[dudo670Participant]

 I’m sick of listening to the media make excuse after excuse for him. What else can I say? He’s overrated. As a Sixers fan, I read the different websites and see all these people talk about how its easily him over Ingram. And they use stats to back their arguments up because in raw stats he is better than Ingram in every stat – except shooting. However, I’m not claiming to be a basketball expert, because I am not, but none of these people know anything about basketball.

You can average 19-12-5 and whatever else per 40 minutes and have no impact on wins and losses. The goal in the NBA is to win games. To win games, you need to score and prevent the other team from scoring. Well, for starters, not only can Simmons not shoot, but he has lacks the confidence to even try to shoot jumpers! At this point he’s probably the most polished player in transition, but in the halfcourt offense he can’t shoot and that is going to severly limit his playmaking ability in the NBA. For all the people saying he can be the point guard, he would just be the 6’10" Rajon Rondo, with some ability to play in the post.

Defensively, he put up 2.3 steals/40 and .9 blocks/40 (is what these stats guys will tell you). However, I’ll manipulate those stats right back at the analytics community. A guy who doesn’t even block 1 shot per 40 minutes cannot play the 4 or the 5 in the NBA. Even with the stretch fours and all. A guy who averages 2.3 steals/40 should certainly be able to play perimeter defense, but here’s the problem. Simmons has short arms (6’10" with a 7′ wingspan) and lacks elite lateral quickness. This wouldn’t be that much of a problem, but when you combine that with his questionable motor, who knows what kind of defense this guy will provide.

As I watched him throughout the season, he seemed to regress as the year went on. However, even at his best, he did not make guys like Tim Quarterman and Antonio Blakeney better players, which is one of his supposed strengths (That he makes teammates better). For all the crazy people even trying to hint at Lebron and Magic comparisons, Magic as a 19 year old carried a Michigan State team with two other decent but not near all-star level pros to the national title. If Lebron had’ve gone to Ohio State in 2003-2004, the Buckeyes might’ve won the entire thing. Ben Simmons puts up all these great numbers in college, but he has a much less effect on wins and losses than the numbers indicate.

I’m still not a huge Ingram guy, but I would take Ingram as a late bloomer with a jump shot over Simmons. Personally, as a Sixers fan, I think best case scenario would be to trade the pick, Okafor, and some other picks for a Paul George or Jimmy Butler or John Wall but I don’t see why those teams would accept. To top off, if Embiid is healthy, Simmons can’t play with him on offense, and don’t even get me started with best player available – the NBA draft is a crapshoot – who the hell knows who the BPA is unless we’re talking a Towns or Embiid or AD where it is 150,000% obvious.

 

 

 

[stealsgaloreParticipant]

I think it all comes down to motivation with Simmons. He didn’t want to be at LSU, he did that as a favor to family friends because he had to wait a year before entering the draft. Plus their coach is not very good and the talent around him wasn’t great (I don’t see any other pros on that roster) Personally I think Simmons wants to be great at the NBA level and I think he will work hard to be great. A jump shot is not easy to fix but it is something that can be fixed and improved. Other things he has (vision, athleticism, size, etc.) cannot be improved like shooting. I’d say he has the highest ceiling of any prospect in the draft just based on the special tools he has.

Also I enjoy the comparison to Rajon Rondo as an insult. I’d take a 6’10” Rondo with post up ability on my team any day.

