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  • #50113
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    durantula621
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    With the rumors swirling that the Cavs are leaning toward Alex
    Len with the number 1 pick do you think this is a smart move? I think
    the Cavs should trade down to 3 or 4 and then pick Len if these rumors
    are in fact true.

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  • #799108
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    Chilbert arenas
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    Doesn’t seem like anyone is willing to trade up for the #1 pick. Cavs are in a tough spot since I don’t believe Len is worth the #1 pick and has bust potential. I rather have Zeller over Len but I also wouldn’t take Zeller #1. In this years draft anything is possible and I’m looking forward to all the surprises.

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  • #799174
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    Chilbert arenas
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    Doesn’t seem like anyone is willing to trade up for the #1 pick. Cavs are in a tough spot since I don’t believe Len is worth the #1 pick and has bust potential. I rather have Zeller over Len but I also wouldn’t take Zeller #1. In this years draft anything is possible and I’m looking forward to all the surprises.

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  • #799116
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    arambone
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    Any chance at all that Cody Zeller is athletic enough to defend some SF? If he is truly shooting great from 3 in workouts he could be a unique threat as a part time SF.

    Then draft a Snell or Rice Jr at 19 and/or 31.

    Locking up Varajao to a cheaper contract could save the risk of drafting Len and free them up to take Porter or whoever.

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  • #799182
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    arambone
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    Any chance at all that Cody Zeller is athletic enough to defend some SF? If he is truly shooting great from 3 in workouts he could be a unique threat as a part time SF.

    Then draft a Snell or Rice Jr at 19 and/or 31.

    Locking up Varajao to a cheaper contract could save the risk of drafting Len and free them up to take Porter or whoever.

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  • #799118
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    TomShoe
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    Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took Len #1 overall. It makes sense at least. At worst he’ll be a long-term replacement for Varejao.

    On the other hand, that shows how people want Noel, yet they don’t want him (Confused? So am I.). It’s already been shown that there are big holes in Noel’s game, the least of them that he lacks strength and is not an offensive threat. I don’t see him as the #1 pick, yet there are very few alternatives.

    I honestly think that the Cavs are going to make a move with this pick.

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  • #799185
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    TomShoe
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    Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took Len #1 overall. It makes sense at least. At worst he’ll be a long-term replacement for Varejao.

    On the other hand, that shows how people want Noel, yet they don’t want him (Confused? So am I.). It’s already been shown that there are big holes in Noel’s game, the least of them that he lacks strength and is not an offensive threat. I don’t see him as the #1 pick, yet there are very few alternatives.

    I honestly think that the Cavs are going to make a move with this pick.

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  • #799124
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    Malik-Universal
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    nearly everyone was sh*tting on zeller before the combine… now everyone seems to be in love with him again

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  • #799191
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    Malik-Universal
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    nearly everyone was sh*tting on zeller before the combine… now everyone seems to be in love with him again

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  • #799126
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I don’t see how Len is a better fit or better player than Otto Porter to be honest.

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  • #799193
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    Tongue-Out-Like-23
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    I don’t see how Len is a better fit or better player than Otto Porter to be honest.

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  • #799136
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    aztwulf
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    Yet somebody has to go number one. Cleveland is going to have a hard time finding a trade partner, as the player taken at number 2 (or 3, or 4, or 5) is arguably just as good, plus you don’t have to pay as much.

    For the record, if I was Cleveland I would take Otto Porter. You could make a case that he is as deserving of going first as anyone else, plus he is a better fit.

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  • #799203
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    aztwulf
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    Yet somebody has to go number one. Cleveland is going to have a hard time finding a trade partner, as the player taken at number 2 (or 3, or 4, or 5) is arguably just as good, plus you don’t have to pay as much.

    For the record, if I was Cleveland I would take Otto Porter. You could make a case that he is as deserving of going first as anyone else, plus he is a better fit.

