[valentine]

 Draymond Green is arguably a top 10 player. He’s the ultimate swiss army knife. He can guard any postion and besides Leonard probably not a better defensive player. On the other side he does it all, great playmaker, solid shooter (maybe inhance playing for GS where he gets some easy looks) great rebounder. In college I remember him being a good player but I never remember him being so well rounded and never being this good, although I think he’s sorta the ultimate #2-3 guy and is actually improved by not being the top guy like he was in college.  While he’s not completley different as he was from the college player back in Michigan St, if you told me he was going to be this kinda player I would’ve said that makes no damn sense

Guess it goes to show players can evolve, so while we may peg a prospect unable to do this or lable him as this, he can very well transform himself into something he never was. Truly impossible to guess who could do that. But who’s your 2nd rd sleeper this year? Mine is Demetrius Jackson, there were times 2 years ago with Grant and Pat on the team, I thought he was the best player.

[high floorParticipant]

I never thought his versatility would translate this strongly to the pro-level. I saw him play in college, and at first I thought he looked similar other undersized stretch 4 prospects that fizzled out against bigger, more athletic competition. I’m not saying his career would parallel Renaldo Balkman.. but damn.. I agree he is a top 10 player due to his 2-way effectiveness. He literally checks all the boxes for a modern NBA front court player:

• Rim Protection — Check
• Court Vision — Check
• 3pt (Stretch 4,5) Threat — Check
• Tenacity — Check
• Offensive Rebounding — Check
• Basketball IQ

I don’t think we’ll see another player like him (that’s so unique on offense) and a DPOY candidate for quite some time.

[high floorParticipant]

I never thought his versatility would translate this strongly to the pro-level. I saw him play in college, and at first I thought he looked similar other undersized stretch 4 prospects that fizzled out against bigger, more athletic competition. I’m not saying his career would parallel Renaldo Balkman.. but damn.. I agree he is a top 10 player due to his 2-way effectiveness. He literally checks all the boxes for a modern NBA front court player:

• Rim Protection — Check
• Court Vision — Check
• 3pt (Stretch 4,5) Threat — Check
• Tenacity — Check
• Offensive Rebounding — Check
• Basketball IQ

I don’t think we’ll see another player like him (that’s so unique on offense) and a DPOY candidate for quite some time.

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 The GSW system fits him perfectly. He would be a role player on any other team that doesn’t have this level of talent. This is no slight to him because I do think that he is a very good player now and love the way that he plays, but he is a product of the GSW system. There are players that are better than him that would not be able to do what he does for GSW so don’t think that im hating on him or anything like that.

And dont think that the scouting report was off on him coming out of college, because its crazy how spot on it was (Draft Express – Jonathan Wasserman). The thing that he was way off about is his comparisons. He was compared to Jared Dudley/ Luke Harangody

  

[DukeDaSquadParticipant]

 The GSW system fits him perfectly. He would be a role player on any other team that doesn’t have this level of talent. This is no slight to him because I do think that he is a very good player now and love the way that he plays, but he is a product of the GSW system. There are players that are better than him that would not be able to do what he does for GSW so don’t think that im hating on him or anything like that.

And dont think that the scouting report was off on him coming out of college, because its crazy how spot on it was (Draft Express – Jonathan Wasserman). The thing that he was way off about is his comparisons. He was compared to Jared Dudley/ Luke Harangody

  

[thecity2Participant]

 Draymond IS the system, dude. He would be a star on any team in the league playing like this.

[thecity2Participant]

 Draymond IS the system, dude. He would be a star on any team in the league playing like this.

[Arc12345Participant]

He’s undoubtedly a top 10 player. I don’t care if the entire league is healthy and at full strength, I’ll take draymond in the top 10. He plays exceptional defense and brings something few can bring nowadays…toughness.

Who could be that steal in this draft? Hard to say. I really like Robert Carter. Played against him in high school and couldn’t believe he was so polished then. Just doesn’t have the motor though.

I think in order to get a steal, you MUST choose the guy with a great work ethic and is trending UP. Draymond went from 3rd team all big ten 2 years in a row to big ten player of the year his senior year. Brice Johnson sort of fits that mold, although I’m not a fan. Jaron Blosomgame has also come a long way. I like Cat Barber a lot, wouldn’t be surprised to see him become a stud. And I have always been high on Felder. I really think he’s going to be a good player.