[kobyzParticipant]

 You being like the media making exuces for him, i don’t buy he didn’t wanted be there for his bad habits and things he show, he just have bad mentality and bad approach to the game and that a question mark for drafting him number 1, I’m with op here…

[kobyzParticipant]

 You being like the media making exuces for him, i don’t buy he didn’t wanted be there for his bad habits and things he show, he just have bad mentality and bad approach to the game and that a question mark for drafting him number 1, I’m with op here…

[dudo670Participant]

 Out of the handful of replies, no one has refuted anything I said. One person tried to, but all he did was grab Simmons stats and my point was that the stats don’t tell the whole story. Certainly, Ben Simmons has enough talent at the college level to fill up the statsheet. However, people say that his teammates weren’t good, but then say that one of Ben Simmons’ strengths is that he makes his teammates better… so which one is it? They couldn’t make the NCAA tournament in the worst power conference? Its not like he was playing for Virginia Tech in a tougher league with mediocre talent, Blakeney was a 5* recruit and there were some other decent players. Statistically, the only flaw in his game you’ll find is shooting. But the game isn’t played on paper. There are so many things in a basketball game that don’t show up in the boxscore, and while Simmons is good at some of them (namely running the break, drawing defenders in for kickouts), he failed to play consistent man-to-man defense and overall have a large enough effect on wins and losses. These wouldn’t be as much of a concern if Simmons had a high motor and proved he was competitive, but he didn’t, and the media continues to keep making excuse after excuse.

 

 Also, to the guy who said I’ll take a 6’10" Rondo on my team all day, maybe you would, but we’re talking the #1 pick in the draft here. You’re not drafting for a quality starter. You’re drafting for a franchise changer. I don’t think Ingram is a franchise changer, but there’s only a few of those guys in the league. If Ben Simmons was that good, GMs would be lined up at Bryan Colangelo’s door offering up proven stars for the rights to draft Ben Simmons. As far as I know, the Sixers would love to trade the rights to Ben Simmons for Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but why would Larry Bird or Gar Forman trade a proven star for a guy who is far from a lock to be a star? 

 

[dudo670Participant]

 Out of the handful of replies, no one has refuted anything I said. One person tried to, but all he did was grab Simmons stats and my point was that the stats don’t tell the whole story. Certainly, Ben Simmons has enough talent at the college level to fill up the statsheet. However, people say that his teammates weren’t good, but then say that one of Ben Simmons’ strengths is that he makes his teammates better… so which one is it? They couldn’t make the NCAA tournament in the worst power conference? Its not like he was playing for Virginia Tech in a tougher league with mediocre talent, Blakeney was a 5* recruit and there were some other decent players. Statistically, the only flaw in his game you’ll find is shooting. But the game isn’t played on paper. There are so many things in a basketball game that don’t show up in the boxscore, and while Simmons is good at some of them (namely running the break, drawing defenders in for kickouts), he failed to play consistent man-to-man defense and overall have a large enough effect on wins and losses. These wouldn’t be as much of a concern if Simmons had a high motor and proved he was competitive, but he didn’t, and the media continues to keep making excuse after excuse.

 

 Also, to the guy who said I’ll take a 6’10" Rondo on my team all day, maybe you would, but we’re talking the #1 pick in the draft here. You’re not drafting for a quality starter. You’re drafting for a franchise changer. I don’t think Ingram is a franchise changer, but there’s only a few of those guys in the league. If Ben Simmons was that good, GMs would be lined up at Bryan Colangelo’s door offering up proven stars for the rights to draft Ben Simmons. As far as I know, the Sixers would love to trade the rights to Ben Simmons for Paul George or Jimmy Butler, but why would Larry Bird or Gar Forman trade a proven star for a guy who is far from a lock to be a star? 

 

[stealsgaloreParticipant]

Yes the first overall pick is someone you want to be a franchise changer. If that is the case then Ben Simmons gives you the best chance to be that franchise changer. I think his passing is a special talent, perhaps even a franchise changing one and I think his potential in all other areas is why he is the likely number 1 pick.

However I wouldn’t say he’s overrated. GM’s can only look at potential when drafting, there is no sure thing coming out of college. It is well documented the players everyone thought were locks for HOF careers and didn’t pan out. GM’s can’t draft the players as is with no potential or improvement in mind. They take all the positives and negatives for each player and try to project based on potential and how that player will develop in the NBA.

