[sheltwon3Participant]

I am making this because DHamp wants to see me and anybody that think they can match up so yall bring it to DHamp. I know I will.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Im in

[White ChocolateParticipant]

Im in

[JNixonParticipant]

In there

[CameronCrazieParticipant]

I’m in

[sheltwon3Participant]

Where is Dhamp?

[NarcParticipant]

I lurk on this site all the time…and I watch you guys bicker back and forth. This should be entertaining…and as a Knick fan, I am rooting for you sir, isn’t D hamp a Nuggets fan? (at least that’s what I think I read)

[BasketballGuru24Participant]

Im In….No Doubt

[sheltwon3Participant]

I remember him saying that and also this is all in fun for me, DHAMP knows i will still be cool with him as far as these posts go.

[NarcParticipant]

Count me in too….I never get to debate b-ball anywhere else.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Dhamp is online but he has not stopped by which is shocking?

[D HampParticipant]

What in the world. I log back on the site and here’s a post about me. I must really be the most popular on this site.

OK, I challenge EVERYONE!!!! No one knows more than me. Bring it on. I’m not running from anything related to basketball. Let’s go. I’m ready.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown

[R-Dot-13Participant]

im in

[sheltwon3Participant]

Dhamp you get a point for being here okay homie you can start the subject. We will all come in and put out our info. It is all about you now.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Dhamp are you deleting my points man. You keep doing that and you will get off my give point for anything group.

[MagikKnickParticipant]

LOL, This will be interesting

[sheltwon3Participant]

Where did he go, I am not gonna wait all day for him.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

If you really think you are more knowledgable than anyone else is about basketball then you are crazy. I dont mind your crazy topics and you are borderline entertaining but I could school you in basketball knowledge. I’m not the only one either. You talk alot about Hubie Brown but you didnt even know how to spell his name properly until you were corrected. And wheres Devendorf?

[aarondsonixfanParticipant]

im in.. the mo fo is friggin scared. He knows he can’t beat all of us…

[llperez]

If Penny and Hill were never injured, who would have been better?

If Lebron retired tommorow, would he pass Bird as the all-time best sf?

How would Magic Johnson’s game translate to todays league? Would he be able to hang with Paul, DWIll etc..?

[D HampParticipant]

Okay….Nbadraft.net against Dhamp.

Question number one: Is Steve Nash the most overrated player over the last five years (maybe ever).
Answer: Yes.

His best year in the past 5 years is 18.6 points and 11.6 ast. Not bad for one season. But, his stats were inflated and for every point or assist Nash scored, he gave up just as many on the defensive end. He won those awards based off of regular season suscess, though everyone under the sun (expect in Phoenix) knew they couldn’t win when it counted…. in the playoffs. They were never going to win a title, but based on excitement and inflated stats due to that run-and-gun system, Nash received alot of undue recognition.

There’s no way he deserves two MVPs and Kobe Bryant, who has been in the league for 12 years, has one. Everyone knows how good Kobe is but the media and others don’t like Kobe as much. At one point, Kobe was scoring 35 ppg and critics said he was selfish. But this year and last year, when he shot and scored less, all of a sudden he game was declining. Don’t forget, Kobe is only 30. Jordan (he took two years off) played at a good level (20ppg) until he was 40.

To me, Steve Nash didn’t deserve any MVP and shouldn’t go to the hall-of-fame.

This should spark much Debate.

Dhamp..the new Hubie Brown.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

No he is not. Your forget, He sat behind J-Kidd, who never played D. If your gonna say Nash is overrated, Kidd must have been overrated because he didn’t play D well nor has a jumper early in his career

Nash won those MVP because he led the Suns in both years to good records.

Kobe was not a #1 option until 2005…. Shaq was always the 1st option in LA until he left

[aarondsonixfanParticipant]

I believe he is one of the best distributors in the game. People don’t think of him as an All Star now like they did back in his MVP days, which he definately deserved. He led the league in assists and made the Phoenix Suns the funnest team to watch. When Nash had the ball in his hands, you knew something good was going to happen. He also has a pure jump shot and is one of the best if not the best free throw shooter in the league. The thing that he does lack is defense, but on the offensive end, they guy was almost unstoppable. His MVP days are done now but back then he wasn’t overrated.

[D HampParticipant]

So Steve Nash deserves two MVPs and Kobe only has one? You’re truly crazy…..And Nash is not even half the player Bryant is.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Uhh..There is only one MVP given out each year.

To win a MVP, people have to believe (majority) your the best player.

