[jjonzParticipant]

I hope KLove continues to get better but if he was putting up these # and his team was 2-4th seed, he would be getting MVP talk. Can he be the focal point of a winning franchise or is he 2/3rd option. How does his # & game translate to Winning basketball. We all love those guy’s that will rebound the ball for Us (Shooters). But I’m leary of guy’s who put up big # on losing teams, because you have to sacrifice something. Anyway here’s the article.

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2011-03-07/nba-types-question-the-value-of-kevin-loves-double-doubles#ixzz1FwbTZNB4

[Jlv2011]

Period.

[Jlv2011]

Period.

[kngojcParticipant]

 What Dwight Howard is on defense, Love is on offense. Love is like a much less athletic version of Griffin, as in he will get his and he will do what he does, but that doesn’t always translate to wins. As you’ve seen from the Wolves. If he’s on, say, the Lakers he’d probably be averaging about 18 and 13 but even those are good numbers on a team like the Lakers. Look at what happened with Pau, he translated into a great player and pivotal role in winning two championships for the Lakers.

[kngojcParticipant]

 What Dwight Howard is on defense, Love is on offense. Love is like a much less athletic version of Griffin, as in he will get his and he will do what he does, but that doesn’t always translate to wins. As you’ve seen from the Wolves. If he’s on, say, the Lakers he’d probably be averaging about 18 and 13 but even those are good numbers on a team like the Lakers. Look at what happened with Pau, he translated into a great player and pivotal role in winning two championships for the Lakers.

[jjonzParticipant]

??? Is he twice the Man of Moses Malone.

Young GrassHopper: "THERE IS NOT A MAN ALIVE THAT IS  TWICE THE MAN AS ME KNOW WHO R TALKING 2 SON." mY LYRICAL LINE TO THAT IS "I;M NOT = TO OR LESS THAN BUT GREATER THAN ANY MAN MADE MY OWN PLANS NOW WATCH ME EXECUTE." U SEE I’M AN OUTLIER I JUST COME HERE FOR FUN NOT TO BE INSULTED.

Internet tough guy.

[jjonzParticipant]

??? Is he twice the Man of Moses Malone.

Young GrassHopper: "THERE IS NOT A MAN ALIVE THAT IS  TWICE THE MAN AS ME KNOW WHO R TALKING 2 SON." mY LYRICAL LINE TO THAT IS "I;M NOT = TO OR LESS THAN BUT GREATER THAN ANY MAN MADE MY OWN PLANS NOW WATCH ME EXECUTE." U SEE I’M AN OUTLIER I JUST COME HERE FOR FUN NOT TO BE INSULTED.

Internet tough guy.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If Love was on the Lakers, he wouldn’t get minutes with Pau, Bynum, and Odom there. Even if he magically transposed himself in the spot of Andrew Bynum, he isn’t getting 18-13. He would getting the same 11-8 or 13-9 or whatever Andrew Bynum has been getting, and the Lakers would be worse because Love won’t play any defense. Put Andrew Bynum on the Timberwolves, and he’d gobble up every number Love gets. By the way, Jeff Van Gundy mentioned that during yesterday’s game.

Here is the one thing about Love’s double-double streak, there hasn’t been a single winning streak during it. Not a single stretch of three wins, so it is basically just a loser trying to get his. People who have fantasy teams and just read boxscores love Kevin Love and Michael Beasley. People who watch the NBA actually see that they are a part are not exempt from the train wreck that is the Timberwolves.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

If Love was on the Lakers, he wouldn’t get minutes with Pau, Bynum, and Odom there. Even if he magically transposed himself in the spot of Andrew Bynum, he isn’t getting 18-13. He would getting the same 11-8 or 13-9 or whatever Andrew Bynum has been getting, and the Lakers would be worse because Love won’t play any defense. Put Andrew Bynum on the Timberwolves, and he’d gobble up every number Love gets. By the way, Jeff Van Gundy mentioned that during yesterday’s game.