[Arc12345Participant]

He’s undoubtedly a top 10 player. I don’t care if the entire league is healthy and at full strength, I’ll take draymond in the top 10. He plays exceptional defense and brings something few can bring nowadays…toughness.

Who could be that steal in this draft? Hard to say. I really like Robert Carter. Played against him in high school and couldn’t believe he was so polished then. Just doesn’t have the motor though.

I think in order to get a steal, you MUST choose the guy with a great work ethic and is trending UP. Draymond went from 3rd team all big ten 2 years in a row to big ten player of the year his senior year. Brice Johnson sort of fits that mold, although I’m not a fan. Jaron Blosomgame has also come a long way. I like Cat Barber a lot, wouldn’t be surprised to see him become a stud. And I have always been high on Felder. I really think he’s going to be a good player.

[mamadouParticipant]

Impossible.

He was an undersized 4 with SF size, pure tweener, too small to play the 4, to slow to play the 3, like a jared dudley deluxe.

He worked on his body like crazy, it’s like he gained 5 inches vert’ since his colllege days, foot speed is night and day, probably the same weight but certainly not 11+ % body fat.

He had his own skill set of point forward(best shooters in the history can’t hurt him), he improved every aspects of his game, ball handling, shooting, his great wingspan for his size finished the deal on D.

He was a 20% 3 pts shooter, playing mostly the 3 in his rookie season, a 23 YO rookie averaging 3 pts with terrible shooting, most foul prone player in the league at the time….

Now  he’s a 40% 3 pts shooter PF-C, 2 way player, all star, all nba, all annoying 1st team.

Damn.

All time MIP list.

 

On Jackson, i loved him with Grant, he was the perfect match, off guard 3 and D, tough with Grant playing lead guard like harden, Jackson would be an upgrade over Beverley in houston.

I expected a little more from him as "the man" tho, still like his skill set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mamadouParticipant]

Impossible.

He was an undersized 4 with SF size, pure tweener, too small to play the 4, to slow to play the 3, like a jared dudley deluxe.

He worked on his body like crazy, it’s like he gained 5 inches vert’ since his colllege days, foot speed is night and day, probably the same weight but certainly not 11+ % body fat.

He had his own skill set of point forward(best shooters in the history can’t hurt him), he improved every aspects of his game, ball handling, shooting, his great wingspan for his size finished the deal on D.

He was a 20% 3 pts shooter, playing mostly the 3 in his rookie season, a 23 YO rookie averaging 3 pts with terrible shooting, most foul prone player in the league at the time….

Now  he’s a 40% 3 pts shooter PF-C, 2 way player, all star, all nba, all annoying 1st team.

Damn.

All time MIP list.

 

On Jackson, i loved him with Grant, he was the perfect match, off guard 3 and D, tough with Grant playing lead guard like harden, Jackson would be an upgrade over Beverley in houston.

I expected a little more from him as "the man" tho, still like his skill set.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

 Also his biggest attribute is the ability to intimidate the other team, last game was the first time ever even Steven Adams looked scared…

[kobyzParticipant]

 Also his biggest attribute is the ability to intimidate the other team, last game was the first time ever even Steven Adams looked scared…

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I definitely thought 10pts, 5rebs,4assists was possible but, he is doing great. I’m still surprised he didn’t go in the 1st, guess I saw something I always knew was there, a lot of other people are just figuring it out.

1st dude would be good out of the warriors system, he is the ultimate role player meaning no matter where you put him he will find a way to produce.

Also at Michigan state he was always fast enough to guard 3s and string enough to guard 4s, so I don’t what that other guy is talking about.  Also rookies usually  shoot a low % so i considering he was a sold3pt shooter at state I knew he would improve.

It’s funny it’s like unless someone us highly touted out of high school most people don’t even know a lot of guys coming out ofcollege’s skill sets.

 

 

 

[Stop_basketball_nonsenseParticipant]

 I definitely thought 10pts, 5rebs,4assists was possible but, he is doing great. I’m still surprised he didn’t go in the 1st, guess I saw something I always knew was there, a lot of other people are just figuring it out.

1st dude would be good out of the warriors system, he is the ultimate role player meaning no matter where you put him he will find a way to produce.

