[White ChocolateParticipant]

A source close to Utah Jazz guard Deron Williams said Sunday a report that the two-time All-Star wants to play for the New York Knicks after the 2011-12 season is "crazy".

Williams holds a player option for the 2012-13 campaign with Utah worth $17.9 million. He discussed with the media about his future with the Jazz on Friday, stating that uncertainty surrounding a Collective Bargaining Agreement that will expire June 30 is the main factor affecting his decision.

"Until I see what that’s like, I can’t even think about it," Williams said. "I don’t want to get into one of those things where everybody’s guessing what I’m going to do. I’d rather just leave it at that. You can guess if you want to, but you’re not going to know from me."

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I hate to say it, but he’s good as gone from Utah unless you make a Pau Gasol like move. Utah has been in the 6-8 hole for a second now. Unless Utah can somehow pull a deal where they can get a solid young player and a lotto pick and pick another good player, I doubt he’s staying.

To be honest, there’s no real reason for him to stay in Utah. I’m not saying that because New York is a realistic destination for him, but because there’s nothing in Utah to would make you excited.

 

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I hate to say it, but he’s good as gone from Utah unless you make a Pau Gasol like move. Utah has been in the 6-8 hole for a second now. Unless Utah can somehow pull a deal where they can get a solid young player and a lotto pick and pick another good player, I doubt he’s staying.

To be honest, there’s no real reason for him to stay in Utah. I’m not saying that because New York is a realistic destination for him, but because there’s nothing in Utah to would make you excited.

 

[kngojcParticipant]

I like Williams. He’s been a very good player the past few years and he has definitely produced in the clutch and in the playoffs. The problem here is that the Jazz is still sore about losing Boozer.  Sure Jefferson was a good replacement but look at where the Wolves were with Jefferson. He was a great scorer and good rebounder on a very bad team that didn’t especially have an identity. The Jazz that year did very well and made the playoffs and actually put in work against the Lakers. So what was the difference? Boozer. Now that he’s on the Bulls, look how much they improved. 3rd place in the Eastern conference and Boozer is paired with a terrific young scoring point guard (much like Williams). I agree with Knicksboy that the Jazz need to make a move to pick someone up that can help the Jazz but the biggest thing that they need to do is to create better chemistry on the team. Jefferson gets the ball in the post and it never sees the light of day again. Sloan got fired because Williams offered an ultimatum. So what kind of person would Williams be if he got one of the best and longest tenured coach fired, then ran from the team that is doing everything in its power to keep him there? Is that the direction the NBA is headed in now? Star players give the team that drafted him a good number of years then bolt as soon there’s a destination where one superstar is already headed? If so, that is completely ridiculous. 

[kngojcParticipant]

I like Williams. He’s been a very good player the past few years and he has definitely produced in the clutch and in the playoffs. The problem here is that the Jazz is still sore about losing Boozer.  Sure Jefferson was a good replacement but look at where the Wolves were with Jefferson. He was a great scorer and good rebounder on a very bad team that didn’t especially have an identity. The Jazz that year did very well and made the playoffs and actually put in work against the Lakers. So what was the difference? Boozer. Now that he’s on the Bulls, look how much they improved. 3rd place in the Eastern conference and Boozer is paired with a terrific young scoring point guard (much like Williams). I agree with Knicksboy that the Jazz need to make a move to pick someone up that can help the Jazz but the biggest thing that they need to do is to create better chemistry on the team. Jefferson gets the ball in the post and it never sees the light of day again. Sloan got fired because Williams offered an ultimatum. So what kind of person would Williams be if he got one of the best and longest tenured coach fired, then ran from the team that is doing everything in its power to keep him there? Is that the direction the NBA is headed in now? Star players give the team that drafted him a good number of years then bolt as soon there’s a destination where one superstar is already headed? If so, that is completely ridiculous. 

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 This is what is so sad about the NBA. Since the jazz dont have a huge market and 2 all stars they are now all of the sudden a team that dwill has "no real reason to stay".  The sad part is and I am not saying this because I it is my jazz, but we have been just about as good as francise out there. We were a power house all through the ninetys but a special player beat us out every year.  We have been about as consistant as anyone. Never lossing 60 games in a season, which only the knicks and Lakers can say about themselves. Since Sloan took over we have only been to the lottery 3 times and only once had a lossing record. We have maybe the most loyal fans, along with the likes of toronto and OKC. So you as a player would rather play aganist a Miami big three who is going to be better than any knicks big  three and boston instead of a young okc team and a aging lakers team… Idk Salt Lake is a "mormon town" with only 4% of it being african american. But really how many players live year round in their citys. You play 42 game a year in that town other than that you are always moving. You are in the NBA to… which i feel alot of these Divas are taking for granted. So I guess until the NBA finds a way to make players loyal again they are going to have to deal with a few all star teams vs each other every year and while it maybe fun they are going to loose alot of fans and money because who really wants to see a matchup of chauncey Billups’ nuggets vs Al Jeffersons’ jazz.. not alot of people… They need a francise tag. They need loyaltiy and they need one to two max contracts per team. Other wise teams are going to need to be destroyed just so people arent sick of matchups like david west vs mo williams. If you are a big market fan more power to you if you root for the little guys though. A dark time is coming fast. 