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  • #799140
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    durantula621
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    porter might just be there best option. for some reason though I don’t think they’ll take him.

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  • #799207
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    durantula621
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    porter might just be there best option. for some reason though I don’t think they’ll take him.

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  • #799134
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    JunkYardDog
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    this draft is insane… absolutely NO pick is sure from the first to the last…

    Very interesting draft…

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    • #799138
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      juves4783
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      i’ve never seen a draft where 3 players (noel, len, bennett) that could easily go top 5 can’t even workout.

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    • #799205
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      juves4783
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      i’ve never seen a draft where 3 players (noel, len, bennett) that could easily go top 5 can’t even workout.

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  • #799201
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    JunkYardDog
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    this draft is insane… absolutely NO pick is sure from the first to the last…

    Very interesting draft…

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  • #799154
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    JCliff24
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    As a Cavs fan I prefer we go the Porter route. However over the past few years its safe to say the most likely pick usually isn’t the one Cleveland covets. In their defense Tristan improved by leaps and bounds over the 2nd half of last season, Dion averaged 14.6 as a rookie and showed flashes of being an incredible cutting 2 guard who can get hot from the outside.

    With that being said, I have a strange feeling Cleveland goes with Oladipo. Mike Brown loves defense. They say nobody outworks Oladipo in the gym. Have a 3 guard rotation and being able to play Oladipo a bit at the 3 for smaller line ups has me thinking they may take him 1 overall, and combine picks/buyout Dallas 13th to get the SF they need.

    Although their would still be no defensive presence in the paint, Varejao did average 14.1 and 14.4 last year playing Center. Make or break for Cleveland.

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  • #799221
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    JCliff24
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    As a Cavs fan I prefer we go the Porter route. However over the past few years its safe to say the most likely pick usually isn’t the one Cleveland covets. In their defense Tristan improved by leaps and bounds over the 2nd half of last season, Dion averaged 14.6 as a rookie and showed flashes of being an incredible cutting 2 guard who can get hot from the outside.

    With that being said, I have a strange feeling Cleveland goes with Oladipo. Mike Brown loves defense. They say nobody outworks Oladipo in the gym. Have a 3 guard rotation and being able to play Oladipo a bit at the 3 for smaller line ups has me thinking they may take him 1 overall, and combine picks/buyout Dallas 13th to get the SF they need.

    Although their would still be no defensive presence in the paint, Varejao did average 14.1 and 14.4 last year playing Center. Make or break for Cleveland.

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  • #799148
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    JunkYardDog
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    at the end of the day, they will surely draft the “consensus” better prospect for a number one pick (70% Noel 30% McLemore)… because any GM or scout wants to keep his job safe and won’t take a player like porter (or even len) who seems less apealing in the eyes of the “mainstream”.

    I don”t think cleveland (or even orlando) knows what to do… and when you don’t know you go the easiest way. Porter or McLemore should be their pick and would be perfect complementary pieces next to Irving but they won’t draft them (no true love for them, or logjam with Waiters for McLemore)…

    and there you remember how it was DUMB to draft waiters instead of Barnes… or Valanciunas instead of thompson.

    Irving
    McLemore
    Barnes
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    Valanciunas

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    • #799544
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      SkipHippo
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      If a GM wants to keep his job safe you wouldn’t take an injury prone malnourished one dimensional player whose ceiling is journeyman Marcus Camby. (A guy who played on six different teams and only lasted 2 years with his first team.) Picking Noels #1 is likely career suicide.

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    • #799478
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      SkipHippo
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      If a GM wants to keep his job safe you wouldn’t take an injury prone malnourished one dimensional player whose ceiling is journeyman Marcus Camby. (A guy who played on six different teams and only lasted 2 years with his first team.) Picking Noels #1 is likely career suicide.

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  • #799215
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    JunkYardDog
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    at the end of the day, they will surely draft the “consensus” better prospect for a number one pick (70% Noel 30% McLemore)… because any GM or scout wants to keep his job safe and won’t take a player like porter (or even len) who seems less apealing in the eyes of the “mainstream”.

