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  • #37828
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    darkman97
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     Guess you heard that Charles Barkley has gone on record saying he believes the the University  of Kentucky Wildcats could beat the Raptors and the Bobcats in the NBA. Not to be outdone, former Maryland coach, Gary Williams, added the Wizards to the list.

    I personally don’t  agree with this theory. But how close would this game be? Before you yell hugh blow out, think about how this team will probably have or could have six first round draft picks. 

    I also know the arguement of age, but if you look at team average age, UK is a little over 20 while the youngest NBA team, Sacramento average age is 24. In the stretch of the imagination, you could say with only a four year difference, Sac is just a senior laden college team if Kentucky were freshmen.

     

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  • #653087
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    For one game anything is possible, but this is highly unlikely that it would even be close. You said Kentucky may have six first rounders, well everybody on one of those NBA squads is a pro, many were first rounders as well. First off Kentucky doesnt have alot of depth, secondly the size and athletic advantage Kentucky has over almost all collegiate programs would be gone, lastly these are grown men, Meaning that brute strength would come into play (and I have seen davis get bullied a few times this year by stronger players). With all of that being said, I think Charles is so disgusted by the play of those NBA teams, that he doesnt respect them. Lets not forget, no matter how awful they are, many of those NBa guys were high school all-americans, college-all-americans- and high first rounds pick.  I know Kentucky is good but lets be for real. Indiana beat them, North Carolina lost at the buzzer to them, Vandy Beat them. So can Vandy beat the Bobcats, can Indiana beat the Wizards? It sounds good but last time I check Kentucky has won the national title just yet. Kentucky is a great COLLEGE TEAM, thats its.

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  • #653090
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    FearTheStache
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     The Wizards would crush Kentucky. They have Nene, John Wall, Blatche(if motivated), Jordan Crawford, Rashard Lewis, and many others. They also have chris singleton to shut down Kentucky.However, I think that Kentucky could beat the Bobcats

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    • #654243
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      dede21

       like everyone you mentioned is hurt Kentucky could beat the team the Wizards put on the court last night

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  • #653091
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    Wälse
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     this is ridiculous to me…just as it was when folks used to say those USC or Miami football teams could beat the bottom feeders of the NFL…its just dumb, anyone who gives it any thought can clearly see why…NJhooper made almost all of the relevant points…its just charles being charles lol

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  • #653094
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    Nbanflguy
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    Any NBA team would win easily. People had this conversation about good college football teams and the winless Detroit Lions. Almost every player on a professional sports team was a star at their college. They are also older, often stronger, and more experienced. It would be a blowout. Now if you just like picked kentucky’s top 6 players to take on the bobcats top 6 players, it might be closer, but bobcats still win

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  • #653095
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    Biggysmalls
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    I think the Wizards would win, as would the Raptors…but the Bobcats?? I think Kentucky could keep that one close and maybe win 2 or 3 out of 10 which is still hilarious.

    I’ve always thought about if you put together a college all star team or something that they could do pretty well.

    Take a team with Marshall, Beal, Barnes, TRob, Davis, MKG, Rivers, Sullinger, Lambs, and a couple others. How would that team stack up against the underbelly of the NBA??

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  • #653096
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    No.  Just no.

    This reminds me a couple of years ago, people were saying Sooners and Gators could both beat the then 0-16 Detroit Lions.

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  • #653097
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    rickybobby
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     Kentucky is a very good College team but things like this really overates them. Yea they are easily the best team in college basketball but the talent level isnt the same as it use to be. Mainly because of unready one an done players leavin, or all they all teaming up. Kentucky won a far share of there games because on pure athletisim alone. Its amazing how easily they can overwhelm an opponent, but they want be able to do that against an NBA team. 

    The last few year college basketball as been water down a bit so alot of good teams look great and as good a Kentucky is this year i dont think they could contend with the 2008 final four teams of  UNC, UCLA,Memphis,Kansas. That may have been the last great year for college basketball in terms of really elite teams. Butler making the championship game two years in a row showed the lack of talent  in college these days. I now its march madness and anythings possible but come on Butler runner ups two years and a row and they could have easily won both games. Duke barely survives, and Conneticut gets lucky to have caught them on the night they shoot the worst percentage every in championship history.

    As much fun as it is too watch Kentucky dominate, it ten times worst seeing the lack of talent and great competion in college basketball. Hopefully the NCAA can come up with some type of system to have players stay atleast two years. I mean Brittnay Griner is forced to play 4yrs when she could easily dominate in the WNBA right now. If the guys have the talent to go straight out of high school let them go but if they come to college they have to stay more than one year. 

