules before you can call someone a star…  And even though Gordon Hayward is getting paid like one, he’s not a star yet.  Relax….

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:53pm #965255
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    Relax, he’s throwing up numbers on a terrible squad.  You literally just mentioned him with John Wall, Paul George (said same level..HUH?), and Cousins…  Like these guys done this for over a year at least…  Paul George became what he is today because of what he did in the playoffs, then he carried that progression over to the next season.  There are unwritten rules before you can call someone a star…  And even though Gordon Hayward is getting paid like one, he’s not a star yet.  Relax….

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    • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:37pm #965415
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      He didn’t ask if Hayward was the best player in the draft. He asked if he might be top 5. Maybe the statement that Hayward’s a star is premature, but calling Hayward a possible top 5 player from that draft is hardly a stretch. He’s averaging about 20/5/4/1.5 on good efficiency. Last year he averaged 16/5/5 and the year before he averaged 14/3/3. He’s had a nice progression through his career thus far and there’s no reason to think it won’t continue.

      Tonight he abused Rudy Gay all game long on both ends of the floor. He shut him down defensively and got any shot he wanted on him on the offensive end. People underestimate him as an athlete and player. 

      George still looks like the better player, averaging about 22/7/3/2 on 42% shooting last year. However, an argument could be made for Hayward based on player efficiency and the fact that George plays in the much less competitive East. Millsap went from being a solid PF in the West to being a 2x allstar in the East. If Hayward were playing in the East his numbers would be better as well and I think he’s be in the allstar discussion. I still think George is at a higher level, but I think it’s closer than some people want to admit. All said, the poster is not even making that argument. He’s asking if Hayward might be in the top 5 from the class. Whether you think he is or not, if you’re honest you’ll admit it’s a very close call.

      Hayward’s success is not just "throwing up numbers on a terrible squad." In the West there really are no terrible squads outside of Minn. Utah and Sacramento would both be playoff teams in the East, even if they have bad records out West. Instead, he’s on an average-but-losing squad that is not yet good enough to break through in the West. I don’t think he’s a star yet, but I think he’s in the 3-6 range of his draft class. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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    • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:37pm #965269
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      He didn’t ask if Hayward was the best player in the draft. He asked if he might be top 5. Maybe the statement that Hayward’s a star is premature, but calling Hayward a possible top 5 player from that draft is hardly a stretch. He’s averaging about 20/5/4/1.5 on good efficiency. Last year he averaged 16/5/5 and the year before he averaged 14/3/3. He’s had a nice progression through his career thus far and there’s no reason to think it won’t continue.

      Tonight he abused Rudy Gay all game long on both ends of the floor. He shut him down defensively and got any shot he wanted on him on the offensive end. People underestimate him as an athlete and player. 

      George still looks like the better player, averaging about 22/7/3/2 on 42% shooting last year. However, an argument could be made for Hayward based on player efficiency and the fact that George plays in the much less competitive East. Millsap went from being a solid PF in the West to being a 2x allstar in the East. If Hayward were playing in the East his numbers would be better as well and I think he’s be in the allstar discussion. I still think George is at a higher level, but I think it’s closer than some people want to admit. All said, the poster is not even making that argument. He’s asking if Hayward might be in the top 5 from the class. Whether you think he is or not, if you’re honest you’ll admit it’s a very close call.

      Hayward’s success is not just "throwing up numbers on a terrible squad." In the West there really are no terrible squads outside of Minn. Utah and Sacramento would both be playoff teams in the East, even if they have bad records out West. Instead, he’s on an average-but-losing squad that is not yet good enough to break through in the West. I don’t think he’s a star yet, but I think he’s in the 3-6 range of his draft class. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

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      • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 10:53pm #965429
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        Paul Milsap wasn’t coming from a team that was terrible…   Remember he was a key member of the last Utah team to go to the playoffs…  2011-2012

        I took offense to the statement that he was considered a star.  Which is over blown…  Same like Paul George beginning of last season…  Some people on this site made statements that he was a better player than Melo…  So in essence him calling Gordon Hayward pretty much the same player as Paul George is PUSHING it…  