    I don”t think cleveland (or even orlando) knows what to do… and when you don’t know you go the easiest way. Porter or McLemore should be their pick and would be perfect complementary pieces next to Irving but they won’t draft them (no true love for them, or logjam with Waiters for McLemore)…

    and there you remember how it was DUMB to draft waiters instead of Barnes… or Valanciunas instead of thompson.

    Irving
    McLemore
    Barnes
    ?
    Valanciunas

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  • #799163
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    Mikez
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    The Cavs, Browns and Indians aren’t helping me age very well, I’m 21 and I’m losing my mind.

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  • #799229
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    Mikez
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    The Cavs, Browns and Indians aren’t helping me age very well, I’m 21 and I’m losing my mind.

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  • #799243
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    JCliff24
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    Mikez, atleast we have the Buckeyes.

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  • #799177
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    JCliff24
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    Mikez, atleast we have the Buckeyes.

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  • #799253
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    ph90702

    I don’t see why the poster got negged. He’s just reporting a rumor and saying that Cleveland should trade down to take Len. Anyways, they probably regret not taking Jonas Valanciunas back in 2011, and now they have a chance to take a high upside big man.

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  • #799186
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    ph90702

    I don’t see why the poster got negged. He’s just reporting a rumor and saying that Cleveland should trade down to take Len. Anyways, they probably regret not taking Jonas Valanciunas back in 2011, and now they have a chance to take a high upside big man.

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  • #799257
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    slepchor
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    I like Len. I really do. In an average draft, he should be a lottery pick. But with the surgery and all, being the number 1 pick? I think it’s the closest we have been to a Kwame Brown 2.0 , and not because I think they resemble each other basketball-wise, but because there has never been a chance since Kwame tricked the whole universe that the 1st overall pick did not play like one, and didn’t live up to the expectations.

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  • #799190
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    slepchor
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    I like Len. I really do. In an average draft, he should be a lottery pick. But with the surgery and all, being the number 1 pick? I think it’s the closest we have been to a Kwame Brown 2.0 , and not because I think they resemble each other basketball-wise, but because there has never been a chance since Kwame tricked the whole universe that the 1st overall pick did not play like one, and didn’t live up to the expectations.

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  • #799259
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    kyrieTIME002
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    Jonas said he didn’t want to go to the cavs and said some trash about them. That is why he wasn’t drafted

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  • #799192
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    kyrieTIME002
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    Jonas said he didn’t want to go to the cavs and said some trash about them. That is why he wasn’t drafted

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  • #799263
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    Malik-Universal
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    I remember me and joewolf had len as a darkhorse for the number one pick earlier in the season… then I backed off that statement.. but it looks like its now a strong possibility

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  • #799196
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    Malik-Universal
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    I remember me and joewolf had len as a darkhorse for the number one pick earlier in the season… then I backed off that statement.. but it looks like its now a strong possibility

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    • #799269
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      Wahoo757
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      Speaking of people predicting number one picks, when will Aran do that article or whatever when people e-mailed him write-ups predicting who the number one pick will be and why? I have really been looking forward to that.

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    • #799202
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      Wahoo757
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      Speaking of people predicting number one picks, when will Aran do that article or whatever when people e-mailed him write-ups predicting who the number one pick will be and why? I have really been looking forward to that.

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    • #799549
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      JoeWolf1

      I know man, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I guess when push comes to shove 7 foot, mobile and some offensive skills go a long way in a draft with no clear cut franchise guy.

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    • #799613
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      JoeWolf1

      I know man, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I guess when push comes to shove 7 foot, mobile and some offensive skills go a long way in a draft with no clear cut franchise guy.