Steve Nash led the Suns to a huge improvement in his 1st season and he held the Suns up while Stoudemire was hurt. Sounds like a MVP to me.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Steve Nash did not deserve two MVPs, I think he helped propel a talented team that would have won it if not for Healthy concerns or injuries. The year Miami won and the year San Antonio recently one should have been to Phoenix. A Healthy Phoenix would have beaten Dallas and beaten Miami easy. Miami had no answer for Phoenix style. Also those suspension were bs. Phoenix almost beat San Antonio with all of their bigs gone and then they had to do to San Antonio where the official allowed them to beat up on Amare and other players to slow down their run and gun. Steve Nash is not overrated because their are few point guards that can run a team full of talented guys as well as he can. I have watched him play. He controls his team offensively very well and he can shoot. Defensively he sucks but hey that is why team play team defense and try to cover up some player weakness that they need on the floor. The media hype Nash up because he was white and playing on one of the top team in the league at that time and they also played a exciting brand of ball. Chris Paul has put up better numbers than Nash and actually carried a worst team to the playoffs but he was going against Kobe and Lebron and they finally got what they deserved. MVP is a joke but saying Nash is overrated because he won like he controlled that. He is still one of the top point guards yet his age is up there and he still sucks on D. Name me ten point guards you would want to run your team over him and this is not a long term thing. If you had to pick a year to choose a point guard to run your team could you pick 5 players worthy of that over Nash. Also some of yall who want to pick Rose, Rose is still lacking as a playmaker right now even with his potential.

[llperez]

He is overrated. He was a borderline all-star while in Dallas. Suddenly he goes to a system that could care less about defense and surrounds him with scoreres like Joe Johnson, Amare Stoudemire, etc., and he excels. What really makes the MVP over Kobe when Kobe dropped 35.5 a game and was first team defense while leading a starting cast of Walton, Smush and Kwame to the 7th seed and one game away from beating Nash’s Suns, is that Kobe actually finished 4th that year.

I will say that Nash is a great player and while I don’t think he should have won either of those 2 mvp’s, I do think he should hae won the year they gave it to Dirk. But no way was the voters gona give Nash 3 in a row.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Ok, Nash is not the most overrated player of the last 5 years.
Averaging 19 ppg and 12 apg is a great season, no matter what anyone says.
Not only are those great stats, The Suns had great seasons both years,
Not only that, He made Amare Stoudamire a better player, he averaged 26 ppg in nash’s first mvp season.
Great numbers i’d say. Not that he wasnt a great player before, but nash’s arrival made his stats much better.
Anybody who wins 2 mvps, let alone 2 mvp awards in a row, deserves to be in the hall of fame, no matter what anyone says.
You can go ahead and say that the year Kobe averaged 35 ppg, he deserved the mvp award, but not only did Nash have a great season, he overall made his team better .

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Who would you have given it to? Nash took a team who was terrible the year before. Kobe was on a team on a losing record. Shaq could have on the MVP but the Suns exploded and noone saw it coming.

[NarcParticipant]

I kind of agree with D-Hamp in a sense. Agreeing that Nash doesn’t deserve two MVP awards. I wouldn’t say Nash is overrated as he is a complete offensive PG. He distributes the ball, can shoot the 3, and can take the big shot when needed, but he gives you nothing on the defensive side of the ball. Never has, never will. And I don’t think that he should have won the MVP twice…let alone once. I think that the first season he won it, Allen Iverson should have walked away with that award. The second season, LeBron James was doing it all in Cleavland. The only reason Nash got his first MVP is because he helped turn around the then flailing Phoenix Suns into a playoff threat.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Nash made the Suns a better team, he deserved the award definetly .
You could make a case for the second one.

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

I can’t believe y’all are actually flattering this dude by everyone going up against him. Y’all basically are saying he’s the greatest just by even agreeing to go up against him. Y’all are acting lame. This dude D. Hamp is sitting at his computer grinning. Y’all made his day!

[NarcParticipant]

…define what the MVP means. Every year the award is given out for a different reason. In Nash’s case, it was because he helped turn Phoenix around, in Kobe’s case it was because he was the best player on the best team. In LeBron’s case it was because he has the best stats.

