[Michael.S.Participant]

For all the people who say Jennings killed Wall every time they went head to head,

maybe he did, but guess what is doesn’t matter. Why doesn’t it matter? Because we all know young kids slack on D and aren’t nearly as committed on that end of the ball ie. John Wall ( he takes possessions off, but he is can be a great defender with his intensity and athleticism and speed ) so Jennings as u guys say lit him up, and i really doubt that Jennings shut down Wall in those games on the flip side.

For all the people that think Jennings is a better prospect, and Wall is over-hyped,

Jennings is extremely athletic and fast as hell, but he doesn’t take advantage of that on the court. Instead he looks scared of contact and instead of driving the lane and finishing over/with contact he would rather chuck up 20 footers when he should be attacking the rim every time, as seen in S.L. and H.S. because we all saw that Jennings even with his incredible speed and athleticism didn’t attack at all or even have 1 dunk in the entire S.L. while he was too busy jacking up threes and getting benched.On the flip side John Wall is NON STOP attacking and making highligh plays at the rim with either a beautiful finish or unbelievable pass. IMO he is faster and more athletic than Jennings and actually uses those undeniable talents in his game, his jumper will come but if ur John Wall do u really need it?Thats why John Wall will be one of the greatest IMO

thoughts?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

It does matter. If you say Wall will be the next Rose. What is Jennings then because he killed Wall Twice.

I dont think Wall is the next Rose…I see more bigger Kenny Anderson.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

would expect wall to be better than Jennings because he is the more all around talented player. I still think Jennings is going to be the best point in this last draft only Flynn maybe surpassing him. Wall is stronger,longer, and a better finisher. I could see Wall having trouble dealing with Jennings when he pushes the ball though because of his speed. So I do think on the defensive end Jennings would give him problems, just a bad match up. I still expect Wall to be far and away the better player based on what I have seen. I am curious to see if Wall eats all comers next year like he is hyped to do though. Jennings has proved himself against better competition thus far.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Knicksboy ur cool , but i knew u were gonna argue my post because every1 knows ur feelings about Wall (u still found something to argue even though it was nonsense and even though i made a valid point )

[Knicksboy34Participant]

No but look at your last sentence…Wall’s gonna be the greatest IMO.

Brandon Jennings right now is better than John Wall. Say what you want. I remember watching Rose vs Jennings. Rose made Jennings look small. Jennings did the same towards Wall.

You like Wall so of course you say it doesn’t matter but it shows weaknesses in your game that I SAID BEFORE.

[Michael.S.Participant]

well u twisted my statement
i said “Thats why John Wall will be ONE of the greatest”

[Knicksboy34Participant]

that’s because you just changed it. I copied and pasted it.

You cannot make a valid statement and say ” Why does it matter?” I does matter. I wanna see how someone does against older talent.

If Jennings is beating Wall now, what makes you think he will better then him? If Wall and Jennings train the same, Jennings trains a little harder now he will be playing against grown men.

[Michael.S.Participant]

NAHHHHH come on dont lie , keep it real that was my ORIGINAL POST

and obviously u didn’t completely read my post because i said ” i really doubt that Jennings shut down Wall in those games on the flip side” and that Jennings killed him on O because kids now slack off on D, as for being in a different league/level thats crazy

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I swear…I did copy and paste it. I dont need to lie.

I dont hate John Wall. But if you remember in your other John Wall post. I said I’m gonna wait before calling him the greatest or a NBA elite PG. I also said before (dont lie)…I said he had and will have trouble guarding bigger PG’s and he’s taller then Jennings. So he’s a speed Demon on O but a little lazy on D…..

Again, I do not hate John Wall…I’m holding judgment and sharing my opinion on what I previously saw……

[Michael.S.Participant]

dude u were one of my favorite, most liked users but u are losing my credability and respect

i definitely did not change that statement, and u came at me for 1 so called statement without reading the whole second half of my post

[Knicksboy34Participant]

what do you mean? I read it and I saw everything you said. You basically gave us a Wall scouting report and how he better then Jennings,

As for the other thing. I did copy and pasted it. I dont need to lie. I didn’t need to bring it up. I saw it and copied it but i’ll delete it if it’s a problem for you….