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  • #799232
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    FutureNBAGM
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    Just another reminder of how weak this draft is

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  • #799299
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    FutureNBAGM
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    Just another reminder of how weak this draft is

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  • #799268
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    qDizzle32
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    I can understand if the Cavs are concerned with Noel’s health but if they wanna pass on him, Otto Porter would be who they need the most not Alex Len. I personally like Len a lot but do they really believe Tyler Zeller is an off the bench guy opposed to a Starter? I would think Len’s gonna be better than Zeller but they have really been hurting at the SF ever since LeBron left and killed that franchise. I’m not sure how much longer the Cavs want Varejao to stay there but I also believe Zeller could at least be a starter for a team like Cleveland. I’ve thought McLemore is the best overall player in the draft but they already have Dion Waiters and McLemore’s a little too undersized for an NBA SF so he’s just a SG. If they don’t want to take Noel, Otto Porter would be a better pick than Len with Cleveland’s current situation.

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    • #799304
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      kazam
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      the cavs have the first pick in the draft, they are going to take who they think is the BPA not necessarily fill a need. If im the spurs in 96 do i pass on Duncan because we have Robinson? Absolutely not

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    • #799370
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      kazam
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      the cavs have the first pick in the draft, they are going to take who they think is the BPA not necessarily fill a need. If im the spurs in 96 do i pass on Duncan because we have Robinson? Absolutely not

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  • #799335
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    qDizzle32
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    I can understand if the Cavs are concerned with Noel’s health but if they wanna pass on him, Otto Porter would be who they need the most not Alex Len. I personally like Len a lot but do they really believe Tyler Zeller is an off the bench guy opposed to a Starter? I would think Len’s gonna be better than Zeller but they have really been hurting at the SF ever since LeBron left and killed that franchise. I’m not sure how much longer the Cavs want Varejao to stay there but I also believe Zeller could at least be a starter for a team like Cleveland. I’ve thought McLemore is the best overall player in the draft but they already have Dion Waiters and McLemore’s a little too undersized for an NBA SF so he’s just a SG. If they don’t want to take Noel, Otto Porter would be a better pick than Len with Cleveland’s current situation.

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  • #799346
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    fennisdembo
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    No one should be surprised if Len goes number 1.
    The Cavs reached for Thompson and Waiters and Len isn’t really a reach at all.
    7’1 very athletic ( was gymnast into his teens) and is the safest bet going into the draft.
    Too many people focus on ranking lists. just take a look at all the number 2 picks in the draft the last 15 yrs maybe 4 of them deserved to be pre ranked at the top looking back on it. It’s actually shocking how many 2 picks haven’t panned out.
    Guys like Len don’t grow on trees, but guys like McLemore, Burke, Porter, Nerlens do.
    Len adds great young depth in the frontcourt which enables Cavs management to flip Verejao for the very best pieces going forward.
    Future is bright in Cleveland

    *not a Maryland fan or Cavs fan

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  • #799412
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    fennisdembo
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    No one should be surprised if Len goes number 1.
    The Cavs reached for Thompson and Waiters and Len isn’t really a reach at all.
    7’1 very athletic ( was gymnast into his teens) and is the safest bet going into the draft.
    Too many people focus on ranking lists. just take a look at all the number 2 picks in the draft the last 15 yrs maybe 4 of them deserved to be pre ranked at the top looking back on it. It’s actually shocking how many 2 picks haven’t panned out.
    Guys like Len don’t grow on trees, but guys like McLemore, Burke, Porter, Nerlens do.
    Len adds great young depth in the frontcourt which enables Cavs management to flip Verejao for the very best pieces going forward.
    Future is bright in Cleveland

    *not a Maryland fan or Cavs fan

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  • #799563
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    johnadair

    I think the Cavs would love to trade down and still be able to get Len. Unfortunately, this isn’t a year where teams are dying to get the No.1 pick. There are no safe bets in this draft class whatsoever. I am editor at a site called The Sixer Sense at thesixersense.com. If you guys are interested, here is my take on the first round of this years draft.