[D HampParticipant]

Sheltwon, it seems as though we agree for the most part. The media (ESPN) plays a big role because they can sway public opinion. I admit, Nash is good, but like you and IIperez22 said, he shouldn’t have won those two MVPs. Sheltwon I also started to bring up CP3 have better numbers, but I didn’t want to bog down my question. I can’t beleive Kobe has 1 MVP and for years people have been saying he is the better player. I understand being the best player doesn’t always equate to the MVP, but really Steve Nash? They shouldn’t be mentioned in the same sentence.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

i believe were on the same page here knicks boy

[R-Dot-13Participant]

i believe were on the same page here knicks boy

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Nash did deserve the 1st MVP because who expected the Suns to go from 29 wins to 62 wins? Nash made everyone better.

Nash won the 2nd MVP because he pretty much held a team together without Amare Stoudemire. The Suns had to play Diaw at C for some games. Nash still led the team to 54 wins. Oh and Excuse me…they lost Joe Johnson as well.

I agree. Kobe is the better player and should have another MVP (This season). But Nash earned those MVP’s

[llperez]

I expect people to drill me for this. But I actually thought Iverson should have won it that year. Iverson had his finest season as a pro. HIs numbers were 31 pts, 8 assists, 4 rebounds and he led a pretty bad roster to the playoffs. He should have won over Nash’s 15 points and 12 assists while playing on a loded team that pushed the ball.

Just to point out, I’m not an AI fan nor do I thnk he was top 5 in any of the years since. But that year, people slept on him hard.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I believed he deserved one but also considering the competition he was facing both were kinda debateable but he should have gotten at least one because at that time team success also should be equated but he did not deserve a second one. Kobe should at least have 2 MVP’s. Lebron has one now and not it is time for CP3 to get his. Howard needs some more post moves to get his.

[knicksfreakParticipant]

I agree that Steve Nash is overrated but he was universally agreed upon as MVP at the time. MVP doesnt necessarily define the best player in the league or the most talented. It is the “Most Valuable Player” award. Nash was the most valuable player for his own team in each of the 2 seasons. He made a huge impact on Phoenix. What made him MVP was the fact that Phoenix would have been much worse without him.

[the_truth34Participant]

really he shouldn’t of won both mvp’s you dont know if nash can play defense because with the suns they dont want you to play defense so why would it matter that he suck at defense the suns scoring is there motto if it was like detroit when defense was key and he was letting point guards score 20 point a game then you can say he doesnt deserve it

[sheltwon3Participant]

Mike D earn a coach of the year award for the Diaw thing but Nash did not deserve his second MVP. Even Nash knows this. Nash was like visibly shocked when he got number two. Basketball player know what time it is. The first one had a good case but the second one no and then he had better numbers and they gave it to Dirk the 3rd year because they knew they had messed up.

[sheltwon3Participant]

Mike D’s style will give the Knicks a championship and Mike D will be well love in New York.

[the_truth34Participant]

matter if kobe scored 35 points a game if to win mvp is to score alot then allen iverson would have like 3

[llperez]

talking about Nash making the Suns so much better should take into account that the Suns made other moves that year to improve as well. Both Joe Johnson and Amare improved significantly. Shawn Marion was an all-star, and QRich shot lights out. Except for Q, all those guys would be just as good without Nash.

Also, the Mavericks actually improved as team as soon as Nash left, why does that go unnoticed.

By the way, this idea of challenging somebody did’nt work. This is just like any ohter thread where people just debate a topic at random.

[D HampParticipant]

Kobe Bryant should have 3 MVPs. His first won, the year Nash won his second and this year, eventhough Lerbon won.

Had the Lakers played in the East this year, the would have won 72 games. They won 68 in the West.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown

[llperez]

But Kobe did’nt just score a lot. He scored a WHOLE lot, while also playing first team defense and leading a sorry team to the 7th seed and one game away from beating Nash’s suns. Everyone in the league acknowledeged that Kobe was the best at that time. He did more then just score.

[JNixonParticipant]

Its easy to look back now and say he didnt deserve the MVP, but then everybody thought so and he did deserve his MVP’s no question in my opinion.

[bluedevils12Participant]

who wins the argument?

[sheltwon3Participant]

Dhamps has been quiet and i will in a little bit because i have to go update my NBA rosters and create some draft players. How many of yall do that.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

All the people who say Nash doesn’t play D…so what? That’s not the point

I think The All-NBA is more important than MVP anyway.

D-Hamp- find me the last MVP on a losing team, i would be surprised if there is one…

[cp5Participant]

Nash is way overrated he scored in Dallas and just because the suns with many good players improved he’s the mvp. The suns could have improved w/ any other descent, unselfish player

[NarcParticipant]

I agree with Iverson winning the MVP that year. He lead the league in scoring, steals, and was among the leaders in assist.