        Playing defense on Rudy Gay isn’t saying much because Rudy plays great defense on himself with the terrible shots he takes…  Paul George is a GREAT defensive player (one of the best in the league) so to even mention Gordon Hayward in the same breath is a little ridiculous to me…

        Utah or Sac wouldn’t be in the playoffs in the East either….  I understand the West is a tight race and all, but you act like Atlanta is a trash team (they JUST whooped the #1 team in the West)…  

        His title says "Gordon Hayward is now a star", but I’m the one that should calm down by telling him to relax?  Make sense of that…  

         

          

         

          

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      • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 10:53pm #965283
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        Paul Milsap wasn’t coming from a team that was terrible…   Remember he was a key member of the last Utah team to go to the playoffs…  2011-2012

        I took offense to the statement that he was considered a star.  Which is over blown…  Same like Paul George beginning of last season…  Some people on this site made statements that he was a better player than Melo…  So in essence him calling Gordon Hayward pretty much the same player as Paul George is PUSHING it…  

        Playing defense on Rudy Gay isn’t saying much because Rudy plays great defense on himself with the terrible shots he takes…  Paul George is a GREAT defensive player (one of the best in the league) so to even mention Gordon Hayward in the same breath is a little ridiculous to me…

        Utah or Sac wouldn’t be in the playoffs in the East either….  I understand the West is a tight race and all, but you act like Atlanta is a trash team (they JUST whooped the #1 team in the West)…  

        His title says "Gordon Hayward is now a star", but I’m the one that should calm down by telling him to relax?  Make sense of that…  

         

          

         

          

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    • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 8:59am #965471
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      “He’s throwing up numbers on a terrible squad”../immediately mentions DeMarcus Cousins. You didn’t see the irony in that?

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    • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 8:59am #965325
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      “He’s throwing up numbers on a terrible squad”../immediately mentions DeMarcus Cousins. You didn’t see the irony in that?

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      • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 2:19pm #965508
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        24 and 13…  These numbers are very different…  The fact that he’s not putting up 20 points a game on a below average team also screams he’s not a star…  Name one player in history that was on a terrible team and considered a star that didn’t average 20 points?  Name them…  

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      • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 2:19pm #965360
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        24 and 13…  These numbers are very different…  The fact that he’s not putting up 20 points a game on a below average team also screams he’s not a star…  Name one player in history that was on a terrible team and considered a star that didn’t average 20 points?  Name them…  

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        • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 3:24pm #965382
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          He is rated as the 4th best SF currently in the game by ESPN advanced metrics. Also the Jazz play at a very slow pace (3rd slowest in the NBA), his raw ppg numbers, which is kind of dumb to measure someone on, are better than they appear . 

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          • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 5:37pm #965390
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            There are only 3 stars at SF… KD and Melo been injured most of this season…  At the end of the day all I said is he’s not a star…  And he’s not…  He’s not even an all-star at this moment and his numbers aren’t "star" worthy even on a terrible team…  

            I also find it hilarous that these only threads happen when players have great games…  No one says anything when players go 3 for 11 and a loss…  No one talks about how even in the Eastern Conference the Utah Jazz wouldn’t be in the playoffs, though almost half of the Jazz’s games was versus the EC so far this year…  And still, their record wouldn’t be playoffs worthy…  Opportunity is much of the reason he’s allowed to do what he’s doing…  I really didn’t expect him to do that much, but damn, the kid isn’t a star right NOW…  And honestly unless your numbers are just THAT good w/o a playoff birth you shouldn’t be considered either..  

            I’m not fond of giving players premature status when they haven’t done anything to warrant that.  Especially players on terrible teams…

             

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            • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 2:21am #965434
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              The jazz are close to 0.500 in the last 20 to 25 games. It’s not a terrible team anymore and part of the reason why they improve is because they follow Hayward’s leadership/play.

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            • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 2:21am #965582
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              The jazz are close to 0.500 in the last 20 to 25 games. It’s not a terrible team anymore and part of the reason why they improve is because they follow Hayward’s leadership/play.

