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  • #1240705
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    OhCanada-
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    I went back and looked at all the Centers drafted since the Joel Embiid, Nikola Jokic 2014 draft to see if my theory is at least reasonable.The theory is that unless you can get a clearcut top 5 talent the best place to pick a Center is in the early 2nd round. I intend to do this for the other positions as well if I get around to it (may have to wait until next weekend).

    TOP 5 CENTERS (6 players, 4 stars, 1 starter, 1 role player, 0 no impact
    1st pick Deandre Ayton ‘2019 *Star
    1st pick Karl Anthony Towns ‘2015 *Star
    3rd pick Jahlil Okafor ‘2015 *Role Player
    3rd pick Joel Embiid ‘2014 *Star
    4th pick Jaren Jackson Jr. ‘2019 *Starter
    4th pick Kristaps Porzingis ‘2015 *Star
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    LOTTERY CENTERS (14 players, 2 stars, 2 starters, 9 role players, 1 no impact)

    6th pick Mo Bamba ‘2019 *Role Player
    6th pick Willie Caulie-Stein ‘2015 *Role Player
    7th pick Wendell Carter ‘2019 *Starter
    8th pick Jaxson Hayes ‘2020 *Role Player
    9th pick Jakob Poeltl ‘2016 *Role Player
    9th pick Frank Kaminsky ‘2015 *Role Player
    9th pick Noah Vonleh ‘2014 *Role Player
    10th pick Zach Collins ‘2018 *Role Player
    10th pick Thon Maker ‘2016 *Role Player
    11th pick Domantas Sabonis ‘2016 *Star
    11th pick Myles Turner ‘2015 *Starter
    12th pick Trey Lyles ‘2015 *Role Player
    13th pick Georgios Papagiannis ‘2016 *No Impact
    14th pick Bam Adebayo ‘2017 *Star
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    1ST ROUND CENTERS (16 players, 1 star, 2 starters, 8 role players, 5 no impact)

    16th pick Justin Patton ‘2017 *No Impact
    16th pick Jusuf Nurkic ‘2014 *Star
    18th pick Goga Bitadze ‘2020 *Role Player
    20th pick Harry Giles ‘2017 *Role Player
    21st pick Mitch Mcgary ‘2014 *No Impact
    22nd pick Jarrett Allen ‘2017 *Starter
    23rd pick Ante Zizic ‘2016 *No Impact
    25th pick Anzejs Pasecniks ‘2017 *Role Player
    25th pick Clint Capela ‘2015 *Starter
    26th pick Nikola Milutinov ‘2017 *No Impact
    27th pick Mifonde Kabangele ‘2020 *No Impact
    28th pick Skal Labissiere ‘2016 *Role Player
    27th pick Robert Williams ‘2019 *Role Player
    28th pick Tony Bradley ‘2017 *Role Player
    30th pick Damian Jones ‘2016 *Role Player
    30th pick Kevon Looney ‘2015 *Role Player
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    EARLY 2ND ROUND CENTERS (17 players, 1 star, 4 starters, 6 role players, 6 no impact)

    31st pick Deyonta Davis ‘2016 *No Impact
    32nd pick Ivica Zubac ‘2016 *Role Player
    34th pick Bruno Fernando ‘2020 *Role Player
    35th pick Guillermo Hernangomez ‘2015 *Role Player
    36th pick Mitchell Robinson ‘2019 *Starter
    37th pick Chinanu Onuaku ‘2016 *No Impact
    37th pick Richuan Holmes ‘2015 *Starter
    38th pick Daniel Gafford ‘2020 *Role Player
    38th pick Jordan Bell ‘2017 *Role Player
    40th pick Diamond Stone ‘2016 *No Impact
    41st pick Stephen Zimmerman ‘2016 *No Impact
    41st pick Nikola Jokic ‘2014 *Star
    42nd pick Thomas Bryant ‘2017 *Starter
    43rd pick Zhou Qi ‘2016 *No Impact
    43rd pick Walter Tavares ‘2014 *No Impact
    44th pick Bol Bol ‘2020 *Role Player
    45th pick Dwight Powell ‘2014 *Starter
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    LATE 2ND CENTERS (10 players, 0 stars, 0 starters, 0 role players, 10 no impact)

    46th pick AJ Hammons ‘2016 *No Impact
    47th pick Ike Anigbogu ‘2017 *No Impact
    47th pick Arturas Gudaitis ‘2015 *No Impact
    48th pick Dakari Johnson ‘2015 *No Impact
    50th pick Alec Brown ‘2014 *No Impact
    52nd pick Satnam Singh ‘2015 *No Impact
    55th pick Cady Lalanne ‘2015 *No Impact
    57th pick Wang Zhelin ‘2016 *No Impact
    58th pick Thomas Welsh ‘2019 *No Impact
    59th pick Dewan Hernandez ‘2020 *No Impact

    UNDRAFTED NOTABLES
    Naz Reid
    Tacko Fall
    Luke Kornet

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  • #1240707
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    BKGingerSnap
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    Great analysis, what I feel like this shows is that NBA scouting on Centers is actually pretty good. NBA execs are easily able to identify elite talent and jump on the opportunity to draft them. NBA execs are also pretty good at identifying centers who project to borderline all stars to solid role players in the late lottery while being able to avoid busts. It’s possible in the late 1st round/non-lottery to get a star or real asset but here is where no impact players start showing up. I even go further in saying that Bitadze, Giles, Labissiere as no impact. What I think a big takeaway reading this is that 14 NBA centers evaluate a center and decide to pass, there are holes or red flags in the center’s game. early 2nd round is similar late 1st with more no impact players and then late 2nd round is a junk yard.

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  • #1240721
    bt102bt102
    bt102
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    Definitely good analysis. I will also mention that Nikola Milutinov would probably be role player if he came over now. But yeah, I’m not seeing star center in this draft. I’m seeing a high level starter in Okongwu but not much else in terms of center.

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  • #1240815
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    Hitster
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    Good point, a lot of guys it is hard to judge where they are. Bol Bol has literally played a few NBA minutes so far. Maybe for C the drop off after the top of the draft is steeper so you are just as well waiting for the late first early 2nd round.

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