[FuqdatassParticipant]

 Snubs: Brandon McCoy, Trevon Duval, Rawle Alkins, Allonzo Trier, Gary Clark, and Wenyen Gabriel.

I wouldn’t have drafted: Devon Hall, Ray Spalding, George King, Tony Carr, Vincent Edwards, Alize Johnson, and Thomas Welsh. 

 

[SeattleSuperChronicsParticipant]

 GELO

[Andv1 WaitingParticipant]

 Instead we took a big who is has had a ACL injury and a guard who I have never of heard of …Both of the write up about them is kind of average… I am sure Billy D could have used Rawle like he did Dion Waiters…

Kind of makes me wonder if their is a injury concern :S. Who knows though maybe just maybe we could pick him up for our summer league team..

 

[Dog_ShammdogParticipant]

Tbh, I’d take Hervey over Alkins unless he wasn’t healthy. Hervey is 6’7" with a 7’3", solid athleticism he may still be getting back, a feathery jumper with beyond NBA range, and just a knack for scoring the ball. He has the potential to play small ball 4 and can contribute as a spot up shooter from day 1. I thought they should’ve gone after a defensive stopper just in case Roberson doesn’t return to form, and I don’t doubt that they picked Hervey to fill in for him as he’s recovering from injury. 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 B O N Z I E C O L S O N !

[Robb_CParticipant]

 Gary Clark for me! Clark plays really hard, I believe he makes a roster.

[CoachWyersParticipant]

 I was surprised that Thomas Welsh and George King were drafted didn’t see them on any mocks. 

Thought these guys were going to get drafted for sure so surprised the fell out of draft and will be interested to see who gets them for Summer League:  Rawle Alkins, Kenrich Williams, Trevon Duvall.

 

  

[OhCanada-Participant]

Brandon Mccoy
Trevon Duval
Rawle Alkins
Allonzo Trier
Bonzie Colson
Wenyen Gabriel
Dikembe Dixon
Deng Adel
Terry Larrier
Matur Maker
Billy Preston
Tyler Davis
Jaylen Adams
Jo Lual-Acuil
Justin Bibbs
Ajdin Penava
Angel Delgado
DJ Hogg
Jonathan Williams
Theo Pinson
Gary Clark
Bryant Crawford
Doral Moore
Kaiser Gates
Obi Enechionyia
Brandon Sampson
Nate Mason
Drew Eubanks
Corey Sanders
Isaac Haas
Yankuba Sima

[brodiejayParticipant]

 Just a quick FYI- Matur Maker withdrew from the draft.

As an Aussie NBA fan, I wasn’t expecting any of our guys to be drafted, even though a couple were probably close.

I’m now hoping one or two of the following guys can follow in the undrafted footsteps of Aron Baynes, Matty Dellevadova, and Joe Ingles:

-Deng Adel

-Jo Lual-Acuil

-Jock Landale

-Emmett Naar

-Isaac Humphries

-Mitch Creek

-Ryan Broekhoff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[celtics1982Participant]

 I really like Alkins, Duval, Trier, Williams, Colson, Preston, and McCoy. All of them would be great fits for 2 way contracts for the Celtics.

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Dakota Mathias may get signed by the Toronto Raptors at least for Raptors 905. He had an amazing workout with them. His conditioning was elite and he couldnt miss shooting. 

[RUDEBOY-Participant]

 Mathis signed a training camp deal with Cavs. Rawle Alkins signed similar deal with Raptors. I’m surprised Alkins and Duval went undrafted. 

[cominup7Participant]

 Brandon McCoy must have bombed all his workouts.

Trevon Duval I’m surprised wasn’t at least a 2nd rd flier, DET could use him for sure

 

[timinator1Participant]

he had big games in the tournament and looked like a solid 2nd rounder.

Disappointed Trevon Duval didn’t stay in school one more year.

  

[Lotto StudParticipant]

 Duval chose the wrong school from the jump. He is a scorer that became a pass-first point guard in Duke’s system.

