Could this be the beginning of the end of the NBAs dominance?

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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:44am #31425

flybobbyfly
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Could we potentially be witnessing the end of an era in which 99.5 of all the best players in the world are playing in one league? Could basketball be headed in a similar direction as soccer, in which there are a great number of leagues that split up the talent and international tournaments are required in order to crown world champions?
Two reasons I am thinking that this might become a possibility are:
1. The rising popularity all over the world, especially in China, Europe, and the Gulf. More and more fans are becoming interested in basketball every year, as well as players overseas dedicating more and more of their time to it.
2. The NBA will not be able to continue to pay players more then they would be able to make playing overseas. If a guy can make 4 million dollars or 4 million eurosa good number of them are going to choose euros.
I’m not saying that this will be an overnight thing or happen in the next year or two. It may tak 15 years or so before there are teams overseas that can rival nba talent. But I would not be suprised to see the john wall of 2025 decide to sign a max contract for real madrid instead of signing a rookie contract for a subpar team in the states.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:49am #561733

llperez
from what i hear, europe is hitting a economic crisis on par with the usa and so teams might not being throwing millions at basketball players as often as your thread might suggest. The nba might miss a season and fans will be pissed and numbers will drop in terms of attendance and viewers. But the nba will be kissing plenty of butt whenever things are back and runing so we will be typical fans and come back and give them our money becasue we love the game.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:49am #561803

llperez
from what i hear, europe is hitting a economic crisis on par with the usa and so teams might not being throwing millions at basketball players as often as your thread might suggest. The nba might miss a season and fans will be pissed and numbers will drop in terms of attendance and viewers. But the nba will be kissing plenty of butt whenever things are back and runing so we will be typical fans and come back and give them our money becasue we love the game.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:00am #561735

torontoraptors10
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Yeah Europe is in a big mess. The Euro currency may be going away and Greece’s unemployment rate is 40% and their debt can not be paid off, ever.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:00am #561805

torontoraptors10
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Yeah Europe is in a big mess. The Euro currency may be going away and Greece’s unemployment rate is 40% and their debt can not be paid off, ever.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:00am #561738

Calipari
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Factors certainly abound relating to basketball and its globalization, but the NBA will remain the shining city on a hill where the peak of success, personal glory, and the best example of the sport exists.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 8:00am #561807

Calipari
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Factors certainly abound relating to basketball and its globalization, but the NBA will remain the shining city on a hill where the peak of success, personal glory, and the best example of the sport exists.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:24am #561762

Memphis Madness
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The NBA beats pro baseball any day.
Sometimes the NBA is huge, and other times college basketball is huge but BASKETBALL has been in good shape for awhile now.
March Madness, the Final Four, the NBA Finals, the all-star game, and the dunk contest are the envy of every other sports and are rivaled only by the Super Bowl and the MLB World Series (sometimes).
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:24am #561831

Memphis Madness
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The NBA beats pro baseball any day.
Sometimes the NBA is huge, and other times college basketball is huge but BASKETBALL has been in good shape for awhile now.
March Madness, the Final Four, the NBA Finals, the all-star game, and the dunk contest are the envy of every other sports and are rivaled only by the Super Bowl and the MLB World Series (sometimes).
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:39am #561768

flybobbyfly
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In no way am I saying that basketball is losing out to another sport or that america is going to stop loving basketball. I’m saying that money is becoming more venly spread and people overseas are also starting to enjoy basketball. I dont really see why the NBA is going to be the pinnacle of professional basketball forever simply because that is the way it has always been. You have to have a better reason than that to convince me.
A top ten player in the nba could make 25-?? mil a year right now playing in europe. The salary of nba players is about to get cut. What makes you think that the best players in the world are always going to choose the NBA when they could potentially be making more money overseas? Tradition and competitiveness are acceptable answers, players might want to stay in the US to play for their favorite team or complete their childhood dreams.
But money talks, actually money yells at the top of its lungs. The players union would rather not play next year than lose a percentage of their CBA.

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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 9:39am #561837

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In no way am I saying that basketball is losing out to another sport or that america is going to stop loving basketball. I’m saying that money is becoming more venly spread and people overseas are also starting to enjoy basketball. I dont really see why the NBA is going to be the pinnacle of professional basketball forever simply because that is the way it has always been. You have to have a better reason than that to convince me.
A top ten player in the nba could make 25-?? mil a year right now playing in europe. The salary of nba players is about to get cut. What makes you think that the best players in the world are always going to choose the NBA when they could potentially be making more money overseas? Tradition and competitiveness are acceptable answers, players might want to stay in the US to play for their favorite team or complete their childhood dreams.
But money talks, actually money yells at the top of its lungs. The players union would rather not play next year than lose a percentage of their CBA.