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          • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 5:37pm #965537
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            There are only 3 stars at SF… KD and Melo been injured most of this season…  At the end of the day all I said is he’s not a star…  And he’s not…  He’s not even an all-star at this moment and his numbers aren’t "star" worthy even on a terrible team…  

            I also find it hilarous that these only threads happen when players have great games…  No one says anything when players go 3 for 11 and a loss…  No one talks about how even in the Eastern Conference the Utah Jazz wouldn’t be in the playoffs, though almost half of the Jazz’s games was versus the EC so far this year…  And still, their record wouldn’t be playoffs worthy…  Opportunity is much of the reason he’s allowed to do what he’s doing…  I really didn’t expect him to do that much, but damn, the kid isn’t a star right NOW…  And honestly unless your numbers are just THAT good w/o a playoff birth you shouldn’t be considered either..  

            I’m not fond of giving players premature status when they haven’t done anything to warrant that.  Especially players on terrible teams…

             

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        • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 3:24pm #965530
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          He is rated as the 4th best SF currently in the game by ESPN advanced metrics. Also the Jazz play at a very slow pace (3rd slowest in the NBA), his raw ppg numbers, which is kind of dumb to measure someone on, are better than they appear . 

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:59pm #965403
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    At one point, I was one of the few on this site who believed Gordon Hayward was worth his selection and had All-Star potential. I’ve read it all on this site… How Kyle Singler was better. How Luke Babbitt was better. How even Devin Ebanks was better, but just wasn’t getting the opportunity. How 30-40 players should’ve been selected before him lol. How he was only getting hyped up because he was white. Those haters/doubters have disappeared.

    There’s no doubt that he’s one of the top five players in the 2010 draft. I’d place him behind DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Paul George. 

    I’ve always thought that Hayward was one year of development behind George. Like Hayward’s 2013-2014 season was similar to George’s 2012-2013 season. Just like George, Hayward is doing a lot better in his second season as the go-to option. Hayward actually has better shooting percentages this season than George had in 2013-2014. People will bring up the fact that George was putting up those numbers on a winning team, but there’s been no Roy Hibbert, David West, Danny Granger, George Hill, Lance Stephenson, etc, etc on Utah. I’m not saying Hayward is better than George, but I think he can do similar things on the court.

    With Rudy Gobert developing and being the defensive anchor/rim protector that he is, and the Jazz adding more pieces… I think the Jazz will begin to win more games soon and Hayward will no longer be seen as a player just putting up numbers on a losing team. 

     

      

     

     

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 6:59pm #965257
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    At one point, I was one of the few on this site who believed Gordon Hayward was worth his selection and had All-Star potential. I’ve read it all on this site… How Kyle Singler was better. How Luke Babbitt was better. How even Devin Ebanks was better, but just wasn’t getting the opportunity. How 30-40 players should’ve been selected before him lol. How he was only getting hyped up because he was white. Those haters/doubters have disappeared.

    There’s no doubt that he’s one of the top five players in the 2010 draft. I’d place him behind DeMarcus Cousins, John Wall and Paul George. 

    I’ve always thought that Hayward was one year of development behind George. Like Hayward’s 2013-2014 season was similar to George’s 2012-2013 season. Just like George, Hayward is doing a lot better in his second season as the go-to option. Hayward actually has better shooting percentages this season than George had in 2013-2014. People will bring up the fact that George was putting up those numbers on a winning team, but there’s been no Roy Hibbert, David West, Danny Granger, George Hill, Lance Stephenson, etc, etc on Utah. I’m not saying Hayward is better than George, but I think he can do similar things on the court.

    With Rudy Gobert developing and being the defensive anchor/rim protector that he is, and the Jazz adding more pieces… I think the Jazz will begin to win more games soon and Hayward will no longer be seen as a player just putting up numbers on a losing team. 

     

      

     

     

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:33pm #965413
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    Gordon is one of the top 20-30 players in the league. He is one of the top 15 or so two-way players. If he keeps spending his summers with Team USA as a Select Team/National Team participant, he will only get better.