[cominup7Participant]

If you’re a guard who can’t shoot, you won’t be able to fit into Duke’s system. 

[llperez]

glad thomas welsh got drafted. Hes a legit 7 footer who got a lot stronger down low as his career went along at ucla. He put up 11 rpg this past year and did good job not getting pushed around. On offense he is a stretch shooter who made 45 threes this past year on 40% shooting. Very worth a late pick to give him a chance.

[weballin.netParticipant]

I would go with Duval, Alkins, Clark, Penava and McCoy

Duval and Alkins have what it takes to make a team and maybe become solid NBA players. Alkins reminds me a lot of Stephenson and was ina team where he wasn’t the first or second option. Duval has an high ceiling. Clark and Penava are rock solid players whith Penava having the versatility to become a very efficient player, and maybe a starter. McCoy, whether you like it or not, haveraged almost 20 and 10 as a freshman and had his best showing against the number one pick, he deserved better than that…

http://www.weballin.net

 

 

 

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Duval isn’t an NBA player. He’s a good, no t great athlete who got by in HS by being bigger and longer than everyone else. He can’t shoot, doesn’t have the handle or burst to get by his man, mediocre vision…. He literally does nothing at the pro level. 

Trier could be a 3&D guy off the bench, but maybe the PED thing scared teams away.

Napkins is kind of surprising, as I see a smaller, way more athletic Lance Stephenson/Draymond Green in him. He also did really well at the combine. Could easily see him on an opening day roster.

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Napkins = Alkins. What an odd autocorrect. 

[kikikikiParticipant]

 Napkins-Hilarious what a great nickname! Outstanding work!

[FuqdatassParticipant]

 Has very good ball-handling skills, is very athletic, is a solid defender, and his assist to turnover ratio wasn’t too bad.

I would have easily taken him in the second round to see if can improve his shooting and polish his game management skills and defense. 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Did you watch him in college? He couldn’t get by anyone, struggled finishing around the rim, couldn’t hit open shots…. He’s a dude who got by on length, not burst or bounce, and as he went up against similar athletes he struggled. He has nothing for NBA players.

[celtics1982Participant]

 He’s raw and Dukes offense wasn’t a fit. Your making him sound like he’s not an elite athlete and he is. Just look at the athletic testing numbers. He would have looked a lot better in an offense were he was the man, not the 5th man like at Duke.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Quite a bit, and have seen him up close. Those numbers are fudged. He measured 6’2.5" in shoes with an almost 6’9" wingspan but only had an 8’2" standing reach, which is physically impossible. You can subtract a good 4" off his vert and add it to his reach. He’ll go to the D-league and either work on his game or disappear. Either way, he’s not an NBA player right now.

[celtics1982Participant]

 The numbers aren’t fudged. Almost every player that is about his  his size and wingspan is right around that standing reach. So how are they fudged? You get different body types means different standing reaches right? Some guys have wide shoulders,  some are narrow. So wingspan to standing reach could differ. Nevermind his high school scouting reports match his numbers elite athlete.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 That’s not how that works, my man. Also, if you watched him miss open dunks and get bottled up in traffic you’d realize that his athleticism is anything but "elite".

[celtics1982Participant]

 They litterally line up the players, have them reach up. Get there standing reach. Set the bar, then have them do a straight jump and a moving one. Please explain how his standing reach isn’t possible? Its litterally the same for Alkins and Brown who are almost the exact same size. I just think you have no clue how the test are done, like he lied about his standing reach to make his numbers look better. That’s not how it works.  What does missing dunks have to do with being a great athlete? Great athletes miss dunks all the time.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Brother, I played and now coach and run a strength program for a high school. He and they tucked their shoulder blades to shorten their reach to make their verts appear higher. It happens literally several times a year. Again, if he were as athletic as you think it would’ve shown up in workouts and he would’ve gotten drafted. This isn’t rocket science. 

[celtics1982Participant]

 On how his standing reach is physically impossible like you said.  Your best reason is tricks high school players use. Show me a scouting report that doesn’t say Duval is a great athlete. You can hate him, but your just making stuff up at this point. He’s very raw, but an elite athlete, Fact!