I think all your negative points are valid and I think GM’s and scouts saw that and it closed the gap between him and the rest of the prospects. However I think the positives and potential of Simmons far outweigh the negatives. Ingram had a special year and closed the gap more based on his merits. But its hard to say Simmons is overrated because we haven’t seen him play in the NBA yet. So you, me, and everyone else are rating him on what he could potentially be. And he could potentially be a top 5-10 NBA player.

[stealsgaloreParticipant]

Yes the first overall pick is someone you want to be a franchise changer. If that is the case then Ben Simmons gives you the best chance to be that franchise changer. I think his passing is a special talent, perhaps even a franchise changing one and I think his potential in all other areas is why he is the likely number 1 pick.

However I wouldn’t say he’s overrated. GM’s can only look at potential when drafting, there is no sure thing coming out of college. It is well documented the players everyone thought were locks for HOF careers and didn’t pan out. GM’s can’t draft the players as is with no potential or improvement in mind. They take all the positives and negatives for each player and try to project based on potential and how that player will develop in the NBA.

I think all your negative points are valid and I think GM’s and scouts saw that and it closed the gap between him and the rest of the prospects. However I think the positives and potential of Simmons far outweigh the negatives. Ingram had a special year and closed the gap more based on his merits. But its hard to say Simmons is overrated because we haven’t seen him play in the NBA yet. So you, me, and everyone else are rating him on what he could potentially be. And he could potentially be a top 5-10 NBA player.

[UncledrewParticipant]

 Not to discredit your opinion because you made some very solid points I agree with but I also noticed you got plus 25 and that’s when I had to say….draft.net is full of jock riders I’ve seen many solid post that have been negged to death and I read your simple post and it’s plus 25. Not hating cause I never have been one but this site is full of fanboys waiting for the next ban wagon to jump on.

 

[UncledrewParticipant]

 Not to discredit your opinion because you made some very solid points I agree with but I also noticed you got plus 25 and that’s when I had to say….draft.net is full of jock riders I’ve seen many solid post that have been negged to death and I read your simple post and it’s plus 25. Not hating cause I never have been one but this site is full of fanboys waiting for the next ban wagon to jump on.

 

[stealsgaloreParticipant]

I think it all comes down to motivation with Simmons. He didn’t want to be at LSU, he did that as a favor to family friends because he had to wait a year before entering the draft. Plus their coach is not very good and the talent around him wasn’t great (I don’t see any other pros on that roster) Personally I think Simmons wants to be great at the NBA level and I think he will work hard to be great. A jump shot is not easy to fix but it is something that can be fixed and improved. Other things he has (vision, athleticism, size, etc.) cannot be improved like shooting. I’d say he has the highest ceiling of any prospect in the draft just based on the special tools he has.

Also I enjoy the comparison to Rajon Rondo as an insult. I’d take a 6’10” Rondo with post up ability on my team any day.

[markfitz14Participant]

 He’s still going #1

[markfitz14Participant]

 He’s still going #1

[jrblazeParticipant]

 19.2 PPG 11RPG 4APG on a low motor…

His shot is not broken, he’ll get that with time. Look what the analysis was on kawhi leonard:

His jumpshot (while definitely improved) is still very inconsistent … The release comes high off his head and it is somewhat of a sling motion, which results in a fairly flat shot that goes all over the place …

 

 

[jrblazeParticipant]

 19.2 PPG 11RPG 4APG on a low motor…

His shot is not broken, he’ll get that with time. Look what the analysis was on kawhi leonard:

His jumpshot (while definitely improved) is still very inconsistent … The release comes high off his head and it is somewhat of a sling motion, which results in a fairly flat shot that goes all over the place …

 

 

[GronounoursParticipant]

 It’s easy to find young players with a bad jumper who improved it mightily with work. But it’s equally easy to find players who never managed to shoot. Anecdotes make bad reasoning.

[GronounoursParticipant]

 It’s easy to find young players with a bad jumper who improved it mightily with work. But it’s equally easy to find players who never managed to shoot. Anecdotes make bad reasoning.