As far as D’Antoni’s style winning a championship, I’m not really sold on that. This is coming from a die-hard Knick fan as well. They play less defense now, then when Isiah Thomas was coaching them. Unless they find a guy who fits the up tempo style and can play some defense, then they will be what the Phoenix Suns were, an exciting team with an exciting style, that won’t be able to win the big one. I am a staunch believer that defense wins championships.

[NarcParticipant]

I agree with Iverson winning the MVP that year. He lead the league in scoring, steals, and was among the leaders in assist.

As far as D’Antoni’s style winning a championship, I’m not really sold on that. This is coming from a die-hard Knick fan as well. They play less defense now, then when Isiah Thomas was coaching them. Unless they find a guy who fits the up tempo style and can play some defense, then they will be what the Phoenix Suns were, an exciting team with an exciting style, that won’t be able to win the big one. I am a staunch believer that defense wins championships.

[llperez]

what does mvp on a losing team have to do with anything?

[IndianaBasketballParticipant]

D. Hamp wins the argument regardless because y’all actually agreed to challenge him! Y’all actually defeated the purpose of challenging him in the 1st place, because in doing so… Y’all only proved y’all think he’s the best!

[NarcParticipant]

Delete post…sorry for double posting my laptop is acting up.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Just name the Last MVP on a losing team. Just because Kobe dropped 35ppg he shouldn’t have won it. He was on a losing team.

I would say Iverson could have won it as well, His team actually went to the Playoffs that year.

[NarcParticipant]

This ties in to what I said earlier…what defines the MVP? Kobe had better stats, but he was on a losing team, Nash was the driving force behind getting his team to the playoffs. Is the MVP the person with the better stats or the person who leads his team to the playoffs?

[the_truth34Participant]

if your talking about leading crappy teams to the playoffs look at dwayne wade

[sheltwon3Participant]

Kobe should have 2 MVP’s at least. This year he was being saved for the Final and did not get many minutes and did not have to so I understand he is glad to get a finals MVP and a championship instead of MVP. Steve Nash deserved his first MVP because he controlled a team of that much talent which is not easy. He was also solid for them offensively but if he never won an MVP and other won it I woudl not be mad because it is debateable that there were better players. His second MVP, I was rooting for Kobe the whole time because he played like amazing. How could he not get it the way he played. That whole teammate better stuff was BS, his team was young and not very talented.

[llperez]

When he should have won the mvp over nash, the lakers went 45-37.

[D HampParticipant]

OK. Question number 2.

If Greg Oden comes back healthy, do you build around Oden and Roy….or Roy and Aldrdige.

I say trade Alridge because I don’t think the three of them can co-exist. If you noticed, last year Alrdige constatnly looked over his shoulder wondering when to shoot and when to pass because many view Aldridge and Oden as building blocks.

I say build the team around a healthy Oden (first scoring option and defensive anchor) and then Roy (second option) because dominate big men are hard to find.

P.S. if you have questions, bring them on.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown.

[sheltwon3Participant]

How did Dhamp win. He said Nash was overrated. He isnt, was he overrated the years he won it maybe the second year but the first year I think he may have deserved but maybe AI could have deserved it too. Second year was more about Media trying to get younger kids to want to pass more and they did not want to see any more AI clones. So they hyped Nash up.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Yea but…when you lose Stoudemire and Johnson and your wins decrease from 62 to 54…that’s amazing. The suns substituted Amare and Johnson with Diaw, Bell and Thomas. Nash held that team together.

They lost 2 players who can average 20 plus and got back to the Conference Finals? Crazy

[llperez]

It’s a dumb idea to challenge one person. Half the people were arguing with him and half were arguing against just like any other thread. In the end, it is all just opinion anyways.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

New Subject!

Build around all 3. If all 3 are very good….pay all of them.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I think adjusting to a new teammate especially one that occupies the same space take time. Oden is more inside so that allows Alridge to continue to stay outside where he like to anyway so I don’t see them needing to change anything. They are a good young team but they need some point guard help now that Roy is a bigger scoring option. That could be what is hurting Portland also they need a vet there as well that can get their respect at one of their need positions. To me they will be fine. Bayless does not seem to fit into what they are trying to do because his game is scoring and they have that. They need a playmaker type but maybe they see Bayless a top scoring 6 man but I thought that was Rudy fernadez’s job.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Ok, Oden will NOT be the first option on that team.
Brandon Roy is a proven scorer, all star, and in my opinion superstar.
Brandon Roy should be the number 1 option on this team FOR SURE, that is his team, and they are one of the best teams in the west.
Aldridge is also an up in coming all star , and great player. In a couple years he will be one of the best PF in the league.
Oden, if he comes back healthy, he will be the number 3 or 4 option until he can prove that he belongs in the league.
He is a great big man, but hasnt played enough in the NBA to prove that he should be the number 2 option yet,

[sheltwon3Participant]

The coach allowed them to do well by allowing Diaw to play in many different spots. Nash did not do that.