Here is the one thing about Love’s double-double streak, there hasn’t been a single winning streak during it. Not a single stretch of three wins, so it is basically just a loser trying to get his. People who have fantasy teams and just read boxscores love Kevin Love and Michael Beasley. People who watch the NBA actually see that they are a part are not exempt from the train wreck that is the Timberwolves.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 He is a second option but any top point guard would love to have this guy to pass to. He could play Defense but he won’t because the Wolves don’t play D. If they played D I think he’d be better on defense. He does everything his team wants him to. If DWill was playing with him in New Jersey it would be a completely different story. He would still be grabbing the rebounds but he’d also play defense because that is one thing that Coach Avery Johnson stresses. Also DWill would love having someone else to pass the ball to down low. It would remind of when he was in Utah playing with Boozer and Okur.

[SwatLakeCityParticipant]

 He is a second option but any top point guard would love to have this guy to pass to. He could play Defense but he won’t because the Wolves don’t play D. If they played D I think he’d be better on defense. He does everything his team wants him to. If DWill was playing with him in New Jersey it would be a completely different story. He would still be grabbing the rebounds but he’d also play defense because that is one thing that Coach Avery Johnson stresses. Also DWill would love having someone else to pass the ball to down low. It would remind of when he was in Utah playing with Boozer and Okur.

[SteroidParticipant]

Lol, Jeff Van Gundy also said that the Heat would win 72 games, BTPH. He is human and he has opinions like everyone else… Very flawed opinions sometimes. I’m a firm believer that rebounding is a skill that transposes no matter what the situation is. It’s nowhere near the same as a good player taking any shot he wants on a bad team. Barkley has said this about Love, who knows more about rebounding and the PF position than Van Gundy if you wanna talk about other’s opinions. Love probably wouldn’t average 15 rebounds with the Lakers, but I bet he could average 15 points along with 12 rebs with the Lakers. Love’s defense is questionable, but so are a lot of player’s individual defense on good teams. Team defense matters more than individual defense. Love could be a good #2 option and great #3 option on a winning team… No doubt in my mind.

[SteroidParticipant]

Lol, Jeff Van Gundy also said that the Heat would win 72 games, BTPH. He is human and he has opinions like everyone else… Very flawed opinions sometimes. I’m a firm believer that rebounding is a skill that transposes no matter what the situation is. It’s nowhere near the same as a good player taking any shot he wants on a bad team. Barkley has said this about Love, who knows more about rebounding and the PF position than Van Gundy if you wanna talk about other’s opinions. Love probably wouldn’t average 15 rebounds with the Lakers, but I bet he could average 15 points along with 12 rebs with the Lakers. Love’s defense is questionable, but so are a lot of player’s individual defense on good teams. Team defense matters more than individual defense. Love could be a good #2 option and great #3 option on a winning team… No doubt in my mind.

[jjonzParticipant]

a backhand compliment "He goes after every rebound even the end of quarter heaves, free throws missed rebounds", I’m not saying this is not a remarkable skill he has, but to what outcome. I’m actually a fan of KLove i wont go out & buy his jersey but i think he would be a great 2nd/3rd option with a Steve Nash type of Point (Think Rubio K.Irving). And athletic role players (ARandolph/WJohnson)

[jjonzParticipant]

a backhand compliment "He goes after every rebound even the end of quarter heaves, free throws missed rebounds", I’m not saying this is not a remarkable skill he has, but to what outcome. I’m actually a fan of KLove i wont go out & buy his jersey but i think he would be a great 2nd/3rd option with a Steve Nash type of Point (Think Rubio K.Irving). And athletic role players (ARandolph/WJohnson)

[Maysek22Participant]

