[Moon RiverParticipant]

Noah declares, a kid asks to be released from his scholarship and now a 3rd says he wants to transfer.  Are we seeing the beginning of the end of Crean at IU?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/24499075/jeremy-hollowell-transferring-from-indiana

[samosasParticipant]

This is why I wasn’t upset when Kentucky quit playing IU, when some people were calling UK ‘scared’.  Tom Crean is not, by any strech, a good coach.  Why would Kentucky take a potential dome game (where are Final Fours played???) away and do a home and home with a team that can do nothing but hurt their SOS?  This is the place that hangs banners for beating a #1 team….in the regular season.  Not the winning attitude you want a talented kid to have. 

[samosasParticipant]

This is why I wasn’t upset when Kentucky quit playing IU, when some people were calling UK ‘scared’.  Tom Crean is not, by any strech, a good coach.  Why would Kentucky take a potential dome game (where are Final Fours played???) away and do a home and home with a team that can do nothing but hurt their SOS?  This is the place that hangs banners for beating a #1 team….in the regular season.  Not the winning attitude you want a talented kid to have. 

[JNixonParticipant]

Man….seems like yesterday when Indiana was done with sanctions and landing crazy recruiting classes

[JNixonParticipant]

Man….seems like yesterday when Indiana was done with sanctions and landing crazy recruiting classes

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

I don’t understand how Indy has soured so much on Crean. He’s done an excellent job rebuilding a program that was in shambles (relatively speaking) when he got there, and has turned it into a yearly contender. He’s done nothing but bring in awesome recruiting classes, and with the exception of this year, get them to the NCAA’s. It just goes to show that being a coach at a blue blood university can be a very unforgiving and fickle gig- even when you are doing good, it may not be good enough. If Crean does get the boot, he’ll basically have another job guaranteed. 

[GlenTaylorSucksParticipant]

I don’t understand how Indy has soured so much on Crean. He’s done an excellent job rebuilding a program that was in shambles (relatively speaking) when he got there, and has turned it into a yearly contender. He’s done nothing but bring in awesome recruiting classes, and with the exception of this year, get them to the NCAA’s. It just goes to show that being a coach at a blue blood university can be a very unforgiving and fickle gig- even when you are doing good, it may not be good enough. If Crean does get the boot, he’ll basically have another job guaranteed. 

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I think Crean is a very good coach.  As GlenTaylor said, the program was in complete dissaray after the Kelvin Sampson mess.  The team last year with Zeller and Oladipo was great and I thought they had the talent to go all the way.  He’s getting top recruits to come to Bloomington.  Obviously something is going on with Crean if players are transferring.  Vonleh is an NBA player, but I thought he would stick around at least another year.  Maybe he was unhappy also.  This will be an interesting story to follow.  

[TarHeelRavenParticipant]

 I think Crean is a very good coach.  As GlenTaylor said, the program was in complete dissaray after the Kelvin Sampson mess.  The team last year with Zeller and Oladipo was great and I thought they had the talent to go all the way.  He’s getting top recruits to come to Bloomington.  Obviously something is going on with Crean if players are transferring.  Vonleh is an NBA player, but I thought he would stick around at least another year.  Maybe he was unhappy also.  This will be an interesting story to follow.  

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

 Being a good recruiter and being a good coach are very different things. Crean is a terrible in game coach. His substitution patterns literaly make no sense. He is terrible in late game situations and clock management. Etc etc

[i’m jus so offendedParticipant]

 Being a good recruiter and being a good coach are very different things. Crean is a terrible in game coach. His substitution patterns literaly make no sense. He is terrible in late game situations and clock management. Etc etc

[Warned2820Participant]

 I watch a lot of Big Ten ball and Crean is definitely the worst coach in the conference.  He is a good at recruiting, and identifying overlooked talent, but he is not a good coach.  To have two top 5 picks on his roster and not advance past the Sweet Sixteen last year is a pretty big indictment of his coaching ability.  They had top 25 talent this year but he couldn’t even get them into the NIT.  