[Michael.S.Participant]

nahhhhh , i like u i dont have a problem with u,keep i up i dont care
maybe ur right , maybe i did it without realizng it , but lets forget about it, its stupid, and anyways i wouldnt regret saying Wall would be the greatest anyways ( just watch )

[Knicksboy34Participant]

the greatest what?

[Michael.S.Participant]

IMO PG of all time
my comparison is a PG Lebron

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Better then Magic (MVP’s, All-star, Finals MVP)
Better then Oscar (Trip-double in a season)
Better than Cousy (11 rings)
Better than Walt (Master of steals)
Better then Stockton (All time Assist and Steals leaders)

I dunno….I doubt it.

[Michael.S.Participant]

like i said watch, maybe u can doubt it but u cant doubt he has more potential than all those guys

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Potential…the gift and the curse.

I dont know how good Wall will be but the odds right now are 50-50.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

you cannot compare potential in the 70’s to potential now….

[MallStax5Participant]

you cant say any player will be the greatest outta high school?
look at all the players everybody else thought was gonna be the Greatest cuz they were the shit in hs?

Deshawn Stevenson
Kwame Brown
Tyson Chandler
Sabastian Telfair

yamean you cant say any player will be the greatest out of Hs

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I said that last time….Max. People who love players wont listen

[HaleParticipant]

Calling him the greatest pg ever is going overboard man, I mean I am a big fan of Wall but I don’t see him being better then Magic and Stockton.

[Michael.S.Participant]

great another doubter, u will learn soon enough

you cant say any player will be the greatest outta high school?
look at all the players everybody else thought was gonna be the Greatest cuz they were the &$#%#&@! in hs?

Deshawn Stevenson
Kwame Brown
Tyson Chandler
Sabastian Telfair

What about the others that were absolutely GREAT

Kobe
Dwight
LeBron
ect.

come on man

[Michael.S.Participant]

DAMN can u guys comment on my original post please?

[HaleParticipant]

On the orginal comment I agree, except for the last line.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

you said JOHN WALL WILL BE THE GREATEST PG EVER…come on man.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Yup that i did say it, oveboard or not , watch and learn

[Knicksboy34Participant]

He wont be in alot of ASG’s off the bat either….

Rose, Rondo, Jennings, Nelson in the East

Paul, Williams, Kidd, Nash, Parker, Evans,,Flynn, Rubio, Westbrook in the West

[Michael.S.Participant]

oh so Jennings will be an all-star?

[HaleParticipant]

Harris is in the east as well. I love John Wall as a prospect, he is my favorite player in NCAA basketball, but I don’t think he will be the best ever.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

oh so Jennings will be an all-star?

LOL…he whipped Wall before….Yes, I believe he will be a all-star.

Also, Ramon Sessions is he goes to NY because he may put up stupid numbers in Dantoni system

[McWinningParticipant]

he wont be the best ever but he could be the best point guard in the nba 5 years from now.

[Michael.S.Participant]

LOL…he whipped Wall before
what does that have to do with him being an all star?
and just a question out of curiousity ,how much did Wall score in those 2 games they played?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Is the definition of a pointguard. He looks to pass 1st score second. He gets steals and pressures the ball handler. I think Wall will look to score 1st and not pressure the ball the way Jennings does. I can maybe see Wall being the better player in terms of scoring. I really think Jennings will make everyone else better with his game. Yes an all star. Lets see how Wall gets better under coach Cal. He should get better, but it is tough to call until I see him in college.

[MallStax5Participant]

its rare yo.

man all im sayn is you cant say he will be the greatest ever?
its hit or miss.

you on this guys nuts like you know him

the ONLY sure fire high player out this generation 2000-now
has be Lebron.

i kno yu love wall and all that
but wait til he faces WAY better competition before we say he will be the greatest ever

[Michael.S.Participant]

Jennings
Is the definition of a pointguard. He looks to pass 1st score second.
did u see S.L when he got benched for being a chucker?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Who Knows…What if Wall stocks fall?