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:33pm #965267
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    Gordon is one of the top 20-30 players in the league. He is one of the top 15 or so two-way players. If he keeps spending his summers with Team USA as a Select Team/National Team participant, he will only get better.

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:44pm #965417
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    There’s a lot of old topics on Hayward that might make some of you laugh.

    He was called an Adam Morrison clone here.

    This guy named more than 20 players drafted after Hayward that would be better than him.

    There was a ton of negativity surrounding the pick when it was made. Never understood why. Thought he was a good fit, even though I wanted the Jazz to draft Cole Aldrich.

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  • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 7:44pm #965271
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    There’s a lot of old topics on Hayward that might make some of you laugh.

    He was called an Adam Morrison clone here.

    This guy named more than 20 players drafted after Hayward that would be better than him.

    There was a ton of negativity surrounding the pick when it was made. Never understood why. Thought he was a good fit, even though I wanted the Jazz to draft Cole Aldrich.

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    • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 8:16pm #965419
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      A 6’9" Dirk… Ha! Gotta love Cyclo. At this point, Babbitt would be lucky to have a career even close to Croshere’s lol. 

      Lol @ Sheltwon. 

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    • Posted on: Sat, 02/07/2015 - 8:16pm #965273
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      A 6’9" Dirk… Ha! Gotta love Cyclo. At this point, Babbitt would be lucky to have a career even close to Croshere’s lol. 

      Lol @ Sheltwon. 

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  • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 6:57am #965463
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     Sheltwon re-upped in 2013 too….Still stating he’d draft Gani Lawal over him despite the fact he hadn’t played in an NBA game.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/season-gordon-hayward-will-break-out

    To be fair, a lot of guys see plummeting feild goal percentages the first year they’re used as a #1 option in the NBA. Same thing happened to Paul George, only to see his percentages raise the next year.

    It’s easy to score at a higher clip when you’re not relied on so much. Hayward is just seeing his percentages raise because he’s more comforable in this role, when compared to last year. Utah isn’t going in a bad direction either. They’re on an upward trajectory, and I like their young core group of players….I wouldn’t be shocked if they were an 8 seed next year or the year after.

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  • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 6:57am #965317
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     Sheltwon re-upped in 2013 too….Still stating he’d draft Gani Lawal over him despite the fact he hadn’t played in an NBA game.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/season-gordon-hayward-will-break-out

    To be fair, a lot of guys see plummeting feild goal percentages the first year they’re used as a #1 option in the NBA. Same thing happened to Paul George, only to see his percentages raise the next year.

    It’s easy to score at a higher clip when you’re not relied on so much. Hayward is just seeing his percentages raise because he’s more comforable in this role, when compared to last year. Utah isn’t going in a bad direction either. They’re on an upward trajectory, and I like their young core group of players….I wouldn’t be shocked if they were an 8 seed next year or the year after.

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  • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 9:09am #965473
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    @Junior Greek Baller

    I usually don’t reply to trolls, but I’ll take the bait.

    I was one of the first users on this site to mention Gordon Hayward as a potential first round pick. As I watched him more and more, I felt he had the chance to be a lottery pick. There were those on this site who felt he wasn’t a lottery pick… Barely worth a first round pick. Some felt he didn’t even have NBA game. When Hayward was drafted in the *lottery*, I thought he was worth the selection of being in the *lottery*. I didn’t think he’d go 9th, but wasn’t surprised that the Jazz picked him since I thought he’d be a great fit. I thought he’d go towards the end of the lottery, but always thought he was worth a lottery selection. And for the second time… I wasn’t surprised the Jazz picked him because I always thought he was a perfect fit.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/nba-ballbest-player-5-years-paul-george-kawhi-leonard-or-michael-kidd-gilchrist

    2/20/2010

    "Gordon Hayward – I’m very high on him. The more and more I watch him, the more confident I am he could be a lottery pick next season."

    "He has a lot of potential. I think he’s a a first round pick this year and has a chance at the lottery next season. Keep an eye on him."

    "Don’t forget that Hayward is only 19 years old and a late bloomer. He’s just now realizing how good he can be. He has a lot of potential."