Also at Michigan state he was always fast enough to guard 3s and string enough to guard 4s, so I don’t what that other guy is talking about.  Also rookies usually  shoot a low % so i considering he was a sold3pt shooter at state I knew he would improve.

It’s funny it’s like unless someone us highly touted out of high school most people don’t even know a lot of guys coming out ofcollege’s skill sets.

 

 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

I knew he’d be in the league for a long-time, no idea he would be a star. The biggest thing that surprises me is the impact he had on defense. He was a stifling defender in college but I still assumed that his size would prohibit him from defended 4s and 5s. Boy was I wrong. His strength and ability to deny entry passes make him an elite defender. 

Surely Dwight Howard, Zach Randolph and the other NBA brutes could back him down in an ISO play. But no one plays that type of ball any more because it mucks up offensive systems and can be exploited once a defense collapses. 

 

[DolanCareParticipant]

I knew he’d be in the league for a long-time, no idea he would be a star. The biggest thing that surprises me is the impact he had on defense. He was a stifling defender in college but I still assumed that his size would prohibit him from defended 4s and 5s. Boy was I wrong. His strength and ability to deny entry passes make him an elite defender. 

Surely Dwight Howard, Zach Randolph and the other NBA brutes could back him down in an ISO play. But no one plays that type of ball any more because it mucks up offensive systems and can be exploited once a defense collapses. 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I absolutely did since watching him closely at MSU. He had one of the most entertaining college years before entering the draft and showed a lot of NBA skills at high levels. Alot of the things he is doing now he did at Michigan State. Most supposed glue guys are good at a few things. Green showed he was great at a bunch of things. I’m sure you can dig up those posts but I’m on record saying he would have been drafted mid first and he was a no doubt sure thing.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 I absolutely did since watching him closely at MSU. He had one of the most entertaining college years before entering the draft and showed a lot of NBA skills at high levels. Alot of the things he is doing now he did at Michigan State. Most supposed glue guys are good at a few things. Green showed he was great at a bunch of things. I’m sure you can dig up those posts but I’m on record saying he would have been drafted mid first and he was a no doubt sure thing.

[kobyzParticipant]

He was project as a bad athlete but he is above average!

[thecity2Participant]

 He was out of shape in college and even through his rookie season. When he decided to do something about, that’s when the real athlete came out of him.

There are guys like that in every draft. In this draft I look at a guy like Robert Carter, and think if that guy can get in shape, he’s a steal. Not saying he’s anything like Draymond, just that he is potentially very undervalued because of his weight.

Jokic just last season was another guy who had weight issues. He lost something like 30 pounds the summer before this season, and it unlocked the beast inside that we clearly saw.

Look for the skilled fat dudes. lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

[thecity2Participant]

 He was out of shape in college and even through his rookie season. When he decided to do something about, that’s when the real athlete came out of him.

There are guys like that in every draft. In this draft I look at a guy like Robert Carter, and think if that guy can get in shape, he’s a steal. Not saying he’s anything like Draymond, just that he is potentially very undervalued because of his weight.

Jokic just last season was another guy who had weight issues. He lost something like 30 pounds the summer before this season, and it unlocked the beast inside that we clearly saw.

Look for the skilled fat dudes. lol

 

 

 

 

 

 

[kobyzParticipant]

He was project as a bad athlete but he is above average!

[TyroberParticipant]

 I thought he had potential but I do not think anyone thought he would be this good. I am sure he has surpassed even the ceiling many thought he could reach at full potential. Hes just an absolute beast and is definitely a top 10 player

[TyroberParticipant]

 I thought he had potential but I do not think anyone thought he would be this good. I am sure he has surpassed even the ceiling many thought he could reach at full potential. Hes just an absolute beast and is definitely a top 10 player

[thecity2Participant]

 Warriors fan here. Didn’t know it at the time of the draft, but the first time I saw him play live was in his rookie season against the TWolves. It was one of the early games in November of that year. In that game he was already the Warriors’ best defender, and handled Kevin Love. That’s the moment I knew this kid was going to be special. Been a huge Draymond fan ever since.