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 This is what is so sad about the NBA. Since the jazz dont have a huge market and 2 all stars they are now all of the sudden a team that dwill has "no real reason to stay".  The sad part is and I am not saying this because I it is my jazz, but we have been just about as good as francise out there. We were a power house all through the ninetys but a special player beat us out every year.  We have been about as consistant as anyone. Never lossing 60 games in a season, which only the knicks and Lakers can say about themselves. Since Sloan took over we have only been to the lottery 3 times and only once had a lossing record. We have maybe the most loyal fans, along with the likes of toronto and OKC. So you as a player would rather play aganist a Miami big three who is going to be better than any knicks big  three and boston instead of a young okc team and a aging lakers team… Idk Salt Lake is a "mormon town" with only 4% of it being african american. But really how many players live year round in their citys. You play 42 game a year in that town other than that you are always moving. You are in the NBA to… which i feel alot of these Divas are taking for granted. So I guess until the NBA finds a way to make players loyal again they are going to have to deal with a few all star teams vs each other every year and while it maybe fun they are going to loose alot of fans and money because who really wants to see a matchup of chauncey Billups’ nuggets vs Al Jeffersons’ jazz.. not alot of people… They need a francise tag. They need loyaltiy and they need one to two max contracts per team. Other wise teams are going to need to be destroyed just so people arent sick of matchups like david west vs mo williams. If you are a big market fan more power to you if you root for the little guys though. A dark time is coming fast. 

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 Kngojc i agree. I dont like the way players are treating teams.

[bigblackNbeautifulParticipant]

 Kngojc i agree. I dont like the way players are treating teams.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

It’s hard to win in Utah because its not attractive place for big free agents, which makes Coach Sloans accomplishment even more impressive, he has done it thru draft and developing his own players without signing key free agents. DWill is going to have go somewhere else if he wants to win it all, Utah is just not the place to do it, specially now that the brains of the operation has “retired”.

Everyone is assuming New York for big free agents, but I think a couple of teams that could become contenders if DWill joins would be Houston, Dallas (JKidd’s contract expires the same year as DWill I believe), Atlanta. I believe DWill is going to have more suiters than Carmelo because there are teams out there that are a PG away from being an elite team.

[ilike.panochasParticipant]

It’s hard to win in Utah because its not attractive place for big free agents, which makes Coach Sloans accomplishment even more impressive, he has done it thru draft and developing his own players without signing key free agents. DWill is going to have go somewhere else if he wants to win it all, Utah is just not the place to do it, specially now that the brains of the operation has “retired”.

Everyone is assuming New York for big free agents, but I think a couple of teams that could become contenders if DWill joins would be Houston, Dallas (JKidd’s contract expires the same year as DWill I believe), Atlanta. I believe DWill is going to have more suiters than Carmelo because there are teams out there that are a PG away from being an elite team.

[The lake show2]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

[The lake show2]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

 

He would choose a 34 year old Dirk over a 30 Amare and 27 Carmelo with a 24 Fields? I wouldn’t. That’s just me

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

 

He would choose a 34 year old Dirk over a 30 Amare and 27 Carmelo with a 24 Fields? I wouldn’t. That’s just me

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

 

He would choose a 34 year old Dirk over a 30 Amare and 27 Carmelo with a 24 Fields? I wouldn’t. That’s just me

[BKKnicksfanParticipant]

I think Dallas has the upper hand as far as where he would go. He has a house out there and its his hometown and he has mentioned them before in interviews out in utah( he mentioned them not some source)

 

He would choose a 34 year old Dirk over a 30 Amare and 27 Carmelo with a 24 Fields? I wouldn’t. That’s just me

[OhCanada-Participant]

We may not like the way players are treating teams, but they have been treating players the same way for years. One way or another I expect the new CBA to fix everything and find a way to put the power back into the owners hands.

[OhCanada-Participant]

We may not like the way players are treating teams, but they have been treating players the same way for years. One way or another I expect the new CBA to fix everything and find a way to put the power back into the owners hands.

[The lake show2]

Exactly that’s just you. Just like it seems weird that Melo wouldn’t pick the Clippers over these other teams

 

i have no problems with the way the players are treating the teams since the teams treat the players the same way all the time, especially the players who aren’t stars

[The lake show2]

Exactly that’s just you. Just like it seems weird that Melo wouldn’t pick the Clippers over these other teams

 

i have no problems with the way the players are treating the teams since the teams treat the players the same way all the time, especially the players who aren’t stars

[sheltwon3Participant]

I guess i see things different.  This is a business.  Owners would drop a player without thinking about it if he does produce but it is wrong for players to leave if they are not getting the help they feel they need.  I think a lot of people feel like they should be just happy to be in the NBA because of pay but the thing is they have the same rights as any worker and unlike most workers they have leverage.  Owners trade players like nothing.  I remember Penny got traded from Orlando when he got hurt and he did a lot for them. 