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/i-love-you-gordon-hayward-lol

    6/25/2010

    "I didn’t think it’d really happen, but I always felt that Hayward had a chance to be taken by the Jazz."

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/gordon-hayward-bust-or-project

    8/11/2010

    "I think the 9th pick was too high for Hayward, but at the same time… He fits perfectly with the Jazz."

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    As far as Gordon Hayward being a "star", I didn’t think he’d be a star player before he was drafted. I thought he’d be a good player, especially in the Jazz system. That was 6/2010 though. Things change and so do opinions once you see players on the court and how their games translate. After his first season and the way he finished the season on a strong note, I felt he COULD possibly make an All-Star game. 

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/will-gordon-hayward-be-allstar

    8/8/2011

    "He COULD make an All-Star game, but I think he’ll most likely be just a good player on a good team. He’ll get considerations, but I think he’ll be on the outside looking in majority of the time when it comes to all-star appearances."

    I STILL don’t think Hayward will ever be a superstar, but I do think he has All-Star *potential*. Realistically, I see him as the second option on a championship caliber team.

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    As far as me thinking Hayward was a better player than Paul George (9/2012)… At that point I did. Coming off the 2011-2012 season, Hayward was shooting better shooting percentages, showing better ball handling/passing and was getting to the free-throw line more. Other than his defense and athleticism, I wasn’t impressed with George. He couldn’t dribble/pass and he was passive. However, the jump that he made in 2012-2013 was amazing and he showed so much improvement at the offensive end. I’ve never thought Hayward had George’s upside, but I now no longer think that he is the better player either. I think Hayward can do similar things as George, but I definitely think George is the better player. 

    The facts are that if you go back and read what I’ve said about Hayward, I’ve been primarily on point about everything I’ve written and the threads are in the archives to back that up. 

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  • Posted on: Sun, 02/08/2015 - 9:09am #965327
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    @Junior Greek Baller

    I usually don’t reply to trolls, but I’ll take the bait.

    I was one of the first users on this site to mention Gordon Hayward as a potential first round pick. As I watched him more and more, I felt he had the chance to be a lottery pick. There were those on this site who felt he wasn’t a lottery pick… Barely worth a first round pick. Some felt he didn’t even have NBA game. When Hayward was drafted in the *lottery*, I thought he was worth the selection of being in the *lottery*. I didn’t think he’d go 9th, but wasn’t surprised that the Jazz picked him since I thought he’d be a great fit. I thought he’d go towards the end of the lottery, but always thought he was worth a lottery selection. And for the second time… I wasn’t surprised the Jazz picked him because I always thought he was a perfect fit.

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/nba-ballbest-player-5-years-paul-george-kawhi-leonard-or-michael-kidd-gilchrist

    2/20/2010

    "Gordon Hayward – I’m very high on him. The more and more I watch him, the more confident I am he could be a lottery pick next season."

    "He has a lot of potential. I think he’s a a first round pick this year and has a chance at the lottery next season. Keep an eye on him."

    "Don’t forget that Hayward is only 19 years old and a late bloomer. He’s just now realizing how good he can be. He has a lot of potential."

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/i-love-you-gordon-hayward-lol

    6/25/2010

    "I didn’t think it’d really happen, but I always felt that Hayward had a chance to be taken by the Jazz."

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/gordon-hayward-bust-or-project

    8/11/2010

    "I think the 9th pick was too high for Hayward, but at the same time… He fits perfectly with the Jazz."

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    As far as Gordon Hayward being a "star", I didn’t think he’d be a star player before he was drafted. I thought he’d be a good player, especially in the Jazz system. That was 6/2010 though. Things change and so do opinions once you see players on the court and how their games translate. After his first season and the way he finished the season on a strong note, I felt he COULD possibly make an All-Star game. 

    http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/will-gordon-hayward-be-allstar

    8/8/2011

    "He COULD make an All-Star game, but I think he’ll most likely be just a good player on a good team. He’ll get considerations, but I think he’ll be on the outside looking in majority of the time when it comes to all-star appearances."

    I STILL don’t think Hayward will ever be a superstar, but I do think he has All-Star *potential*. Realistically, I see him as the second option on a championship caliber team.