Some of loves rebounding numbers are padded, in particular his offensive reb. totals.  if he played on a team that could shoot, he wouldnt be putting up over 4 a game.  His defensive rebounding is second to none however.  Its not like the wolves have great perimiter defenders.  Teams shoot what, 48% against them, and he’s still pulling down more def. boards than all but 4 guys total boards.  Prolific rebounder.  Granted thats a big part of the reason his D is so bad, he cheats to the hole to grab boards and give up a ton of open looks.  He should worry less about stats and more about team D IMO 

[Maysek22Participant]

I’m kinda tired of people sayin Love is garbage/worthless/not a winner b/c his team sucks.  There are a lot of great players it took several years to become winners, including but not limited to MJ, paul pierce, KG and more.  In fact, in all those years KG had garbage teams in Minny, no one ever said KG wasnt a winner and talked all this shi# about him like everyone does love. No one said if KG was on a winner he wouldnt get minutes etc… I understand that KG is/was a strong defensive presence and mr. intense but that strong defensive presence got him out of the first round once in what 11 years? No when KG couldnt create a winner in Minny it was all put on Mchale and his inability to surround KG with talent, and everyone understood that given some veteran talent, KG and Minny would go places.  How bout we show KLove a little respect and understand that his stats are legit, he can rebound, pass and shoot better than any PF in the game but he’s playin with a bunch of Y league chumps.  Rant Over.

[Maysek22Participant]

I’m kinda tired of people sayin Love is garbage/worthless/not a winner b/c his team sucks.  There are a lot of great players it took several years to become winners, including but not limited to MJ, paul pierce, KG and more.  In fact, in all those years KG had garbage teams in Minny, no one ever said KG wasnt a winner and talked all this shi# about him like everyone does love. No one said if KG was on a winner he wouldnt get minutes etc… I understand that KG is/was a strong defensive presence and mr. intense but that strong defensive presence got him out of the first round once in what 11 years? No when KG couldnt create a winner in Minny it was all put on Mchale and his inability to surround KG with talent, and everyone understood that given some veteran talent, KG and Minny would go places.  How bout we show KLove a little respect and understand that his stats are legit, he can rebound, pass and shoot better than any PF in the game but he’s playin with a bunch of Y league chumps.  Rant Over.

[Maysek22Participant]

Some of loves rebounding numbers are padded, in particular his offensive reb. totals.  if he played on a team that could shoot, he wouldnt be putting up over 4 a game.  His defensive rebounding is second to none however.  Its not like the wolves have great perimiter defenders.  Teams shoot what, 48% against them, and he’s still pulling down more def. boards than all but 4 guys total boards.  Prolific rebounder.  Granted thats a big part of the reason his D is so bad, he cheats to the hole to grab boards and give up a ton of open looks.  He should worry less about stats and more about team D IMO 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Here’s my thing, I think Love is a good player, but he needs talent around him in Minnesota. I think if Khan hit on some of those draft picks, we would be saying man, Minnesota is up and coming and Kevin Love is the reason for it.

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

Here’s my thing, I think Love is a good player, but he needs talent around him in Minnesota. I think if Khan hit on some of those draft picks, we would be saying man, Minnesota is up and coming and Kevin Love is the reason for it.

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

i agree hes a no 2 option and will be a fantatic addition to the nj nets when he becomes a fa hed make up for the lack of reboudning by lopez and would knock down open jumpers from dwill kick outs be sweet watching the best outlet passer in the game passing outlets to dwill who i now cant stand but still admit hes an elite pg

[mj23mj23besteverParticipant]

i agree hes a no 2 option and will be a fantatic addition to the nj nets when he becomes a fa hed make up for the lack of reboudning by lopez and would knock down open jumpers from dwill kick outs be sweet watching the best outlet passer in the game passing outlets to dwill who i now cant stand but still admit hes an elite pg

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think until Love is on a better team and a winner, it will be hard to say he is anything close to MVP.  He is not that great on defense and his team is not winning.  I am sure his number would still be double doubles but not as high if he has to put more energy into defense and doing the extra things that a good team will have to do to continue to win.  You can play good and not win some games in the NBA because a lot of teams give their best efforts when they play certain teams.  Some wins are effort wins and not really best stats.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think until Love is on a better team and a winner, it will be hard to say he is anything close to MVP.  He is not that great on defense and his team is not winning.  I am sure his number would still be double doubles but not as high if he has to put more energy into defense and doing the extra things that a good team will have to do to continue to win.  You can play good and not win some games in the NBA because a lot of teams give their best efforts when they play certain teams.  Some wins are effort wins and not really best stats.