[JNixonParticipant]

I would trade Oden before I’d trade Aldridge, I know it might seem crazy because some of yall think Oden will be good, but I dont.

[llperez]

They needed 7 games aginst the lakers and 7 games aginst the clippers before they ran into the spurs. Raja, Diaw, Marion, Tim Thomas, and Barbosa were all playing well. Nash was great by all means, but Kobe had a better season then him. All the announcers and media admitted Kobe was the best, but becasue he only won 45 games, they were’nt gonna give the best player mvp. The fact that he finished 4th that year makes it even more sad, and it also makes me seriously belive his lack of popularity had something to do with the voting.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

If I was Portland…If Oden has a good year next year ( 13ppg, 9rpg and 1bpg) , I would throw him a 5 year/40 mil extension

[sheltwon3Participant]

Oden if he can stay healthy will be good and he can potentially be better than Howard. His body and athletic ability or close to equal and Oden is taller and stronger. I am having fun but i have to go now Later everyone and Dhamp hold it down. You should have one less person to go at you because i know you scared of me lol.

[NarcParticipant]

Why on earth would you make Greg Oden the first scoring option on Portland???? First off let me state that I agree with building around Oden and Roy, but Brandon Roy has proven himself to be the leader of that team. Oden in no way shape or form deserves to be the 1st option. He is raw offensively, not owning a decent back to the basket game and he looks very uncomfortable facing the basket as well. Plus a healthy Oden, has already been hard to come by, He has proven himself to have injury concerns already, and he hasn’t even been a pro for 3 years yet. Roy on the other hand, has proven himself as a leader and a scorer on a team who with time, may very well be a potent threat in the west, The Blazers have so much potential up the ass its crazy (which is why I am hoping that the Knicks do a sign and trade with David Lee over there.)

Oden can be a defensive anchor because he has already shown an NBA ready shot blocking skill, but he needs to own a post move first before you can mention him as a 1st scoring option, or even a 3rd scoring option.

[D HampParticipant]

Naw. Oden and Alridge won’t be able to play with each other. Alridge’s confidence will began to wane. And for whoever said Aldridge is on his way to being an all-star is stupid. He’s 6 feet 11 and barely averaged 7 rebounds last year. Make Oden the number 1 option when he is ready. You have to build around a big man if you have one.

Dhamp…the new Hubie Brown

[NarcParticipant]

I’m not sure with Aldrige and Oden not being able to play together. They have two contrasting styles and I think that works. Oden, is big, powerful, and bruising. Aldridge has a finesse game, a nice 12-15 foot jumper. However, I do agree with Aldridge beeing soft. Him and Channing Frye were basically the same player.

[NarcParticipant]

Who knows…Oden maybe the next Sam Bowie (I hope not). He has already missed a year and a handful of games, and he is still young. Take it from a guy who has had numerous knee injuries and such, they not only have a physical effect, but in the back of your mind you always wonder if something else can go wrong.

[D HampParticipant]

Make him the first scoring option when he is ready.

Dhamp

[R-Dot-13Participant]

First of all, Oden hasnt played enough to prove that he can be the number 1, or even 2 option.
And when and IF he is healthy, Oden will have to have a good season, (maybe 15-17 ppg, 8-10 rpg) to even have him as the 2nd option. Roy is one of the best SG in the league, and one of the best scorers in the league, you have to continue to build around him.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

LaMarcus and Greg can play together. It was there 1st season together. They have to get in sync with each other.

My Question to people- Can Brandon Roy Play PG? IMO, he can

[D HampParticipant]

Yes, at key moments, Roy, who decalred for the draft out of highschoo:), can play point.

Dhamp

[D HampParticipant]

Any questions anyone?

Dhamp

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Best Pg in the league in 3 years ?

[maravich44Participant]

Oden can potentially be great because he does a lot of things well including playing D, blocking shots and rebounding. I’m a big fan and think he will have a very good career, but Roy is a better scorer. Oden potentially be a better all-around player, but Roy is the better scorer and therefore should be #1 option of offense.