[Warned2820Participant]

 I watch a lot of Big Ten ball and Crean is definitely the worst coach in the conference.  He is a good at recruiting, and identifying overlooked talent, but he is not a good coach.  To have two top 5 picks on his roster and not advance past the Sweet Sixteen last year is a pretty big indictment of his coaching ability.  They had top 25 talent this year but he couldn’t even get them into the NIT.  

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

Don’t you think that is a little bit dramatic? Vonleh’s stock will probably never be higher. It just makes sense that he would leave. Hollowell and Etherington were not big contributors on this team.

Indiana was really young this past year. This team had bright moments, like when they beat four ranked teams, including two teams who are in the sweet 16 (Wisconsin and Michigan). There are young, and like all young teams, they were inconsistent. 

They return Ferrell (Jr.), Troy Williams (So.), Standford Robinson (So.), and Perea (Jr.), who were all 4 or 5 star recruits. There is also a 7 footer who may contribute this coming year named Peter Jurkin. They also two 4 star guard recruits in this year’s freshman class. 

Another year of maturity for Troy Williams could turn him into an NBA prospect. Robinson looks like he can contribute consistently. With more opportunity, Perea could look really good. 

The truth is, Etherington and Hollowell probably saw the writing on the wall and knew they were going to continue to struggle to get minutes.

This is a young team who had a bad and inconsistent year, but they will bounce back and be in the tourney next season. Lets not pile on the Hoosiers and Crean until they miss the tournament for a couple years in a row.

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 Wow. The system has never triple posted me before. 

[treytalkssports.comParticipant]

 Wow. The system has never triple posted me before. 

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

I still think my prediction I posted in another topic about Brad Stevens eventually becoming IU’s coach has a very strong possibility of coming true. When he was Butler’s coach, the only thing holding him back from winning over top in-state recruits from Indiana and Purdue was that Butler was in the Horizon League for most of his tender. With a few years of NBA experience, the history of IU, and an already established respect from in-state players, especially guys from Indy, I think Brad Stevens could do amazing things with IU’s program.

Again, I’m not saying this would be an imminent change for IU’s program because Crean has some fantastic recruits coming in next year and could still turn things around, but I’ve questioned a lot of Crean’s in-game decision making the past couple years, and I know I’m not the only Hoosier who has.

P.S. In-game decisions have never been considered a weakness by any means for Mr. Stevens.

[CameronCrazy11Participant]

I still think my prediction I posted in another topic about Brad Stevens eventually becoming IU’s coach has a very strong possibility of coming true. When he was Butler’s coach, the only thing holding him back from winning over top in-state recruits from Indiana and Purdue was that Butler was in the Horizon League for most of his tender. With a few years of NBA experience, the history of IU, and an already established respect from in-state players, especially guys from Indy, I think Brad Stevens could do amazing things with IU’s program.

Again, I’m not saying this would be an imminent change for IU’s program because Crean has some fantastic recruits coming in next year and could still turn things around, but I’ve questioned a lot of Crean’s in-game decision making the past couple years, and I know I’m not the only Hoosier who has.

P.S. In-game decisions have never been considered a weakness by any means for Mr. Stevens.

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Tom Crean has no basketball playing experience… and it shows a lot with Sub Patterns, Its also very difficult to recruit blue chip guys when they know you never played at the level you are recruiting them at. Don’t get me wrong Tom Crean is a very good coach.. but hes starting to become exposed by these big ten coaches.

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Tom Crean has no basketball playing experience… and it shows a lot with Sub Patterns, Its also very difficult to recruit blue chip guys when they know you never played at the level you are recruiting them at. Don’t get me wrong Tom Crean is a very good coach.. but hes starting to become exposed by these big ten coaches.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Bobby Knight Comeback Tour.

[Memphis MadnessParticipant]

Bobby Knight Comeback Tour.

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