[thecity2Participant]

 Warriors fan here. Didn’t know it at the time of the draft, but the first time I saw him play live was in his rookie season against the TWolves. It was one of the early games in November of that year. In that game he was already the Warriors’ best defender, and handled Kevin Love. That’s the moment I knew this kid was going to be special. Been a huge Draymond fan ever since.

[McDunkin]

Nope and if you’re not Draymond or his momma then I doubt it

[McDunkin]

Nope and if you’re not Draymond or his momma then I doubt it

[NJHooper95Participant]

 He landed in the perfect situation with a great system. And he worked hard to get into shape. I think he has done a great job,but I with Dukesquad, you put Draymond on the Nets and we probably not talking about him.

[NJHooper95Participant]

 He landed in the perfect situation with a great system. And he worked hard to get into shape. I think he has done a great job,but I with Dukesquad, you put Draymond on the Nets and we probably not talking about him.

[halfdecayedParticipant]

 let’s face it, he is getting a little overrated by the media loll not too long ago I saw an article from like Jemele Hill or whatever claiming he was now the best overall basketball player in the world.. This is laughable to me, this title belongs to James, and him only. Let’s switch James and Green and see how their new respective teams do.. He’s a product of a system, and he’s great at it. The guy literally screams and 1 every god damn time he makes a layup.. I remember one time he got scored on and actually screamed and 1, no joke lol that was funny as hell

[halfdecayedParticipant]

 let’s face it, he is getting a little overrated by the media loll not too long ago I saw an article from like Jemele Hill or whatever claiming he was now the best overall basketball player in the world.. This is laughable to me, this title belongs to James, and him only. Let’s switch James and Green and see how their new respective teams do.. He’s a product of a system, and he’s great at it. The guy literally screams and 1 every god damn time he makes a layup.. I remember one time he got scored on and actually screamed and 1, no joke lol that was funny as hell

[nill650Participant]

 I think I had him labelled TWEENER in the old typical negative sense… but now thanks to him and mostly only him and his success at GSW GM’s are considering a lot of undersized bigs with good passing and shooting ability to have a shot on teams that are built to play small. The one thing he did in college if I remember correctly that has’nt changed is his nose for the ball,the ability to make the smart play, and never ever back down to a challenge. These qualities are what separate otherwise less than proto sized bigs that make it in the league and those that don’t. It is what separates any player really…thomas in boston has always had something to prove.

at the end of the day if the superstars of the league played as hard as green does (and has to) he would not be considered a top 10 player,but since most don’t (at least not all of the time) then yeah he is "worthy" of being in the conversation of being one of the top 10 mvp to his respective team,but in the league saying he is a top 10 player accross the board based on results that a team gets based on an individuals performances is not the same thing as the results a player gets on a bad team or how much of impact a player could have in any system.

[nill650Participant]

 I think I had him labelled TWEENER in the old typical negative sense… but now thanks to him and mostly only him and his success at GSW GM’s are considering a lot of undersized bigs with good passing and shooting ability to have a shot on teams that are built to play small. The one thing he did in college if I remember correctly that has’nt changed is his nose for the ball,the ability to make the smart play, and never ever back down to a challenge. These qualities are what separate otherwise less than proto sized bigs that make it in the league and those that don’t. It is what separates any player really…thomas in boston has always had something to prove.

at the end of the day if the superstars of the league played as hard as green does (and has to) he would not be considered a top 10 player,but since most don’t (at least not all of the time) then yeah he is "worthy" of being in the conversation of being one of the top 10 mvp to his respective team,but in the league saying he is a top 10 player accross the board based on results that a team gets based on an individuals performances is not the same thing as the results a player gets on a bad team or how much of impact a player could have in any system.

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 all i know is,  people still acting like draymond wouldn’t be a great player on any team is ridiculous to me. fuck the system shit. he’s golden state’s most important player. they couldnt be what they are without him

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 all i know is,  people still acting like draymond wouldn’t be a great player on any team is ridiculous to me. fuck the system shit. he’s golden state’s most important player. they couldnt be what they are without him

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Exactly, the same people who say he was never going to make it are now saying he wouldn’t be a factor if not with GSW or he is overrated. He’s a great player, one of the leagues best and there’s no doubt about it.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Exactly, the same people who say he was never going to make it are now saying he wouldn’t be a factor if not with GSW or he is overrated. He’s a great player, one of the leagues best and there’s no doubt about it.