What if he goes to UK and shows a big flaw in his game? We never know but the Odds of being Wall being the greatest PG ever is slim as of right now because he has not played a game in college

[HaleParticipant]

Jennings is not pass first, he is shoot first, fancy pass second, Wall is too. Wall is more unselfish then Jennings I think though.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

but wait til he faces WAY better competition before we say he will be the greatest ever

THANK YOU MALLSTAX5!!!! ALL I HAVE BEEN SAYING IS HOLD ON…

[Michael.S.Participant]

LOL…he whipped Wall before
what does that have to do with him being an all star?
and just a question out of curiousity ,how much did Wall score in those 2 games they played?

do u agree on with i said about Jennings and Wall in my original post?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

8.2 assist. That was second in summer league. Shoot first guys like Bayless don’t do that. So what he got sat for shooting in a game. He is a young player. He was finding the shooters and the cutters in the lane. Thats what a point guard does.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

No. To me it does matter a little bit.

[Michael.S.Participant]

and just a question out of curiousity ,how much did Wall score in those 2 games they played?

do u agree on with i said about Jennings and Wall in my original post?

[HaleParticipant]

He got that many assists because he always had the ball in his hands, ala Dwyane Wade. He is still a shoot first pg. He is a very good passer, but he will create for himself first.

[Michael.S.Participant]

ill read it gimme a link

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

David Thorpe the NBA ESPN analyst said about him “He is a true point guard who looks to pass 1st and score second” He said from watching him he saw no reason why everyone would not want to play with him because of his style of play. Evans had the ball a lot and average about 4 assist less. Flynn averaged less to with more turnovers as well

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I dont know off the top of my head but I know he struggled with his shot in both games

No, I dont agree with you. It does matter to me a little bit

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

At the forum right here on draft net with the rankings by David Thorpe.

[Michael.S.Participant]

about how much did he score did he play well?

what u disagree with?why?

[HaleParticipant]

I’m not saying I wouldn’t wanna play with him. I’m not saying he takes 40 shots a game, I am saying he creates for himself before others. A lot of players do, doesn’t make him bad or selfish.Evans isn’t a true pg either.

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

I just think he is more of a point guard then some of these other guys. I understand if the shots not there then he passes, but he does that well.

[HaleParticipant]

I’m glad we can agree on that.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I gotta find it. I think he played ok not like a number 1 pick.

I disagree because I wanna see him do well against players older then him. I saw him play Avery Bradley and he played decent but he had issues creating his shot and playmaking. When he played against Brandon Jennings, he looked small and like the little brother to the big brother.

[Michael.S.Participant]

just 2 more questions

when Wall proves u wrong will u admit it?
and do u disagree about what i said on Jennings?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

when Wall proves u wrong will u admit it- I never said he will be bad. If he is the greatest PG of all time, I will admit i was wrong.

and do u disagree about what i said on Jennings-I think Jennings will be a all-star. So if you disagreed with that then i dont agree with you.

[MallStax5Participant]

lemme tell yall this.

TYREKE EVANS was rated mid – late first round
first round when he first enrolled in memphis last year!
his stock went up high! ok.
john wall on the other hand is being rankd high.
BUT
his stock can drop as quickly as it can rise!

stop hypn up john wall yo forreal.

[Michael.S.Participant]

OK smart guy J.k do u agree on what i said on Jennings in my original statement?
and yesi like Jennings and he can become an all-star, but John Wall is superior IMO
Knicksboy i hope u don’t think i dislike u cuz of this , we cool right?

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

What is Chris Paul to you? Does he look to score 1st he averages over 20 and takes the most shots on the team. Or is he the definition of a point guard? If it is not there for him he passes. Same logic. Paul is the defenition of a point guard wouldn’t u say?