[King CaluchaParticipant]

There are players who average more than 1bpg and aren’t good defensively…

[King CaluchaParticipant]

There are players who average more than 1bpg and aren’t good defensively…

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Andre Drummond would be an example. While not a terrible defender, he certainly doesn’t protect the paint like someone his height and athletic ability should. Still he averages over a block a game.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Andre Drummond would be an example. While not a terrible defender, he certainly doesn’t protect the paint like someone his height and athletic ability should. Still he averages over a block a game.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 My take is, he used to be overrated, but now he’s getting to the point of being criminally underrated. We need to look at who some of the comparisons are coming from. If Stephen A Smith made a LeBron comparison, I’d ignore it. But Magic Johnson compared him to LeBron. That makes me pay attention. I don’t think he will be a LeBron level talent, but you can’t do what he did in a season of college basketball without being a damn fine basketball player. Do ball players improve from college or are they finished products? Perhaps Ben needs to learn better leadership skills, maybe even needs to pull his head in a bit and stop believing the hype. But you don’t not pick him #1 just because of that. Dude can ball. If Colangelo doesn’t pick him #1 he’ll be out of a job in a year.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 My take is, he used to be overrated, but now he’s getting to the point of being criminally underrated. We need to look at who some of the comparisons are coming from. If Stephen A Smith made a LeBron comparison, I’d ignore it. But Magic Johnson compared him to LeBron. That makes me pay attention. I don’t think he will be a LeBron level talent, but you can’t do what he did in a season of college basketball without being a damn fine basketball player. Do ball players improve from college or are they finished products? Perhaps Ben needs to learn better leadership skills, maybe even needs to pull his head in a bit and stop believing the hype. But you don’t not pick him #1 just because of that. Dude can ball. If Colangelo doesn’t pick him #1 he’ll be out of a job in a year.

[dudo670Participant]

 be out of a job in a year no matter what, he’s got neopotism at his side and even if Jerry left, there’s no way Harris cans him (I personally am not a BC fan). However, Magic also said Kobe’s the greatest Laker ever. There’s no way Magic actually thinks Kobe is a better player than himself. Just because Magic compares Simmons to Lebron doesn’t mean he thinks he’ll be as good. Simmons is much closer to Lamar Odom than he is Lebron James, but everyone wants to see the next great thing so people create hype. I don’t think Simmons will be bad like Mike Beasley, I just don’t think he’s a franchise changer. That’s ok but I’m just sick of the media pretending like he’s the next Lebron or Magic when he is not. That’s why I’d love to see the Sixers trade the pick for a proven player, but no teams with a proven player want the #1 pick this year because they know there’s a lot of uncertainty with Simmons or Ingram.

[dudo670Participant]

 be out of a job in a year no matter what, he’s got neopotism at his side and even if Jerry left, there’s no way Harris cans him (I personally am not a BC fan). However, Magic also said Kobe’s the greatest Laker ever. There’s no way Magic actually thinks Kobe is a better player than himself. Just because Magic compares Simmons to Lebron doesn’t mean he thinks he’ll be as good. Simmons is much closer to Lamar Odom than he is Lebron James, but everyone wants to see the next great thing so people create hype. I don’t think Simmons will be bad like Mike Beasley, I just don’t think he’s a franchise changer. That’s ok but I’m just sick of the media pretending like he’s the next Lebron or Magic when he is not. That’s why I’d love to see the Sixers trade the pick for a proven player, but no teams with a proven player want the #1 pick this year because they know there’s a lot of uncertainty with Simmons or Ingram.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I was exaggerating with the out in one year crack, but you get my point. I know Magic doesn’t think Simmons is as good as LeBron, but the fact he bothered to make the comparison in the first place speaks volumes. Simmons is definitely a tier below those mega superstars, but I think he has the talent to be a superstar in his own right. Having said that, no one knows what the future brings. He could reach his potential or he could flame out like Beasley. I just think the hype train has turned because Simmons has now been over analysed and he’s becoming underrated. He is hands down the best talent in the draft. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 I was exaggerating with the out in one year crack, but you get my point. I know Magic doesn’t think Simmons is as good as LeBron, but the fact he bothered to make the comparison in the first place speaks volumes. Simmons is definitely a tier below those mega superstars, but I think he has the talent to be a superstar in his own right. Having said that, no one knows what the future brings. He could reach his potential or he could flame out like Beasley. I just think the hype train has turned because Simmons has now been over analysed and he’s becoming underrated. He is hands down the best talent in the draft. 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 He’s going number one regardless of fit or lack of a jumpshot. You should start looking at his upside and tools he already has as oppose to looking at his flaws. No player entering the draft is a complete player. 