 

Kidd got traded from Phoenix after that wife abuse thing even when he could still play at an All star level.  Players are not slaves to the people that pay them money, they have rights to go to another team after their deal is up.  I am sorry if your team is not the team that Deron wants to play for but in no way is he doing Utah wrong.  Also Utah fired Sloan not Williams.  They are grown men and they made that decision.  You guys need to quit buying into the media.  Think about it, a billionaire is going to allow a multi millionaire run his business.  Also it funny how only a few owner get blamed but it is the owner responsibility about everything.  Any thing that got Deron Williams would have paid him so Utah is not any special.  It would be different if they were the only team that would pay him.  They drafted him but I am sure if they did not someone else would have.  That does not give them exclusive rights and I hope it never happens that way. 

Deron Williams is still playing great basketball for a team that he may not want to be on but he is honoring his contract which is all he is required to do.

[sheltwon3Participant]

I guess i see things different.  This is a business.  Owners would drop a player without thinking about it if he does produce but it is wrong for players to leave if they are not getting the help they feel they need.  I think a lot of people feel like they should be just happy to be in the NBA because of pay but the thing is they have the same rights as any worker and unlike most workers they have leverage.  Owners trade players like nothing.  I remember Penny got traded from Orlando when he got hurt and he did a lot for them. 

 

Kidd got traded from Phoenix after that wife abuse thing even when he could still play at an All star level.  Players are not slaves to the people that pay them money, they have rights to go to another team after their deal is up.  I am sorry if your team is not the team that Deron wants to play for but in no way is he doing Utah wrong.  Also Utah fired Sloan not Williams.  They are grown men and they made that decision.  You guys need to quit buying into the media.  Think about it, a billionaire is going to allow a multi millionaire run his business.  Also it funny how only a few owner get blamed but it is the owner responsibility about everything.  Any thing that got Deron Williams would have paid him so Utah is not any special.  It would be different if they were the only team that would pay him.  They drafted him but I am sure if they did not someone else would have.  That does not give them exclusive rights and I hope it never happens that way. 

Deron Williams is still playing great basketball for a team that he may not want to be on but he is honoring his contract which is all he is required to do.

[kngojcParticipant]

"Players are not slaves to the people that pay them money, they have rights to go to another team after their deal is up. I am sorry if your team is not the team that Deron wants to play for but in no way is he doing Utah wrong."

I agree with what you’re saying about players not being slaves to the people that write their checks but when your star player forces a hall of fame coach out of his job because he wasn’t so fond of him, that isn’t something very respectable of DWill in my eyes. And while I agree that if they don’t think they can turn things around and get into the playoffs and win, seriously, feel free to leave. But like someone else said, they have such a great track record with Jerry Sloan where they only had a lottery pick a few times and never lost more than 60 games.. So its not like they weren’t winning, it’s just that Williams is sick of making the playoffs and not getting a favorable matchup in the first or second round.

When Lebron left Cleveland to go chase a title with Miami, that most definitely opened a door in the NBA. To me it is simply saying "if you aren’t winning a championship, go to some other team that has one or more stars on the team to be in contention, regardless of how much of a hero you are to that team." And what saddens me even more as an NBA fan is that this is the direction the NBA is headed now. And unless if we can implement some new rules in like a franchise tag, I feel like things will get even worse after this.

[kngojcParticipant]

"Players are not slaves to the people that pay them money, they have rights to go to another team after their deal is up. I am sorry if your team is not the team that Deron wants to play for but in no way is he doing Utah wrong."

I agree with what you’re saying about players not being slaves to the people that write their checks but when your star player forces a hall of fame coach out of his job because he wasn’t so fond of him, that isn’t something very respectable of DWill in my eyes. And while I agree that if they don’t think they can turn things around and get into the playoffs and win, seriously, feel free to leave. But like someone else said, they have such a great track record with Jerry Sloan where they only had a lottery pick a few times and never lost more than 60 games.. So its not like they weren’t winning, it’s just that Williams is sick of making the playoffs and not getting a favorable matchup in the first or second round.

When Lebron left Cleveland to go chase a title with Miami, that most definitely opened a door in the NBA. To me it is simply saying "if you aren’t winning a championship, go to some other team that has one or more stars on the team to be in contention, regardless of how much of a hero you are to that team." And what saddens me even more as an NBA fan is that this is the direction the NBA is headed now. And unless if we can implement some new rules in like a franchise tag, I feel like things will get even worse after this.

[butidonthavemoney]

"Also Utah fired Sloan not Williams."

Nobody fired Sloan. He left because Williams was being a crybaby.

[butidonthavemoney]

"Also Utah fired Sloan not Williams."

Nobody fired Sloan. He left because Williams was being a crybaby.

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