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  • #40821
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    mikeyvthedon
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    2012 NBA Draft: Barnes remains an option for Cavs at No. 4

     

    By Jason Lloyd
    Beacon Journal sports writer

     
    North Carolina’s Harrison Barnes is guarded by North Carolina State’s Thomas de Thaey (13) during the second half of an NCAA college basketball game in Raleigh, N.C. (AP Photo/Gerry Broome)
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    Once the lottery was complete and the Cavaliers learned they were selecting fourth in Thursday’s draft, Harrison Barnes immediately became the obvious choice linked to the team most often. And why not?

    The Cavs were high on Barnes last year and probably would’ve taken him fourth had he entered the draft after his freshman season. He is friends with Kyrie Irving and the two have the same agent (Jeff Wechsler).

    Barnes is athletic and fills an immediate need for the Cavs, who have struggled to replace the massive hole left by LeBron James at small forward.

    But Barnes brings his own set of concerns. One NBA scout lamented how badly Barnes is handling the basketball, a concern that is nullified when Irving is on the floor. But there will be surely moments when Barnes is out there by himself, and he has shown no ability in two years of college to create off the dribble.

    No player in college basketball has been as scrutinized the last two years as Barnes, who entered North Carolina as the top-ranked freshman two years ago. He averaged 17.1 points as a sophomore after averaging 15.7 as a freshman and never seemed to meet lofty expectations.

    “You just learn to play through it,” Barnes said of the constant scrutiny. “Stay in the gym and work hard. The criticisms are there whether you’re playing well or not. You have to learn to play with that and be as professional as possible.”

    His strength and athleticism are obvious. His no-step vertical at the combine was 38 inches, the fourth-highest of all time. He bench-pressed 185 pounds 15 times to equal Thomas Robinson, the bull of a power forward also expected to go in the top five on Thursday.

    Barnes is still a lock to go in the top five, but he might not wind up with the Cavs.

    The Charlotte Bobcats are believed to be high on Barnes — keep in mind the Michael Jordan/North Carolina connection — but don’t want to take him second overall. That’s why so much speculation persists on the Cavs and Bobcats working a deal that would give the Cavaliers the No. 2 pick and access to anyone not named Anthony Davis, while the Bobcats would drop down two spots, still in position to take Barnes, and would presumably pick up the Cavs’ extra first-round pick (No. 24 overall).

    Off the court, Barnes is smooth and polished. He speaks well, seems thoughtful and appeared for media interviews at the combine wearing dress pants and a sweater while almost everyone else appeared in shorts and T-shirts. Barnes said he did it because this was a job interview and he was taking it seriously.

    Yet there is a narcissistic side to him as well, given his bizarre announcement to commit to North Carolina three years ago via Skype. The entire strange production was aired by ESPNU.

    Asked how he benefited from the extra year in college, Barnes said it helped him to mature.

    “Just spending another year getting to know the college game, being more independent and just growing up,” he said. “There’s not a better way to say it than just growing up as a person.”

    He said in college, he was surrounded by some of the nation’s top talent. He had one job, which was to score. The NBA game is more isolation plays, he said.

    “You have to change your game a little bit,” he said, “and play more of an NBA style.”

    How successful he is at doing that remains to be seen. There is still a chance he winds up with the Cavaliers, but it’s no longer the lock it seemed to be just a few weeks ago.

    http://www.ohio.com/news/top-stories/2012-nba-draft-barnes-remains-an-option-for-cavs-at-no-4-1.316244

    I have to admit, this sounds like a rumor that makes a lot of sense. Charlotte more than likely feels they can use Beal, the player the Cavs reportedly want, as leverage to get a player they want plus a little extra something. If they keep the pick, I think it will be Thomas Robinson, but I think this rumor sounds like something both teams would get down with. The rumor has been floating around the web and reported by CNNSI.com.

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  • #687338
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    Jordo
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    Yea I agree if the bobcats decide to keep the pick they probably would go with Robinson but if they wanted Barnes and the Cavs picks then this is something i could definetly happen. I guess it just depends on how much MJ values those late picks. 

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  • #687347
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    mikeyvthedon
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    Davis of course going first, Beal second, Washington taking Thomas Robinson (yes, I know they have a lot of PF’s. Yes, I still believe they take him should he be available) and than Harrison Barnes 4th. Here is another link with the possibility from the Charlotte Observer:

    http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/06/23/3337892/charlotte-bobcats-curtis-polk.html

    Just seems like something Charlotte might be involved in. Word is that they would want either #24 or the #33/34 combo, with Cleveland wanting to keep their other first round pick. Seeing that Bradley Beal is seen as a mortal lock at #3 to the Wizards, if the Cavs preferred Beal much more so than Harrison Barnes, this trade might make sense for them. It seems it is a distinct possibility this might be the case. Could be a smoke screen or the Cavs may not want to give up the picks necessary to move up, but I could see the Bobcats being a willing partner in this scenario.

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  • #687351
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     This would really suck for Washington because I believe they really want Beal.

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  • #687355
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    apb540
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    So the Cavs are really high on Harrison Barnes but they are going to draft him and trade him for someone else? 

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  • #687379
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    mikeyvthedon
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    When the two (Beal/Barnes) worked out against each other, Beal got the better of him according to Sam Amick of Sports Illustrated. This could mean that the Cavs elect to stay with Barnes, but they may like Beal enough to do some kind of deal to scoop him up at 2. 

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  • #687382
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    Andrew1984
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    Everything I’m hearing is the Cavs are doing everything they can get to get up to No. 2 to get Beal. He’s their “guy” and if it comes down it, they’ll probably be willing to part with No. 24 to do it.