[DanielcmccartyParticipant]

 He’s going number one regardless of fit or lack of a jumpshot. You should start looking at his upside and tools he already has as oppose to looking at his flaws. No player entering the draft is a complete player. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 @JRblaze…you conveniently left out the part about Leonard being a tireless worker with a sponge-like approach to getting better. He’s like the anti-NBA star because he doesn’t give a rats ass about being a star…he just wants to be great. 

That doesnt seem like Simmons at all. He seems very into himself and "his brand"…and more power to him if he wants to be that way. Kid will make a lot of money in his lifetime because of it I’m sure. But is that the guy you want leading your franchise? 

People say he dogged it becaue he didnt want to be at LSU…umm, he signed with LSU under his own power. Do people think he wants to be on a crappy NBA team? Compared to LSU, the 76ers and Lakers are awful. LSU had 5-star players around him and played in a crappy D1 conference. 

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 @JRblaze…you conveniently left out the part about Leonard being a tireless worker with a sponge-like approach to getting better. He’s like the anti-NBA star because he doesn’t give a rats ass about being a star…he just wants to be great. 

That doesnt seem like Simmons at all. He seems very into himself and "his brand"…and more power to him if he wants to be that way. Kid will make a lot of money in his lifetime because of it I’m sure. But is that the guy you want leading your franchise? 

People say he dogged it becaue he didnt want to be at LSU…umm, he signed with LSU under his own power. Do people think he wants to be on a crappy NBA team? Compared to LSU, the 76ers and Lakers are awful. LSU had 5-star players around him and played in a crappy D1 conference. 

 

 

[The GoatParticipant]

 There are a lot of 6’10" 240lb players that play traditional 4 man roles with no range.  Many have had great NBA careers.  Hes only 1-2inches shorter and 30lb lighter than Derrick Favors and Dwight Howard  and hes only 19. Hes Olajuwons size. Averaging near 20-10 at age 19 would shape most as lottery picks or at least a first rounder. Simmons also has elite abilities to run the floor, handle the floor and pass. That makes him #1. The negative talk on his jumper is driven by the media. If he took jumpers at LSU, he’d be ripped for being lazy and questioned why he doesnt always take his man to the rim. 

[The GoatParticipant]

 There are a lot of 6’10" 240lb players that play traditional 4 man roles with no range.  Many have had great NBA careers.  Hes only 1-2inches shorter and 30lb lighter than Derrick Favors and Dwight Howard  and hes only 19. Hes Olajuwons size. Averaging near 20-10 at age 19 would shape most as lottery picks or at least a first rounder. Simmons also has elite abilities to run the floor, handle the floor and pass. That makes him #1. The negative talk on his jumper is driven by the media. If he took jumpers at LSU, he’d be ripped for being lazy and questioned why he doesnt always take his man to the rim. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 No he’s already being ripped for being lazy. The lack of a jump shot is a seperate question on its own. 

The media doe plenty of pumping up on Ben Simmons…hence the LeBron-like coverage he received despite being on a mediocre college team. His jumper is a weakness. Everyone has weaknesses and your right, if that was his only weakness, he’d be a fine No. 1 pick. 