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    As far as me thinking Hayward was a better player than Paul George (9/2012)… At that point I did. Coming off the 2011-2012 season, Hayward was shooting better shooting percentages, showing better ball handling/passing and was getting to the free-throw line more. Other than his defense and athleticism, I wasn’t impressed with George. He couldn’t dribble/pass and he was passive. However, the jump that he made in 2012-2013 was amazing and he showed so much improvement at the offensive end. I’ve never thought Hayward had George’s upside, but I now no longer think that he is the better player either. I think Hayward can do similar things as George, but I definitely think George is the better player. 

    The facts are that if you go back and read what I’ve said about Hayward, I’ve been primarily on point about everything I’ve written and the threads are in the archives to back that up. 

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 3:15am #965440
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    c’mooooon.. Boogie Wall and Paul George are EASILY top3 of the draft

     

    but as far as top5 it’s pretty debatable, I still like Monroe more and there are still players like Favors Bledsoe or even Whiteside now..

     

    So yes he proved me wrong he is a good pick at 9, but don’t overreact on the stats on one of the weakest teams in the league, he is good but not great, so if teams regrets passing on somebody it’s Paul George (who people starts to forget I see, heey if he will be the same he is top5 player in 3years) maybe even Jazz still thinks like: OK Gordon is really really good, but PG was available to draft at the time

     

     

     

     

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 3:15am #965588
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    c’mooooon.. Boogie Wall and Paul George are EASILY top3 of the draft

     

    but as far as top5 it’s pretty debatable, I still like Monroe more and there are still players like Favors Bledsoe or even Whiteside now..

     

    So yes he proved me wrong he is a good pick at 9, but don’t overreact on the stats on one of the weakest teams in the league, he is good but not great, so if teams regrets passing on somebody it’s Paul George (who people starts to forget I see, heey if he will be the same he is top5 player in 3years) maybe even Jazz still thinks like: OK Gordon is really really good, but PG was available to draft at the time

     

     

     

     

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 6:54am #965462
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     I’ve said this before, and no one agrees with me. The Jazz are good. New Coach Snyder makes a hell of a difference. Its like night and day difference. The Jazz started out with a very tough schedule. I think it was like the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, so their record doesn’t match with what I’m about to say, but mark my words, the Jazz can do it. I really believe that the Jazz can come close to making the playoffs this year. They won’t get there because the west is just too tough, but they will get close. I seriously think the Pelicans, Suns, Thunder and the Jazz will all be fighting for the last two playoff spots. In the end only two of those 4 teams will make it, but the other two will still be in 9th and 10th place respectively. I really think the Jazz will finish the season in 10th place. 

    Hayward was a great draft choice, I was one of many fans who questioned this pick and didn’t like it, but after last year, he changed my mind. I love it. He’s not just putting up great numbers on a bad team, he’s doing this against some of the top ball clubs in the league. You don’t just beat the Warriors and still be bad ball club. The Jazz are better than a lot of people think. Hayward has been doing this for quite awhile. He’s averaged like 25 points for the past 15 or so games and still doing well assist wise. Show him some respect. You can’t say that he’s just putting up great numbers on a bad team, when he did the same thing against the best team in the league, the Warriors, who are killing pretty much every team they face with the Splash brothers and their stifling D.

     

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 6:54am #965609
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     I’ve said this before, and no one agrees with me. The Jazz are good. New Coach Snyder makes a hell of a difference. Its like night and day difference. The Jazz started out with a very tough schedule. I think it was like the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, so their record doesn’t match with what I’m about to say, but mark my words, the Jazz can do it. I really believe that the Jazz can come close to making the playoffs this year. They won’t get there because the west is just too tough, but they will get close. I seriously think the Pelicans, Suns, Thunder and the Jazz will all be fighting for the last two playoff spots. In the end only two of those 4 teams will make it, but the other two will still be in 9th and 10th place respectively. I really think the Jazz will finish the season in 10th place. 