[MallStax5Participant]

because everybody has their embodyment of their “dream” point guard.
honestly,
i dont feel steve nash/tony parker game butim not gon argue bout it cuz its dumb..
and this topic about jennings vs wall is kinda dumb because we all have our different opionions about different things!

[sakuragi84Participant]

i agree with scout4real. i read the david thorpe posting as well so i know he’s not talking garbage.

Now, I don’t think Wall will be better than Magic because I don’t think he can pull off the same magic he did for the lakers in game 6 of the playoffs in his rookie season. I haven’t seen Wall enough to make a good analysis of what I think of him but from what i’ve seen, he looks like a franchise player that everyone will want to watch. but greatest? i don’t agree with that, we’ll have to wait and see

[MallStax5Participant]

he is the real def of a point guard but he has too take alot of shots because he is the team leader and he has to pick up the other players slack, regardless of position.

and david west should and would be the #3 option on most contending teams.

paul has nothing to work with he has to do everything!

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Mall…why did you direct that towards me…

[Michael.S.Participant]

OK smart guy J.k do u agree
OK smart guy J.k do u agree on what i said on Jennings in my original statement?
and yesi like Jennings and he can become an all-star, but John Wall is superior IMO
Knicksboy i hope u don’t think i dislike u cuz of this , we cool right?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

we are cool man.

[MallStax5Participant]

i was jus tryna tell john wall fan #1 that his stock could drop and he should wait til john wall faces better competition.
EVEN though he may not because the SEC has gotten worse throughout the years.
and none of yu cant argue that

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

You support what I am talking about. Thats why Jennings would shoot more. He was the leader of that summer league squad. The only player with pro experiences. Your completely right. Thats what I meant. Meeks is a catch and shoot guy and Alexander is just a finisher for now.

[Michael.S.Participant]

Knicksboy please just answer my other questions

[MallStax5Participant]

i agree ONLY if he makes his teamates better.
because CP3 can score 30 points but he will also have 13 assits.
like idk jennings will be running the show in milwaukee and his only scoring mate will be Redd or maybe Bogut so he will have to score the ball but
Jennings descision making isnt as great and he will force bad shots but with the right coaching he will be just fine

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I think Jennings is better then Wall

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

Had a good record. It won’t kill u to side with me would it MallStax5 lol. They were one of the best summer league teams so he did not hurt them. He hit big 3’s to seal at least 2 games. Turned it over less than Flynn and averaged more assist. Must be a better decision maker maybe. We will see.

[MallStax5Participant]

im with you im just sayn during the season cuz the summer league aint shit compared to the season. i agree withu tho

[Meditated StatesParticipant]

looking forward to the season to see how Wall and Jennings step their games up.

[ChiCityParticipant]

mikenike- You are ridiculous for calling someone one of the greatest when he hasn’t played a single minute of college or pro ball. Over exaggerated statement, carried away.

[Michael.S.Participant]

im not being carried away, because i am SURE this guy is real

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I dont see him being the best ever tho…

[Michael.S.Participant]

Knicksboy i know ur opinion already , i wanna debate with others now

[sameolGParticipant]

all we’ve seen from either of em is high school highlights.. lets wait a little for this argument please?

[Knicksboy34Participant]

but most ppl on this site are gonna tell you the same thing. Your going too far. I didn’t see one person who said they agree he’s gonna be the greatest PG ever

You compared him to a PG LBJ but LBJ wont be the greatest SF ever….

[Michael.S.Participant]

ok no LBJ wont be the greatest SF ever? really?he will be the top 3 greatest IMO

[Knicksboy34Participant]

not really.

6 seasons- 1 MVP. He needs a couple more MVP’s, NBA titles, Scoring Titles, Finals MVP and more big moments.

Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Larry, Oscar, Rusell, Wilt…I dont see him pasting them

[Tim49461Participant]

Ending this With one Statement to rule them all!

Mike *cough* *cough* You said IMO

Enough Said….i just ended it. You can’t debate something that hasn’t happened yet, u realize that right…..he doesn’t have the creds. to do so. Thus your point can’t provide a valid enough argument to support anything.