[whiteflashParticipant]

 What? Use your head, man. Like I wrote, people do it every year. This year at least a few people did it, including Duval and Trent. There’s actually been several reports that he’s an overrated athlete. Elite athlete’s get drafted, a la Zhaire Smith. 

[Kwame33Participant]

 Just out of curiosity. Are you saying his wingspan or standing reach is incorrect?

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Standing reach. He’s got a massive wingspan for his size but according to his pre-draft measurements a barely average standing reach, which makes no sense. People tuck their reach all the time to inflate their verts. Donovan Mitchell, Pat Conoughtan, Justin Anderson…. just to name a few all did it. It’s an incredibly common "trick".

[celtics1982Participant]

 Is basically the exact same size and has the same standing reach. Next your going to say he’s not an elite athlete either. Yet I’ve watched him play for years and he’s an elite athlete.

For some reason you think everyone cheats. Okay, whatever you just don’t get it.

Duvals standing reach is litterally what it should be, every player around his size is right there. If your going to follow that up with everyone does it. Okay then he’s still an elite athlete. Show me example of players his size with a huge standing reach?

 

 

[whiteflashParticipant]

 Dennis Smith Jr is an elite athlete. Nate Robinson is an elite athlete. Terry Rozier is a good athlete. There’s a massive difference. I’m starting to realize you’re either very young or don’t know much about sports. Or both. I’m done responding. 

[celtics1982Participant]

 Terry Rozier is elite, an athlete in Basketball with over a 40” vertical is elite, as long as they also test out well in the other tests, like quickness. Dennis Smith Jr. is tied for the all-time best. The guys super elite as they come, once a generation type player, matching the great MJ.

Robinson had a 43.5” verticle, which is like top 6th all-time. The word elite doesn’t mean best all time in scouting. That’s your problem you don’t know what scouts consider elite. Hence why you don’t believe scouting reports,even when they all say the samething.

 

 

[OhCanada-Participant]

 Having an extra 4" on your standing reach is more valuable then having an extra 4" on your vert. The majority of the game is played on the court not in the air.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 I actually agree with you, but he’s still unable to translate it. If ANYONE thought he’d be able to contribute, he’d have been drafted. There’s really not much else to say.

[celtics1982Participant]

 Signed him ASAP, so yea everyone thinks he’s useless. You know because theres never been all star talent that went undrafted, oh wait there has been. From drafts not even close to this deep.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 And he’ll go straight to the D-league if he even makes the team, bet on it.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 By the way, Jahii Carson (who’s an actual elite athlete) was signed by Houston a couple of years ago, played for their SL team, and wound up in…. Australia. 

[celtics1982Participant]

 So yea I bet he goes to D league, that doesn’t mean he can’t become a good player down the road. There was a reason he was a top 10 recruit last year.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 That means nothing. I can give you at least ten top 10 recruits over the last few years who didn’t pan out. Not sure why you’re so set on Duval being some elite athlete and prospect. You can believe what you like, but he’s just not.

[celtics1982Participant]

 You can’t debate if he’s a great athlete,  yet you keep trying. You hate him, so you just think he sucks. Maybe he becomes nothing, good chance that happens. That doesn’t mean he’s not a great athlete and hence the type of guy I want as a two way contract player.

[whiteflashParticipant]

 I’m an adult. I also don’t know him personally. I don’t "hate" him, nor do I think he sucks. I’m just pointing out that he’s an overrated athlete who doesn’t have a definable NBA skill. Hell, I hope he does make it. Don’t wish failure on anyone. But, I can make an objective analysis based off of what I’ve seen, which is what I’ve been doing.

[celtics1982Participant]

 You said his numbers are fudged and physically impossible, when they match literally every player that is about 6’2” with a 6’8” wingspan in the history of the combine. You litterally didn’t see his workout, yet claim its fudged and he did some high school trick that you did back in the day. There is nothing objective about that at all.

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