[jjonzParticipant]

PG Rubio/or KIrving

SG A.Afflo or another Good 3 point SG (Bellinai in NO is doing great)

SF WJohnson Get him back to His Cuse day’s

PF KLove/ARandolph

C Darko

 

you have a nash type of PG( not the most explosive but sees the floor very well) I think this could work for Minny may not be Chip material/ but @least they could make playoff push

 

[jjonzParticipant]

PG Rubio/or KIrving

SG A.Afflo or another Good 3 point SG (Bellinai in NO is doing great)

SF WJohnson Get him back to His Cuse day’s

PF KLove/ARandolph

C Darko

 

you have a nash type of PG( not the most explosive but sees the floor very well) I think this could work for Minny may not be Chip material/ but @least they could make playoff push

 

[omphalosParticipant]

I think the difference between Mike, KG and the others who weren’t on great teams were that at least they were making pushes for the playoffs, instead of having the second worse records in the League. Love is extremely overrated and shouldn’t have been an All-Star over Aldridge or Rudy Gay this season. His stats are padded, and he has no leadership qualities. Not a play I’d want to build around. I want Beasley to take the reins of the team, a coach who will demand D, and Rubio to come in and distribute. Then we’ll see where they get.

[omphalosParticipant]

I think the difference between Mike, KG and the others who weren’t on great teams were that at least they were making pushes for the playoffs, instead of having the second worse records in the League. Love is extremely overrated and shouldn’t have been an All-Star over Aldridge or Rudy Gay this season. His stats are padded, and he has no leadership qualities. Not a play I’d want to build around. I want Beasley to take the reins of the team, a coach who will demand D, and Rubio to come in and distribute. Then we’ll see where they get.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"I’m kinda tired of people sayin Love is garbage/worthless/not a winner b/c his team sucks."

9 former lottery picks. Minnesota had no use for Corey Brewer, I guess a chump as you put it, but a winning team gave him three years right away. Luke Ridnour and Martell Webster weren’t chumps when they were on the Bucks or Blazers. The only confirmed chumps who failed elsewhere are Darko, Beasley, and Randolph.

"There are a lot of great players it took several years to become winners, including but not limited to MJ, paul pierce, KG and more."

Jordan’s Bulls teams never missed the playoffs and he had a rec team around him for the first few years. Kevin Garnett’s Minnesota teams did not decline until ownership decided against keeping Spree in the midst of having five first-round draft picks taken away for McHale conducting an illegal contract with Joe Smith. Paul Pierce’s Celtics team got better each of his first few years, and by year four he was in the conference finals. Kevin Love has lost three out of four games for three straight years, a feat that is not on the resume of any great NBA player in history.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"I’m kinda tired of people sayin Love is garbage/worthless/not a winner b/c his team sucks."

9 former lottery picks. Minnesota had no use for Corey Brewer, I guess a chump as you put it, but a winning team gave him three years right away. Luke Ridnour and Martell Webster weren’t chumps when they were on the Bucks or Blazers. The only confirmed chumps who failed elsewhere are Darko, Beasley, and Randolph.

"There are a lot of great players it took several years to become winners, including but not limited to MJ, paul pierce, KG and more."

