Andrew Wiggins top 3 in 4 years in the NBA

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Posted on: Fri, 04/25/2014 - 10:09pm #55097

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Im going to go ahead and say that Andrew Wiggins will be a complete monster after few years in the NBA.
I think so, because his team is going to put him under pressure to score and he will have to work on his ISO game and on his ballhandling, something Bill Self didn’t push Wiggins to do.
Add up his overall abilities and you are speaking the Carmelos and Lebrons of the league.

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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 2:46am #893760

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In my opinion, it’s far more likely Jabari Parker will be the first All-Star out of this bunch. That’s not to say Wiggins won’t get there, but due to weaknesses in his game like ballhadling, lacking a consistent jumpshot and disappearing for stretches in games, I think it will take him more time to develop similar to DeMar Derozan. With Derozan, everyone knew he would develop, it was just a matter how how long it would take. When it comes to Wiggins, however, I believe he will be a very good player in 3-4 years, no doubt.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:13am #893810
  
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  I don’t get where this whole Wiggins can’t shoot thing comes from. He actually has very solid mechanics and it’s just about repetition at this point. His FG% – .448 3P% – .341 are only slightly behind Parker FG% – .473 and 3P% – .358. Wiggins has the better FT% .775 vs Parker – .748. They have the exact same TS% 0.56.
  SO where exactly does this notion come from that Jabari is the hands down better shooter/ scorer? The two more points a game? That could be a direct result of the extra 4% usage rate that Jabari has over Wiggins despite Jabari playing less minutes he took more shots.
  I’m not saying you are wrong but I look for them to average around the same amount in their rookie years. Partly because Jabari will have a hard time adjusting to NBA athleticism but also because I think Wiggins game is more tailer suited for the NBA. Only time will tell though.
  
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:23am #893827
    
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    Wiggins is the better shooter than Parker. Parker just got hyped as a better shooter because of pre-season expectations and his insanely hot first seven games. You take away Parker’s first seven games and he wasn’t even close to shooting as good as Wiggins. Not to mention Wiggins took more contested, off-the-dribble jumpers and Parker was more reliant on his teammates to assist him.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:35am #893835
      
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      Why the negs? Does anyone have an argument that Parker is the better shooter? I’d like to hear it, because the numbers certainly don’t bear it out. And it isn’t like Parker has way better mechanics than Wiggins. In fact, Wiggins’ form may be more promising in the long run.
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      - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:27am #893970
        
        Magic Jordan
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        I’m with you. They can’t argue with the stats so they neg.
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      - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:27am #893857
        
        Magic Jordan
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        I’m with you. They can’t argue with the stats so they neg.
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        Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 4:41pm #894015
        
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        I wish that negs on this site were limited to people who were being jerks. To me a neg is the equivalent of booing. Just because someone posts a definitive opinion that you disagree with doesn’t mean that they should be negged.
        That being said, I am a huge Wiggins fan and believe that he has a chance to be a monster and an even better player than Parker, but the current gap between those two players is pretty big and Parker is already a great player.
        The one thing that still scares me a little on Wiggins is that I am not yet convinced that he has the mindset of a superstar. I think the mental makeup question is legit and largely people are born with it or not. I’m not sure that wiggins doesn’t have it, but I KNOW that Parker does have it.
        The safest pick in this draft is Jabari Parker because he has a virtually one hundred percent chance of being a perennial allstar. I think his ceiling is better than Carmello, and his floor is not very low. The nba is all about findin a star player. Jabari is the sure fire star that these teams seek.
        Wiggins and Embiid have such amazing upside that they still deserve to be ranked ahead of Parker, but the gm that passes on Parker has to really have some guts.
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        Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 4:41pm #894129
        