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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 12:03pm #561822

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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The reason why it’s so different with soccer and basketball is that soccer produces star players from dozens of countries. The best player in the world can be from Brazil, Spain, France, Britain, Argentina, Portugal, Italy, Germany, and Ukraine. Whereas in basketball, the best players in the world are 95% of the time from America.
That’s what’s stopping other leagues from growing, the superstar potential in players is not that high. The leagues are taken less seriously. Until the NBA has 2-4 of the top 5 players in the league all from different countries, there is no way Europe will ever become a legit subsitute for the NBA.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 12:03pm #561891

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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The reason why it’s so different with soccer and basketball is that soccer produces star players from dozens of countries. The best player in the world can be from Brazil, Spain, France, Britain, Argentina, Portugal, Italy, Germany, and Ukraine. Whereas in basketball, the best players in the world are 95% of the time from America.
That’s what’s stopping other leagues from growing, the superstar potential in players is not that high. The leagues are taken less seriously. Until the NBA has 2-4 of the top 5 players in the league all from different countries, there is no way Europe will ever become a legit subsitute for the NBA.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:16pm #561977

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Soccer can produce stars from many different countries but take some of the top soccer leagues (for example the English Premiership or the Spanish La Liga) and look at the top 10 players from each of those leagues you will see probably less then half of the leagues top players are natives of those countries. So you can have a competitive league even if your country does not produce superstars. Another example would be Brazil. Many of the greatest soccer players ever are from Brazil and they continue to produce lots of Great young talent but no one would consider the Brazillian soccer league to be the best league or even one of best leagues in they world. Just like what FlyBobby said "money talks, actually money yells at the top of its lungs" So if Europe, Asia, or wherever calls a players name and they have the money to back up that yelling, they player will listen………… it wont happen anytime soon but eventually they European leagues will be able to compete with the NBA both in the sport and financially. They gap between them grows smaller and smaller every year.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:16pm #562049

Boomshakalaka
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Soccer can produce stars from many different countries but take some of the top soccer leagues (for example the English Premiership or the Spanish La Liga) and look at the top 10 players from each of those leagues you will see probably less then half of the leagues top players are natives of those countries. So you can have a competitive league even if your country does not produce superstars. Another example would be Brazil. Many of the greatest soccer players ever are from Brazil and they continue to produce lots of Great young talent but no one would consider the Brazillian soccer league to be the best league or even one of best leagues in they world. Just like what FlyBobby said "money talks, actually money yells at the top of its lungs" So if Europe, Asia, or wherever calls a players name and they have the money to back up that yelling, they player will listen………… it wont happen anytime soon but eventually they European leagues will be able to compete with the NBA both in the sport and financially. They gap between them grows smaller and smaller every year.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:51pm #561997

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Your example of Brazil is entirely different. Brazil is a third world country and does not have the money to pay these guys hundreds of millions of dollars to put up a show. If Brazil had the monetary and financial capability as say, Spain, Italy, or France, my guess would be, Brazil would have one of the top leagues in the world, if not THE top league in the world, simply based off their ability to produce great soccer players and their history.
They do not have the money to do so and that’s what is stopping them from making a great soccer league, not the thought that other soccer players do not want to play there. Hell, that is the same reason the Dominican Republic and Cuba lose their star baseball players to the USA. They simply do not have the financial capability to pay superstar players hundreds of millions and they cannot upkeep a professional and globally respected league in those countries because of their monetary insufficiencies.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:51pm #562069

Tongue-Out-Like-23
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Your example of Brazil is entirely different. Brazil is a third world country and does not have the money to pay these guys hundreds of millions of dollars to put up a show. If Brazil had the monetary and financial capability as say, Spain, Italy, or France, my guess would be, Brazil would have one of the top leagues in the world, if not THE top league in the world, simply based off their ability to produce great soccer players and their history.
They do not have the money to do so and that’s what is stopping them from making a great soccer league, not the thought that other soccer players do not want to play there. Hell, that is the same reason the Dominican Republic and Cuba lose their star baseball players to the USA. They simply do not have the financial capability to pay superstar players hundreds of millions and they cannot upkeep a professional and globally respected league in those countries because of their monetary insufficiencies.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:54pm #562002

aamir543
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If Lebron likes South Beach, he’d bolt to Rio Di Janero in seconds!
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 4:54pm #562075

aamir543
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If Lebron likes South Beach, he’d bolt to Rio Di Janero in seconds!
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:39pm #562205

tli232
I don’t think you need rich owners to make a league great overseas. At the end of the day, it is the fan base and their disposable income that are most instrumental to a league’s success.
With regards to the Brazil being a third world nation argument, it’s not that the owners can’t pay the players top dollars, it’s just that it doesn’t make business sense.
If you were a billionaire, and could start from scratch, where would you want to create "the world’s greatest basketball league"? You’d probably say somehwere in Europe or in the US. perhaps China because its feasibility would be reasonable given the various socio-economic factors surrounding the success of a sports league; which are many, as we all can extrapolate from the current lockout.
If European fans are willing to pay enough money to watch LeBron dunk on European dudes, then some businessman, somewhere will make the appropriate business decision and bring Lebron over.
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Posted on: Sat, 07/02/2011 - 7:39pm #562136

tli232
I don’t think you need rich owners to make a league great overseas. At the end of the day, it is the fan base and their disposable income that are most instrumental to a league’s success.
With regards to the Brazil being a third world nation argument, it’s not that the owners can’t pay the players top dollars, it’s just that it doesn’t make business sense.
If you were a billionaire, and could start from scratch, where would you want to create "the world’s greatest basketball league"? You’d probably say somehwere in Europe or in the US. perhaps China because its feasibility would be reasonable given the various socio-economic factors surrounding the success of a sports league; which are many, as we all can extrapolate from the current lockout.
If European fans are willing to pay enough money to watch LeBron dunk on European dudes, then some businessman, somewhere will make the appropriate business decision and bring Lebron over.
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