Aldridge adds a lot to the mix and has a diverse skillset that could mesh with both players. They should get a pass first point guard and keep all 3 together. They will enjoy a very bright future if Oden is the player I think he will be and avoids injuries.

Yes, Roy could play point guard, but they would be better off with a pass first guy who could distribute the ball to players in a good position to get their shot off.

[D HampParticipant]

Probably CP3 of D Will. To me, the are the same. They are the top two point guards in the league. You’ll have to pick them based on preference.

Dhamp

[R-Dot-13Participant]

I believe that CP3 will be the guy, and D-Will will be very close to him.
Westbrook and Rose will also be in the discussion.

Which brings me to another question..

Westbrook or Rose?

[llperez]

will be right there with Paul and DWill in 3 years. His explosiveness around the basket and change of direction is second to none at pg position. Westbrook will be very good, but I’m not ready to put him with the other guys yet.

[maravich44Participant]

Rose. Most athletic point guard to come along. He is a winner and has all offensive skills needed. Also works very hard and has a good head on his shoulders. In time, he will be best of all point guards.

[Knicksboy34Participant]

Overall in 3 years, I think we may say Russell Westbrook. I like the fact he can play Offense and Defense very well.

[R-Dot-13Participant]

Thank you Knicksboy,
I love Westbrooks potential, and call me crazy, but I think that Westbrook will be better than Rose.

[JNixonParticipant]

I dont. Derrick Rose or Chris Paul will be the best PG in 3 years i think..

[sheltwon3Participant]

This is a wild card but Rose and Jennings could be it lol. Some loser went around and took point from all my posts. I really dont care because i have points to spare but my thing is come out and say who you are quit being a coward. That is why you have men that dont want to be men nowadays because they are punks who hide behind stuff if you are man man up.

[HaleParticipant]

MVP goes to the player who is most valuable to their team. When Kobe was scoring 35 a night he taking away from his team a little because he forced so many poor shots, although the team he was on was below average. Nash won the awards not because he was better then Bryant but because he was incredibly valuable to his team. You guys forget that the Suns lost every game Nash missed except 1 in his 2 years as MVP. I think they were like 1-8 but were one of the top seeds in the west when he played. Kobe is way better then Nash, but I believe Nash did deserve the first MVP he got. The second one, well….

[Knicksboy34Participant]

yupyup look at my pic

[HaleParticipant]

Knicksboy you demon! Haha well hopefully he goes somewhere and makes that a false statement!

[Knicksboy34Participant]

I hope he comes back and makes the 2nd round…until he does…the pic stays!

[HaleParticipant]

I am pretty sure that pic will stay awhile if he doesn’t leave Houston.

[joecheck88Participant]

oh all mighty DHAMP- the most knowledgeable basketball mind on the planet or 2nd behind hubie brown, how do you not have a job as a nba scout? with all your knowledge you should be a gm by now. school is in session DHAMP, be quiet and raise your hand when you want some info. correct, nash deserved only his first MVP and yes kobe should have more than 1. wrong, just because he shouldn’t have got his second MVP doesn’t mean he is overrated. u reached a little to far for that one. wrong, greg oden will never be a number one option. that is ROY’s team and aldridge fits perfect with roy and oden, a big man with range to open up driving lanes for roy and making space for oden who u won’t see outside the lane much. correct, cp3 and dwill is a toss up for best pg in the next 3 years. real question, barring injury and trade, DHAMP, how many games realistically can the Suns win this year? this topic gets me going. PS- DHAMP, i respect what you do on this site but i dont like your arrogance and will play role of villain

[McWinningParticipant]

for Dhamp- how well will Greg Oden do next year?

[xbadgerhustlerParticipant]

Agree with Tezo, DHAMP wins since you guys are even willing to challenge him lol in a SUBJECTIVE debate… hahahaha, like some how someone will WIN the debate… lol

Nash’s teams won a LOT of regular season games and he was a big reason why- that’s how you win a regular season MVP award. He (and D’Antoni) made Quentin Richardson look like an all-star. I mean, Shawn Marion is good, but he never looked better than when he was playing with Nash. Nash is one of the most underrated shooters/scorers in the game because he is such a good passer, but the guy does not miss open shots.

Yes, his defense is bad, but the fact is, his teams won a lot more games than they lost and he was at the helm of those squads.

Whoever called them out for having to win in 7 games the first two series… first of all, the western conference has always been tough and LOADED! And, I mean, the Celtics were taken to 7 games twice (or maybe it was 3 times) before winning their championship… winning 2 game 7s is not a bad feat…

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