     

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  • #653106
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    akhan786
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    Kentucky has 6 future NBA players…

    Guess what…the Wizards have 15 NBA players…nuff said.

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  • #653110
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    doubledribbler
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    I think everything in me wants to say they could beat the Bobcats, but in reality there is a huge difference between every level. There is a big difference between high school and college, but the gap is far greater from college to the NBA. The game is longer, you play against far more physical and gifted players. The height and athleticism advantages that you may have in college disappear against an NBA team. You can’t discount experience either. I am of the thinking that last years group of college players was one of the worst groups talent wise that I have seen in a long time. This years is better, but that is partially because of people being afraid of the lockout. Kentucky has what appears to be some serious talent, but you can’t go 6 deep in the NBA and win, especially with the huge dropoff that UK would have.

    While the Bobcats are horrible, remember that last years most outstanding player of the tournament is on their bench. Most of these guys on their roster were at one time the best or one of the best players on this team. Corey Maggette and Tyrus Thomas may be disappointing when you compare them against Lebron James or Pau Gasol, but put them in the NCAA and I could guarantee that they would rip teams apart.

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  • #653131
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    ProudGrandpa
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    Enough with the NFL comparisons…In basketball, chemistry is key and one or two players can take over.  Charlotte may have 15 NBA players, but look at it this way:

    How many players do the Bobcats have that would be deserving of a lottery pick if redrafted at this point in their career?  Maybe 3. (Kemba, Henderson? Augustin? Maggatte? Biyombo?)

    How many lottery-caliber players does Kentucky have?  Potentially four.

    Now, I know that this is a flawed argument because the Kentucky guys have no NBA experience and are not yet at their full potential, but, my point is, a team with amazing chemistry like Kentucky obviously has, with the potential they have, with the 2 players who could come in AND IMMEDIATELY BE BETTER THAN ANYONE ON THE BOBCATS (Davis and MKG), they would certainly have a chance.  Upsets happen, especially when the best player is on the underdog.

    I said in a previous thread, Kentucky could win at least 30 out of 100.  I shall stick by that.

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  • #653135
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    Hale
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    No way. Kemba dominated the NCAA last season and is just decent as a rookie. That’s one example. Bobcats would demolish Kentucky. 

    Edit: Here is another example. Remember when Biyombo dominated these same guys on Kentucky in the hoops summit?

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  • #653139
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    ProudGrandpa
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    I think that Davis and MKG COULD take over the game.  And look at UK’s defense.  Charlotte is already a horrible offensive team, so these two guys, who are better defenders than most pros, could stymy them and, if UK hits shots (Kyle Wiltjer, baby!) then they have a shot.

    Biyombo is nothing.  He wouldnt dominate them now.  They are smarter now. They’d have him all off-balnce and biting on fakes all the time.

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  • #653141
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    BothTeamsPlayedHard
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    Barkley loves bashing bad NBA teams, and frankly they deserve it, but in truth college teams would get smashed by the worst NBA teams. I could get the argument from back in the day when there was Wilt or Kareem being a million times better than anyone else and three or four other guys just waiting to go into the NBA with them there would be a case for it. Not now. John Wall was THE GUY two years ago. Look what the NBA did to him. Shelvin Mack might have been one of the best tournament players of his generation. He is just a guy in the NBA. Trevor Booker was a stud at Clemson. He is a guy. Jordan Crawford was a star on a good Xavier team, and now he is a guy. Remember Chris Singleton and all the nonsense about his motor, length, athletcism, and lock down defense from day one while at FSU? He is a guy. Jan Vesely was legitimately one of the top players in Europe. He is a guy. All those pre-NBA studs plus Nene, plus Rashard Lewis. Please.

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  • #653143
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    How do you know any of this? Surely Biyombo and Kemba would’ve improved from playing against better competition right? It’s absolute nonsense to believe UK would come close. I’ve only mentioned two role players and both of them dominated the same competition UK has. Chemistry? The Bobcats have played more games together then UK. UK’s defense would stop an NBA team? Kemba would dominate Teague, Maggette could score on MKG, Biyombo already made Davis look average the one time when they played and now he’s facing Kevin Love while Davis is facing guys like Patric Young. I don’t even remember who else is on their team, but it’s asanine to think any college team could beat an NBA team period without getting extremely lucky, let alone 30/100 times.

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  • #653152
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    ProudGrandpa
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    Look at it like a video game.  Say Davis and MKG have a better overall rating than any Bobcat and Terrence Jones and Lamb and Miller and Teague are all middle-of-the-road.  The Bobcats might have, say, a 70 rating.  I don’t think UK would be worse than a 60.  So, in terms of gaming, that’s a possible upset for sure.

    Crude? Yes.  But I think this analogy works.