    Hayward was a great draft choice, I was one of many fans who questioned this pick and didn’t like it, but after last year, he changed my mind. I love it. He’s not just putting up great numbers on a bad team, he’s doing this against some of the top ball clubs in the league. You don’t just beat the Warriors and still be bad ball club. The Jazz are better than a lot of people think. Hayward has been doing this for quite awhile. He’s averaged like 25 points for the past 15 or so games and still doing well assist wise. Show him some respect. You can’t say that he’s just putting up great numbers on a bad team, when he did the same thing against the best team in the league, the Warriors, who are killing pretty much every team they face with the Splash brothers and their stifling D.

     

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 3:52pm #965738
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    "I’ve said this before, and no one agrees with me. The Jazz are good. New Coach Snyder makes a hell of a difference. Its like night and day difference. The Jazz started out with a very tough schedule. I think it was like the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, so their record doesn’t match with what I’m about to say, but mark my words, the Jazz can do it. I really believe that the Jazz can come close to making the playoffs this year. They won’t get there because the west is just too tough, but they will get close. I seriously think the Pelicans, Suns, Thunder and the Jazz will all be fighting for the last two playoff spots. In the end only two of those 4 teams will make it, but the other two will still be in 9th and 10th place respectively. I really think the Jazz will finish the season in 10th place."


    This is an extremely bold prediction. The Jazz only play 31 more games and are 15 games below .500. The Thunder are currently in 10th place, and are a single game above .500. The Jazz would have to win about 24 games to finish one game above .500. That means Utah would have to win 77.4% of their remaining games, which would make them the third best team in the NBA over that time period behind the only Hawks and the Warriors (comparing to current winning percentages).

    The Jazz are simply not the third best team in the NBA. If they were, they wouldn’t have the third worst record in the West.

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  • Posted on: Mon, 02/09/2015 - 3:52pm #965590
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    butidonthavemoney

    "I’ve said this before, and no one agrees with me. The Jazz are good. New Coach Snyder makes a hell of a difference. Its like night and day difference. The Jazz started out with a very tough schedule. I think it was like the 3rd toughest schedule in the league, so their record doesn’t match with what I’m about to say, but mark my words, the Jazz can do it. I really believe that the Jazz can come close to making the playoffs this year. They won’t get there because the west is just too tough, but they will get close. I seriously think the Pelicans, Suns, Thunder and the Jazz will all be fighting for the last two playoff spots. In the end only two of those 4 teams will make it, but the other two will still be in 9th and 10th place respectively. I really think the Jazz will finish the season in 10th place."


    This is an extremely bold prediction. The Jazz only play 31 more games and are 15 games below .500. The Thunder are currently in 10th place, and are a single game above .500. The Jazz would have to win about 24 games to finish one game above .500. That means Utah would have to win 77.4% of their remaining games, which would make them the third best team in the NBA over that time period behind the only Hawks and the Warriors (comparing to current winning percentages).

    The Jazz are simply not the third best team in the NBA. If they were, they wouldn’t have the third worst record in the West.

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  • Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2015 - 1:31am #965657
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    sitlbito
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    No way they’re gonna make the playoffs to me,but they’re inching closer to where they need to be. They have young pieces who believe in team work. Just to state a funny thing,Rudy Gobert was invited in the “tony parker show” on a French radio,where Parker invites some of his friends every week,and often some nba players,and when asked about Dante Exum Rudy said “I like him,he likes to play for his teammates….unlike some american players”. I don’t know why he said that,if it was about Trey Burke or alec burcs,but it’s funny to see that Utah doesn’t seem worse with Exum on the floor rather than Burke.

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  • Posted on: Tue, 02/10/2015 - 1:31am #965805
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    sitlbito
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    No way they’re gonna make the playoffs to me,but they’re inching closer to where they need to be. They have young pieces who believe in team work. Just to state a funny thing,Rudy Gobert was invited in the “tony parker show” on a French radio,where Parker invites some of his friends every week,and often some nba players,and when asked about Dante Exum Rudy said “I like him,he likes to play for his teammates….unlike some american players”. I don’t know why he said that,if it was about Trey Burke or alec burcs,but it’s funny to see that Utah doesn’t seem worse with Exum on the floor rather than Burke.

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