The question isn’t his talent. It is can he not be a turd. Is he going to work hard? Is he going to elevate his teammates? Is he going to do the things that help teams win? Is he going to be a guy who one day has his coach fired? Is he going to be a guy that wants to pick all of his teammates? These are questions I have and ones that I don’t think I’d like the answers to, therfor I wouldn’t take him No. 1. 

Don’t like his jump shot, so that helps the decision, but I don’t like the diva personality. I can live with a guy who needs some maintanence, but Simmons strikes me as a guy who will eventually be a legit distraction. 

 

 

 

[ChoppyParticipant]

All the things you’re ripping Simmons for, LeBron is/has done.

Being a turd – "I’m taking my talents to South Beach!"

Getting coach fired – bye bye Mike Brown, Seeya David Blatt.

Picking his teammates – LeBron wanted Love at the Cavs. How many years did he drag the corpse of Mike Miller around Weekend at Bernies style?

Lack of jumpshot – many people questioned whether LeBron would ever be a good 3pt shooter

Is LeBron a distraction for doing all the things you question Simmons for? Would that have stopped you drafting LeBron #1? My guess is no. You don’t pass up talent like that for those concerns. It’s not like he’s a Boogie Cousins head case. Any GM that would pass on Simmons for those reasons isn’t going to be a GM for long. 

[negguaryParticipant]

Lebron showed he was willing to at least shoot though!!! Stop it, I watched at least 15 Ben simmons games this year and can count literally on two hands how many times he shot the ball, and can count on one how many he made.

[negguaryParticipant]

Lebron showed he was willing to at least shoot though!!! Stop it, I watched at least 15 Ben simmons games this year and can count literally on two hands how many times he shot the ball, and can count on one how many he made.

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Well what are your thoughts on all the other points of comparison I wrote? Where in my post was I saying he was a good shooter? All I did was compare Simmons and LeBron in reply to the previous poster (mostly not even on basetball ability) and the one thing you pick out was something I didn’t even say in that post. Look, I get that you’re not a fan and that the fickle mass of public hysteria has turned against Simmons at this point, but when someone offers a different point of view to yours, stop trying to see what isn’t there.

For the record though, based on his ability to shoot free throws (usually a strong correlation) I believe he will develop at least a 15-20ft jumper. In college he could get to the rim and score easily (19 ppg will attest to that) so why would he bother shooting jumpers when that is an acknowledged weakness? All it would do is drop his draft stock. For Simmons, college was only about getting drafted. Now comes his development. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

 Well what are your thoughts on all the other points of comparison I wrote? Where in my post was I saying he was a good shooter? All I did was compare Simmons and LeBron in reply to the previous poster (mostly not even on basetball ability) and the one thing you pick out was something I didn’t even say in that post. Look, I get that you’re not a fan and that the fickle mass of public hysteria has turned against Simmons at this point, but when someone offers a different point of view to yours, stop trying to see what isn’t there.

For the record though, based on his ability to shoot free throws (usually a strong correlation) I believe he will develop at least a 15-20ft jumper. In college he could get to the rim and score easily (19 ppg will attest to that) so why would he bother shooting jumpers when that is an acknowledged weakness? All it would do is drop his draft stock. For Simmons, college was only about getting drafted. Now comes his development. 

[ChoppyParticipant]

All the things you’re ripping Simmons for, LeBron is/has done.

Being a turd – "I’m taking my talents to South Beach!"

Getting coach fired – bye bye Mike Brown, Seeya David Blatt.

Picking his teammates – LeBron wanted Love at the Cavs. How many years did he drag the corpse of Mike Miller around Weekend at Bernies style?

Lack of jumpshot – many people questioned whether LeBron would ever be a good 3pt shooter

Is LeBron a distraction for doing all the things you question Simmons for? Would that have stopped you drafting LeBron #1? My guess is no. You don’t pass up talent like that for those concerns. It’s not like he’s a Boogie Cousins head case. Any GM that would pass on Simmons for those reasons isn’t going to be a GM for long. 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 No he’s already being ripped for being lazy. The lack of a jump shot is a seperate question on its own. 