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  • #687383
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     I don’t get why the Cavs would do it either if they are high on Barnes.

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  • #687389
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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    It works for both teams. The Cavs are high on Barnes, but Beal is a desperately needed shooting guard and allows for Alonzo Gee( 4yrs 16 mill) to remain with the team. The Cavs want 8 guys who can play and play well. Thats why I think they wont give up the 24 pick, they would have 2 first round picks in 5 straight years, if the Sacramento picks plays off in 2 years its only top 10 protected.

    (KI and TT in 11, 4 + 24 in 12, Cv’s + Heat or LAL  in 13, Cv’s + Sac in 14, Cv’s + Heat 15).

    Alonzo Gee would have to lose at least 10 pounds to play 30+ mins at shooting guard. Even though he can do it in spots he would lose the advantage of quickness and agility plus some power that he has on small forwards now. Getting Beal is like two for one. You get two guys that can play 30 minutes a night. Beal being a dynamite 30+. With Barnes, Gee’s ability and minutes somewhat compromised. Same can be said if they draft MGK or T. Rob. T. Rob reminds me so much of David West and even more physical. He thrived with Byron Scott. 

    I suspect that Wiz more down to the 7-9 range anf take Lamb, River or Ross if Beal is gone though. That Okafor/Ariza trade made taking anything other than a 2 guard a bad option.

    This is sure to be shot down but if Beal is gone I would call New Orleans and deal the 3 pick + something for Eric Gordon. The Wiz want to be sorta good now having all those veteran big men and the Hornets cant want to pay anyone close to max while their still rebuilding. Its said that the Hornets dont want more younger players but at the 3rd pick you can get a man like T.Rob or MKG. The Hornets would have 3 top 10 picks in a very deep draft. What team ever has been able to draft their big 3. Were talking Davis, MKG and either Rivers, Ross, Waitors, Lamb or Liliard.

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  • #687398
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    Andrew1984
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    Deez,

    The Hornets have made it abundantly clear that Eric Gordon is not going anywhere.

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  • #687393
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    Mikez
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    I personally hope the cavaliers don’t do this trade,  I would be much more satisfied with Barnes/MKG.  I don’t know if it has to do with the fact I’ve pushed myself into liking them, or if I just believe that the SG position is deeper in this draft.

    Dream Senerio would be at 4 take Barnes/MKG and at 24 take D. Lamb/Barton, or trade 24 + Varejao to move into the lottery to grab Rivers/J. Lamb. 

    In my opinion I don’t think Varejao will be healthy enough for when the Cavs are in playoff contention (2013-2014 Season) and right now is the time your going to get the best draft pick for him, because if you trade him in the middle of the year to a contender its outside the lottery, and you don’t know whose even in next years draft so its higher risk.

     

    edit: @Above post, Isn’t Eric Gordon a free agent, why trade for him?

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  • #687400
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    surve
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     I think I commented on this a couple of weeks ago, and someone else may have as well…because Charlotte is high on both, but Cleveland covets both perhaps even more.  Neither one of these guys gets past Cleveland.  Since Charlotte knows that, why not take Beal and deal him to Cleveland and get something extra?  Both fill great needs at Cleveland, but because Henderson is there, it makes it easier not to bring Beal on board.  The Cavs have always been high on Barnes, but as a player, they may favor Beal even if slightly.  So this makes all the sense in the world to me.

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  • #687404
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    TheArtistPaysthePrice
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    The Hornets dont want to move Gordon and do want to move the 10 pick. Gordon’s restricted rights cant be traded till July 1rst anyway, a few days after the draft. But if you could get Davis, MKG/TRob, and Lamb/Rivers or Liliard then I personally would let Gordon go. You would have 3 starters making less than 14 million a year combined while Gordon is going to get 11-15 himself. The C’s would take 3 and 10 for Rondo in a heartbeat. I wouldnt but if Ainge could get Rivers at 10 and one of those top 6 guys at 3, he definately would.

    Why is the Hornets trade that I prefaced with "its going to get shot down" the only part of the post that any comments are focused on?

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  • #687409
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    kngojc
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     For Cleveland, Beal is too good to pass up. They have an opportunity to solidify their backcourt for the next decade so that they can go after the other three positions later on and have no worries about their guards. With Barnes, he IS athletic but he doesn’t necessarily use that in his game. He needs a willing passer in order to really thrive, which conveniently Irving is more so than Kemba Walker. This is Irving’s team but having Beal playing running mate with him takes a lot of pressure on him as a player and also a shooter if ever he isn’t knocking his shots down, he can defer to someone else who can create for themselves and be trusted to knock down any shot. I watched the video of the Wizards doing the "7 Drill" with Austin Rivers and then Beal… Rivers is a great shooter but that drill put them WORLDS apart. 

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  • #687410
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     Even if the Cavs do a trade for Beal I hope they don’t trade the 24# or any other pick, the drop off between Beal and Barnes I don’t feel is that far. Definitely not worth giving up another first round pick atleast. Woulnd’t mind Beal, prefer more picks though. Good trade for the Bobcats though.

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  • #687426
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    surve
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    "Even if the Cavs do a trade for Beal I hope they don’t trade the 24# or any other pick"

    thats the thing, the Cavs are not in the drivers seat, if Charlotte wants that 24th pick, then the Cavs either chit or get off the pot.  the Bobcats like Barnes so they can just pick him 2nd and be done with it… and the Cavs will have to make a deal with Wash or at the very least hope Wash doesnt pick Beal.  if they do, they still may have to give up the 24th pick for essentially the 3rd pick, so why give away even more leverage?

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