Jordan’s Bulls teams never missed the playoffs and he had a rec team around him for the first few years. Kevin Garnett’s Minnesota teams did not decline until ownership decided against keeping Spree in the midst of having five first-round draft picks taken away for McHale conducting an illegal contract with Joe Smith. Paul Pierce’s Celtics team got better each of his first few years, and by year four he was in the conference finals. Kevin Love has lost three out of four games for three straight years, a feat that is not on the resume of any great NBA player in history.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

He is 22, averaging 21 and 16 a game.  Who in NBA history has ever averaged those numbers at the age of 22?  Yes the Wolves are bad, but anyone who has actually watched the Timberwolves this year would know that it’s not because of Kevin Love.  I always ask this question to people who bash Love, how many times have you actually watched the Timberwolves play this year?  I am guessing one, maybe two games.  One thing that people don’t realize is that the Wolves have had a lot of players miss games.  Kevin Love has been the only player consistently on the floor.  Flynn and Webster have not been 100% healthy all year (while I am not sold on Flynn, he has been playing better as of late) and Beasley has had a bum ankle dating back to January.  Love will be better next year, as will Beasley, Johnson, and Randolph.  The Wolves will hopefully either have Irving or Rubio at the point next year and that will help them immensely. 

To anyone who says Love wouldn’t help a team like the Lakers or any championship contender is an idiot and clearly has not watched him play this year.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

He is 22, averaging 21 and 16 a game.  Who in NBA history has ever averaged those numbers at the age of 22?  Yes the Wolves are bad, but anyone who has actually watched the Timberwolves this year would know that it’s not because of Kevin Love.  I always ask this question to people who bash Love, how many times have you actually watched the Timberwolves play this year?  I am guessing one, maybe two games.  One thing that people don’t realize is that the Wolves have had a lot of players miss games.  Kevin Love has been the only player consistently on the floor.  Flynn and Webster have not been 100% healthy all year (while I am not sold on Flynn, he has been playing better as of late) and Beasley has had a bum ankle dating back to January.  Love will be better next year, as will Beasley, Johnson, and Randolph.  The Wolves will hopefully either have Irving or Rubio at the point next year and that will help them immensely. 

To anyone who says Love wouldn’t help a team like the Lakers or any championship contender is an idiot and clearly has not watched him play this year.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

He is 22, averaging 21 and 16 a game.  Who in NBA history has ever averaged those numbers at the age of 22?  Yes the Wolves are bad, but anyone who has actually watched the Timberwolves this year would know that it’s not because of Kevin Love.  I always ask this question to people who bash Love, how many times have you actually watched the Timberwolves play this year?  I am guessing one, maybe two games.  One thing that people don’t realize is that the Wolves have had a lot of players miss games.  Kevin Love has been the only player consistently on the floor.  Flynn and Webster have not been 100% healthy all year (while I am not sold on Flynn, he has been playing better as of late) and Beasley has had a bum ankle dating back to January.  Love will be better next year, as will Beasley, Johnson, and Randolph.  The Wolves will hopefully either have Irving or Rubio at the point next year and that will help them immensely. 

To anyone who says Love wouldn’t help a team like the Lakers or any championship contender is an idiot and clearly has not watched him play this year.

[BlueLacesParticipant]

He is 22, averaging 21 and 16 a game.  Who in NBA history has ever averaged those numbers at the age of 22?  Yes the Wolves are bad, but anyone who has actually watched the Timberwolves this year would know that it’s not because of Kevin Love.  I always ask this question to people who bash Love, how many times have you actually watched the Timberwolves play this year?  I am guessing one, maybe two games.  One thing that people don’t realize is that the Wolves have had a lot of players miss games.  Kevin Love has been the only player consistently on the floor.  Flynn and Webster have not been 100% healthy all year (while I am not sold on Flynn, he has been playing better as of late) and Beasley has had a bum ankle dating back to January.  Love will be better next year, as will Beasley, Johnson, and Randolph.  The Wolves will hopefully either have Irving or Rubio at the point next year and that will help them immensely. 

To anyone who says Love wouldn’t help a team like the Lakers or any championship contender is an idiot and clearly has not watched him play this year.

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

BTPH once again shows how much he hates basketball with another comment FULL OF HATERISM(as usual).