The media doe plenty of pumping up on Ben Simmons…hence the LeBron-like coverage he received despite being on a mediocre college team. His jumper is a weakness. Everyone has weaknesses and your right, if that was his only weakness, he’d be a fine No. 1 pick. 

The question isn’t his talent. It is can he not be a turd. Is he going to work hard? Is he going to elevate his teammates? Is he going to do the things that help teams win? Is he going to be a guy who one day has his coach fired? Is he going to be a guy that wants to pick all of his teammates? These are questions I have and ones that I don’t think I’d like the answers to, therfor I wouldn’t take him No. 1. 

Don’t like his jump shot, so that helps the decision, but I don’t like the diva personality. I can live with a guy who needs some maintanence, but Simmons strikes me as a guy who will eventually be a legit distraction. 

 

 

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 This whole draft class is questionable.  But there is no way Simmons doesn’t go #1.

 

 

[Ahkasi ClayParticipant]

 This whole draft class is questionable.  But there is no way Simmons doesn’t go #1.

 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Is Simmons a "LeBron-Level" talent? I’m guessing a collge version of LeBron would’ve gotten LSU to the tournament and LeBron was a completely less into himself cat at 19. 

What I’m saying is, if you are getting LeBron-level diva, he better be getting LeBron-level results. 

Don’t see Simmons giving a team that. 

 

 

[negguaryParticipant]

That’s it!! That’s the best explanation to this whole Ben Simmons attitude and character convo!!!

if you are getting LeBron-level diva, he better be getting LeBron-level results.

[negguaryParticipant]

That’s it!! That’s the best explanation to this whole Ben Simmons attitude and character convo!!!

if you are getting LeBron-level diva, he better be getting LeBron-level results.

[Hype Machine]

 Lol you haters are outta control. 

 

[Hype Machine]

 Lol you haters are outta control. 

 

[BiggysmallsParticipant]

 Is Simmons a "LeBron-Level" talent? I’m guessing a collge version of LeBron would’ve gotten LSU to the tournament and LeBron was a completely less into himself cat at 19. 

What I’m saying is, if you are getting LeBron-level diva, he better be getting LeBron-level results. 

Don’t see Simmons giving a team that. 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 How is he overrated, he is a lock for a top 2 spot because no other players are anywhere near as good.  Duke’s Ingram is close, but not close enought p push him for 1.

Simmons is a 6-10 passer who gets past defenders with ease, he can defend but couldn’t go for too many blocks and steals as foul trouble was something LSU could not cover.  In the NBA he can play all positions, point guard to center depending on what his team needs and what theother team has on the floor, that is something he has over all draftees.

Like LeBron, and Magic and Kidd and others, he doesn’t have range on his shot when he enters the NBA.  The other 29 teams should be happy with that, he would be unstoppable.

If anything, 76ers fans should talk Simmons up, for his trade value.  The Lakers want him and Simmons wants them, it could be a huge draft trade and you may get Ingram for the 76ers and a bunch of other pieces too.

 

 

 

 

 

[ExumInfernoParticipant]

 How is he overrated, he is a lock for a top 2 spot because no other players are anywhere near as good.  Duke’s Ingram is close, but not close enought p push him for 1.

Simmons is a 6-10 passer who gets past defenders with ease, he can defend but couldn’t go for too many blocks and steals as foul trouble was something LSU could not cover.  In the NBA he can play all positions, point guard to center depending on what his team needs and what theother team has on the floor, that is something he has over all draftees.

Like LeBron, and Magic and Kidd and others, he doesn’t have range on his shot when he enters the NBA.  The other 29 teams should be happy with that, he would be unstoppable.

If anything, 76ers fans should talk Simmons up, for his trade value.  The Lakers want him and Simmons wants them, it could be a huge draft trade and you may get Ingram for the 76ers and a bunch of other pieces too.

 

 

 

 

 

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