Thus stating IMO he is going to put up godly numbers doesn’t mean it is going to happen.

Since your so stuck on wall’s wang let me help you out.

If i said the world was going to end…..No date no nothing of how. And it does i can say told you so….if it didn’t happen i can just say…well it hasn’t yet. Your agrument is a loop, making it pointless to debate.

God i F*7king love owning Loser Nut huggers.

[Michael.S.Participant]

first off im not a nut-hugger secondly in my post i explained the diff. between Wall and Jennings and how their matchups mean nothing, so what u said is invalid.
so go F urself scum-bag

[butidonthavemoney]

By squirmydude at 2009-07-26

[Michael.S.Participant]

Butidonthavemoney ur crazy hahaha
but did u read the original post? agree?

[Tim49461Participant]

Mike you don’t get it because you’re a child…..It is called LOGIC….Logic has to meet a certain requirement….if it doesn’t then it can’t be true. SOO Go F yourself when i said it was a Loop and thus can’t be proven. 1 point for the kid who actually is in college and understands the principles of logic FTW. oooh F off punk you just got rape.

[Michael.S.Participant]

u sound like the child, and if ur not u obvioulsy never grew up, what requierment does me saying John Wall will be better than Jennings have to meet smart a$$?

[juicejc1Participant]

A lot of people get “killed” against opponents but that doesn’t mean they are better than someone especially if that’s in the past. Agent 0 lit up Kobe for 60 b4 and no one says he’s better than kobe. Wall has a chance to be really good because of his skill set and in hs avg 9 ast a game along wit 20 pts his sr year, jennings avg 35 pts his sr yr stats that don’t yell past first point guard. Who ever is better will be figured out when wall goes pro because both have a very similar skill set except that jennings is the better shooter at this point.

[MallStax5Participant]

everybody thought Stevenson was gonna be the shit when he came out high school?
as well as Kwame and the rest of them…
WITHOUT PLAYING A MIN IN COLLEGE BALL! yu hyping john wall alil to much

wait til january and see if you still feel that way.

[bluedevils12Participant]

a large reason wall attacks the rim EVERY single time is because he has yet to hit a jump shot. if u have seen wall play u know he is scared to shoot a jump shot. idk if its his mechanics or wat but he jus throws up bricks. its ridiculous. Jennings can become streaky at times and he also has a flair for pulling up in guys faces. i think wall will be exposed at the next level becuz defense will play him 4 his jump shot and unless he drastically improves his nonexistent jumper he may be end for a disappointing fresh season. not bad as jrue holdays tho.

[butidonthavemoney]

There isn’t much logic when it comes to the draft. There is only PROJECTIONS. There is no such thing as a sure thing. “Blake Griffen will never score an NBA hoop.” That arguement is just as valid as “John Wall will be the greatest point guard ever,” or “Ricky Rubio is John Stockton w/ more skills,” or “Tyreke Evans is going to be a solid point guard.”

Scoring a lot of points in college doesn’t mean you will be a good NBA player. Jumping really high doesn’t mean you will be a good NBA player.

Brandon Jennings is either better than John Wall or not. What may be proof to you, may not be proof to others.

You are all just guessing.

Therefore, all of your arguments are invaid!

I win you biatches.

[butidonthavemoney]

Mikenike – Look at the date of an edited post. It changes to the time the post was edited, replacing the time of the original post. I’ve just edited my post entitled “Logic?” Look at the date.

Your first post was made 19 minutes before Knicksboy. So unless Knicksboy copied your last sentence and waited 19 minutes to respond, then you did NOT edit your first post.

Sorry Knicksboy.

[Michael.S.Participant]

i told u guys i didnt change that !!!!!!!!!!! thanks butidonthavemoney

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

butidont for president.