Love plays ball the way the game ought to be played.

BTPH hates Love.

Ipso Facto, BTPH hates basketball.

[Raef LaFrentzParticipant]

BTPH once again shows how much he hates basketball with another comment FULL OF HATERISM(as usual).

Love plays ball the way the game ought to be played.

BTPH hates Love.

Ipso Facto, BTPH hates basketball.

[4th dimension]

Kevin Love is putting up +20PPG, with a weak PG play. Just imagine what he can do if he had a good PG to play with, for a guy that’s putting up great numbers this year, I still think he can put up better scoring numbers.

[4th dimension]

Kevin Love is putting up +20PPG, with a weak PG play. Just imagine what he can do if he had a good PG to play with, for a guy that’s putting up great numbers this year, I still think he can put up better scoring numbers.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH once again shows how much he hates basketball with another comment FULL OF HATERISM(as usual).

Love plays ball the way the game ought to be played.

BTPH hates Love.

Ipso Facto, BTPH hates basketball."

Darkooooo, it is so shocking that you would want your basketball thoughts void of reason. I’m sure you’d prefer nothing but every team is successfully building towards a title and that the only team that ever wins without guarding an opponent is a fantasy team. It is such haterism to point out that despite all the statistics Love has put up that Minnesota is not at all better at basketball. It is also haterism to point out that has not been the case for any great NBA player. It is also haterism to point out that defense matters in the NBA, but thanks for sharing.

[BothTeamsPlayedHardParticipant]

"BTPH once again shows how much he hates basketball with another comment FULL OF HATERISM(as usual).

Love plays ball the way the game ought to be played.

BTPH hates Love.

Ipso Facto, BTPH hates basketball."

Darkooooo, it is so shocking that you would want your basketball thoughts void of reason. I’m sure you’d prefer nothing but every team is successfully building towards a title and that the only team that ever wins without guarding an opponent is a fantasy team. It is such haterism to point out that despite all the statistics Love has put up that Minnesota is not at all better at basketball. It is also haterism to point out that has not been the case for any great NBA player. It is also haterism to point out that defense matters in the NBA, but thanks for sharing.

[omphalosParticipant]

I’m with BTPH here, at the start of the season I was impressed with Love’s production and Beasley’s too for that matter, but Love being an All-Star left a sour taste in my mouth when you consider just how bad the team has done this season. I think the Love hype has gotten out of hand and while he could certainly produce on a better team also, he’s not an All-Star or franchise talent until he starts winning, plays D and develops some sort of leadership skills. Love is too into his stats in my opinion; the whole reason stats matter is because they are usually correlated with winning, but Love’s statistical achievements for the whole season don’t really mean anything compared to say Moses Malone because they were in effect wasted barring 15 lousy games he managed to win.

[omphalosParticipant]

I’m with BTPH here, at the start of the season I was impressed with Love’s production and Beasley’s too for that matter, but Love being an All-Star left a sour taste in my mouth when you consider just how bad the team has done this season. I think the Love hype has gotten out of hand and while he could certainly produce on a better team also, he’s not an All-Star or franchise talent until he starts winning, plays D and develops some sort of leadership skills. Love is too into his stats in my opinion; the whole reason stats matter is because they are usually correlated with winning, but Love’s statistical achievements for the whole season don’t really mean anything compared to say Moses Malone because they were in effect wasted barring 15 lousy games he managed to win.

[omphalosParticipant]

Oh, and MVP chants coming from T’Wolves fans? I couldn’t even believe the nerve.

[omphalosParticipant]

Oh, and MVP chants coming from T’Wolves fans? I couldn’t even believe the nerve.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I am just curious where were these numbers on the olympic team that won it all.  I think Love is a solid player and a very skilled player but the thing is he is over rated until we can see him put these numbers on a good team.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I am just curious where were these numbers on the olympic team that won it all.  I think Love is a solid player and a very skilled player but the thing is he is over rated until we can see him put these numbers on a good team.

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