[nill650Participant]

 it’s rediculous to you, but you have no basis for an argument because he is on a great team…just put him on a disfunctional team and see what he does…yes he would improve that team, yes his skillset and fire would get him plenty of attention , but there is no way he would be considered any more valuable than one of the morris twins,and so there is little doubt in my mind that he would be about as unimpressive…as most tweeners in a different system. He should never get the label of top 10 player because the fact is without the clutch shooters defensive size and versatility and athleticism that is surrounding him,I have rarely heard more cockiness from a player that was a successful product of his teams collective unselfishness more so than this guy. take him off that roster and they are still a contender. case closed.

[nill650Participant]

 it’s rediculous to you, but you have no basis for an argument because he is on a great team…just put him on a disfunctional team and see what he does…yes he would improve that team, yes his skillset and fire would get him plenty of attention , but there is no way he would be considered any more valuable than one of the morris twins,and so there is little doubt in my mind that he would be about as unimpressive…as most tweeners in a different system. He should never get the label of top 10 player because the fact is without the clutch shooters defensive size and versatility and athleticism that is surrounding him,I have rarely heard more cockiness from a player that was a successful product of his teams collective unselfishness more so than this guy. take him off that roster and they are still a contender. case closed.

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 holy shit the fact that anyone agrees with you. wow

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 holy shit the fact that anyone agrees with you. wow

[nill650Participant]

 Yeah I know considering the credit I gave to the GSW team that are currently getting their ass handed too them,and Green is doing nothing resembling the play of Westbrook and Durant 2 of the 10 best players

[nill650Participant]

 Yeah I know considering the credit I gave to the GSW team that are currently getting their ass handed too them,and Green is doing nothing resembling the play of Westbrook and Durant 2 of the 10 best players

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 you realize you’re making my point right? draymond plays terribly, the warriors get blown out. are we gonna forget how good draymond was all year though? stop with this reactionary bull. 

[nill650Participant]

 actually I am making my point that when the rest of the GSW team gets outplayed and misses shots green has no game . your point is understandable,because we have not seen him in another system,but not reasonable to dismiss all rational objection.Last noght was the perfect time for him to prove me wrong,instead he proved me right.

It was the entire team that was playing poorly,except Barnes in the 4th when it was over.

Despite Greens solid contribution and exceeding expectations coming into the league, he is not by any means a top 10 player, maybe top 25 that much I will give him,because he does what he does well consistantly,but now he is showing the side no GSW fan wants to accept; his uncanny need to he talk trash and back it up with dirty play instead of top 10 player performances…,gotta love this guy,when the winning stops losers get desperate.

For your sake I hope you realize you are wasting your time arguing this with me in that I will never change my opinion of draymond green not being a top 10 player until i see him take over a game when the rest of the team is failing…and last night was the perfect opportunity to proove me wrong,and once again ,he proved me right. The other scenario is seeing him take over and make the Philly or Laker roster look like Curry,Klay,Iggy,Bogut,Barnes etc.

I digress…He is overated.

[nill650Participant]

 actually I am making my point that when the rest of the GSW team gets outplayed and misses shots green has no game . your point is understandable,because we have not seen him in another system,but not reasonable to dismiss all rational objection.Last noght was the perfect time for him to prove me wrong,instead he proved me right.

It was the entire team that was playing poorly,except Barnes in the 4th when it was over.

Despite Greens solid contribution and exceeding expectations coming into the league, he is not by any means a top 10 player, maybe top 25 that much I will give him,because he does what he does well consistantly,but now he is showing the side no GSW fan wants to accept; his uncanny need to he talk trash and back it up with dirty play instead of top 10 player performances…,gotta love this guy,when the winning stops losers get desperate.

For your sake I hope you realize you are wasting your time arguing this with me in that I will never change my opinion of draymond green not being a top 10 player until i see him take over a game when the rest of the team is failing…and last night was the perfect opportunity to proove me wrong,and once again ,he proved me right. The other scenario is seeing him take over and make the Philly or Laker roster look like Curry,Klay,Iggy,Bogut,Barnes etc.

I digress…He is overated.

[chrispaulwallParticipant]

 you realize you’re making my point right? draymond plays terribly, the warriors get blown out. are we gonna forget how good draymond was all year though? stop with this reactionary bull. 

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