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        I wish that negs on this site were limited to people who were being jerks. To me a neg is the equivalent of booing. Just because someone posts a definitive opinion that you disagree with doesn’t mean that they should be negged.
        That being said, I am a huge Wiggins fan and believe that he has a chance to be a monster and an even better player than Parker, but the current gap between those two players is pretty big and Parker is already a great player.
        The one thing that still scares me a little on Wiggins is that I am not yet convinced that he has the mindset of a superstar. I think the mental makeup question is legit and largely people are born with it or not. I’m not sure that wiggins doesn’t have it, but I KNOW that Parker does have it.
        The safest pick in this draft is Jabari Parker because he has a virtually one hundred percent chance of being a perennial allstar. I think his ceiling is better than Carmello, and his floor is not very low. The nba is all about findin a star player. Jabari is the sure fire star that these teams seek.
        Wiggins and Embiid have such amazing upside that they still deserve to be ranked ahead of Parker, but the gm that passes on Parker has to really have some guts.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:35am #893948
      
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      Why the negs? Does anyone have an argument that Parker is the better shooter? I’d like to hear it, because the numbers certainly don’t bear it out. And it isn’t like Parker has way better mechanics than Wiggins. In fact, Wiggins’ form may be more promising in the long run.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:23am #893940
    
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    Wiggins is the better shooter than Parker. Parker just got hyped as a better shooter because of pre-season expectations and his insanely hot first seven games. You take away Parker’s first seven games and he wasn’t even close to shooting as good as Wiggins. Not to mention Wiggins took more contested, off-the-dribble jumpers and Parker was more reliant on his teammates to assist him.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 9:01am #893952
    
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    I get your point and I’m a little higher on Wiggins, but I watched the guy all year long. He got so many points on easy put backs and athletic plays around the rim, that his Fg% does not represent the same thing Jabari’s Fg% shows. Jabari took more shots and was double or triple teamed. Other teams didn’t worry so much about Rodney Hood, but teams double and triple teamed Joel Embiid, which should make shooting easie r on Wiggins.
    i’d like to know what Wiggins shot on. 2’s outside of the paint and drives without dunking (he missed on SO many drives ). I always felt like he made 33% of those. Just dunk the ball man, go over, go through .
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 9:01am #893840
    
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    I get your point and I’m a little higher on Wiggins, but I watched the guy all year long. He got so many points on easy put backs and athletic plays around the rim, that his Fg% does not represent the same thing Jabari’s Fg% shows. Jabari took more shots and was double or triple teamed. Other teams didn’t worry so much about Rodney Hood, but teams double and triple teamed Joel Embiid, which should make shooting easie r on Wiggins.
    i’d like to know what Wiggins shot on. 2’s outside of the paint and drives without dunking (he missed on SO many drives ). I always felt like he made 33% of those. Just dunk the ball man, go over, go through .
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    - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:01am #893958
      
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      Yeah, Wiggins definitely needs to work on his half-court finishing. Him and Jabari were both comparable statistically as finishers, with Jabari being better early in the year and Wiggins being better later in the year. Don’t know who will be better in the NBA, as Jabari is better fundamentally, but Wiggins elevates more.
      I’m not sure Parker really dealt with more defensive pressure on the perimeter. Maybe in the paint, but I don’t think on the perimeter. Wiggins didn’t really have plays run for him, so he had to create everything on his own. Only 77% of Wiggins threes were assisted, only 21% of his 2-point jumpers were assisted, and only 36.5% of his shots at the rim were assisted. Those numbers for Parker are 92%, 46% and 54% respectively.
      Despite being the superior ball-handler, Parker didn’t create his own shot off-the-dribble nearly as much as Wiggins due to the fact that Parker played the 4/5 for a team that spaced the floor really well. Kansas’s post-oriented offense meant that the driving lanes available for Parker weren’t there for Wiggins. If Wiggins played PF for a team with the perimeter shooting of Duke, he likely would be receiving a lot more hype than he is right now, as his offensive numbers would likely outstrip Parker if he had as many plays run for him with so many shooters spacing the floor for him.
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    - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:01am #893845
      