[Michael.S.Participant]

soooooo u choose me now?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i guess i do… but, your claim that you are SURE john wall will be amazing has you winning by .1%… lol the kid has never played college or pro ball

[Michael.S.Participant]

ill take it, u will watch and see soon also

[quincey hodges]

he actually did shut him down the one aau game i saw when they played each other..it wasnt even close …wall had 6 points on 3-14 shooting..and got picked by jennings 6 times( we all know after watching summer leauge that jennings has a knack for steals) while brandon had 32 or 36 cant remeber which and 13 assist though he did have about 4 tunovers..wall stole it once and he got 2 fancy with the other ones…i watched that game because a female friends lil brother played on the d-one team( and he was pretty horrible..lol.)..other than that game though wall put in work

[quincey hodges]

ok mikemike quick comment.and question..you said wall is superior to jennings and i ask how so?..lets consider something…jennings out played him but im not gonna take that into account but i will take into account how they both did in there tru senior years..jennings was player of the year while averaging 30 something points and like 9 ast against great competion correct?..wall was ok not really highly thought of. now wall played a extra year in highschool and in that extra year was ranked one on some rankings and 2,3 in others…now if jennings would have also got a extra year in highschool after the incredible year he already had the previous year dont you think he would have killed even more given a extra year?…i remeber a post about this before and knicks,rbk,and a couple others were telling josh that age doesnt matter and so waht but in reality a extra year in highschool can really boost a player more then some people realize. im not saying wall isnt good because he is, and hes the best pg ive seen play this year but in no way can i say hes better then jennings or greatest of all time because no one knows that..and mike you mentioned kobe,dwight,lebron but you dont understand that howard and lebron are physically much more advance then his,college or most nba players at there position while in highschool..and kobes ability was off the charts as well as being 6’6.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

thanks QH

[Michael.S.Participant]

HAHA Quincy Hodges
ok mikemike quick comment.and question..you said wall is superior to jennings and i ask how so?..lets consider something…jennings out played him but im not gonna take that into account but i will take into account how they both did in there tru senior years..jennings was player of the year while averaging 30 something points and like 9 ast against great competion correct?..wall was ok not really highly thought of. now wall played a extra year in highschool and in that extra year was ranked one on some rankings and 2,3 in others…now if jennings would have also got a extra year in highschool after the incredible year he already had the previous year dont you think he would have killed even more given a extra year?…i remeber a post about this before and knicks,rbk,and a couple others were telling josh that age doesnt matter and so waht but in reality a extra year in highschool can really boost a player more then some people realize

well who the hell cares like u said IN HIGH SCHOOL, John Wall has unlimited potential ( way more than Jennings )
and when it’s all said and done u guys will b like “Damn that Mikenike guy was right ” i love Jennings and as ive said before i think he can become a star , but John Wall is on another planet

[Knicksboy34Participant]

you mentioned kobe,dwight,lebron but you dont understand that howard and lebron are physically much more advance then his,college or most nba players at there position while in highschool..and kobes ability was off the charts as well as being 6’6.

[Michael.S.Participant]

what the hell? u talkin 2 me?

[Michael.S.Participant]

WOW hahahahaha i lost 50 points from this topic, “oh well the haters will see soon enough”

[Knicksboy34Participant]

LOL

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

in nba 2k9, the only rating they don’t give you for draft picks is potential…. cuz it’s impossible to tell someone’s true potential, and whether or not they will ever reach it.

[butidonthavemoney]

HUStLer 4 PreZZ!!!11!1!1!!

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Dont they give players letter grades in that game tho?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

i love that game hahaha except for the fact that rookies in the 2k9 version never score points… i didn’t have 2k8 so i don’t know if happened in that game, but 2k7 the rookies would score

[quincey hodges]

but you still havent proven any point to why wall is better then jennings…jennings out played him when they played, played against better comp and accomplished more in both of there senior years as a matter of fact wall got a extra year and still didnt accomplish what jennings did in his senior year. i understand everyone has an opnion but when you try to make it as a fact you need to have some sort of evidence to back it up yet you have shown none. Youre statement is no different then me saying player A is better then player B even though player B has accomplished more and out played player A head to head

[Knicksboy34Participant]

How much did Wall score against Jennings? 6?

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