    http://fansided.com/2013/06/18/nba-mock-draft-2013-cleveland-cavaliers-select-alex-len/

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  • #799627
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    johnadair

    I think the Cavs would love to trade down and still be able to get Len. Unfortunately, this isn’t a year where teams are dying to get the No.1 pick. There are no safe bets in this draft class whatsoever. I am editor at a site called The Sixer Sense at thesixersense.com. If you guys are interested, here is my take on the first round of this years draft.

    http://fansided.com/2013/06/18/nba-mock-draft-2013-cleveland-cavaliers-select-alex-len/

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  • #799602
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    Siggy
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    I’d be fine with this for the Cavs. Len does have upside on both ends of the floor. He’s not the most athletic C, but he is fluid. More fluid than, say, Meyers Leonard. So maybe he won’t struggle as much defensively as Meyers did this past yr.
    I think he’d be a better pick than Noel because, quite frankly, I’m not impressed by Noel’s basketball IQ, frame or skill level. I think he got the benefit of a shorter evaluating period.

    If their choices were b/t Len and Porter, I’d say Len “looks” more like a #1 pick because of the size and upside.

    I would be worried about a 7 ft big man having a lower body stress fracture this early though.

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  • #799666
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    Siggy
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    I’d be fine with this for the Cavs. Len does have upside on both ends of the floor. He’s not the most athletic C, but he is fluid. More fluid than, say, Meyers Leonard. So maybe he won’t struggle as much defensively as Meyers did this past yr.
    I think he’d be a better pick than Noel because, quite frankly, I’m not impressed by Noel’s basketball IQ, frame or skill level. I think he got the benefit of a shorter evaluating period.

    If their choices were b/t Len and Porter, I’d say Len “looks” more like a #1 pick because of the size and upside.

    I would be worried about a 7 ft big man having a lower body stress fracture this early though.

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  • #799763
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    Malik-Universal
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    just to go back to the cody zeller draft stock for a second… y is everyone on his nuts? he impressed at the combine.. but so did kendall marshall who wasn’t known for being overly athletic and having slow feet at UNC… it still doesn’t take away from the fact that zeller has t-rex arms… cant finish inside vs length… showed signs of being soft… and barely improved from year 1 to year 2… I wouldn’t touch him in the top 10 personally

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    • #799769
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      Siggy
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      Not on his nuts but he has legitimate face up, possible stretch 4 potential.
      He can really shoot the ball, has good ball skills and good quickness for a big. If you just watched him in his role with Indiana you wouldn’t know he could shoot the ball as well as he does since he was asked to just be an interior post player, which he won’t be at the next level. He has the potential to be a face up, blow by, PnR and PnPop player who can play in space. NBA teams need those type of players to open up the paint for driving lanes or to complement post up bigs.

      I would take him before Anthony Bennett because he actually plays hard, plays smart and has a good floor game.

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    • #799835
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      Siggy
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      Not on his nuts but he has legitimate face up, possible stretch 4 potential.
      He can really shoot the ball, has good ball skills and good quickness for a big. If you just watched him in his role with Indiana you wouldn’t know he could shoot the ball as well as he does since he was asked to just be an interior post player, which he won’t be at the next level. He has the potential to be a face up, blow by, PnR and PnPop player who can play in space. NBA teams need those type of players to open up the paint for driving lanes or to complement post up bigs.

      I would take him before Anthony Bennett because he actually plays hard, plays smart and has a good floor game.

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  • #799829
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    Malik-Universal
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    just to go back to the cody zeller draft stock for a second… y is everyone on his nuts? he impressed at the combine.. but so did kendall marshall who wasn’t known for being overly athletic and having slow feet at UNC… it still doesn’t take away from the fact that zeller has t-rex arms… cant finish inside vs length… showed signs of being soft… and barely improved from year 1 to year 2… I wouldn’t touch him in the top 10 personally

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