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      Yeah, Wiggins definitely needs to work on his half-court finishing. Him and Jabari were both comparable statistically as finishers, with Jabari being better early in the year and Wiggins being better later in the year. Don’t know who will be better in the NBA, as Jabari is better fundamentally, but Wiggins elevates more.
      I’m not sure Parker really dealt with more defensive pressure on the perimeter. Maybe in the paint, but I don’t think on the perimeter. Wiggins didn’t really have plays run for him, so he had to create everything on his own. Only 77% of Wiggins threes were assisted, only 21% of his 2-point jumpers were assisted, and only 36.5% of his shots at the rim were assisted. Those numbers for Parker are 92%, 46% and 54% respectively.
      Despite being the superior ball-handler, Parker didn’t create his own shot off-the-dribble nearly as much as Wiggins due to the fact that Parker played the 4/5 for a team that spaced the floor really well. Kansas’s post-oriented offense meant that the driving lanes available for Parker weren’t there for Wiggins. If Wiggins played PF for a team with the perimeter shooting of Duke, he likely would be receiving a lot more hype than he is right now, as his offensive numbers would likely outstrip Parker if he had as many plays run for him with so many shooters spacing the floor for him.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:13am #893922
  
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  I don’t get where this whole Wiggins can’t shoot thing comes from. He actually has very solid mechanics and it’s just about repetition at this point. His FG% – .448 3P% – .341 are only slightly behind Parker FG% – .473 and 3P% – .358. Wiggins has the better FT% .775 vs Parker – .748. They have the exact same TS% 0.56.
  SO where exactly does this notion come from that Jabari is the hands down better shooter/ scorer? The two more points a game? That could be a direct result of the extra 4% usage rate that Jabari has over Wiggins despite Jabari playing less minutes he took more shots.
  I’m not saying you are wrong but I look for them to average around the same amount in their rookie years. Partly because Jabari will have a hard time adjusting to NBA athleticism but also because I think Wiggins game is more tailer suited for the NBA. Only time will tell though.
  
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 2:46am #893872

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In my opinion, it’s far more likely Jabari Parker will be the first All-Star out of this bunch. That’s not to say Wiggins won’t get there, but due to weaknesses in his game like ballhadling, lacking a consistent jumpshot and disappearing for stretches in games, I think it will take him more time to develop similar to DeMar Derozan. With Derozan, everyone knew he would develop, it was just a matter how how long it would take. When it comes to Wiggins, however, I believe he will be a very good player in 3-4 years, no doubt.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 5:19am #893788

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Wiggins has a lot of potential but to say he will be that good so soon seems an overstatement, KD, K-Love and Blake Griffin will all only be in their late 20’s then, LeBron will likely still be elite, other players like Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Paul George, DMC will be in the mix as could others fron this draft class.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 5:19am #893900

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Wiggins has a lot of potential but to say he will be that good so soon seems an overstatement, KD, K-Love and Blake Griffin will all only be in their late 20’s then, LeBron will likely still be elite, other players like Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, Paul George, DMC will be in the mix as could others fron this draft class.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 6:49am #893806

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I think he will be a one or 2 time all star after 4 years in the league. I have no idea if he will be a top 3 player ever in the league, he has the potential to be one. He will probably at best be considered a top 10 to 15 player in 4 years, which is still really good.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 6:49am #893918

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I think he will be a one or 2 time all star after 4 years in the league. I have no idea if he will be a top 3 player ever in the league, he has the potential to be one. He will probably at best be considered a top 10 to 15 player in 4 years, which is still really good.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:21am #893823

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No way!!! That means he will be better than either LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis is that time. Not to mention Blake Griffin.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 8:21am #893936

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No way!!! That means he will be better than either LeBron James, Kevin Durant or Anthony Davis is that time. Not to mention Blake Griffin.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 9:03am #893954

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This thread started out talking about how good Wiggins may be in 3-4 years and then focuesed on shooting. What sets Wiggins apart is his ability to be an immediate plus defender and easy fit on any team. I see him starting out with a game similar to Batum but less consistent then steady progression from there. 3-4 years I could see him as Paul George without the meltdown this second half of the season.
Intil Griffin, Love, Anthony, Parker can prove they are assets on both ends of the court it seems very plausable that Wiggins could be sitting just behind LeBron, Durant, Davis for best player in the league.