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  • #653155
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    That’s one way to think of it. The way I think about it is the Bobcats have far more talent, and don’t only play 7 players.

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  • #653180
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    tjmartin23
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     No way Kentucky beats any NBA team. Not only because of the talent difference, but also the NBA team would have too much pride to lose that game. 

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  • #653188
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    darkman97
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     nba team would play for pride but I don’t underestimate  the power of nobody believed in us. The underdog motivation is used alot to get the best out of someone. look at sullinger at ohio state. said everyone doubted them and thanks for not believing in them. someone needs to tell him they are a number two seed. someone had to if they are ranked that high 

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  • #653216
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    Barkley actually says that Kentucky would beat Toronto but not Charlotte.

    I  like Charles Barkley, but sometimes the stuff that comes out his mouth is just plain stupid.

    I dont believe he was being serious when he spoke this, but its still some pretty disrespectful stuff to the Raptors organization.

     

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  • #653231
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    Nbanflguy
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    Kentucky would lose everytime by probably at least 20-30 points. There really is no argument for Kentucky to win.

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  • #653277
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    Jlv2012

    that a college team could beat the Bobcats.  Any other team, not so much.  They really need to set up a game just for fun.

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  • #653302
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    surve
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    Kentucky could win.

    But I dont know how many games they would have to play before they got their first victory.

    I say like this, if the Bobcats or Wiz played UK 50 times, they would win at least 48 times.  I may be generous.  Thats about as far as this argument should go though.  No need to breakdown player matchups.

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  • #653477
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    imahustla1
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     I agree they wouldnt beat a bottom feeded NBA team. but i wouldnt call it a blowout. But my question is do you think the Kentucky Wildcats could beat the best D League team? 

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  • #653520
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     In regards to UK vs Raptors, not even close, this team has 16 wins with it’s best player missing 2 thirds of the season. Toronto would route them everytime by 30. The Bobcats would also beat them. Maggete can score, I don’t care what you guys say, but like YupYup said, if Kemba destroyed the tourney last, he would toy with those perimeter players. Lamb, Miller and Teague would have a really tough time handling Maggete, Walker and Henderson. If I was playing odds makers and UK and the Bobcats were playing in one game, and I would have to give the percent chance the Wildcats would beat the Bobcats, I would say 7%.

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  • #653718
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     The Wizards, Bobcats and Raptors do not have 15 NBA players. They each have 15 guys who NBA teams have given guaranteed contracts. But many of those contracts were big mistakes or the teams are waiting for development. But that is not the same as having players who can actually play in the NBA. And by that I don’t mean run around on the court, I mean actually help their team win games. These teams have mistakes on their teams. They have bad players. Guys with potential who never developed. Guys who haven’t figured it out. Guys who looked good at one point but are now old and slow or out of shape. I’m not saying everyone on those teams, but don’t just assume that because a guy got a contract means he can outplay a guy who hasn’t gotten his chance for a contract. Generally, I don’t like these comparisons as well. But I wouldn’t rule out Kentucky in a best of seven against the Bobcats. 

    Now that Wizards have Nene, they are playing better. They shouldn’t be talked about in the same way as the Bobcats even if if their record is similar. 

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  • #653720
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     Oh, and not much of a chance that a team with Davis gets routed by 30. His D alone is just too good to let that happen. He is a special defender. The Bobcats would trade their entire team (except for Gordon) to start over with Davis and Gordon and empty cap space. 

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  • #653731
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    DurantsWingspan

    Wouldn’t it be neat if somehow some team traded like their whole team to draft this whole Kentucky team? Would this team be able to be a good NBA team after a few years progression?

    C Anthony Davis

    PF Terrence Jones

    SF MKG

    SG Doron Lamb

    PG Teague

    and Darius Miller and Kyle Wiltjer off the bench.

    If you were to add in some bench players to fill in the roster do you think this team would be a good team if it was somehow possible? I think this would be a great team and that they would even be better for playing together for so long? Would it be possible?

    Lets see. Davis is the first pick, MKG is probably 2nd or 3rd. Jones is ranked mid-first right now and Teague late-first. Lamb late-first. Miller early-2nd. If Wiltjer came out he would be 2nd. So say a team like the Bobcats get the 1st pick. Take Davis. Trade Kemba and Biyombo for the 3rd pick. Then trade say a D.J. Augustin for the 16th and pick up Jones. Trade a few other players on your roster to aquire the picks nessescary in the late 1st and 2nd round. I better go play some 2K later hah.

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  • #653741
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    I think Kentucky can definitley beat the best D-League team. D-League competition really is not as good as it should be. Most of the players who don’t go drafted go overseas it seems.

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