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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 9:03am #893841

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This thread started out talking about how good Wiggins may be in 3-4 years and then focuesed on shooting. What sets Wiggins apart is his ability to be an immediate plus defender and easy fit on any team. I see him starting out with a game similar to Batum but less consistent then steady progression from there. 3-4 years I could see him as Paul George without the meltdown this second half of the season.
Intil Griffin, Love, Anthony, Parker can prove they are assets on both ends of the court it seems very plausable that Wiggins could be sitting just behind LeBron, Durant, Davis for best player in the league.

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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:02am #893960

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I see a lot of Demar DeRozan in him already. He doesn’t have the tightest of handles, mostly straight line drives. He has a good pull up. He defends wings good enough. He is a freak athlete, although Wiggins is the far superior athlete with his longer strides and second and third jump being as high as his first. Wiggin’s body may be in the skinny side but he is a well conditioned, toned athlete with broad shoulders that suggest he can add as much as weight as he needs to.
So if he is comparable to Demar DeRozan right now with superior physical tools, I can only imagine him 3-4 years down the road.

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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:02am #893847

cha
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I see a lot of Demar DeRozan in him already. He doesn’t have the tightest of handles, mostly straight line drives. He has a good pull up. He defends wings good enough. He is a freak athlete, although Wiggins is the far superior athlete with his longer strides and second and third jump being as high as his first. Wiggin’s body may be in the skinny side but he is a well conditioned, toned athlete with broad shoulders that suggest he can add as much as weight as he needs to.
So if he is comparable to Demar DeRozan right now with superior physical tools, I can only imagine him 3-4 years down the road.

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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:30am #893974
  
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  which to me is a one or 2 time all star by the end of his fourth year in the league. He has all the tools to be a to 10 to 15 player by then. He has a solid jumper that isn’t broken so he should improve that. He had a lot of hype and I think he will come close to living up to it.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 10:30am #893861
  
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  which to me is a one or 2 time all star by the end of his fourth year in the league. He has all the tools to be a to 10 to 15 player by then. He has a solid jumper that isn’t broken so he should improve that. He had a lot of hype and I think he will come close to living up to it.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:12pm #894042
  
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  There’s no comparing Andrew Wiggins to Demar DeRozan. DeRozan is a MUCH better player than Andrew Wiggins is right now. That’s not to say he can’t be better than him when it’s all said and done.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:12pm #893929
  
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  There’s no comparing Andrew Wiggins to Demar DeRozan. DeRozan is a MUCH better player than Andrew Wiggins is right now. That’s not to say he can’t be better than him when it’s all said and done.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:14pm #894213
    
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    No one said otherwise, I’m saying that their games are similar. Athleticism, pull up, good finisher- albeit not great in traffic, loose handles, jumpshot is good and decent defenders.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:14pm #894097
    
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    No one said otherwise, I’m saying that their games are similar. Athleticism, pull up, good finisher- albeit not great in traffic, loose handles, jumpshot is good and decent defenders.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:26pm #894048

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How can he possibly be compared to Derozan thats laughable. Derozan isnt getting tip in buckets, he is 2 inches shorter and 4 inches less on the wingspan, he isnt a major rebounder and will not be expected to rack up blocks. And Derozans handle is above average for NBA wings he has tightened it up big time which allows him to create better perimeter shots.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:26pm #893935

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How can he possibly be compared to Derozan thats laughable. Derozan isnt getting tip in buckets, he is 2 inches shorter and 4 inches less on the wingspan, he isnt a major rebounder and will not be expected to rack up blocks. And Derozans handle is above average for NBA wings he has tightened it up big time which allows him to create better perimeter shots.
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:59pm #894057

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Wiggins a top 1-4 player in the nba in the next 4 years…………um no, not even close. I see the potential in the skills he has but his aggressiveness is slacking hard, and hes not a leader, too laid back, Wiggins mentality and lack of intrest in being the ‘man’ on a team reminds me of Harrison Barnes. Lebron, Durant, Westbrook,Chris Paul, Melo, Curry, Griffin and thats just to name a few of thoses dudes that will still be in the league going strong and I dont see Wiggins breaking to 10 of any list
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 1:59pm #893943

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Wiggins a top 1-4 player in the nba in the next 4 years…………um no, not even close. I see the potential in the skills he has but his aggressiveness is slacking hard, and hes not a leader, too laid back, Wiggins mentality and lack of intrest in being the ‘man’ on a team reminds me of Harrison Barnes. Lebron, Durant, Westbrook,Chris Paul, Melo, Curry, Griffin and thats just to name a few of thoses dudes that will still be in the league going strong and I dont see Wiggins breaking to 10 of any list
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:26pm #894219

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it seems like people dont learn anything from the games they watch lol.absolutely nothing wiggins did suggests he will be a top 3 player in just 4 years.wiggins was a role player on his kansas team.i mean damn.majority of his buckets come from fast breaks and quick put backs.those plays and his lil step back jumpshot are not gonna cut it in the big show.people on this site just have some ultra weird fascinationwith wiggins like they did with bazz muhammad
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Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:26pm #894104

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it seems like people dont learn anything from the games they watch lol.absolutely nothing wiggins did suggests he will be a top 3 player in just 4 years.wiggins was a role player on his kansas team.i mean damn.majority of his buckets come from fast breaks and quick put backs.those plays and his lil step back jumpshot are not gonna cut it in the big show.people on this site just have some ultra weird fascinationwith wiggins like they did with bazz muhammad
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:40pm #894225
  
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  Role player?? Did you watch any Kansas games this year? He was definitely not a role player. After Embiid was out with an injury he was carrying them. Also it’s not like this website is the most fascinated with Wiggins. Most NBA mock drafts around the web have Wiggins in the top three and more than a few have the "role player" from Kansas as the number 1 pick. If anything this website is one of the last ones who does not have Wiggins as the number one choice.
  I’m extremely high on Wiggins but no he will not be top 3 in 4 years. He will be very good but there will still be a few guys ahead of him in that short amount of time.
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- Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 7:40pm #894110
  
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  Role player?? Did you watch any Kansas games this year? He was definitely not a role player. After Embiid was out with an injury he was carrying them. Also it’s not like this website is the most fascinated with Wiggins. Most NBA mock drafts around the web have Wiggins in the top three and more than a few have the "role player" from Kansas as the number 1 pick. If anything this website is one of the last ones who does not have Wiggins as the number one choice.
  I’m extremely high on Wiggins but no he will not be top 3 in 4 years. He will be very good but there will still be a few guys ahead of him in that short amount of time.
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 11:07pm #894255
    
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    i watched plenty kansas games this year.in alot of those games he was just a civilian.naadir tharpe singlehandledly won about 3-4 games.there were way to many games were if it wasnt for commentary,you wouldnt even know he was playing.you couldnt possibly watch KU and think this is wiggins team.when you watched beasly at KST,or durant at TU,there was no question whose team it was
    same mock draft experts had muhammad and barnes as #1 picks.i believe this site even had poythress top 3 after his game against duke his frosh year lol.scouts get it wrong all the time.their opinion means nothing.scouts pegged MKG as a top 3 pick.you didnt need a crystal ball to see thats a horrible choice
    wiggins had a good frosh year,but he clearly has huge holes in his game and is not some all-star lock.
    
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  - Posted on: Sat, 04/26/2014 - 11:07pm #894140
    
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    i watched plenty kansas games this year.in alot of those games he was just a civilian.naadir tharpe singlehandledly won about 3-4 games.there were way to many games were if it wasnt for commentary,you wouldnt even know he was playing.you couldnt possibly watch KU and think this is wiggins team.when you watched beasly at KST,or durant at TU,there was no question whose team it was
    same mock draft experts had muhammad and barnes as #1 picks.i believe this site even had poythress top 3 after his game against duke his frosh year lol.scouts get it wrong all the time.their opinion means nothing.scouts pegged MKG as a top 3 pick.you didnt need a crystal ball to see thats a horrible choice
    wiggins had a good frosh year,but he clearly has huge holes in his game and is not some all-star lock.
    
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